Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Digest Number 4035
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/22/2003 2:02:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
because I just can't get caught up reading it and my local lists are all very
active at this time too! But I just couldn't keep me ole mouth shut, lol. A
person's beliefs should be treated with great respect regardless of where they
came from or how they come up with them (the beliefs, that is). I believe
that disrespecting a persons beliefs is disrespecting the person. You don't have
to agree with them, You can question them, You can express that they are not
yours and that you don't like them or whatever. But in the end all we have are
our beliefs. I have not always been on the right side of my on views on
respecting someone's beliefs, I admit I have been bad occasionally. In the area that
I live my beliefs are considered by the majority as bad, wrong, sins, and if
my neighbors choice to talk to me they might decide to have me publicly
stoned, but they should be able to believe what ever they want.
Sandra, I too live with Trek-fans and they think I am
weird...........................
Dena, SC going back in to my closet
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[email protected] writes:
> Should literature serve as someone's strongly held beliefs?Coming out of my closet for a few minutes. I haven't posted to this list yet
> Should we treat the beliefs of a Trek-fan (trekker/trekkie/trekoid) who has
> read the Bible in Klingon and drinks blood and prune juice as reverently as
> we
> treat those of a hard-working, sincerely believing Catholic nun?
>
> Sandra
>
because I just can't get caught up reading it and my local lists are all very
active at this time too! But I just couldn't keep me ole mouth shut, lol. A
person's beliefs should be treated with great respect regardless of where they
came from or how they come up with them (the beliefs, that is). I believe
that disrespecting a persons beliefs is disrespecting the person. You don't have
to agree with them, You can question them, You can express that they are not
yours and that you don't like them or whatever. But in the end all we have are
our beliefs. I have not always been on the right side of my on views on
respecting someone's beliefs, I admit I have been bad occasionally. In the area that
I live my beliefs are considered by the majority as bad, wrong, sins, and if
my neighbors choice to talk to me they might decide to have me publicly
stoned, but they should be able to believe what ever they want.
Sandra, I too live with Trek-fans and they think I am
weird...........................
Dena, SC going back in to my closet
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Fetteroll
on 9/22/03 7:52 PM, summermoonshine@... at
summermoonshine@... wrote:
sex, that's a belief that should be treated with as much respect as "be
kind"?
respectfully as those who don't?
because of their beliefs -- are harmful to children or harmful to society in
general, people *should* speak up.
Yes, beliefs are personal. And people have the right to believe whatever
they want. But beliefs affect people's choices, and those choices affect
others.
I have a right to believe that red haired people are incarnations of the
devil. The belief by itself isn't harmful. But beliefs are used to filter
actions through. And that belief would make it a good choice to be hateful
to red haired people and to beat my red haired child.
Some people see questioning someone's beliefs and pointing out their flaws
in them as disprespectful. Those people aren't going to feel very
comfortable here.
The purpose of the list isn't to disrespect people or even to disrespect
ideas. That would be counter to the purpose of the list, I think, since I'm
picturing it involving stamping something harmful/stupid/not acceptable
without exaining why it's harmful/stupid/not acceptable.
The purpose is to examine ideas and beliefs and practices and see how those
help or prevent people from getting to unschooling and getting to more
joyful lives.
Joyce
summermoonshine@... wrote:
> ASo if my belief system led me to believe adults should introduce children to
> person's beliefs should be treated with great respect regardless of where they
> came from or how they come up with them (the beliefs, that is).
sex, that's a belief that should be treated with as much respect as "be
kind"?
> I believeSo an adult who believes underage sex is a good thing should be treated as
> that disrespecting a persons beliefs is disrespecting the person.
respectfully as those who don't?
> You don't haveAnd I believe that if someone's beliefs -- and the actions they justify
> to agree with them, You can question them, You can express that they are not
> yours and that you don't like them or whatever. But in the end all we have are
> our beliefs.
because of their beliefs -- are harmful to children or harmful to society in
general, people *should* speak up.
Yes, beliefs are personal. And people have the right to believe whatever
they want. But beliefs affect people's choices, and those choices affect
others.
I have a right to believe that red haired people are incarnations of the
devil. The belief by itself isn't harmful. But beliefs are used to filter
actions through. And that belief would make it a good choice to be hateful
to red haired people and to beat my red haired child.
Some people see questioning someone's beliefs and pointing out their flaws
in them as disprespectful. Those people aren't going to feel very
comfortable here.
The purpose of the list isn't to disrespect people or even to disrespect
ideas. That would be counter to the purpose of the list, I think, since I'm
picturing it involving stamping something harmful/stupid/not acceptable
without exaining why it's harmful/stupid/not acceptable.
The purpose is to examine ideas and beliefs and practices and see how those
help or prevent people from getting to unschooling and getting to more
joyful lives.
Joyce
Fetteroll
on 9/22/03 7:52 PM, summermoonshine@... at
summermoonshine@... wrote:
Out in life, people should feel free to believe whatever they believe that
isn't harming others. I won't go around to the Catholics and tell them
they're wrong because their beliefs won't lead people to the goal that I
think it's important to have. They have their goals. Hopefully goals they've
examined. And they've chosen the belief system that will help them get
there.
But here on this list, people are asking by signing onto the list to be
helped towards the goal of unschooling. And any beliefs that get in the way
of that goal that are brought to the list will be examined and beliefs that
we've found helpful will be brought up so people can help themselves get
where they're saying they'd like to go.
Joyce
summermoonshine@... wrote:
> AMaybe here's a shorter way of saying what I was trying to say! ;-)
> person's beliefs should be treated with great respect regardless of where
> they
> came from or how they come up with them (the beliefs, that is).
Out in life, people should feel free to believe whatever they believe that
isn't harming others. I won't go around to the Catholics and tell them
they're wrong because their beliefs won't lead people to the goal that I
think it's important to have. They have their goals. Hopefully goals they've
examined. And they've chosen the belief system that will help them get
there.
But here on this list, people are asking by signing onto the list to be
helped towards the goal of unschooling. And any beliefs that get in the way
of that goal that are brought to the list will be examined and beliefs that
we've found helpful will be brought up so people can help themselves get
where they're saying they'd like to go.
Joyce
[email protected]
<<I have a right to believe that red haired people are incarnations of the
devil.>>
I always knew there was something wrong with me
Kim
Dying my hair black
devil.>>
I always knew there was something wrong with me
Kim
Dying my hair black
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/23/03 6:30:15 AM, fetteroll@... writes:
<< So if my belief system led me to believe adults should introduce children
to
sex, that's a belief that should be treated with as much respect as "be
kind"? >>
Before anyone commits yes or no to that, there ARE people who believe this,
or the profess to believe it.
Should they be as welcome on this list as anyone else?
People who believe that to the point that they make life's decisions based on
it really SHOULD homeschool, for their own legal and social advantage.
Is that as legitimate a reason to homeschool as any?
<<> I believe
respectfully as those who don't?>>
I have less respect for a person who says a rape victim chose that fate than
I do for a person who believes in the possibility or liklihood that a rape
victim was innocent, and had not agreed in advance to go through that, so we
didn't need to feel sympathy for her.
Anyone who claims to respect all people equally hasn't thought much about
what "respect" means.
<<But in the end all we have are our beliefs.>>
I have a mini-van.
They didn't ask me what my beliefs were when we bought it.
If you need a ride, the beliefs of the people standing there won't give you a
ride as well as that mini-van. Unless astral projection will do. Or if you
REALLY believe in Star Trek and you can request to be beamed up.
Sandra
<< So if my belief system led me to believe adults should introduce children
to
sex, that's a belief that should be treated with as much respect as "be
kind"? >>
Before anyone commits yes or no to that, there ARE people who believe this,
or the profess to believe it.
Should they be as welcome on this list as anyone else?
People who believe that to the point that they make life's decisions based on
it really SHOULD homeschool, for their own legal and social advantage.
Is that as legitimate a reason to homeschool as any?
<<> I believe
> that disrespecting a persons beliefs is disrespecting the person.<<So an adult who believes underage sex is a good thing should be treated as
respectfully as those who don't?>>
I have less respect for a person who says a rape victim chose that fate than
I do for a person who believes in the possibility or liklihood that a rape
victim was innocent, and had not agreed in advance to go through that, so we
didn't need to feel sympathy for her.
Anyone who claims to respect all people equally hasn't thought much about
what "respect" means.
<<But in the end all we have are our beliefs.>>
I have a mini-van.
They didn't ask me what my beliefs were when we bought it.
If you need a ride, the beliefs of the people standing there won't give you a
ride as well as that mini-van. Unless astral projection will do. Or if you
REALLY believe in Star Trek and you can request to be beamed up.
Sandra