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Thanks Amy,
I know I seem to be going way too fast just that I was so completely thrown
off guard by the whole situation. My mom Never explained anything to us so I
think my sisters and I tend to go overboard on certain subjects. Especially
the kind "you dont talk about, its just not nice.) Glad I grew up in the 80s
and the info wasnt hard to come by even if I would have rathered hear it
from mom. Anyway I think your right that she dosnt need a Dr. right now, and
Im so relieved to hear you say that because getting her into the Dr. office
of the ped. she has had since she was 2 is a process. She really hates it.
She wont even pee in the cup, we have to bring it home. I also do not think
it is an injury as she tends to be somewhat of a hypercondriac(sp) (thats
just my way of saying she loves to make sure I tend to all her boo bos.) She
definately would have said something to me. And as for utis and fisures Im
not sure so I think well just keep and eye on it and see if we need to see
the DR.
Thanks for keeping me grounded.
I really appreciate it.
Tamie

Lynda

You can buy organic beef, milk and dairy products. These do not have
things such as BGH in them. Foster Farms and Rocky Range Chickens are
committed to not using hormones or anti-bioltics on their birds.

Lynda

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> From: Lisa Bugg <LisaBugg@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 12:35 PM
>
> ? For an 8
> > yo? I think not.
> > Anybody have answers or ideas as to handle this situation?
> >
>
> Yes, wait......take deep breath and relax and just wait.
>
> There are so many hormones in our food, chicken and milk especially, she
> could have had a day where she ate a great deal of synthetic hormone and
had
> a hormone shift of her own that brought on the spotting. She might not
spot
> again for a year or more. 9-10 is not too young for the first signs of
> puberty. At early 10 my first daughter put on a layer of fat all along
her
> torso. This is normal. They use it to in the up and coming hormone
> production and to make breast and hips out of. <G> I would take processed
> chicken and as much dairy as I could out of her diet.
>
> You have done the important part. You have informed her, provided
resources.
> She knows she can com to you when the idea has had time to sink in and
for
> other body signs to be noticed. Now you have to do the hard part and let
> things unfold at their own pace.
>
> LisaKK
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Lynda,
You said that so well. I was going to say I would not recommend that a
child of 8 1/2 use tampons when they are not good for anyone! I was also
going to say that some studies show that a diet of dairy products and meats
can lead to early puberty. This is due to all of the hormones that are
injected into the cows. Jackie

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BTW< if someone really wants to use them, there are tampons made from
organic cotton at the hf store. Of course, you still have to be aware of
toxic shock symptoms.

K WORTHEN

I'm just curios to know... how many of the people that are against the use
of tampons use or have used disposable diapers on their children? It is a
fact that the chemical in the gel used to make disp. diapers so absorbant is
the same chemical that was removed from tampons in 1988 because it was
linked to TSS. And we have this pressing against our children's reproductive
oragans 24/7? I don't want anyone to think this is a personal slam. It's
not. I use them for my kids from time to time. I'm just saying that perhaps
we should rethink our stance from time to time. FYI this gel is also the
same one that is used to coat Tylenol and other gel caps. Is it really
objective to make blanket statements about the use of tampons when we all
can't be so noble to say we've never used any of these other products. I
hate conflict and don't want anyone to think I'm looking for a fight. I just
think we all need to examine oue daily practices a liitle closer.
amy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis


> Well, I started at 9, back in the dark ages (50's) as did several other
> members of my family. So, some
> pre-spotting prior to that age doesn't sound too out there.
>
> Now, as to the tampons. That whole business about it being o.k. is simply
> manufacturers trying to get more customers. When I went through the
> classes back in the dark ages, we were told they were definately not o.k.
> for anyone who wasn't sexually active and were really not designed for
> anyone who hadn't had a child yet.
>
> We now know that they contain Dioxin and this push for younger and younger
> girls to use tampons would seem to correlate with the increase in various
> cancers and the younger and younger age that women are getting cancer
> (ovarian, cervical, uterine and breast).
>
> Now, this is really weird because this seems to be a topic on several
lists
> right now so I have my whole Dioxin speel down. Dioxin is in the top 10
of
> known carcenogens. It is the "evil" from Love Canal, etc. It is fat
> soluable, not water soluable which means it resides in fatty tissues and
is
> found in humans, mammals, birds and fish and seeks them out, so to speak.
> Dioxin is the by-product of the bleaching process that cotton goes through
> and is residual. Rayon is also another problem as are the chemicals that
> are put in tampons. There are unbleached tampons available that are
> chemical free.
>
> Lynda, who will stop ranting now %-}
>
> ----------
> > From: Tamilooch@...
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> > Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 12:06 PM
> >
> > Hello,
> > This board has been quiet for a while. But I hope all you supportive
moms
> are
> > somewhere near your computers. I am having a Mother Moment I think and
> need
> > some real good advice soon.
> > okay here is the situation.
> > My dd is 81/2.
> > Over the weekend while she was at my girlfriends house, I went on a
> cleaning
> > spree. In the process I found a pair of undies that I just bought for
her
>
> > last weekend, rolled in a ball under her bed. There was signs of
> "spotting"
> > on them .
> > Okay I know this is normal but 81/2? Isnt that a bit young , I was 11
> myself
> > my sisters were both 14, my bestfriend was almost 16. Although I believe
> my
> > husbands sisters were younger than that?
> > Anyway I asked her about it and she seemed to not know what I was
talking
>
> > about. I told her it was okay to tell me , even if it was a little
> > embarrassing but she insisted so I didnt push the issue. I called my
> > bestfriend who has a 12yod that went through this over the summer. Her
10
> yod
> > just had a class on this in school she had some booklets tha she gave me
> to
> > bring home to my dd. which I did and she read them on her own , I left
> them
> > out for her. when I asked her about it , she said "Mom that is sick!" I
> > tried to make light of it and giggled and said I know but do you have
any
>
> > questions? She said no and I thought maybe I should drop the subject for
> now
> > .What do you guys think? I know shes a bit young to be able to grasp
this
>
> > concept , so I dont want to freak her out, but at the same time I want
to
>
> > make sure she knows what shes doing too. She absolutely hates to go to
> the
> > Drs. and I think she is too young for that kind of Dr. Does anyone
agree?
> The
> > booklet also said that its okay to use Tampons for swimming, ?????? For
> an 8
> > yo? I think not.
> > Anybody have answers or ideas as to handle this situation?
> >
> >
> > HELP!!
> > Not ready Mom
> > Tamie
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Tamie, I just read this post and need to back up some but thought from the
sounds of this one, you could use a book title that has been wonderful for
my daughter its from the American Girl Library collection it is called the
care and keeping of you the body book for girls. it covers washing, eating
healthy and periods including how to use pads and tampons along with pics
to help, it in my opinion is not to graphic, but very very helpful, when my
daughter started she had 0 questions for me and knew just what products she
wanted and how to use them properly she has been very comfortable with it
from day one and I think this book played a major part in it she reads the
book over and over I think just for self assurance.
good luck, now I will go back and read your original post!
Tanya


>Tamie,
> Wow... at 8 1/2, that does seem early, but I'm not sure it seems
>too early nowadays. I read somewhere that girls are starting periods at an
>earlier age than when their mothers did, and that we, as daughters, may
have
>started a little earlier than our mothers. My mom is in her late 50's, and
>started at about 16. I am in my mid 30's and started at 13. You said you
>started I believe at 11, so maybe at almost 9, your daughter's system has
>"kicked in". She does seem uneasy talking about it, so giving her some
books
>is probably a good idea, however, I would suggest these books were not too
>graphic and intended for older readers-- maturing physically does not
always
>equal maturing mentally. I was uneasy talking openly about it with my mom,
>too, so looking at books helped me understand in a way that was comfortable
>to me. She, too, was always there for me; she gave me the birds and bees
>talk, and then gave my bro and me a 4pc set of books on how the body
>changes--both boys and girls. My bro dove right into them... I would look
at
>them by myself in my room...he would ask a thousand questions... I don't
>remember asking any! I'm not really sure how old we were, but I know we
were
>in the middle-upper elem grades. I think you are thinking this out, and
>handling it just fine! There are probably lots of moms who feel they are
>not exactly ready for their daughter's puberty, especially when it seems to
>come on early... trust yourself to handle it in a comfortable way for your
>daughter and yourself, I know you will do fine!
>
> Karen
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In a message dated 04/12/2000 11:35:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:

<<
For those that don't have a store that carries the organic tampons and
pads, you can order them from Harmony. Their website is www.gaiam.com
>>
If you have a Trader Joes in your area (I am in So. CA)you can find organic
tampons for half the price. I get a package of 40 for 3.99.

Kathy

Susan and Theodore

<<I'm just curious to know... how many of the people that are against the use
of tampons use or have used disposable diapers on their children? It is a
fact that the chemical in the gel used to make disp. diapers so absorbant is
the same chemical that was removed from tampons in 1988 because it was
linked to TSS. And we have this pressing against our children's reproductive
oragans 24/7? I don't want anyone to think this is a personal slam. It's
not. I use them for my kids from time to time. I'm just saying that perhaps
we should rethink our stance from time to time.>>
Cutty snippety <<<<you said

Geez I did not know that about Tylenol
WOW well if we are NOT supporting them (users of toxic chemicals)
vaginally, but we are through diaper use (although I use cloth--with lots
of stains ((no bleach here)) then we are holding some stance?!
I think it is like that man says (whoever he may be)
That you do not have to be a VEGETARIAN
Just try not to eat so much meat
Like try to walk and not automobile so much
Like try not to wrap your veggies in two bags then a bag at the check out
((I HATE THAT))
and these are people buying organic fruits and veges
ALWAYS makes me wonder
WHY
POD