Julie Solich

Mark came home with Two Towers on DVD a couple of days ago. We saw it at the
cinema and I was really disappointed with it. I was hoping I would enjoy it
more this time and I did. Phew! I'm keyed up and ready for the next one now.
Only 4 months to go!

Mark downloaded a desktop from the LOTR site so now I have the coolest pic
of Viggo on my screen. What a way to wake up!

Has anyone read LOTR to their kids? We have just finished The Hobbit and the
boys loved it but I think that LOTR will be too much for them. There is so
much to the book, I don't want to spoil it by reading it too early.

Julie






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> Has anyone read LOTR to their kids? We have just finished The Hobbit and
the
> boys loved it but I think that LOTR will be too much for them. There is so
> much to the book, I don't want to spoil it by reading it too early.

Maybe try a chapter or two to see if they like it and can follow the story.
I read it to each of my boys when they were around seven. And the cool
thing is, they could read it later and not remember how it turned out.
(Actually, Lars remembered very little of it at all, so the movies seem new
to him.
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Kelli Traaseth

----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Solich

**We saw it at the
cinema and I was really disappointed with it.**


Just curious,,why were you first disappointed with it?

We saw it and loved it, but I had never read it either. So maybe that's the difference.

I'm reading it now, my first time ever! Wow! Its amazing, I had read The Hobbit when I was in elementary school but never LOTR.


My kids love the long Gollum scene where his personalities are split and he's discussing how the Hobbitses are his friends and he's a murrrdderrrr, pretty dark, but they like it. For those of you who went to the conference and saw Joyce's dd do the scene from The Emporer's New Groove, (which was awesome, by the way!) That's what my dd (8) likes to do with that Gollum scene. :) So fun to watch, we didn't even think of doing something like that for a talent show! Great thinking Cat!

For reading to your kids, couldn't you just make sure that you just read the first half or so? Or into Two Towers? I'm not sure how much they overlap but I would think they would really enjoy it. I wish my kids would let me read it to them, but they are into other things right now. So I read to myself! :)

Kelli~



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on 9/1/03 10:20 PM, Julie Solich at mjsolich@... wrote:

> There is so
> much to the book, I don't want to spoil it by reading it too early.

They'll get different things out of it at different ages. Just because you
read it to them now doesn't mean they'll never read it again. Some people
read it every year :-)

Often the first time through a book there's just enough processing power to
pick up the story. Subsequence readings are for finding deeper things.

Joyce

Julie Solich

>>Just curious,,why were you first disappointed with it?We saw it and
loved it, but I had never read it either. So maybe that's the
difference.>>

It's my favourite book. I was given the book for my 18th birthday and read
it once a year. That's about 15 readings. There are lots of differences
between the book and the 2nd movie and I couldn't see how they were most of
them were necessary. I bugged Mark in the cinema as I spent the whole movie
whispering indignantly, "that's not right! that doesn't happen in the book!"
<g> It is an awesome movie (the battle at Helm's Deep!!) and if I hadn't
read the book a few weeks before I saw the film, the differences wouldn't
have been so glaring.

> >> For reading to your kids, couldn't you just make sure that you just
read the first half or so? Or into Two Towers? I'm not sure how much they
overlap but I would think they would really enjoy it. I wish my kids would
let me read it to them, but they are into other things right now. So I
read to myself! :)>>


My kids haven't seen the movies yet. They watched the making of The
Fellowsip of the Ring and though they enjoyed it they felt that the movie
would scare them. Jess is extremely sensitive to music in movies and games
so that put him off the movie. One of the things I loved about the films was
the sound . It's HUGE!
I guess I haven't wanted to read the book until they could take it all in
but they might really like it and it is so huge you don't take everything
in first time. It's not like I would be spoiling it for them later on. I'll
wait till we have read Order of the Phoenix and then suggest it.

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And the cool thing is, they could read it later and not remember how it
turned out.
Tia

Great. I'll definitely try a couple of chapters.

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>> They'll get different things out of it at different ages. Just because
you read it to them now doesn't mean they'll never read it again. Some
people read it every year :-)>>

That's me!

My thinking on this was really schoolish wasn't it? Waiting until they are
the correct age to read it to them. Becoming teacher again. Oh well, at
least I saw it. <g>

>> Often the first time through a book there's just enough processing power
to
> pick up the story. Subsequence readings are for finding deeper things.
> Joyce>>


Of course, they'll take what they can and then find more if they choose to
read it when they are older.

Thanks for being so patient. I feel like a bit of a slow learner sometimes.

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**It's my favourite book. I was given the book for my 18th birthday and read
it once a year. That's about 15 readings. There are lots of differences
between the book and the 2nd movie and I couldn't see how they were most of
them were necessary. **

Ahhh, totally understand. I'm just now seeing those things since its my first reading.

My dilemma now is if I should read Return of the King before I see the last movie?? Hmmmm.....


Kelli~



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In a message dated 9/1/03 8:11:00 PM, mjsolich@... writes:

<< I was hoping I would enjoy it

more this time and I did. >>

Me too, and I'm really enjoying the side-video stuff, making-of, previews,
etc.

The first time I was so stunned by the way they portrayed Faramir that I
couldn't even SEE the rest of the movie. I was upset for days. Weeks. (My
husband would say months. <g>) Because I see the books from an interpersonal
standpoint rather than as an epic adventure/battle/manly/special effects story,
Faramir NEEDS to be really open and noble.

I'm hoping they only left the very worst part of their Faramir in the
original and he'll be redeemed some by added scenes and the third installment.

The bit about Aragorn falling over a cliff was weird the first time too,
since it didn't happen in the book, but it was a device for the romantic element
and so I forgive him. It also allows them to show the responses of Gimli and
Legolas to seeing Aragorn alive. Would they have carried on without him? The
movie says "yes."

Lots of the book-provided background and motivation can't be shown visually,
so I know they need to take some liberties to get those relationships in
there, but I'm looking forward to figuring out why they had to chop the integrity
off of Faramir.

I read that Peter Jackson and the writers had as their guiding principle to
make the ring the main character and focus. That's how they decided there
couldn't be a person who didn't want it.

Sandra

Sandra

Heidi

Hi Julie

We rented it on VHS and the kids watched it. I couldn't sit still for
it on our tiny, losing-its-contrast TV, but did see it twice in the
theater. I also was disappointed, because of their treatment of
Treebeard. The first time I read LOTR, Treebeard was such a wonderful
treat, encountering him with Pippin and Merry and enjoying his depth,
his ancient wisdom...the movie made him into this slow doofus with no
spine.

However, THAT was the only thing less than wonderful about the movie.
I loved the Gollum scenes (in fact, thank you, Peter Jackson, for
giving me an image of Gollum for when I read LOTR. Same with the
orcs. I never could picture them) and of course, Viggo is worth
watching! *slurp* I wish men dressed that way in these days. VERY
sexy: knee length over tunic, boots, sword belt...mmmm...LOL

I've never read the trilogy to my kids, but they have checked out the
book on tape version of it, from the BBC...a VERY decent rendition!
And Abbie has read it a few times, starting w/the Hobbit at 7 and
LOTR at 10. Middle Earth has been her habitat of choice for many
years.

Blessings, HeidiC

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> Mark came home with Two Towers on DVD a couple of days ago. We saw
it at the
> cinema and I was really disappointed with it. I was hoping I would
enjoy it
> more this time and I did. Phew! I'm keyed up and ready for the next
one now.
> Only 4 months to go!
>
> Mark downloaded a desktop from the LOTR site so now I have the
coolest pic
> of Viggo on my screen. What a way to wake up!
>
> Has anyone read LOTR to their kids? We have just finished The
Hobbit and the
> boys loved it but I think that LOTR will be too much for them.
There is so
> much to the book, I don't want to spoil it by reading it too early.
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> The first time I was so stunned by the way they portrayed Faramir that I
> couldn't even SEE the rest of the movie. I was upset for days. Weeks.
(My
> husband would say months. <g>) Because I see the books from an
interpersonal
> standpoint rather than as an epic adventure/battle/manly/special effects
story,
> Faramir NEEDS to be really open and noble.
>
> Sandra

WOW! That is exactly how I feel. I was going to say my favourite thing about
LOTR is the wonderful relationships that occur throughout the story and that
Frodo found Faramir to be more like Aragorn, kingly and TRUE, than like
Boromir but I didn't want to rant.<g> As I tend to when I think about it.
I so agree with you!!!

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I also was disappointed, because of their treatment of
Treebeard. The first time I read LOTR, Treebeard was such a wonderful
treat, encountering him with Pippin and Merry and enjoying his depth, his
ancient wisdom...the movie made him into this slow doofus with no spine.
Blessings, HeidiC

Yeah, I was disappointed with that too. I'm thinking it was an issue of
time. Portraying him as the book did could have added half and hour to the
film easily. It makes you realize the depth of the book when three very long
movies can't bring it all to life.

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> Ahhh, totally understand. I'm just now seeing those things since its my
first reading.
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> My dilemma now is if I should read Return of the King before I see the
last movie?? Hmmmm.....
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I wouldn't. Then again, once I've started a book I love, I couldn't stop
reading to save my life. <g>

Reading the book just before Christmas definitely made it harder to watch
Two Towers on Boxing Day.

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There is so
> much to the book, I don't want to spoil it by reading it too early.

They'll get different things out of it at different ages. Just because you
read it to them now doesn't mean they'll never read it again. Some people
read it every year :-)

Often the first time through a book there's just enough processing power to
pick up the story. Subsequence readings are for finding deeper things
I just found the entire trilogy on 20 cds at the library. There are 20
actors reading it. I've not heard it yet, but I plan to save it so we can listen
to it again and again, with or without the printed page in front of us.

diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
"You can follow your book and your map of wars, but I'll go and follow my
kids." -- Woody Guthrie


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Tia Leschke

> I just found the entire trilogy on 20 cds at the library. There are 20
> actors reading it. I've not heard it yet, but I plan to save it so we can
listen
> to it again and again, with or without the printed page in front of us.

Would that be this one? But it's only 13 CDs.

Random House BBC1008 CD.
A dramatized radio production adapted from Tolkien's classic work.
Prepared for BBC Radio in 13 episodes.
Music composed and conducted by Stephen Oliver and performed by members of
the New Chamber Soloists with Susan Bradshaw ; singers, David James, Matthew
Vine and Oz Clarke, with Ambrosian Singers and members of the cast.
Starring Ian Holm, featuring a cast of 25 performers.
Tia

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deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
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Random House BBC1008 CD.
A dramatized radio production adapted from Tolkien's classic work.
Prepared for BBC Radio in 13 episodes.
Music composed and conducted by Stephen Oliver and performed by members of
the New Chamber Soloists with Susan Bradshaw ; singers, David James, Matthew
Vine and Oz Clarke, with Ambrosian Singers and members of the cast.
Starring Ian Holm, featuring a cast of 25 performers.
*********
That's it!! (see what I get for spouting without the evidence in front of
me!) 13 hours on 13 cds ~ could actually listen to the whole thing in less than
2 weeks! Has anyone listened to this version? Whatcha think?

diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
"You can follow your book and your map of wars, but I'll go and follow my
kids." -- Woody Guthrie


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Judie C. Rall

Can somewhere tell me where to get this CD set?

Judie

Heidi

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> Starring Ian Holm, featuring a cast of 25 performers.
> *********
> That's it!! (see what I get for spouting without the evidence in
front of
> me!) 13 hours on 13 cds ~ could actually listen to the whole thing
in less than
> 2 weeks! Has anyone listened to this version? Whatcha think?
>
> diana,
> The wackiest widow westriver...


That's the one we've listened to...EXCELLENT choice! It's acted out,
more than just read...very well done. Go for it! Have fun

HeidiC

Robyn Coburn

You are so right - the whole drag Frodo to the city thing was not at all
in the spirit of Faramir. - an excuse for the action of the bombardment
scene??

Robyn Coburn



<<Faramir NEEDS to be really open and noble.>>




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Robyn Coburn

Actually I am a bit disappointed with Merry and Pippin, who are
portrayed much more as unruly teens, than lighthearted but true-as-steel
adults in the book - especially in the party scene in the first movie. I
guess the immature start gives their characters further to go, but I
still wish they would start showing their witty "English" heroism soon.

I do like the portrayal of Gimli and Legolas - separately and their
relationship.

Robyn Coburn







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In a message dated 9/2/03 11:03:00 AM, leschke@... writes:

<< Starring Ian Holm, featuring a cast of 25 performers. >>

Ian Holm who did Bilbo in the movie did Frodo in the sound recording. I
haven't heard it but I'd like to someday.

Sandra

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In a message dated 9/2/03 2:30:58 PM, mjsolich@... writes:

<< I was going to say my favourite thing about

LOTR is the wonderful relationships that occur throughout the story and that

Frodo found Faramir to be more like Aragorn, kingly and TRUE, than like

Boromir but I didn't want to rant.<g> >>

YES!! The only men he had met were Aragorn and Boromir (and maybe some scary
guys in Bree or wherever along the way) and BOTH Aragorn and Boromir had
scared him at first, but Faramir was a GOOD guy, absolutely.

The REAL Faramir, not the fantasy Faramir in the movie. <bwg>

Funny, isn't it, that although the book is just fantasy too somehow it seems
the book has a reality the movie doesn't.

Probably I'm just messed up in the head about the superiority of books.

Sandra

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Can somewhere tell me where to get this CD set?

Judie
**********************************************

You could probably get it on loan from your library. If you wanted to
purchase it, look at Barnes and Noble, Borders, Amazon...

~Nancy

People always call it luck when you've acted more sensibly than they have.
Anne Tyler


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In a message dated 9-2-2003 4:33:16 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Dnowens@... writes:
You could probably get it on loan from your library. If you wanted to
purchase it, look at Barnes and Noble, Borders, Amazon...
*************************************
also try half.com, it's a branch of e-bay for books, movies, etc... I've
found some great deals

diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
"You can follow your book and your map of wars, but I'll go and follow my
kids." -- Woody Guthrie


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Lee-Ann and Robert Storer

Julie said:
There are lots of differences
between the book and the 2nd movie and I couldn't see how they were most of
them were necessary. I bugged Mark in the cinema as I spent the whole movie
whispering indignantly, "that's not right! that doesn't happen in the book!"
<g>

Yep, I didn't like it at all except for maybe the close ups of Aragorn, and a couple of cute funny lines from Gimli. Overall it was a big disappointment for me and for DH who made an hour trip to go and buy it after work (we didn't get to the cinemas). Oh and Gollum was pretty gorgeous lmao - I like when he slipped into 'Mr Bean' mode after giving the rabbit to Frodo - I nearly wet myself laughing.

I'm not sure I want to see the next movie. I am reading the book again though just to get the story right in my head after having it messed around with so much. I think I'll start reading it out loud to my girls (Jason will secretly listen) tonight if they're interested.

Lee-Ann in Australia,
where the sun is finally shining and Joe versus the Volcano is on pay tv. <g>



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Lee-Ann and Robert Storer

Julie wrote:
WOW! That is exactly how I feel. I was going to say my favourite thing about
LOTR is the wonderful relationships that occur throughout the story and that
Frodo found Faramir to be more like Aragorn, kingly and TRUE, than like
Boromir but I didn't want to rant.<g> As I tend to when I think about it.
I so agree with you!!!(Sandra that is <g> not me! ooh I wrote this brackety bit not Julie lmao)

I say:
Dont' even get me started about Faramir. And Aragorn falling off the cliff and Elrond going all bossy on Arwen - okay temperature rising, pulse throbbing, veins sticking out on temples, need coffee.....

Lee-Ann in Australia,
stomping off to get the book and read read read - aaarrrrgghhh



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Tia Leschke

> Actually I am a bit disappointed with Merry and Pippin, who are
> portrayed much more as unruly teens, than lighthearted but true-as-steel
> adults in the book - especially in the party scene in the first movie. I
> guess the immature start gives their characters further to go, but I
> still wish they would start showing their witty "English" heroism soon.
>
> I do like the portrayal of Gimli and Legolas - separately and their
> relationship.

We just finally watched it the other night. I can't remember all the things
I found unbelievable, but the amount of noise they made when they were just
outside Mordor seemed enough for someone inside to have also noticed.
Tia

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deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...

Tia Leschke

> Can somewhere tell me where to get this CD set?

Our library has it. I just put it on hold. <g>
Tia

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deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...

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> Can somewhere tell me where to get this CD set?

Our library has it.  I just put it on hold.  <g>
Tia

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In a message dated 9/2/03 5:17:17 PM, lrjem1@... writes:

<< Dont' even get me started about Faramir. And Aragorn falling off the
cliff and Elrond going all bossy on Arwen - okay temperature rising, pulse
throbbing, veins sticking out on temples, need coffee..... >>

You forgot Merry yelling at Treebeard.


(Oh no... if she has a stroke I'll be in trouble.)