cliques
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In a message dated 8/8/03 9:12:15 AM, ecsamhill@... writes:
<< I don't think the word "cliquish" is a fair description. We have
"camaraderie" built up among people who agree strongly and have
participated in the list for a long time. However, I don't think that
that existing affection between posters is actually used to taunt others
or to play "keep away" from them or to purposely make people feel "less
than". >>
Good point. If there were an unschooling list which was invitation only and
you kept hearing it was good, but you couldn't get invited, and they kept
having information you wanted but wouldn't let you have it, THAT might be a
clique.
"Clique" is an insult-word, used only in negative ways.
I went looking for a dictionary definition but found some better stuff:
Three Cheers For Cliques
by Michael Cook
It is common practice in our clubs to say "Of course' this club is run by a
little clique, and nobody can break in." The connotation is overwhelmingly
negative.
True sometimes.
However it can be said of most clubs that there is a core group of people who
do most of the work. attend virtually all of the events, and keep the
organization running.
They also form a clique - "A small, exclusive group of people" according to
Random House. No negative connotation.
This type of clique doesn't want to be exclusive. They want others to join
them. They want help doing all of the things they do for the organization. They
want company at all of the eventsthey so faithfully attend. BUT, they will be
there working, anyway. /P> Sure, there are cliques which jealously guard their
control over a club and refuse to let other members penetrate their little
organizational group, but there are few of those. In most clubs, the small group
of people you see regularly on the list of officers and heading committees
are really the most interested members.
This type of clique doesn't deserve jealous critcism. They merit your
support. The real enemies of the organization are the members who don't volunteer but
stand around complaining about cliques! If there isn't a core group of
interested peopleto keep a club running, there will soon be no club. When the core
group decides they have had enough of carrying the load, let's hope there are
other members ready to step in and shoulder it.
Have you helped your club's clique lately?
http://www.britcars.net/JAN2000.html
a site for owners of British automobiles
-------------
David, who are you protecting here? What are you trying to do? It seems that
your trying to say that this has damaged the group and that worries you, but
it makes me think you are just using this oppurtunity to cast your imaginary
'clique' in a light of shame. I don't believe such a clique exists. The term
'clique' carries a connotation of exclusion, an element which simply does not
exist. Jonathan's offhand remark doesn't seem to have offended anyone, or
they would have said something. You yourself don't seem to be offended, just
carrying on with your political manuvering.
It seems to me that after Jonathan responded to your last email about 'Those
concerned about the future of WPLUG' and made some very good points, you have
resorted to attacking HIM personally under the cover of, 'look what you've
done to the group'.
(Discussion about a logo contest on wplug.org)
-----------------------------
What is a clique, anyhow?
Clique 1. Noun. A small, exclusive set of people.
Exclusive 1. Adjective. not shared with any others, confined to a
selected few.
Exclude 1. Verb. To keep out, prevent or forbid the entry of.
Some groups are, by nature, exclusive. It’s important to define the reason
for the exclusivity
before we call that group a ‘clique’, which has a negative connotation.
In order to run programs or functions in any organization, committees or
groups must be formed. People are chosen, by various methods, to be on such
committees. If these groups were accessible to everyone at any time, there would be
little work accomplished. As the saying goes, “Too many cooks spoil the
broth.” Congress is this kind of group. By definition these committees could be
called ‘cliques,’ as they are exclusive. Cliques are a matter of perception -
unless you really are trying to prevent someone from befriending your friend.
This is a truly rare occurrence.
It’s not our job to judge, to label as cliques or to purposely exclude
others. As Christians, we are a chosen people. From the outside, we might look like
a clique. Let’s do what we can to be an “inclusive clique.” One that draws
others into fellowship in Christ!
Your Sister and the one most likely to crash your party,
Beth Kolar
www.harvestchapel.net
----------
So on just the first page of a google search, I found similar discussions
about religion, geekitude and car ownership.
This list is for unschoolers to discuss unschooling.
If anyone who is NOT really interested in that feels like an outsider, that's
not a bad thing.
If people who don't contribute resent those who do contribute, that's a
personal problem.
Sandra
<< I don't think the word "cliquish" is a fair description. We have
"camaraderie" built up among people who agree strongly and have
participated in the list for a long time. However, I don't think that
that existing affection between posters is actually used to taunt others
or to play "keep away" from them or to purposely make people feel "less
than". >>
Good point. If there were an unschooling list which was invitation only and
you kept hearing it was good, but you couldn't get invited, and they kept
having information you wanted but wouldn't let you have it, THAT might be a
clique.
"Clique" is an insult-word, used only in negative ways.
I went looking for a dictionary definition but found some better stuff:
Three Cheers For Cliques
by Michael Cook
It is common practice in our clubs to say "Of course' this club is run by a
little clique, and nobody can break in." The connotation is overwhelmingly
negative.
True sometimes.
However it can be said of most clubs that there is a core group of people who
do most of the work. attend virtually all of the events, and keep the
organization running.
They also form a clique - "A small, exclusive group of people" according to
Random House. No negative connotation.
This type of clique doesn't want to be exclusive. They want others to join
them. They want help doing all of the things they do for the organization. They
want company at all of the eventsthey so faithfully attend. BUT, they will be
there working, anyway. /P> Sure, there are cliques which jealously guard their
control over a club and refuse to let other members penetrate their little
organizational group, but there are few of those. In most clubs, the small group
of people you see regularly on the list of officers and heading committees
are really the most interested members.
This type of clique doesn't deserve jealous critcism. They merit your
support. The real enemies of the organization are the members who don't volunteer but
stand around complaining about cliques! If there isn't a core group of
interested peopleto keep a club running, there will soon be no club. When the core
group decides they have had enough of carrying the load, let's hope there are
other members ready to step in and shoulder it.
Have you helped your club's clique lately?
http://www.britcars.net/JAN2000.html
a site for owners of British automobiles
-------------
David, who are you protecting here? What are you trying to do? It seems that
your trying to say that this has damaged the group and that worries you, but
it makes me think you are just using this oppurtunity to cast your imaginary
'clique' in a light of shame. I don't believe such a clique exists. The term
'clique' carries a connotation of exclusion, an element which simply does not
exist. Jonathan's offhand remark doesn't seem to have offended anyone, or
they would have said something. You yourself don't seem to be offended, just
carrying on with your political manuvering.
It seems to me that after Jonathan responded to your last email about 'Those
concerned about the future of WPLUG' and made some very good points, you have
resorted to attacking HIM personally under the cover of, 'look what you've
done to the group'.
(Discussion about a logo contest on wplug.org)
-----------------------------
What is a clique, anyhow?
Clique 1. Noun. A small, exclusive set of people.
Exclusive 1. Adjective. not shared with any others, confined to a
selected few.
Exclude 1. Verb. To keep out, prevent or forbid the entry of.
Some groups are, by nature, exclusive. It’s important to define the reason
for the exclusivity
before we call that group a ‘clique’, which has a negative connotation.
In order to run programs or functions in any organization, committees or
groups must be formed. People are chosen, by various methods, to be on such
committees. If these groups were accessible to everyone at any time, there would be
little work accomplished. As the saying goes, “Too many cooks spoil the
broth.” Congress is this kind of group. By definition these committees could be
called ‘cliques,’ as they are exclusive. Cliques are a matter of perception -
unless you really are trying to prevent someone from befriending your friend.
This is a truly rare occurrence.
It’s not our job to judge, to label as cliques or to purposely exclude
others. As Christians, we are a chosen people. From the outside, we might look like
a clique. Let’s do what we can to be an “inclusive clique.” One that draws
others into fellowship in Christ!
Your Sister and the one most likely to crash your party,
Beth Kolar
www.harvestchapel.net
----------
So on just the first page of a google search, I found similar discussions
about religion, geekitude and car ownership.
This list is for unschoolers to discuss unschooling.
If anyone who is NOT really interested in that feels like an outsider, that's
not a bad thing.
If people who don't contribute resent those who do contribute, that's a
personal problem.
Sandra
Betsy
**"Clique" is an insult-word, used only in negative ways.
I went looking for a dictionary definition but found some better stuff:
**
I'm going to have to get out my dictionary, too. I know it's icky being
a "clique" and I'm hoping it might be cooler to have a "cadre" or a
"corps". I figure if we have "esprit de corps" we can be a corps.
Semper Un!
Betsy
I went looking for a dictionary definition but found some better stuff:
**
I'm going to have to get out my dictionary, too. I know it's icky being
a "clique" and I'm hoping it might be cooler to have a "cadre" or a
"corps". I figure if we have "esprit de corps" we can be a corps.
Semper Un!
Betsy
Julie Solich
I think school impacts people for such a long time. I remember being at school and wanting to be a part of a group but at the same time not wanting to be noticed too much. If you were not in a 'group' then it was because your peers rejected you.
Maybe that's what's happening on this list. People subscribe and see the obvious 'camaradarie' (sp?) and feel uncertain about whether they will fit in and begin to post emotionally primed for rejection.
I don't know how you overcome that. I mean, you can't expect people who have connected and built up friendships to pretend that they haven't. I guess it's up to the individual to work through that and make the effort to stick the uncomfortable period out and get to know everyone.
Just my musings.
Julie
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Maybe that's what's happening on this list. People subscribe and see the obvious 'camaradarie' (sp?) and feel uncertain about whether they will fit in and begin to post emotionally primed for rejection.
I don't know how you overcome that. I mean, you can't expect people who have connected and built up friendships to pretend that they haven't. I guess it's up to the individual to work through that and make the effort to stick the uncomfortable period out and get to know everyone.
Just my musings.
Julie
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Shyrley
Julie Solich wrote:
over the shock they are used to you :-)
Mind you, I can always leave the country.....
Shyrley
>I think school impacts people for such a long time. I remember being at school and wanting to be a part of a group but at the same time not wanting to be noticed too much. If you were not in a 'group' then it was because your peers rejected you.You do what I do, blunder in and be chummy. By the time people have got
>
>Maybe that's what's happening on this list. People subscribe and see the obvious 'camaradarie' (sp?) and feel uncertain about whether they will fit in and begin to post emotionally primed for rejection.
>
>I don't know how you overcome that. I mean, you can't expect people who have connected and built up friendships to pretend that they haven't. I guess it's up to the individual to work through that and make the effort to stick the uncomfortable period out and get to know everyone.
>
>Just my musings.
>
>Julie
>
>
>
over the shock they are used to you :-)
Mind you, I can always leave the country.....
Shyrley
Julie Solich
> >Hey, I'm not even in the country. I'll have to blunder in more often. :-)
> >
> >
> You do what I do, blunder in and be chummy. By the time people have got
> over the shock they are used to you :-)
> Mind you, I can always leave the country.....
>
> Shyrley
>
Julie
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Julie Solich wrote:
Not that I don't like America but I am going back to the land of decent
chips, beer and chocolate :-)
Shyrley, Brit in exile
>>>And I AM leaving the country....5 months and counting.......
>>>
>>>
>>You do what I do, blunder in and be chummy. By the time people have got
>>over the shock they are used to you :-)
>>Mind you, I can always leave the country.....
>>
>>Shyrley
>>
>>
>>
>Hey, I'm not even in the country. I'll have to blunder in more often. :-)
>
>Julie
>
>
Not that I don't like America but I am going back to the land of decent
chips, beer and chocolate :-)
Shyrley, Brit in exile
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>
>
Kelli Traaseth
Doesn't everyone feel a bit "out of it" when you come into something new?
You can't expect to feel included in something when you've just begun. But that doesn't mean the group is a clique.
I think with lists, there are going to be certain people who post certain ways. And not all posters are going to be appreciated by all. Alot of what people have been complaining about here is what actually helped me get to my place in unschooling. I am completely sold, not a question in my mind.
I am so glad that we have honest, get to the point, no beating around the bush people here!! Can I bring a few of you with me to my own Minnesota list? <g> Ya see, I'm too honest with my list. :)
Kelli~
You can't expect to feel included in something when you've just begun. But that doesn't mean the group is a clique.
I think with lists, there are going to be certain people who post certain ways. And not all posters are going to be appreciated by all. Alot of what people have been complaining about here is what actually helped me get to my place in unschooling. I am completely sold, not a question in my mind.
I am so glad that we have honest, get to the point, no beating around the bush people here!! Can I bring a few of you with me to my own Minnesota list? <g> Ya see, I'm too honest with my list. :)
Kelli~
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Solich
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:31 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-Discussion] cliques
I think school impacts people for such a long time. I remember being at school and wanting to be a part of a group but at the same time not wanting to be noticed too much. If you were not in a 'group' then it was because your peers rejected you.
Maybe that's what's happening on this list. People subscribe and see the obvious 'camaradarie' (sp?) and feel uncertain about whether they will fit in and begin to post emotionally primed for rejection.
I don't know how you overcome that. I mean, you can't expect people who have connected and built up friendships to pretend that they haven't. I guess it's up to the individual to work through that and make the effort to stick the uncomfortable period out and get to know everyone.
Just my musings.
Julie
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 07:31 AM, Julie Solich wrote:
that I'd found a home and wanted to be friends with some of the people
there. So I stalked them <BEG>. I'm only kind of kidding, because I did
know I wanted to be friends, but you can't just instantly create
friendships - I read for months without saying anything. Then I went to
some live chats - we used to have a lot of them on AOL. I asked
questions - didn't argue - cracked a few jokes here and there. I wasn't
GIVING advice at that time - I was getting it only. But I did write,
offlist and on, responses to posts that really meant something to me.
Slowly, over the YEARS, not days or weeks, I got to know some people
better and better. I went to conferences - quite a few of them - and
met people in person. Offered rides to and from the airport so I'd have
some undistracted one-on-one time with somebody I especially liked
online <G>. Invited them to meet for dinner or even stay at my house
when they were in town or just passing through. Invited them to my
support group park days. I made a pretty concerted effort to develop
friendships with people I really respected and admired and who seemed
really FUN to me. Some panned out - some didn't. Some were disastrous,
by the way. Some are among my dearest closest friends now. Some are on
this list.
-pam
> I don't know how you overcome that. I mean, you can't expect peopleI knew pretty quickly, when I joined the old AOL homeschooling forum,
> who have connected and built up friendships to pretend that they
> haven't. I guess it's up to the individual to work through that and
> make the effort to stick the uncomfortable period out and get to know
> everyone.
that I'd found a home and wanted to be friends with some of the people
there. So I stalked them <BEG>. I'm only kind of kidding, because I did
know I wanted to be friends, but you can't just instantly create
friendships - I read for months without saying anything. Then I went to
some live chats - we used to have a lot of them on AOL. I asked
questions - didn't argue - cracked a few jokes here and there. I wasn't
GIVING advice at that time - I was getting it only. But I did write,
offlist and on, responses to posts that really meant something to me.
Slowly, over the YEARS, not days or weeks, I got to know some people
better and better. I went to conferences - quite a few of them - and
met people in person. Offered rides to and from the airport so I'd have
some undistracted one-on-one time with somebody I especially liked
online <G>. Invited them to meet for dinner or even stay at my house
when they were in town or just passing through. Invited them to my
support group park days. I made a pretty concerted effort to develop
friendships with people I really respected and admired and who seemed
really FUN to me. Some panned out - some didn't. Some were disastrous,
by the way. Some are among my dearest closest friends now. Some are on
this list.
-pam
Barb Eaton
Shyrley,
You've stated that your baby will be born on the other side of the pond.
You will come back once you get moved and settled won't you? I'd/we'd love
to celebrate with you. :-)
Barb E
"Youth is not a time of life; it is a state of mind; it is
not a matter of rosy cheeks, red lips and supple knees; it
is a matter of the will, quality of the imagination, a
vigor of the emotions; it is the freshness of the deep
springs of life. "
- Samuel Ullman, Businessman and Poet
on 8/9/03 10:32 AM, Shyrley at shyrley@... wrote:
You've stated that your baby will be born on the other side of the pond.
You will come back once you get moved and settled won't you? I'd/we'd love
to celebrate with you. :-)
Barb E
"Youth is not a time of life; it is a state of mind; it is
not a matter of rosy cheeks, red lips and supple knees; it
is a matter of the will, quality of the imagination, a
vigor of the emotions; it is the freshness of the deep
springs of life. "
- Samuel Ullman, Businessman and Poet
on 8/9/03 10:32 AM, Shyrley at shyrley@... wrote:
> Mind you, I can always leave the country.....
>
> Shyrley
>
>
> -
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/9/03 8:26:43 AM, shyrley@... writes:
<< Mind you, I can always leave the country..... >>
But you would still be on the list.
We can't see where you are anyway. <g>
Sandra
<< Mind you, I can always leave the country..... >>
But you would still be on the list.
We can't see where you are anyway. <g>
Sandra
Shyrley
Barb Eaton wrote:
one of the kids and come :-)
Shyrley
>Shyrley,Well, should anyone invite me over to the US for a vacation I'll sell
> You've stated that your baby will be born on the other side of the pond.
>You will come back once you get moved and settled won't you? I'd/we'd love
>to celebrate with you. :-)
>
>
>Barb E
>
>
one of the kids and come :-)
Shyrley
>
>
>
>
Barb Eaton
I meant the list. LOL!
Barb E
"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the
shoreline of wonder."
- Ralph W. Sockman, Minister
on 8/9/03 1:53 PM, Shyrley at shyrley@... wrote:
Barb E
"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the
shoreline of wonder."
- Ralph W. Sockman, Minister
on 8/9/03 1:53 PM, Shyrley at shyrley@... wrote:
>
> Barb Eaton wrote:
>
>> Shyrley,
>> You've stated that your baby will be born on the other side of the pond.
>> You will come back once you get moved and settled won't you? I'd/we'd love
>> to celebrate with you. :-)
>>
>>
>> Barb E
>>
>>
> Well, should anyone invite me over to the US for a vacation I'll sell
> one of the kids and come :-)
>
> Shyrley
Pamela Sorooshian
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 10:53 AM, Shyrley wrote:
I guess <BEG>.
-pam
> Well, should anyone invite me over to the US for a vacation I'll sellYou can't get much for a slug, it'll have to be one of the older kids,
> one of the kids and come :-)
I guess <BEG>.
-pam
Shyrley
Pamela Sorooshian wrote:
language :-)
Shyrley...I am joking.....
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>On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 10:53 AM, Shyrley wrote:Hehehe. I might be able to get $10 for the red headed one with the foul
>
>
>
>>Well, should anyone invite me over to the US for a vacation I'll sell
>>one of the kids and come :-)
>>
>>
>
>You can't get much for a slug, it'll have to be one of the older kids,
>I guess <BEG>.
>
>-pam
>
>
>
>
language :-)
Shyrley...I am joking.....
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/9/2003 4:10:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Kathryn
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[email protected] writes:
> Well, should anyone invite me over to the US for a vacation I'll sellProbably get most for the baby. Unless it's Kelly.
> one of the kids and come :-)
>
> Shyrley
>
>
Kathryn
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 01:23 PM, KathrynJB@... wrote:
Hey - we have slugs, for real, that eat the dog food. I'd never really
paid much attention until this topic came up - but I watched them last
night.
Sure are boring little critters! <BEG> Watching them is like
meditating. TORTURE trying to keep focused.
-pam
> Probably get most for the baby. Unless it's Kelly.Why - you think other people like slugs?
Hey - we have slugs, for real, that eat the dog food. I'd never really
paid much attention until this topic came up - but I watched them last
night.
Sure are boring little critters! <BEG> Watching them is like
meditating. TORTURE trying to keep focused.
-pam
[email protected]
<< Probably get most for the baby. Unless it's Kelly. >>
WHO called Kelly a baby?
OH sheesh. Grow up. Just because she's a slug doesn't mean she's a BABY.
(I am joking.)
\
Sandra
WHO called Kelly a baby?
OH sheesh. Grow up. Just because she's a slug doesn't mean she's a BABY.
(I am joking.)
\
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/9/2003 4:28:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
up really tightly. They can suck their antennae in---oh! They are NEAT! Pick
them up; when they feel safe, they will start to move and slide along your
hand! Cool little critters!
~Kelly
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
> Hey - we have slugs, for real, that eat the dog food. I'd never reallyOh, now see, I find them FASCINATING! <G> They can get soooo long and scrunch
> paid much attention until this topic came up - but I watched them last
> night.
>
> Sure are boring little critters! <BEG> Watching them is like
> meditating. TORTURE trying to keep focused.
up really tightly. They can suck their antennae in---oh! They are NEAT! Pick
them up; when they feel safe, they will start to move and slide along your
hand! Cool little critters!
~Kelly
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 01:54 PM, kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
culture clash about to happen? I bet you (all) talk realllllly
sllllooooow toooo.
-pam (that's a one-syllable word where I live, by the way <BEG>)
> Oh, now see, I find them FASCINATING! <G> They can get soooo long andUh-oh - you can sit still long enough to see them move? Wow - do I see
> scrunch
> up really tightly. They can suck their antennae in---oh! They are
> NEAT! Pick
> them up; when they feel safe, they will start to move and slide along
> your
> hand! Cool little critters!
culture clash about to happen? I bet you (all) talk realllllly
sllllooooow toooo.
-pam (that's a one-syllable word where I live, by the way <BEG>)
Bill and Diane
I've been on unschooling.com or on this list for nearly 5 years and am
just in maybe the past year or less starting to post more. This is the
first time I've really felt I could be a *responder* rather than only an
*asker*. Some of that, of course, is because my kids are so young--the
oldest is just *not-starting* kindergarten this month. But some of it is
because it just takes a while to work through whether this list is
"home" and feel comfortable with it.
:-) Diane
just in maybe the past year or less starting to post more. This is the
first time I've really felt I could be a *responder* rather than only an
*asker*. Some of that, of course, is because my kids are so young--the
oldest is just *not-starting* kindergarten this month. But some of it is
because it just takes a while to work through whether this list is
"home" and feel comfortable with it.
:-) Diane
>I read for months without saying anything. Then I went to
>some live chats - we used to have a lot of them on AOL. I asked
>questions - didn't argue - cracked a few jokes here and there. I wasn't
>GIVING advice at that time - I was getting it only. But I did write,
>offlist and on, responses to posts that really meant something to me.
>Slowly, over the YEARS, not days or weeks, I got to know some people
>better and better.
>
Bill and Diane
>Y'know you can't do that here...
>
>Shyrley...I am joking.....
>
:-) Diane
[email protected]
In a message dated 8/9/2003 11:49:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tktraas@... writes:
it" at first. The ONLY way, IMO, to ever feel "in" is to read, listen, then
join in. Maybe it's just a personality thing. If I hear someone in line at
Walmart talking about something that I'm interested in, I join the
conversation...especially if they're pondering the answer to something and I can help
them. :o)
Nancy B. in WV, who honestly can't take another person joining this list then
calling it's members mean.
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tktraas@... writes:
> Doesn't everyone feel a bit "out of it" when you come into something new?On every message board and every email list I've ever been on, I felt "out of
>
> You can't expect to feel included in something when you've just begun. But
> that doesn't mean the group is a clique.
>
>
it" at first. The ONLY way, IMO, to ever feel "in" is to read, listen, then
join in. Maybe it's just a personality thing. If I hear someone in line at
Walmart talking about something that I'm interested in, I join the
conversation...especially if they're pondering the answer to something and I can help
them. :o)
Nancy B. in WV, who honestly can't take another person joining this list then
calling it's members mean.
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In a message dated 8/10/2003 9:39:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
It happens.
~Kelly
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CelticFrau@... writes:
> Nancy B. in WV, who honestly can't take another person joining this listWell, Nancy----then it's going to be a lo-o-o-ong row for you to hoe!
> then
> calling it's members mean
It happens.
~Kelly
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coyote's corner
Gosh, that's mean.
Janis
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-Discussion] cliques
In a message dated 8/10/2003 9:39:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
> Nancy B. in WV, who honestly can't take another person joining this list
> then
> calling it's members mean
Well, Nancy----then it's going to be a lo-o-o-ong row for you to hoe!
It happens.
~Kelly
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marji
At 10:05 8/10/03 -0400, Kelly wrote:
marji
>...it's going to be a lo-o-o-ong row for you to hoe!What a great expression!
marji
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In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:19:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jana@... writes:
that it was happening since before I joined---and I doubt it'll ever stop. Nancy
will probably be very disappointed if she thinks newbies will *always*
understand this list from the get-go.
~Kelly
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jana@... writes:
> Gosh, that's mean.I'm sorry, Janis---it was a joke (maybe yours was too?). I was just saying
> Janis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-Discussion] cliques
>
>
> In a message dated 8/10/2003 9:39:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> CelticFrau@... writes:
>
>
> > Nancy B. in WV, who honestly can't take another person joining this list
>
> > then
> > calling it's members mean
>
> Well, Nancy----then it's going to be a lo-o-o-ong row for you to hoe!
>
> It happens.
>
> ~Kelly
>
that it was happening since before I joined---and I doubt it'll ever stop. Nancy
will probably be very disappointed if she thinks newbies will *always*
understand this list from the get-go.
~Kelly
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In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:23:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
marji@... writes:
~Kelly
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marji@... writes:
> >...it's going to be a lo-o-o-ong row for you to hoe!Yer ain't from 'round heeeea, is ya, Marji? <g>
>
> What a great expression!
>
> marji
>
>
~Kelly
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marji
At 10:25 8/10/03 -0400, Kelly wrote:
We (us and another family) went on an expedition one time up in Maine and
we were looking for a particular lighthouse. We got pretty lost and
finally Jimmy (my husband) suggested we pull over and he'd go up to a house
and ask directions (thus breaking yet another male stereotype). He went up
to this house and rang the bell. The door opened and we could see Jimmy and
this man talking. After a few moments, Jimmy came back to the car and got in.
We asked him what the guy had said. Jimmy said, "I don't know! I couldn't
understand ONE THING that man just said!"
Regionalisms are so cool!
~marji~ (who sometimes feels like she ain't from 'round heeah, eitha)
>Yer ain't from 'round heeeea, is ya, Marji? <g>Man, we got folks talkin' like that in Maine and upstate NY! (g)
We (us and another family) went on an expedition one time up in Maine and
we were looking for a particular lighthouse. We got pretty lost and
finally Jimmy (my husband) suggested we pull over and he'd go up to a house
and ask directions (thus breaking yet another male stereotype). He went up
to this house and rang the bell. The door opened and we could see Jimmy and
this man talking. After a few moments, Jimmy came back to the car and got in.
We asked him what the guy had said. Jimmy said, "I don't know! I couldn't
understand ONE THING that man just said!"
Regionalisms are so cool!
~marji~ (who sometimes feels like she ain't from 'round heeah, eitha)
coyote's corner
Ahhh....joking...
honest.
Janis
honest.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: coyote's corner
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-Discussion] cliques
Gosh, that's mean.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-Discussion] cliques
In a message dated 8/10/2003 9:39:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
> Nancy B. in WV, who honestly can't take another person joining this list
> then
> calling it's members mean
Well, Nancy----then it's going to be a lo-o-o-ong row for you to hoe!
It happens.
~Kelly
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coyote's corner
I am joking....see my last post.
I don't think people on this list are mean. I think there are some that may be brusque, forthright....I've had "hurt feelings" or rather felt bad over this post or that....so what? I'm here for Brianna. I'm here for a better way of life. I need input..and if I don't care for the manner of delivery - well, I can still use or - at the very least - consider the content.
Janis
I don't think people on this list are mean. I think there are some that may be brusque, forthright....I've had "hurt feelings" or rather felt bad over this post or that....so what? I'm here for Brianna. I'm here for a better way of life. I need input..and if I don't care for the manner of delivery - well, I can still use or - at the very least - consider the content.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-Discussion] cliques
In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:19:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jana@... writes:
> Gosh, that's mean.
> Janis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-Discussion] cliques
>
>
> In a message dated 8/10/2003 9:39:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> CelticFrau@... writes:
>
>
> > Nancy B. in WV, who honestly can't take another person joining this list
>
> > then
> > calling it's members mean
>
> Well, Nancy----then it's going to be a lo-o-o-ong row for you to hoe!
>
> It happens.
>
> ~Kelly
>
I'm sorry, Janis---it was a joke (maybe yours was too?). I was just saying
that it was happening since before I joined---and I doubt it'll ever stop. Nancy
will probably be very disappointed if she thinks newbies will *always*
understand this list from the get-go.
~Kelly
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