HELP! We may have to move to an unfriendly state.
littletoads2000
We have been happily homeschooling in Michigan for several years
now. The state's laws are some of the most liberal in the country,
making our unschooling style a breeze. Unfortunately we are faced
with job loss in these economically stressed times and may have to
take work in a less friendly state. We look at the map of "free
states" and see there are very few. We are wondering what will
happen if we move to a state like New York or Pennsylvania and simply
ignore the registration and reporting requirements? Since our kids
have never been enrolled there, are they likely to track us down and
hassle us? We don't have time for these foolish regulations and
testing requirements. We are too busy discovering and learning.
Please help. Is there anyone out there bucking the system in one or
more of the most rigid states? Thanks Caroline
now. The state's laws are some of the most liberal in the country,
making our unschooling style a breeze. Unfortunately we are faced
with job loss in these economically stressed times and may have to
take work in a less friendly state. We look at the map of "free
states" and see there are very few. We are wondering what will
happen if we move to a state like New York or Pennsylvania and simply
ignore the registration and reporting requirements? Since our kids
have never been enrolled there, are they likely to track us down and
hassle us? We don't have time for these foolish regulations and
testing requirements. We are too busy discovering and learning.
Please help. Is there anyone out there bucking the system in one or
more of the most rigid states? Thanks Caroline
Bling Williams
Hi Caroline,
We moved to Virginia from easy to home-educate in England. After I read al the rules on a notice of Intent and testing I just ignored it. We managed 18 months before someone turned me in. That was at Xmas 2002. The state sent me all their stuff so I sent it back written in Welsh. No word from them for months then they write claiming they've heard nothing. I called them up to clarify a few points of th law but so far have done nothing and not hearda peep out of them. I'm hoping that this state of affairs will continue until we leave the country at Xmas. There's no way I'm testing my kids.
If we were staying I would purchase the tests and do 'em myself This way I'm happy cos my kids are not tested, the state is happy cos they have a piece of paper with some numbers on. I don't consider it cheating personally (although some people on another list accused me of being spawn from hell for suggesting the idea...) cos I'm not claiming anything for my children. The point is that bits of paper move roound and everyone is happy. It's not like in 15 years time people wil give a stuff about supposed scores in Grade 2 or whatever.
Anyway, personally I'd just stay underground and on the offchance someone snitches on you, then claim ignorance. But thats just me. I resent laws that tell me what the state thinks I should be doing with my own children. <cue land of the free rant, what would the founding fathers think etc etc>
:-)
Shyrley
PS. Don't move to Stepford, North Virginia unless you look likea soccer Mom ;-)
littletoads2000 <shaffert@...> wrote:
We have been happily homeschooling in Michigan for several years
now. The state's laws are some of the most liberal in the country,
making our unschooling style a breeze. Unfortunately we are faced
with job loss in these economically stressed times and may have to
take work in a less friendly state. We look at the map of "free
states" and see there are very few. We are wondering what will
happen if we move to a state like New York or Pennsylvania and simply
ignore the registration and reporting requirements? Since our kids
have never been enrolled there, are they likely to track us down and
hassle us? We don't have time for these foolish regulations and
testing requirements. We are too busy discovering and learning.
Please help. Is there anyone out there bucking the system in one or
more of the most rigid states? Thanks Caroline
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We moved to Virginia from easy to home-educate in England. After I read al the rules on a notice of Intent and testing I just ignored it. We managed 18 months before someone turned me in. That was at Xmas 2002. The state sent me all their stuff so I sent it back written in Welsh. No word from them for months then they write claiming they've heard nothing. I called them up to clarify a few points of th law but so far have done nothing and not hearda peep out of them. I'm hoping that this state of affairs will continue until we leave the country at Xmas. There's no way I'm testing my kids.
If we were staying I would purchase the tests and do 'em myself This way I'm happy cos my kids are not tested, the state is happy cos they have a piece of paper with some numbers on. I don't consider it cheating personally (although some people on another list accused me of being spawn from hell for suggesting the idea...) cos I'm not claiming anything for my children. The point is that bits of paper move roound and everyone is happy. It's not like in 15 years time people wil give a stuff about supposed scores in Grade 2 or whatever.
Anyway, personally I'd just stay underground and on the offchance someone snitches on you, then claim ignorance. But thats just me. I resent laws that tell me what the state thinks I should be doing with my own children. <cue land of the free rant, what would the founding fathers think etc etc>
:-)
Shyrley
PS. Don't move to Stepford, North Virginia unless you look likea soccer Mom ;-)
littletoads2000 <shaffert@...> wrote:
We have been happily homeschooling in Michigan for several years
now. The state's laws are some of the most liberal in the country,
making our unschooling style a breeze. Unfortunately we are faced
with job loss in these economically stressed times and may have to
take work in a less friendly state. We look at the map of "free
states" and see there are very few. We are wondering what will
happen if we move to a state like New York or Pennsylvania and simply
ignore the registration and reporting requirements? Since our kids
have never been enrolled there, are they likely to track us down and
hassle us? We don't have time for these foolish regulations and
testing requirements. We are too busy discovering and learning.
Please help. Is there anyone out there bucking the system in one or
more of the most rigid states? Thanks Caroline
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Hi,
We live in Maine. I know of a couple of people that do not report or register
with the state. To my knowledge they have never been harassed by the state.
Laura D
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We live in Maine. I know of a couple of people that do not report or register
with the state. To my knowledge they have never been harassed by the state.
Laura D
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Betjeman and Barton Tea Merchants
Regarding not registering - I saved the following post from a discussion some time ago on this list. IMO it's a good idea :-)
I hope it helps
Karen (in CT)
This was posted by Sandra 3/15/03
<<BUT, I took Sandra's advice and got all my paperwork in order back in
November, >>
<<So Sandra, what was your advice?>>
First, both Ren and Dave & Nancy who are here had done the same thing so it's
kinda cool that it DID help.
Left over from some New Mexico policy that's no longer in effect, it was this:
Get the forms filled out, get them notarized so you have an official date on
them, make copies of the forms that you can give to relatives or neighbors or
anybody, and just don't send the original to the state (or district or
wherever your law says it goes, but here it was state). Just put the
original somewhere safe. County landfill, under the couch...
But IF someone wants proof of your registration, show them the copies with
the date. Say, "Look, I have copies. Do you want one?"
You can send a copy to the state later if they say "We don't have your
registration."
You say "Oh. Sorry. Here's a copy."
Since at their end they have some minimum wage file clerk in charge of
opening envelope and putting the papers in a filing cabinet, their failure to
produce a copy could easily mean mail problem, mis-file, loss under THEIR
couch or in the landfill, but if they have a copy to put in the file, then
they have their copy, legally dated before whatever deadline it was.
The reason people were doing that here was they could show that they had
written their intent to homeschool in time, but it didn't actually get their
kid's name on the to-be-tested list.
And it's something to distribute to suspicious relatives.
I always recommended not lying. Don't say "We sent it." Just say "I have a
copy, do you want one?" Because that's true.
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I hope it helps
Karen (in CT)
This was posted by Sandra 3/15/03
<<BUT, I took Sandra's advice and got all my paperwork in order back in
November, >>
<<So Sandra, what was your advice?>>
First, both Ren and Dave & Nancy who are here had done the same thing so it's
kinda cool that it DID help.
Left over from some New Mexico policy that's no longer in effect, it was this:
Get the forms filled out, get them notarized so you have an official date on
them, make copies of the forms that you can give to relatives or neighbors or
anybody, and just don't send the original to the state (or district or
wherever your law says it goes, but here it was state). Just put the
original somewhere safe. County landfill, under the couch...
But IF someone wants proof of your registration, show them the copies with
the date. Say, "Look, I have copies. Do you want one?"
You can send a copy to the state later if they say "We don't have your
registration."
You say "Oh. Sorry. Here's a copy."
Since at their end they have some minimum wage file clerk in charge of
opening envelope and putting the papers in a filing cabinet, their failure to
produce a copy could easily mean mail problem, mis-file, loss under THEIR
couch or in the landfill, but if they have a copy to put in the file, then
they have their copy, legally dated before whatever deadline it was.
The reason people were doing that here was they could show that they had
written their intent to homeschool in time, but it didn't actually get their
kid's name on the to-be-tested list.
And it's something to distribute to suspicious relatives.
I always recommended not lying. Don't say "We sent it." Just say "I have a
copy, do you want one?" Because that's true.
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liza sabater
On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 08:37 AM, littletoads2000 wrote:
Just move to whichever part in New Jersey is closest to either state
and commute. Will save you a bunch of headaches.
l i z a, nyc
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> We are wondering what willUGH!
> happen if we move to a state like New York or Pennsylvania and simply
> ignore the registration and reporting requirements?
Just move to whichever part in New Jersey is closest to either state
and commute. Will save you a bunch of headaches.
l i z a, nyc
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