OT: need fish tank help
Shelley & Donald Wurst
I'm hoping someone here knows something about fish tanks.
My son has 3 goldfish in a 10 gallon aquarium tank, and we have an out of control algae problem. We are running a small Whisper brand filter, change the cartridge regularly, and have an aeration strip in the tank. There is no heater and no light other than the natural room light. We have small rocks in the bottom of the tank, a few decorative larger aquarium rocks. The goldfish are just small "feeder fish" (maybe 2 inches in length), and have a ton of room in there. We are keeping the glass algae-free by scraping, and we change 3/4 of the water in the tank by suction vaccuming from the bottom of the tank, then adding fresh water back in in small batches (allowing it to come to room temperature first). Still, the water is a dense green color, so thick that you can't see the fish unless they are right at the edge, and can't see the rocks.
I've resorted to trying a chemical algicide, but it seems to not have any effect at the reccommended dosages, and I'm afraid to go any stronger with it.
HELP!! My son is quite attached to these fish, and is upset that he can't see them in their tank anymore. Besides which, that can't be healthy for them! Thanks to anyone who has experience with this sort of thing! I kept tropical fish in a 29 gallon aquarium for years without this problem, can't figure out what I'm doing wrong this time around!
--Shelley, Mommy to Jacob (2 1/2 yrs) and Gabriel (4 mos)
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My son has 3 goldfish in a 10 gallon aquarium tank, and we have an out of control algae problem. We are running a small Whisper brand filter, change the cartridge regularly, and have an aeration strip in the tank. There is no heater and no light other than the natural room light. We have small rocks in the bottom of the tank, a few decorative larger aquarium rocks. The goldfish are just small "feeder fish" (maybe 2 inches in length), and have a ton of room in there. We are keeping the glass algae-free by scraping, and we change 3/4 of the water in the tank by suction vaccuming from the bottom of the tank, then adding fresh water back in in small batches (allowing it to come to room temperature first). Still, the water is a dense green color, so thick that you can't see the fish unless they are right at the edge, and can't see the rocks.
I've resorted to trying a chemical algicide, but it seems to not have any effect at the reccommended dosages, and I'm afraid to go any stronger with it.
HELP!! My son is quite attached to these fish, and is upset that he can't see them in their tank anymore. Besides which, that can't be healthy for them! Thanks to anyone who has experience with this sort of thing! I kept tropical fish in a 29 gallon aquarium for years without this problem, can't figure out what I'm doing wrong this time around!
--Shelley, Mommy to Jacob (2 1/2 yrs) and Gabriel (4 mos)
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Gold fish seem to be rather "dirty" fish if you get my meaning. When we had
gold fish they created a lot of waste LOL. We still have fish but not the
gold fish kind. 10 gallon tank should be plenty.
The only other things we do that you didn't mention are to check the pH once
a week and adjust as needed. And we add Stress Zyme to ours that contains
live bacteria. The bottle says in part that it "assures a healthy biological
filter, good water quality, and a clean aquarium.
Also we have a placostamus (?spelling). "sucker fish" that helps keep the
glass clean.
Pam G.
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gold fish they created a lot of waste LOL. We still have fish but not the
gold fish kind. 10 gallon tank should be plenty.
The only other things we do that you didn't mention are to check the pH once
a week and adjust as needed. And we add Stress Zyme to ours that contains
live bacteria. The bottle says in part that it "assures a healthy biological
filter, good water quality, and a clean aquarium.
Also we have a placostamus (?spelling). "sucker fish" that helps keep the
glass clean.
Pam G.
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Mary
From: "Shelley & Donald Wurst" <harvest.moon@...>
<<HELP!! My son is quite attached to these fish, and is upset that he can't
see them in their tank anymore. Besides which, that can't be healthy for
them! Thanks to anyone who has experience with this sort of thing! I kept
tropical fish in a 29 gallon aquarium for years without this problem, can't
figure out what I'm doing wrong this time around!>>
You have either one of two things happening, too much light or too much food
for the algae. (waste from the fish) People say goldfish are very dirty and
the water is full of ammonia. I have a 30 gal tank full of fancy goldfish
only and never have any problems. I also have a light on the tank that I
keep on every evening. I test my water weekly and every 4-6 weeks do a water
change. Only about 25-30% at the most. It's a matter of feeding the fish.
If you don't want to use any chemicals, start by doing water changes. Do a
water change every day, 20% ONLY and no more. Condition the new water and
make sure the temp is the same when you add it. Keep doing this until the
water is clear. You can clean off the algae with a scraper ahead of time so
the vacuum gets the fallen algae. You said you have no light. Is the tank
near a sunny window? Does it get lots of natural light? If so, moving the
tank will help. If not, cut down on how much you feed the fish. Most people
over feed fish. Goldfish are pigs and will act starving every minute of the
day. You can feed the fish once or even 3 times day as long as it's not too
much. Feed very, very small amounts and make sure the fish are eating what
you feed. Once you see flakes or crumbs falling onto the rocks, stop
feeding. If you use flake food, try one flake at a time. That should do the
trick as you say you are changing the filter too.
Once you get it under control, you can buy a pleco if you want also. I like
the pleco's better than the algae eaters. He'll take care of any excess as
long as it's not too much. Then a 25 % water change once a month should do
the trick. Good luck.
Mary B
<<HELP!! My son is quite attached to these fish, and is upset that he can't
see them in their tank anymore. Besides which, that can't be healthy for
them! Thanks to anyone who has experience with this sort of thing! I kept
tropical fish in a 29 gallon aquarium for years without this problem, can't
figure out what I'm doing wrong this time around!>>
You have either one of two things happening, too much light or too much food
for the algae. (waste from the fish) People say goldfish are very dirty and
the water is full of ammonia. I have a 30 gal tank full of fancy goldfish
only and never have any problems. I also have a light on the tank that I
keep on every evening. I test my water weekly and every 4-6 weeks do a water
change. Only about 25-30% at the most. It's a matter of feeding the fish.
If you don't want to use any chemicals, start by doing water changes. Do a
water change every day, 20% ONLY and no more. Condition the new water and
make sure the temp is the same when you add it. Keep doing this until the
water is clear. You can clean off the algae with a scraper ahead of time so
the vacuum gets the fallen algae. You said you have no light. Is the tank
near a sunny window? Does it get lots of natural light? If so, moving the
tank will help. If not, cut down on how much you feed the fish. Most people
over feed fish. Goldfish are pigs and will act starving every minute of the
day. You can feed the fish once or even 3 times day as long as it's not too
much. Feed very, very small amounts and make sure the fish are eating what
you feed. Once you see flakes or crumbs falling onto the rocks, stop
feeding. If you use flake food, try one flake at a time. That should do the
trick as you say you are changing the filter too.
Once you get it under control, you can buy a pleco if you want also. I like
the pleco's better than the algae eaters. He'll take care of any excess as
long as it's not too much. Then a 25 % water change once a month should do
the trick. Good luck.
Mary B
pink lantern
Hi Shelley,
Unless you want to get a lighting system (expensive) that kills algae, I
suggest you get a heater (if you don't have one, & place a species called a
"Pleco" in the tank. You can buy a small Pleco and as they grow, trade with
your pet store for smaller ones. They are amazing algae eaters and
interesting fish. They do need heat if you don't already have a heater in
the tank. They won't bother your goldfish and hide during the day under
rocks, etc... They are not at all expensive and will take care of your algae
problem in no time. You'll only need one with such a small tank.
Jeva, who loves aquaria!
Message: 16
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:39:59 -0400
From: "Shelley & Donald Wurst" <harvest.moon@...>
Subject: OT: need fish tank help
I'm hoping someone here knows something about fish tanks.
HELP!! My son is quite attached to these fish, and is upset that he can't
see them in their tank anymore. Besides which, that can't be healthy for
them! Thanks to anyone who has experience with this sort of thing! I kept
tropical fish in a 29 gallon aquarium for years without this problem, can't
figure out what I'm doing wrong this time around!
--Shelley, Mommy to Jacob (2 1/2 yrs) and Gabriel (4 mos)
Unless you want to get a lighting system (expensive) that kills algae, I
suggest you get a heater (if you don't have one, & place a species called a
"Pleco" in the tank. You can buy a small Pleco and as they grow, trade with
your pet store for smaller ones. They are amazing algae eaters and
interesting fish. They do need heat if you don't already have a heater in
the tank. They won't bother your goldfish and hide during the day under
rocks, etc... They are not at all expensive and will take care of your algae
problem in no time. You'll only need one with such a small tank.
Jeva, who loves aquaria!
Message: 16
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:39:59 -0400
From: "Shelley & Donald Wurst" <harvest.moon@...>
Subject: OT: need fish tank help
I'm hoping someone here knows something about fish tanks.
HELP!! My son is quite attached to these fish, and is upset that he can't
see them in their tank anymore. Besides which, that can't be healthy for
them! Thanks to anyone who has experience with this sort of thing! I kept
tropical fish in a 29 gallon aquarium for years without this problem, can't
figure out what I'm doing wrong this time around!
--Shelley, Mommy to Jacob (2 1/2 yrs) and Gabriel (4 mos)
Mary
From: "pink lantern" <pinklantern@...>
<<"Pleco" in the tank. You can buy a small Pleco and as they grow, trade
with
your pet store for smaller ones. They are amazing algae eaters and
interesting fish. They do need heat if you don't already have a heater in
the tank. >>
Unless you have a really cold house for quite awhile, pleco's and a lot of
other fish don't need heaters. I have no heaters on my tanks and my fish do
fine when our temps go down to the 40's and 50's. Keeping the house warm and
pretty steady is all that is needed.
Mary B
<<"Pleco" in the tank. You can buy a small Pleco and as they grow, trade
with
your pet store for smaller ones. They are amazing algae eaters and
interesting fish. They do need heat if you don't already have a heater in
the tank. >>
Unless you have a really cold house for quite awhile, pleco's and a lot of
other fish don't need heaters. I have no heaters on my tanks and my fish do
fine when our temps go down to the 40's and 50's. Keeping the house warm and
pretty steady is all that is needed.
Mary B
Bill and Diane
We have a sucker-mouth catfish to keep our glass clean. If the water is
also cloudy, you're probably overfeeding. Our book said to feed the fish
only as much as they'd eat in 3 minutes, twice a day. It also said to
NOT feed them one day a week, and not if you're going out of town for
less than a week. We went away for 4 days and came back to a *beautiful*
tank. No cloudiness, no algae.
They said the algae grows on the overfeeding and will also grow more
with plenty of light (like sunlight).
Good luck!
:-) Diane
also cloudy, you're probably overfeeding. Our book said to feed the fish
only as much as they'd eat in 3 minutes, twice a day. It also said to
NOT feed them one day a week, and not if you're going out of town for
less than a week. We went away for 4 days and came back to a *beautiful*
tank. No cloudiness, no algae.
They said the algae grows on the overfeeding and will also grow more
with plenty of light (like sunlight).
Good luck!
:-) Diane
>I'm hoping someone here knows something about fish tanks.
>
>My son has 3 goldfish in a 10 gallon aquarium tank, and we have an out of control algae problem.
>
Shelley & Donald Wurst
Thanks very much for all the answers!
Yes, the tank does get direct sunlight in the afternoon -- I was suspecting that might be part of the problem. I will try moving it to another locale.
Thanks so much for the specifics about % water changes to do, Mary. Could you please explain what you mean by "conditioning" the water before I add it? I haven't done pH testing, etc (was trying to be simple this time around, cuz they're "just" goldfish --- am starting to think I would have been better off setting up an entire tropical tank!).
And I'll be off to find a pleco! (Any excuse for a new critter, LOL)
--Shelley, Mommy to Jacob (2 1/2 yrs) and Gabriel (4 mos)
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Yes, the tank does get direct sunlight in the afternoon -- I was suspecting that might be part of the problem. I will try moving it to another locale.
Thanks so much for the specifics about % water changes to do, Mary. Could you please explain what you mean by "conditioning" the water before I add it? I haven't done pH testing, etc (was trying to be simple this time around, cuz they're "just" goldfish --- am starting to think I would have been better off setting up an entire tropical tank!).
And I'll be off to find a pleco! (Any excuse for a new critter, LOL)
--Shelley, Mommy to Jacob (2 1/2 yrs) and Gabriel (4 mos)
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AMY DELORENZO
you can try and control the problem naturally--add some plecostomus (not sure if that's spelled right, but they're algae eaters) or some snails. both of those will eat the algae, and I'm sure there are other fish of the same appetite that I'm not thinking of at the moment. hope that helps.
erika
erika
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From: Shelley & Donald Wurst
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Subject: [Unschooling-Discussion] OT: need fish tank help
I'm hoping someone here knows something about fish tanks.
My son has 3 goldfish in a 10 gallon aquarium tank, and we have an out of control algae problem. We are running a small Whisper brand filter, change the cartridge regularly, and have an aeration strip in the tank. There is no heater and no light other than the natural room light. We have small rocks in the bottom of the tank, a few decorative larger aquarium rocks. The goldfish are just small "feeder fish" (maybe 2 inches in length), and have a ton of room in there. We are keeping the glass algae-free by scraping, and we change 3/4 of the water in the tank by suction vaccuming from the bottom of the tank, then adding fresh water back in in small batches (allowing it to come to room temperature first). Still, the water is a dense green color, so thick that you can't see the fish unless they are right at the edge, and can't see the rocks.
I've resorted to trying a chemical algicide, but it seems to not have any effect at the reccommended dosages, and I'm afraid to go any stronger with it.
HELP!! My son is quite attached to these fish, and is upset that he can't see them in their tank anymore. Besides which, that can't be healthy for them! Thanks to anyone who has experience with this sort of thing! I kept tropical fish in a 29 gallon aquarium for years without this problem, can't figure out what I'm doing wrong this time around!
--Shelley, Mommy to Jacob (2 1/2 yrs) and Gabriel (4 mos)
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nellebelle
Just to present another view...
I use water straight from the tap, that I add a water conditioner purchased at the pet store. (Just ask at the pet shop, they'll know what you mean.) Our tap water is fairly cold in the winter and warmish in the summer, but I figure that water temperatures in nature vary too.
Mary Ellen
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I use water straight from the tap, that I add a water conditioner purchased at the pet store. (Just ask at the pet shop, they'll know what you mean.) Our tap water is fairly cold in the winter and warmish in the summer, but I figure that water temperatures in nature vary too.
Mary Ellen
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Mary
From: "nellebelle" <nellebelle@...>
<<I use water straight from the tap, that I add a water conditioner
purchased at the pet store. (Just ask at the pet shop, they'll know what
you mean.) Our tap water is fairly cold in the winter and warmish in the
summer, but I figure that water temperatures in nature vary too.>>
I also use tap water and just use Amquel to condition it. The conditioner
takes out the chlorine, chloramines and ammonia from any water. I wait about
15 minutes before I add the new water but if it's less than a gallon I wait
only about 5 minutes. There was a time when my county water could be added
to the tank without any conditioning at all. That was years ago and those
days are gone. When bringing home new fish or after a stressful situation, I
use Stress Coat instead of the Amquel. It does the same thing but also adds
a slime coat for the fish to fight disease and stress.
I just recently got the cutest little 2.5 tank for the girls room. It's teal
and the whole kit came with everything except gravel and plants for $22.00.
It even has a little light. It's a beta tank and has a plastic grill that
can fit down the middle of the tank separating the two sides. So one can
keep 2 bettas in one tank. We got it because we have an especially nasty
platy that chases and traumatizes every fish he's ever been with. So now
he's on one side and we have a new Mickey Mouse platy on the other side.
Brand new tank and both doing well.
Mary B
<<I use water straight from the tap, that I add a water conditioner
purchased at the pet store. (Just ask at the pet shop, they'll know what
you mean.) Our tap water is fairly cold in the winter and warmish in the
summer, but I figure that water temperatures in nature vary too.>>
I also use tap water and just use Amquel to condition it. The conditioner
takes out the chlorine, chloramines and ammonia from any water. I wait about
15 minutes before I add the new water but if it's less than a gallon I wait
only about 5 minutes. There was a time when my county water could be added
to the tank without any conditioning at all. That was years ago and those
days are gone. When bringing home new fish or after a stressful situation, I
use Stress Coat instead of the Amquel. It does the same thing but also adds
a slime coat for the fish to fight disease and stress.
I just recently got the cutest little 2.5 tank for the girls room. It's teal
and the whole kit came with everything except gravel and plants for $22.00.
It even has a little light. It's a beta tank and has a plastic grill that
can fit down the middle of the tank separating the two sides. So one can
keep 2 bettas in one tank. We got it because we have an especially nasty
platy that chases and traumatizes every fish he's ever been with. So now
he's on one side and we have a new Mickey Mouse platy on the other side.
Brand new tank and both doing well.
Mary B
Alan & Brenda Leonard
7/17/03 22:41:
one of these fish from a friend who's in Iraq now, the tank was cleaner than
it's ever been.
My son called it an "allergy eater" until we got into the basics of "algae".
brenda
> Also we have a placostamus (?spelling). "sucker fish" that helps keep theThis is the only thing that's ever worked for us. 2 days after we inherited
> glass clean.
one of these fish from a friend who's in Iraq now, the tank was cleaner than
it's ever been.
My son called it an "allergy eater" until we got into the basics of "algae".
brenda
Shelley & Donald Wurst
>I also use tap water and just use Amquel to condition it. The conditionerMary, I have well water, with no contaminants (measurable anyway) or chemicals. It is hard water, so lots of minerals. Do I still need to condition? I am going to ask about it at the pet store today (while picking out our pleco -- thanks everyone for the suggestion!), but I'm not sure I trust what these "kids" say. Maybe I'll travel a little further to a specialty fish shop and ask my questions there.
>takes out the chlorine, chloramines and ammonia from any water. I wait about
>15 minutes before I add the new water but if it's less than a gallon I wait
>only about 5 minutes.
Someone else mentioned snails?!?! That's a thought that appeals to me! Anyone else use them in their tanks? I think Jacob would love that. Maybe I'll get both a pleco and a snail.
Thanks too to everyone who suggested overfeeding as a possibililty. I know that's not it, I hardly feed these guys anything (and as a result they've not grown much since we've had them -- about 10 mos). I'm confused as to why this problem started so long after we set up the tank, but am thinking that the change of the position of the sun and the overall increase in room temperature probably had something to do with it.
Thanks again to everyone for the input!
--Shelley, Mommy to Jacob (2 1/2 yrs) and Gabriel (4 mos)
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Mary
From: "Shelley & Donald Wurst" <harvest.moon@...>
<< Mary, I have well water, with no contaminants (measurable anyway) or
chemicals. It is hard water, so lots of minerals. Do I still need to
condition? I am going to ask about it at the pet store today (while picking
out our pleco -- thanks everyone for the suggestion!), but I'm not sure I
trust what these "kids" say. Maybe I'll travel a little further to a
specialty fish shop and ask my questions there.>>
Have you been using the well water for the tanks without treating it? If so,
and the fish are fine, then no need to worry about it now. Goldfish are
especially hearty and can endure a lot. The only thing I have heard about
well water has to do with vertain gases in the water. That these gases, not
sure what they are, can alter ph. So you have a high ph and then it
decreases quickly. Certain fish would be real sensitive to that. If you
haven't had any problems, I wouldn't worry about it now. Maybe if you ever
consider other fish though, let the well water set for a couple of hours
first before adding it to the tank.
<< Someone else mentioned snails?!?! That's a thought that appeals to me!
Anyone else use them in their tanks? I think Jacob would love that. Maybe
I'll get both a pleco and a snail.>>
Snails are good too. Then only bad thing I've heard about snails is they are
very prolific. Before you know it, you can have a whole tank of snails. The
last fish we got had a couple of small snails in the bag. When I asked about
them, the guy just said that the fish may eat them, they were small, and if
not, just keep a watch on them. If there got to be too many, take them out.
No big deal really.
Mary B
<< Mary, I have well water, with no contaminants (measurable anyway) or
chemicals. It is hard water, so lots of minerals. Do I still need to
condition? I am going to ask about it at the pet store today (while picking
out our pleco -- thanks everyone for the suggestion!), but I'm not sure I
trust what these "kids" say. Maybe I'll travel a little further to a
specialty fish shop and ask my questions there.>>
Have you been using the well water for the tanks without treating it? If so,
and the fish are fine, then no need to worry about it now. Goldfish are
especially hearty and can endure a lot. The only thing I have heard about
well water has to do with vertain gases in the water. That these gases, not
sure what they are, can alter ph. So you have a high ph and then it
decreases quickly. Certain fish would be real sensitive to that. If you
haven't had any problems, I wouldn't worry about it now. Maybe if you ever
consider other fish though, let the well water set for a couple of hours
first before adding it to the tank.
<< Someone else mentioned snails?!?! That's a thought that appeals to me!
Anyone else use them in their tanks? I think Jacob would love that. Maybe
I'll get both a pleco and a snail.>>
Snails are good too. Then only bad thing I've heard about snails is they are
very prolific. Before you know it, you can have a whole tank of snails. The
last fish we got had a couple of small snails in the bag. When I asked about
them, the guy just said that the fish may eat them, they were small, and if
not, just keep a watch on them. If there got to be too many, take them out.
No big deal really.
Mary B
Shelley & Donald Wurst
>If youThanks, Mary! I let it set a couple hours anyway, to come to room temp first.
>haven't had any problems, I wouldn't worry about it now. Maybe if you ever
>consider other fish though, let the well water set for a couple of hours
>first before adding it to the tank.
Went out and bought our Pleco today! (And a hamster -- now how did THAT happen?!?! <G>) Gotta stay OUT of that pet store....
--Shelley, Mommy to Jacob (2 1/2 yrs) and Gabriel (4 mos)
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Mary
From: "Shelley & Donald Wurst" <harvest.moon@...>
<< Thanks, Mary! I let it set a couple hours anyway, to come to room temp
first.
Went out and bought our Pleco today! (And a hamster -- now how did THAT
happen?!?! <G>) Gotta stay OUT of that pet store....>>
Your welcome. You should be fine then.
Today Joe and I went to Petsmart to get a small fish tank for a birthday
present. Well $60.00 later, and no not all on the present, we were checking
out. I swiped the debit card and punched in numbers so fast, Joe just looked
at me and said, "shop here a lot????" I shudder to see how much I spend
there. One or two new fish die, I take them back and get a few dollars
credit, new replacement fish and then add on another 20-30 dollars. It never
fails!!! I love Petsmart and my critters!!!
Mary B
<< Thanks, Mary! I let it set a couple hours anyway, to come to room temp
first.
Went out and bought our Pleco today! (And a hamster -- now how did THAT
happen?!?! <G>) Gotta stay OUT of that pet store....>>
Your welcome. You should be fine then.
Today Joe and I went to Petsmart to get a small fish tank for a birthday
present. Well $60.00 later, and no not all on the present, we were checking
out. I swiped the debit card and punched in numbers so fast, Joe just looked
at me and said, "shop here a lot????" I shudder to see how much I spend
there. One or two new fish die, I take them back and get a few dollars
credit, new replacement fish and then add on another 20-30 dollars. It never
fails!!! I love Petsmart and my critters!!!
Mary B