nellebelle

>>>>>>We've become a society who believes the media, no questions asked, &
the dairy industry is a big money maker...for political figures
especially.>>

I bet that most people on this list do not believe everything they read.
Questioning public school often opens the door to questioning everything!

When the food pyramid was developed about 10 years ago, it was going to be
the other way around - with grains on top and sugar/fat on the bottom. The
meat and dairy industries lobbied to flip it over, because they did NOT want
people to think that grains, fruits, and vegetables (as shown at the top of
the pyramid) are more important than dairy and meat. Hmm. The USDA is
currently revising their recomendations, again. I have a copy of one of my
mom's books from nurses training in the 50's. Back then the pyramid was
like a wheel. Eggs and ice cream daily, but also citrus and leafy greens
daily. USDA keeps searching for a way to give the public simple but
healthful dietary recomendations. Meanwhile our groceries are full of
plenty of not so nutritious foods to choose from.

It is very difficult to "prove" theories on food and nutrition. It is hard
to find subjects who will follow very specific diets 100%, and even then the
experiments just can't continue long term. Even then, there are so many
other factors that impact health - genetics, environment, exercise, mental
health, proximity to pollution, and more.

Anecdotal evidence of how people feel when they change their diet or other
habits means something, but it simply cannot prove that one factor will
result in the same change in all people.

I do have many concerns about the handling and processing of foodstuff.
Chemicals, colors, high-tech processing, food that is old by the time it
reaches the consumer, yada, yada. Yes, people need to inform themselves
from more than one source. Unfortunately, many people never have the chance
to learn to trust their own bodies and easily become victims of the latest
dietary fads.

Mary Ellen

Paula Sjogerman

on 6/24/03 7:40 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:

Has anyone had any luck with diet and acne? My 13 yr old is the only one of
her friends with bad skin (not super bad, but persistent). She eats ok,
loves milk, has never had allergies or other skin problems. It's also
probably genetic too, since I was the same. I am resistant to taking her to
a dermatologist, though.


I'll take any other suggestions also.

Thanks,
Paula

Deborah Lewis

***Has anyone had any luck with diet and acne? ***

Zinc is supposed to help with acne, and seemed to with mine when I
started getting acne in my thirties.

***I am resistant to taking her to
a dermatologist, ***

I agree about the dermatologist. They mostly prescribe topical drying
agents or, in severe cases, antibiotics.

Deb L

[email protected]

In a message dated 6/25/2003 9:30:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:

They mostly prescribe topical drying
> agents or, in severe cases, antibiotics.

It doesn't have to be a severe case to get antibiotics. You just have to show
up!

~Kelly


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kayb85

My husband suffered with acne during his teen years. It wasn't until
one of our kids had a milk allergy and we learned that one of the
common symptoms of milk allergies is acne that he realized that's
what it was. His acne always got worse in the winter and better in
the summer. He now realizes it was because he drank tons of milk in
the winter but drank mostly kool-aid type drinks in the summer.

Try omitting milk and milk products for 2-3 and see what happens!
(But you have to omit it completely--read labels, make sure you don't
eat cake that was made with milk, make sure there's no cheese in the
casseroles you eat, etc.

Sheila

> Has anyone had any luck with diet and acne? My 13 yr old is the
only one of
> her friends with bad skin (not super bad, but persistent). She eats
ok,
> loves milk, has never had allergies or other skin problems. It's
also
> probably genetic too, since I was the same. I am resistant to
taking her to
> a dermatologist, though.
>
>
> I'll take any other suggestions also.
>
> Thanks,
> Paula

[email protected]

In a message dated 6/25/2003 9:41:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sheran@...
writes:

> Has anyone had any luck with diet and acne? My 13 yr old is the
> only one of
> >her friends with bad skin (not super bad, but persistent). She eats
> ok,
> >loves milk, has never had allergies or other skin problems. It's
> also
> >probably genetic too, since I was the same. I am resistant to
> taking her to
> >a dermatologist, though.
> >
>

One component to acne that we found with my third teenager was infection. It
LOOKS just like any acne, and they aren't those really huge red swollen
obviously infected spots. Just your run of the mill acne not even what I would
consider really bad acne, compared to some of their friends.

It was found quite by accident when during a particularly bad (for him) break
out he was also put on antibiotics for strep throat. By the time the
antibiotics were gone there wasn't a trace of acne, not for many weeks after. We
didn't really get the connection of the antibiotics until probably almost a year
later when he had a pretty bad break out (and he gets it on his back and
face), he seems to think when he sweats a lot, like during baseball season, he gets
lots of breakouts. He's also extra tired during this time and extra busy and
seems to always get strep at the end of the season. Once again antibiotics
(which I am NOT suggesting that you take just for acne but saying it appears
with my children at least that their is a component of infection involved)
completely cleared up all acne on his face and back. My older son tucked that
thought away and he tells me when he gets a bad break out he takes antibiotics and
it goes right away. Instead of just traditional antibiotics prescribed by a
doctor, I know there are many other remedies that could suit this purpose.
Maybe an antibacterial soap instead of the specialized acne soap? I know there
are probably lots of other things that you all have tried successfully and I'm
anxious to hear your replies.

Also one other thing, have any of you with teenagers noticed your child that
has relatively clear skin but occasional breakouts gets more breakouts if they
are dating a girl/boy with severe acne? I don't think this is possible but
one son was dating a girl with just horrible acne and her parents would do
nothing about it, he ALWAYS got really bad acne when he was with her (nothing to
do with eating the same foods, etc.) I bought her some skin cleansers and acne
remedies and she cleared up some, he cleared up a lot. Later when she had
used all the products and was back with the horrible acne, he got it pretty bad
again. When he stopped dating her, he gets a couple minor outbreaks a year.

Doesn't make sense to me unless it is some kind of infection based and that
with their heads umm lips and such always together it was spread. I watched
that for about two years and always wondered if anyone else noticed anything
similar?

What did the dermatologist say? He said a certain type of acne does react to
antibiotics and a good dermatologist will use antibiotics before prescribing
some of the very harsh medications for acne, many times it works. I asked
about "spreading it" he said infection travels, germs intermingle, it happens
with teenagers. But I've never really read anything like that anywhere and he
was treating us for a different skin condition so I hated to press him more at
the time.

Anyone notice anything like this?
glena

glena


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Betsy

**Has anyone had any luck with diet and acne? My 13 yr old is the only
one of
her friends with bad skin (not super bad, but persistent). She eats ok,
loves milk, has never had allergies or other skin problems. It's also
probably genetic too, since I was the same. I am resistant to taking her to
a dermatologist, though.**


Hi, Paula --

I'd consider encouraging her to do a trial of dairy-free eating. My
brother was a dairy-lover with bad acne. When he was prescribed
tetracycline, he actually couldn't take it at all regularly because (as
I recall) one had to not consume dairy for an hour before taking a pill.
He was rarely able to do that. He had severe cystic acne and his back
was badly scarred and bumpy. (It still is, and he's over 40.) He feels
the acne has really blighted his life. As an adult experimenting with
improving his nutrition he has recently given up drinking milk and feels
that this is healthier for him. (I'd ask him for more info, but it's
too early to call him this morning.)

As an adult my mom consistenly gets diarrhea from eating dairy products,
and I sometimes do which somewhat supports the idea that my brother has
a physical response to dairy.

Betsy

[email protected]

Has anyone had any luck with diet and acne? My 13 yr old is the
only one of
>her friends with bad skin (not super bad, but persistent). She eats
ok,
>loves milk, has never had allergies or other skin problems. It's
also
>probably genetic too, since I was the same. I am resistant to
taking her to
>a dermatologist, though

It's possible the acne is a build up of toxins in her system, you might ask a
local massage therapist if lymph system massage is available ~ it really
helps move the *gunk* (for lack of a better word) out of your system (via
digestive tract) so it's not trickling out thru your skin.

diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
“Relationships are a prerequisite for producing results beyond ourselves.
They expand our imaginations to infinite possibilities that cannot exist in a
life of isolation." --Brian Koslow


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[email protected]

In a message dated 6/25/03 10:02:30 AM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:

<< Also one other thing, have any of you with teenagers noticed your child
that
has relatively clear skin but occasional breakouts gets more breakouts if
they
are dating a girl/boy with severe acne? >>

Maybe it's the stress of the dating. With anything that's kind of indwelling
(herpes/cold sores/acne) it will be worse when there are other infections, or
stress. It's not like one "gets" a cold sore (outside the first time--my
poor husband caught this oral herpes, which it was NOT called in those days--from
me), but the body can keep it under control until the immune system is busy
elsewhere (as I understand it, and as it seems from experience).

I think acne's the same way. The healthier a person is in general, AND THE
HAPPIER!, the less likely the outbreaks will be their worst.

Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 6/25/2003 12:55:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> I think acne's the same way. The healthier a person is in general, AND THE
>
> HAPPIER!, the less likely the outbreaks will be their worst.
>
> Sandra
>

Sandra, those are excellent points, because at his worst break outs he was
sick. But he was what he called at the time deliriously happy and in puppy love
when he was with Chelsea. I don't think John has ever had a stressful moment
in his life, sometimes I wish he'd be a little stressed over something that
is important. Most times I'm just in awe that he can be so utterly unfazed
about things and roll with whatever happens, stressfree!

I, personally am a worrier (like you all haven't noticed) and always like to
at least have an idea of how things will/might turn out.

glena


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Fetteroll

on 6/25/03 1:13 PM, rubyprincesstsg@... at rubyprincesstsg@...
wrote:

> But he was what he called at the time deliriously happy and in puppy love
> when he was with Chelsea.

And yet that can be a stressor too. He'd be chock full of chemicals at a
level his body isn't used to and that's stress, even if they're chemicals
that cause positive feelings. And there's negative aspects too, like wanting
to be together when they have separate obligations and so on.

Joyce

[email protected]

In a message dated 6/26/2003 7:34:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fetteroll@... writes:

> And yet that can be a stressor too. He'd be chock full of chemicals at a
> level his body isn't used to and that's stress, even if they're chemicals
> that cause positive feelings. And there's negative aspects too, like wanting
> to be together when they have separate obligations and so on.
>
>

It is different, you are right, now he tells me he's in BIG DOG LOVE! My
goodness I guess it's wonderful to be 18, sometimes anyway!

glena


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