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kbcdlovejo@... writes:

<< Understanding quite a bit of canine behavior, I will address this:
If he rejects the idea of alpha, he CANNOT choose to stay with the pack;
it's
run on a pack level. Rejecting it, he rejects the pack and would be killed.

He wouldn't survive long without the pack---he's a pack animal.

The idea of a wolf rejecting the pack IS delusional. Survival of the
fittest.
Different "don't work".

~Kelly
>>


So why the expression, "lone wolf", I wonder?

It was my impression that a wolf will, indeed, sometimes leave the pack. But
that they then attempt to build their own or join another pack.

I will admit that my knowledge is limited to PBS nature shows, tho, lol.

~Aimee

Deborah Lewis

***It was my impression that a wolf will, indeed, sometimes leave the
pack.***

A wolf might challenge the alpha male or female (for rank) and be ejected
from the pack or killed.

In Yellowstone park a couple of years ago the alpha female of the Druid
Peak pack, was killed by other pack females who apparently successfully
mounted a coup. Her sister had built a den the year before and the
alpha female forced her out. After the alpha female's death (murder)
her sister began moving her pups into the alpha den. In wolf packs only
the alpha pair is the breeding pair. There was insubordination in the
ranks.

That's not about rejecting hierarchy.

Lone wolves might survive for awhile on small pray, but it takes a pack,
cooperation, to bring down large prey. Lone wolves aren't the norm.
Neither are lone humans. Lone wolves, if they live long enough will
form a new pack (where hierarchy exists) or join another pack. Lone
humans sometimes turn out to be Ted Kaczynski types.

Even unschoolers who feel isolated seek out other unschoolers on message
boards and e-mail lists. Even unschooling parents question whether
their children have enough play time with other children.

Deb L

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ddzimlew@... writes:

<< ***It was my impression that a wolf will, indeed, sometimes leave the
pack.***

A wolf might challenge the alpha male or female (for rank) and be ejected
from the pack or killed.
>>

Ah, if they don't win the fight, but survive it, they've gotta go. I gotcha.
Thanks for answering.

I am sorry, I'm not going to respond to the rest. My head might explode.
*grin*

~Aimee

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In a message dated 6/24/03 2:14:35 PM, AimeeL73@... writes:

<< So why the expression, "lone wolf", I wonder?

It was my impression that a wolf will, indeed, sometimes leave the pack. But
that they then attempt to build their own or join another pack. >>

The claim to which Kelly was responding was that a wolf could choose to
reject the idea of "alpha male," yet choose to remain with the pack.

Sandra