Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]Angie, Paxil: was ( Re: Help with Defooding Again)
Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani
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Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Help with Defooding Again
ang, who was doing well with undieting until I got on Paxil for PPD
and i am finally getting back where i left off
**************************
Ang,
Are you getting off of Paxil now? I'm going off. I'm on day three of the weaning. If you want to go off and haven't yet tried, please don't cut it cold turkey. Very horrible withdrawal symptoms.
You can write me off list if you wish. My NP said the process of getting off will take 21 days.
Hope you are doing well,
Nichole
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unolist
--- In [email protected], "Nichole Fausey-
Khosraviani" <ms_fausey@y...> wrote:
please don't cut it cold turkey. Very horrible withdrawal symptoms.
this year, 2003. I was prescribed in nov of 2001. I was only given a
six month prescription. Do the math LOL. I had a history of PPD with
my second child, and was given a sample of Prozac. I didn't do more
than a month with that and thought I was fine. Well with number three
child, he was 3 months old, sept 11th happened, and a baby on the
message board born at the same time died of a heart problem. And the
lady in texas in the news who drowned her children. I thought there
must be more to life than being tormented and miserable for no
logical reason. I went to the doc and she said you have a choice, and
I said paxil because i saw commercials that paxil handles depression
and anxiety. I am suspectible to both. I didn't research it, and
started taking it. I went back a week later and told the doc of weird
symptoms, she dismissed them. Several months later I had my husband
and SIL over because I thought I was going crazy. I didn't take it
straight as dosed for more than a month. But every time I tried to
quit, I got horrible brain zaps and dizziness. They called my doc,
and she said oh you can't just quit, do half a pill every day for a
week and half a pill every other day for a week, and you will be
fine. NOPE! I was doing half a pill every four or five days for
months, because the withdrawals kept coming back over and over. It
was hell. Finally i read somewhere (quitpaxil.org?) that taking
prozac while withdrawing really helps, so i found my sample in the
linen closet from my second child PPD, and took it for ten days. It
did the trick. It wasn't easy, but easy enough for me to finally be
done with it. They don't call it Pax-hell for nothing. I hope you are
successful getting off of it in 21 days, if not, feel free to contact
me offlist! I didn't trust my doc enough to get more help from her,
after all i went through.
Ironically, in light of all the myers briggs personality discussions,
another forum listed a personality quiz that I took, and it nailed me
as a type four individualist, who can be self hating and to the
extreme, suicidal. been there, done that, many times. just who i am,
i guess. i don't trust antidepressants, my husband knows my warning
signs, and we always get through it.
ang-the resilient introvert, who loves life and would never want to
die, but when in the pit of despair, wishes she could just freeze
reality and not have to go through the torment anymore. more than i
intended to share, but there it is, maybe it will help someone or
give me insight.
Khosraviani" <ms_fausey@y...> wrote:
> Ang,three of the weaning. If you want to go off and haven't yet tried,
> Are you getting off of Paxil now? I'm going off. I'm on day
please don't cut it cold turkey. Very horrible withdrawal symptoms.
>getting off will take 21 days.
> You can write me off list if you wish. My NP said the process of
>it took me much longer than 21 days. I just got done in january of
> Hope you are doing well,
> Nichole
>
this year, 2003. I was prescribed in nov of 2001. I was only given a
six month prescription. Do the math LOL. I had a history of PPD with
my second child, and was given a sample of Prozac. I didn't do more
than a month with that and thought I was fine. Well with number three
child, he was 3 months old, sept 11th happened, and a baby on the
message board born at the same time died of a heart problem. And the
lady in texas in the news who drowned her children. I thought there
must be more to life than being tormented and miserable for no
logical reason. I went to the doc and she said you have a choice, and
I said paxil because i saw commercials that paxil handles depression
and anxiety. I am suspectible to both. I didn't research it, and
started taking it. I went back a week later and told the doc of weird
symptoms, she dismissed them. Several months later I had my husband
and SIL over because I thought I was going crazy. I didn't take it
straight as dosed for more than a month. But every time I tried to
quit, I got horrible brain zaps and dizziness. They called my doc,
and she said oh you can't just quit, do half a pill every day for a
week and half a pill every other day for a week, and you will be
fine. NOPE! I was doing half a pill every four or five days for
months, because the withdrawals kept coming back over and over. It
was hell. Finally i read somewhere (quitpaxil.org?) that taking
prozac while withdrawing really helps, so i found my sample in the
linen closet from my second child PPD, and took it for ten days. It
did the trick. It wasn't easy, but easy enough for me to finally be
done with it. They don't call it Pax-hell for nothing. I hope you are
successful getting off of it in 21 days, if not, feel free to contact
me offlist! I didn't trust my doc enough to get more help from her,
after all i went through.
Ironically, in light of all the myers briggs personality discussions,
another forum listed a personality quiz that I took, and it nailed me
as a type four individualist, who can be self hating and to the
extreme, suicidal. been there, done that, many times. just who i am,
i guess. i don't trust antidepressants, my husband knows my warning
signs, and we always get through it.
ang-the resilient introvert, who loves life and would never want to
die, but when in the pit of despair, wishes she could just freeze
reality and not have to go through the torment anymore. more than i
intended to share, but there it is, maybe it will help someone or
give me insight.
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/18/03 10:10:05 AM, unolist@... writes:
<< I had a history of PPD with
my second child, and was given a sample of Prozac. I didn't do more
than a month with that and thought I was fine. >>
If Prozac seemed helpful once, why did you go on to Paxil? Because Prozac
isn't advertising helping with anxiety?
Seems to me a couple of things. Anxiety can come from depression (trying to
reason with yourself when your brain's not functioning well, and freaking out).
And I was on and off Prozac a couple of times in the past, once for less than
a year, once for just a few months. When I was better, I slacked off. Both
times the "coming on" and going off responses were the same as (pardon the
reference) the beginnings and ends of LSD. Tingling in the surface of the arms,
and a kind of "huh?" in the peripheral vision. Slight nerve and perception
twinges (brain kinda sending out feelers, getting used to change of chemical,
on either end) and not worse.
The Paxil stories sound really frightening. And for people who are already
feeling like death wouldn't be so bad, giving something that [unstable??] seems
scary.
Sandra
<< I had a history of PPD with
my second child, and was given a sample of Prozac. I didn't do more
than a month with that and thought I was fine. >>
If Prozac seemed helpful once, why did you go on to Paxil? Because Prozac
isn't advertising helping with anxiety?
Seems to me a couple of things. Anxiety can come from depression (trying to
reason with yourself when your brain's not functioning well, and freaking out).
And I was on and off Prozac a couple of times in the past, once for less than
a year, once for just a few months. When I was better, I slacked off. Both
times the "coming on" and going off responses were the same as (pardon the
reference) the beginnings and ends of LSD. Tingling in the surface of the arms,
and a kind of "huh?" in the peripheral vision. Slight nerve and perception
twinges (brain kinda sending out feelers, getting used to change of chemical,
on either end) and not worse.
The Paxil stories sound really frightening. And for people who are already
feeling like death wouldn't be so bad, giving something that [unstable??] seems
scary.
Sandra
Heidi
>already
> The Paxil stories sound really frightening. And for people who are
> feeling like death wouldn't be so bad, giving something that[unstable??] seems
> scary.Sandra,
>
> Sandra
Having been a victi...er, patient...under another dastardly anti-d
(Effexor, or, as I like to call it "Evil Effexor" L) and having been
told by the NP who prescribed it (For weight loss!!! ) that it had no
serious side effects AND that getting it out of my system would take
7 days (and it took a month of cold turkey, and two days of complete
bed rest, due to the Brain Wobbles and Eyeball Jerks, in the first
few days)...I strongly believe that these Seratonin uptake inhibitors
(Such as paxil and effexor) were experimental when they were put on
the market. IOW, Effexor was not tested much before it was put out. I
was taking it in early 98, for about six months.
And boy, HOWDY did they all LOVE these new handy-dandy cure-alls. The
NP who prescribed them to me dished em out like a PEZ dispenser. She
happened to have her office with an OB, and my best friend was crying
there one day after an appointment w/the OB...for some marital
difficulties... and this woman, NOT my friend's "health practitioner"
but just a bystander...said "Maybe you should consider an anti-
depressant" Because she was CRYING??? about a really stressful TIME
IN HER LIFE??? sheesh!
When I was coming off, and could sit up and walk around a bit, I
found an online "get off of effexor" group, and the talk there was
all similar to this: bad side effects getting off, and health
professionals saying NOTHING about it...or saying the opposite, as in
my case...and it wasn't until years later that I had a Dr. tell
me, "yes, they found out about (Side) Effexor's side effects from
PATIENT REPORTS."
grrrr...the irresponsibility of the medical community still burns me
up, these five years later.
HeidiC </rant>
unolist
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
of pill for my depression. I don't think I took the prozac long
enough to really get any kind of benefit from it, i felt silly taking
it so I stopped.
that's why i thought the paxil would suit me better. Exactly why. I
don't suffer panic attacks, but just worry too much about stuff. I
worried about going and making an appointment to deal with it.
have so many problems stopping it, that they keep on taking it
because they feel crazy when they don't. Crazier than they were to
begin with. The manufacturers say it's not addictive. I did research
at the website to see about the side effects, but i relied on the
manufacturer's word. I wished i had found quitpaxil.org and
paxilprogress.org beforehand.
So yeah, i'm an idiot. Too proud to need medication, too strong to
not fight this on my own. I talked to very few people about it, no
one understood when I did. I got laughed at, dismissed, looked at
weird.
I don't even know why I'm discussing it now. Maybe this is the first
I have really felt comfortable discussing things with people that
most other people don't understand.
After the paxil incident, i trust antidepressents even less. Who the
hell can you trust, anyway?
ang, not without her issues
>Prozac
> In a message dated 6/18/03 10:10:05 AM, unolist@a... writes:
>
> << I had a history of PPD with
>
> my second child, and was given a sample of Prozac. I didn't do more
>
> than a month with that and thought I was fine. >>
>
> If Prozac seemed helpful once, why did you go on to Paxil? Because
> isn't advertising helping with anxiety?Because I'm an idiot! I fought myself for years to ever take any kind
of pill for my depression. I don't think I took the prozac long
enough to really get any kind of benefit from it, i felt silly taking
it so I stopped.
> Seems to me a couple of things. Anxiety can come from depression(trying to
> reason with yourself when your brain's not functioning well, andfreaking out).
that's why i thought the paxil would suit me better. Exactly why. I
don't suffer panic attacks, but just worry too much about stuff. I
worried about going and making an appointment to deal with it.
>already
> The Paxil stories sound really frightening. And for people who are
> feeling like death wouldn't be so bad, giving something that[unstable??] seems
> scary.It's bizarre. I think it's all about the $$$$. People take it, and
>
> Sandra
have so many problems stopping it, that they keep on taking it
because they feel crazy when they don't. Crazier than they were to
begin with. The manufacturers say it's not addictive. I did research
at the website to see about the side effects, but i relied on the
manufacturer's word. I wished i had found quitpaxil.org and
paxilprogress.org beforehand.
So yeah, i'm an idiot. Too proud to need medication, too strong to
not fight this on my own. I talked to very few people about it, no
one understood when I did. I got laughed at, dismissed, looked at
weird.
I don't even know why I'm discussing it now. Maybe this is the first
I have really felt comfortable discussing things with people that
most other people don't understand.
After the paxil incident, i trust antidepressents even less. Who the
hell can you trust, anyway?
ang, not without her issues
Have A Nice Day!
Wow, I googled for more info on these drugs. I have a friend who had a TERRIBLE time getting off of Paxil. I, on the other hand, have taken Prozac for several years. It has been a huge help to me.
And I've been able to go "cold turkey" off and on for a few months without any problems at all.
I just read though that prozac is easier to come off of than Paxil because it lasts longer in the body, (Kind of tapers itself). THat explains a lot.
Just thought i'd pass that tid bit along. Maybe for those who need to come off of Paxil, they should switch to Prozac and go from there.
Kristen
And I've been able to go "cold turkey" off and on for a few months without any problems at all.
I just read though that prozac is easier to come off of than Paxil because it lasts longer in the body, (Kind of tapers itself). THat explains a lot.
Just thought i'd pass that tid bit along. Maybe for those who need to come off of Paxil, they should switch to Prozac and go from there.
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: unolist
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:44 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom]Angie, Paxil: was ( Re: Help with Defooding Again)
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/18/03 10:10:05 AM, unolist@a... writes:
>
> << I had a history of PPD with
>
> my second child, and was given a sample of Prozac. I didn't do more
>
> than a month with that and thought I was fine. >>
>
> If Prozac seemed helpful once, why did you go on to Paxil? Because
Prozac
> isn't advertising helping with anxiety?
Because I'm an idiot! I fought myself for years to ever take any kind
of pill for my depression. I don't think I took the prozac long
enough to really get any kind of benefit from it, i felt silly taking
it so I stopped.
> Seems to me a couple of things. Anxiety can come from depression
(trying to
> reason with yourself when your brain's not functioning well, and
freaking out).
that's why i thought the paxil would suit me better. Exactly why. I
don't suffer panic attacks, but just worry too much about stuff. I
worried about going and making an appointment to deal with it.
>
> The Paxil stories sound really frightening. And for people who are
already
> feeling like death wouldn't be so bad, giving something that
[unstable??] seems
> scary.
>
> Sandra
It's bizarre. I think it's all about the $$$$. People take it, and
have so many problems stopping it, that they keep on taking it
because they feel crazy when they don't. Crazier than they were to
begin with. The manufacturers say it's not addictive. I did research
at the website to see about the side effects, but i relied on the
manufacturer's word. I wished i had found quitpaxil.org and
paxilprogress.org beforehand.
So yeah, i'm an idiot. Too proud to need medication, too strong to
not fight this on my own. I talked to very few people about it, no
one understood when I did. I got laughed at, dismissed, looked at
weird.
I don't even know why I'm discussing it now. Maybe this is the first
I have really felt comfortable discussing things with people that
most other people don't understand.
After the paxil incident, i trust antidepressents even less. Who the
hell can you trust, anyway?
ang, not without her issues
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In a message dated 6/18/03 11:22:36 AM, bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
<< t wasn't until years later that I had a Dr. tell
me, "yes, they found out about (Side) Effexor's side effects from
PATIENT REPORTS." >>
I remember being told in school all about modern science, and how control
groups worked, and how they Never Experiment on Humans.
**snort**
Gradually, as I got older and learned more, I added to that "truth."
They Never Experiment on Humans. . .
Unless they're convicts or soldiers.
Or in state prisons.
Or mothers. Or children.
What it seems in retrospect they meant was they don't experiment on free
adult males.
But perhaps that's too cynical a summary.
Sandra
<< t wasn't until years later that I had a Dr. tell
me, "yes, they found out about (Side) Effexor's side effects from
PATIENT REPORTS." >>
I remember being told in school all about modern science, and how control
groups worked, and how they Never Experiment on Humans.
**snort**
Gradually, as I got older and learned more, I added to that "truth."
They Never Experiment on Humans. . .
Unless they're convicts or soldiers.
Or in state prisons.
Or mothers. Or children.
What it seems in retrospect they meant was they don't experiment on free
adult males.
But perhaps that's too cynical a summary.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/18/03 11:47:01 AM, unolist@... writes:
<< After the paxil incident, i trust antidepressents even less. Who the
hell can you trust, anyway?
hole again?
<< After the paxil incident, i trust antidepressents even less. Who the
hell can you trust, anyway?
>>Are there Prozac stories too? Maybe try that one if you get really in the
hole again?
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/18/2003 1:22:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
problem weaning off it. I tried something else before---THAT's when I KNEW I
was crazy. That Effexor was GOOD stuff for me. Different chemistries, different
reactions.
~Kelly
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bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
> Having been a victi...er, patient...under another dastardly anti-dEffexor saved my life. Literally. I'm thrilled with its existence. I had no
> (Effexor, or, as I like to call it "Evil Effexor" L) and having been
> told by the NP who prescribed it (For weight loss!!! ) that it had no
> serious side effects AND that getting it out of my system would take
> 7 days (and it took a month of cold turkey, and two days of complete
> bed rest, due to the Brain Wobbles and Eyeball Jerks, in the first
> few days)...I strongly believe that these Seratonin uptake inhibitors
> (Such as paxil and effexor) were experimental when they were put on
> the market. IOW, Effexor was not tested much before it was put out. I
> was taking it in early 98, for about six months.
problem weaning off it. I tried something else before---THAT's when I KNEW I
was crazy. That Effexor was GOOD stuff for me. Different chemistries, different
reactions.
~Kelly
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jmcseals SEALS
This may be an odd question, but isn't is strange for an NP to be
prescribing all these meds? That sounds a bit counterproductive to the
practice, isn't it? Or am I misunderstood?
I am searching for an NP, and it doesn't much matter in Tx because they are
not lisenced to prescribe meds but anyway, for a more holistic practitioner.
Somehow, an NP prescribing antidepressants and such sounds strange to me.
Jennifer
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prescribing all these meds? That sounds a bit counterproductive to the
practice, isn't it? Or am I misunderstood?
I am searching for an NP, and it doesn't much matter in Tx because they are
not lisenced to prescribe meds but anyway, for a more holistic practitioner.
Somehow, an NP prescribing antidepressants and such sounds strange to me.
Jennifer
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Heidi
>I had no
> Effexor saved my life. Literally. I'm thrilled with its existence.
> problem weaning off it. I tried something else before---THAT's whenI KNEW I
> was crazy. That Effexor was GOOD stuff for me. Differentchemistries, different
> reactions.Isn't that the truth? You know what else bothered me about my Effexor
>
> ~Kelly
Episode, was the attitude of the NP when I decided to ditch it. (More
than anything, I was tired of being "smooth" all the time. No deep,
black lows, but no "highs" either. Just smoothness. Anyway, I made
the decision and she coached me about weaning from it and so forth,
and when I was on 1/8 dose for two weeks, I just dropped it. whew! I
hate to imagine what it could have been like, if I'd quit cold turkey
on my (relatively small) full dose...
anyway, she said "7 days and it's out of your system"
14 days later, I told her I was still going through the withdrawals
pretty badly (not bed-ridden as I had been, but still dizzy and
spaced out)...and she said "That's impossible. Effexor is gone from
your system in seven days. It must be the depression coming back."
Isn't that AWFUL? A health-care professional, assuming that
everyone's system is going to respond the same way to a given
treatment!!! Ooooh...it still gets me irritated, years later. And
she's still in business, running a weight-loss clinic, bemoaning the
removal of Phen-fen from the market, and dishing out the anti-d's
like a circus barker.
:\
HeidiC </another rant>
Heidi
--- In [email protected], "jmcseals SEALS"
<jmcseals@m...> wrote:
the "umbrella" of a Dr's authority to prescribe medications. In
Idaho, NP just means Nurse Practitioner, and they're no more holistic
than a plastic surgeon would be! L It's sort of like one step down
the ladder from an MD, and they...er...rank with Physicians'
Assistants in the hierarchy.
HeidiC
<jmcseals@m...> wrote:
>the
>
>
> This may be an odd question, but isn't is strange for an NP to be
> prescribing all these meds? That sounds a bit counterproductive to
> practice, isn't it? Or am I misunderstood?they are
>
> I am searching for an NP, and it doesn't much matter in Tx because
> not lisenced to prescribe meds but anyway, for a more holisticpractitioner.
> Somehow, an NP prescribing antidepressants and such soundsstrange to me.
>I think that's why this gal was in the ob's office: to be under
> Jennifer
the "umbrella" of a Dr's authority to prescribe medications. In
Idaho, NP just means Nurse Practitioner, and they're no more holistic
than a plastic surgeon would be! L It's sort of like one step down
the ladder from an MD, and they...er...rank with Physicians'
Assistants in the hierarchy.
HeidiC
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<<NP just means Nurse Practitioner, and they're no more holistic
than a plastic surgeon would be! L It's sort of like one step down
the ladder from an MD, and they...er...rank with Physicians'
Assistants in the hierarchy.>>
ROFL!!! Ah, OKAY! This makes SO much more sense! I'm thinking NP as in
Naturopath! LOL
Thanks, I was having a really HARD time getting it thinking it was a
Naturopath that was being referred to!
Jennifer
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than a plastic surgeon would be! L It's sort of like one step down
the ladder from an MD, and they...er...rank with Physicians'
Assistants in the hierarchy.>>
ROFL!!! Ah, OKAY! This makes SO much more sense! I'm thinking NP as in
Naturopath! LOL
Thanks, I was having a really HARD time getting it thinking it was a
Naturopath that was being referred to!
Jennifer
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Just wondering, if anyone on the list HAS any natural remedies or ideas for
helping with "lows" in life. I have never been on any antidepressant (and
after hearing these stories I'm SO GLAD I never tried them) but usually, around my
period, I get really down for a couple of days. Never suicidal, or unable to
get out of bed, but just kinda bummed, like I can only see the bad, unhappy
things in my life, things never done or accomplished, etc. I am also an
introvert and have been this way most of my life...sort of a melancholy person.
I know for a while St. John's Wort was thought of as the natural answer, but
it never did a thing for me, and I've since heard it doesn't work.
Nancy
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helping with "lows" in life. I have never been on any antidepressant (and
after hearing these stories I'm SO GLAD I never tried them) but usually, around my
period, I get really down for a couple of days. Never suicidal, or unable to
get out of bed, but just kinda bummed, like I can only see the bad, unhappy
things in my life, things never done or accomplished, etc. I am also an
introvert and have been this way most of my life...sort of a melancholy person.
I know for a while St. John's Wort was thought of as the natural answer, but
it never did a thing for me, and I've since heard it doesn't work.
Nancy
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In a message dated 6/18/2003 10:04:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
CelticFrau@... writes:
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> Just wondering, if anyone on the list HAS any natural remedies or ideas for
> helping with "lows" in life. I have never been on any antidepressant (and
> after hearing these stories I'm SO GLAD I never tried them) but usually,
> around my
> period, I get really down for a couple of days. >>>
>
> There is a lotion progesterin (sp) that is sold at the health food store.
> You rub on your wrists or thighs a certain amount of days a month and it does
> help.
>
> Laura D
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In a message dated 6/18/03 8:04:00 PM, CelticFrau@... writes:
<< Just wondering, if anyone on the list HAS any natural remedies or ideas
for
helping with "lows" in life. >>
Don't watch the news
Don't read the newspaper
Don't listen to depressing music
Run off any particularly downer friends
That's my first line of defense.
Sandra
<< Just wondering, if anyone on the list HAS any natural remedies or ideas
for
helping with "lows" in life. >>
Don't watch the news
Don't read the newspaper
Don't listen to depressing music
Run off any particularly downer friends
That's my first line of defense.
Sandra
Marjorie Kirk
Try the book _Natural Alternatives to Prozac_ By Michael T. Murray. He
discusses working to change the causes of your depression, taking good care
of yourself, and re-training your brain to be more optomistic, among other
things. I read it a few years ago and got a few good suggestions from it.
Also, if you are old enough to be pre-menopausal (which some doctor on Oprah
says can start by 30 or 35!) you may want to try the progesterone cream.
Marjorie
discusses working to change the causes of your depression, taking good care
of yourself, and re-training your brain to be more optomistic, among other
things. I read it a few years ago and got a few good suggestions from it.
Also, if you are old enough to be pre-menopausal (which some doctor on Oprah
says can start by 30 or 35!) you may want to try the progesterone cream.
Marjorie
> Just wondering, if anyone on the list HAS any natural remedies or ideasfor
> helping with "lows" in life.
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Nancy asked: Just wondering, if anyone on the list HAS any natural remedies or ideas for
helping with "lows" in life.
Raine replies: I got this list from Dr. Weil's website (www.drweil.com).
Nutritional Supplements and a Healthy Mind
The following are nutrients, botanicals and other compounds that the Polaris CustomPak Program recommends for this specific health condition. These ingredients are included in our product recommendations as part of the Vitamin Advisor Questionnaire.
a.. B vitamins - The B vitamins, especially folic acid and vitamin B6, help support the clearing of the stress hormones by the liver.
b.. St. John's Wort - St. John's Wort is an herbal remedy that has been used in Europe as a treatment for mild depression. It should not be taken with antidepressant medications, especially SSRI's like Prozac or Celexa, anti-retroviral medications or birth control pills.
c.. Fish oil - Recent preliminary studies suggest that omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil may be helpful in helping to maintain a healthy mind. We think that reasonable doses of fish oil supplements might be useful with mild temporary depression. Fish oil is an excellent source of docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), the most common fatty acid in nerve and brain tissue.
d.. Folic acid - Recent studies have been confirming the link between this important B vitamin and a healthy mind.
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helping with "lows" in life.
Raine replies: I got this list from Dr. Weil's website (www.drweil.com).
Nutritional Supplements and a Healthy Mind
The following are nutrients, botanicals and other compounds that the Polaris CustomPak Program recommends for this specific health condition. These ingredients are included in our product recommendations as part of the Vitamin Advisor Questionnaire.
a.. B vitamins - The B vitamins, especially folic acid and vitamin B6, help support the clearing of the stress hormones by the liver.
b.. St. John's Wort - St. John's Wort is an herbal remedy that has been used in Europe as a treatment for mild depression. It should not be taken with antidepressant medications, especially SSRI's like Prozac or Celexa, anti-retroviral medications or birth control pills.
c.. Fish oil - Recent preliminary studies suggest that omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil may be helpful in helping to maintain a healthy mind. We think that reasonable doses of fish oil supplements might be useful with mild temporary depression. Fish oil is an excellent source of docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), the most common fatty acid in nerve and brain tissue.
d.. Folic acid - Recent studies have been confirming the link between this important B vitamin and a healthy mind.
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In a message dated 6/18/03 10:00:43 PM, mkirk@... writes:
<< and re-training your brain to be more optomistic >>
Meditation can help a lot, because some people have no mechanism for slowing
down their brains in their normal lives. If you don't know how to meditate,
it might be worth learning. Even if you don't dedicate yourself to doing it
every day, knowing what it feels like to really be still, and to breathe slowly
and deeply enough to put yourself in another state, you can do it pretty
quickly in a pinch.
Sandra
<< and re-training your brain to be more optomistic >>
Meditation can help a lot, because some people have no mechanism for slowing
down their brains in their normal lives. If you don't know how to meditate,
it might be worth learning. Even if you don't dedicate yourself to doing it
every day, knowing what it feels like to really be still, and to breathe slowly
and deeply enough to put yourself in another state, you can do it pretty
quickly in a pinch.
Sandra
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In a message dated 18/06/2003 19:04:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
have a doctor that is open to alternatives in medicine. He had me read the book
"What your doctor may not tell you about menopause"( don't be frightened by the
title!!)
It describes the use of natural Progesterone cream to battle with the
symptoms many women my age feel. Perimenopause is what the book addresses, and the
progesterone cream has done wonders for me. I still have my moments(right
Maureen?) but am much better on the cream than off.
Just something that has worked for me. The book challenges the popular
Hormone Replacement Therapy methods. It questions the use of Estrogen , and
discusses all the ways progesterone affects us.
Nancy in BC, feeling like I am talking to myself<G>
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CelticFrau@... writes:
> wondering, if anyone on the list HAS any natural remedies or ideas forHey Nancy, not sure how old you are, I am 39 almost 40. I am fortunate to
> helping with "lows" in life. I have never been on any antidepressant (and
>
have a doctor that is open to alternatives in medicine. He had me read the book
"What your doctor may not tell you about menopause"( don't be frightened by the
title!!)
It describes the use of natural Progesterone cream to battle with the
symptoms many women my age feel. Perimenopause is what the book addresses, and the
progesterone cream has done wonders for me. I still have my moments(right
Maureen?) but am much better on the cream than off.
Just something that has worked for me. The book challenges the popular
Hormone Replacement Therapy methods. It questions the use of Estrogen , and
discusses all the ways progesterone affects us.
Nancy in BC, feeling like I am talking to myself<G>
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nyneca
--- In [email protected], CelticFrau@a... wrote:
Hi, Nancy-
I'm mostly a lurker here, but I do have a "natural" remedy for depression. I'm
also a strong introvert, and unfortunately also have a strong genetic
predisposition to depression- both parents have been medicated,
hospitalized for depressive episodes and "nervous breakdowns", etc.- so it's
something I'm keenly aware of and actively trying to avoid, myself.
I recently decided to get in better shape by exercising. My original goals were
to increase muscle mass, improve bone density before my body ends its
estrogen production, improve my resting heart rate, and hopefully, lose some
excess weight in the process. I've been going to the gym several times per
week for 5 months and have noticed a number of benefits that I hadn't
anticipated, one being that I have MUCH more energy than I'd ever had
before I started exercising. I also sleep better at night, the brainfog is much
improved, and my libido--hey, it's back!
I am not an athletic person. I don't enjoy physical activity. Picking up a heavy
book is about as strenuous an activity as I typically perform. And exercise is
really, really boring to me. My secret for sticking with it is that I take a portable
CD player and a pair of headphones with me. I listen to fast-paced, upbeat
music, and that keeps my mind off the drudgery. It also forces me to keep
pace with the music, which helps a lot.
I know that it's very difficult for someone suffering from chronic depression to
get off their butt, but I truly believe that relying on pharmaceuticals will only get
you part-way out of it, if they help at all. I can't help but think that my mother's
lack of pysical activity contributed to her depression.
Anyway, I hope this helps.
Ellen
> Just wondering, if anyone on the list HAS any natural remedies or ideas forI am also an
> helping with "lows" in life.
> introvert and have been this way most of my life...sort of a melancholyperson.
Hi, Nancy-
I'm mostly a lurker here, but I do have a "natural" remedy for depression. I'm
also a strong introvert, and unfortunately also have a strong genetic
predisposition to depression- both parents have been medicated,
hospitalized for depressive episodes and "nervous breakdowns", etc.- so it's
something I'm keenly aware of and actively trying to avoid, myself.
I recently decided to get in better shape by exercising. My original goals were
to increase muscle mass, improve bone density before my body ends its
estrogen production, improve my resting heart rate, and hopefully, lose some
excess weight in the process. I've been going to the gym several times per
week for 5 months and have noticed a number of benefits that I hadn't
anticipated, one being that I have MUCH more energy than I'd ever had
before I started exercising. I also sleep better at night, the brainfog is much
improved, and my libido--hey, it's back!
I am not an athletic person. I don't enjoy physical activity. Picking up a heavy
book is about as strenuous an activity as I typically perform. And exercise is
really, really boring to me. My secret for sticking with it is that I take a portable
CD player and a pair of headphones with me. I listen to fast-paced, upbeat
music, and that keeps my mind off the drudgery. It also forces me to keep
pace with the music, which helps a lot.
I know that it's very difficult for someone suffering from chronic depression to
get off their butt, but I truly believe that relying on pharmaceuticals will only get
you part-way out of it, if they help at all. I can't help but think that my mother's
lack of pysical activity contributed to her depression.
Anyway, I hope this helps.
Ellen
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In a message dated 6/18/2003 10:44:20 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
people from your life. If you can't eliminate them, the drastically reduce the
contact. They may not be toxic to everyone, but they are toxic to you and
that has to be fixed first.
Sunshine is another key for my good mental health...
Elizabeth
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Run off any particularly downer friendsThis, combined with exercise, completely changed my life. Eliminate toxic
people from your life. If you can't eliminate them, the drastically reduce the
contact. They may not be toxic to everyone, but they are toxic to you and
that has to be fixed first.
Sunshine is another key for my good mental health...
Elizabeth
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In a message dated 6/19/2003 12:37:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
evkod@... writes:
DO it (Yoga, walk, exercise) I do feel soooo much better. More energy means
the ability to get more done, which makes me feel better. Plus when I weigh
less, I feel so much better about myself. After the first of the year my husband
and I both went on diets. I did the low-carb high protein thing at first,
then switched to just healthy and low fat, with lots of exercise. I had lost
almost 30 pounds and was right where I wanted to be. Ive since gained about 10
back (why did I DO THAT!!) and I haven't done yoga in about 2 months.
You and others here are so right though, exercise does bring me out of that
"funk." I'm like you, I hate exercising, I have to force myself to do it. I
also never have the time. I guess I"ll have to just make the time again.
Nancy
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evkod@... writes:
> I know that it's very difficult for someone suffering from chronicFor me, it's one of those things where I KNOW what I need to do, and when I
> depression to
> get off their butt, but I truly believe that relying on pharmaceuticals will
> only get
> you part-way out of it, if they help at all. I can't help but think that my
> mother's
> lack of pysical activity contributed to her depression.
DO it (Yoga, walk, exercise) I do feel soooo much better. More energy means
the ability to get more done, which makes me feel better. Plus when I weigh
less, I feel so much better about myself. After the first of the year my husband
and I both went on diets. I did the low-carb high protein thing at first,
then switched to just healthy and low fat, with lots of exercise. I had lost
almost 30 pounds and was right where I wanted to be. Ive since gained about 10
back (why did I DO THAT!!) and I haven't done yoga in about 2 months.
You and others here are so right though, exercise does bring me out of that
"funk." I'm like you, I hate exercising, I have to force myself to do it. I
also never have the time. I guess I"ll have to just make the time again.
Nancy
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In a message dated 6/19/2003 2:24:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LOWRIEK@... writes:
haven't read it. (I just turned 39 btw) My fiddle teacher told me about it and
swears by progesterone cream.
Nancy
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LOWRIEK@... writes:
> Hey Nancy, not sure how old you are, I am 39 almost 40. I am fortunate toLoL..I just picked this up at a library sale a couple of weeks ago but
> have a doctor that is open to alternatives in medicine. He had me read the
> book
> "What your doctor may not tell you about menopause"( don't be frightened by
> the
> title!!)
>
haven't read it. (I just turned 39 btw) My fiddle teacher told me about it and
swears by progesterone cream.
Nancy
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In a message dated 6/19/2003 2:44:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ejcrewe@... writes:
We have had rain almost every day here in WV for months now. Still no sunny
days in sight!
Nancy
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ejcrewe@... writes:
> Sunshine is another key for my good mental health...This could have something to do with feeling sluggish the last few months.
>
>
We have had rain almost every day here in WV for months now. Still no sunny
days in sight!
Nancy
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