Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Respect and polite
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/16/03 5:07:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
don't respect everyone, that's ridiculus. If someone is a stranger they may not
get my respect (how could I give it knowing nothing about them), which I think
of as an internal feeling/belief but they will get a polite response. (unless
they are of course, mugging me or hitting me or yelling at my kids or
something similar).
Being polite isn't showing respect, it treating other how you would want to
be treated yourself. It's kindness.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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[email protected] writes:
> Respect needs to be earned, not expected.I think there is a huge difference between "respect" and "polite". No, I
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> Gotta say I agree with this.
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> My parents always expected respect, even when they didn't earn it.
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> I refuse to live that way. I don't care who a person is, they will *earn*
> my respect.
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> Those who earn my respect (who I also may not know personally) would include
> people who have had to earn their own way from the bottom up.
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don't respect everyone, that's ridiculus. If someone is a stranger they may not
get my respect (how could I give it knowing nothing about them), which I think
of as an internal feeling/belief but they will get a polite response. (unless
they are of course, mugging me or hitting me or yelling at my kids or
something similar).
Being polite isn't showing respect, it treating other how you would want to
be treated yourself. It's kindness.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/17/03 12:21:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Earthmomma67@... writes:
And on the "rank" thread, I also had some thoughts. Some folks seem
bothered that most folks recognize rank in relating to others. I do agree that in
some cases, rank should not exist. A celebrity, in my opinion, does not
"outrank" another person when it comes to the way they should be treated or in
the care or justice they recieve. But, rank does have to exist for us to exist
as civilized people. In it's most base form, think of rank in emergency
situations... "Women and children first, then, most likely, elderly men, then
perhaps men of higher status ( and maybe not, depending on the itegrity of the
men involved). In an emergency situation, injuries are also ranked. The folks
in worse shape will outrank the folks with minor injuries. The question of
rank is not something that we really deal with on a day in day out basis. We
live in and among our families and friends and peers and co-workers, and for
the most part, we are all the same rank, we are people who care for and love
and respect each other with no regard for who is "above" whom.. But, on
occasion, rank does come to into play, and to want to pretend like it does not
exist, or claim that you can ignore it, is not really a feasible possiblility.
If an oncoming car was headed for your child and the child of a stranger, but
you could only save one child, surely, your child would outrank the stranger.
Teresa
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Earthmomma67@... writes:
> Being polite isn't showing respect, it treating other how you would want toI agree with this completely.
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> be treated yourself. It's kindness.
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And on the "rank" thread, I also had some thoughts. Some folks seem
bothered that most folks recognize rank in relating to others. I do agree that in
some cases, rank should not exist. A celebrity, in my opinion, does not
"outrank" another person when it comes to the way they should be treated or in
the care or justice they recieve. But, rank does have to exist for us to exist
as civilized people. In it's most base form, think of rank in emergency
situations... "Women and children first, then, most likely, elderly men, then
perhaps men of higher status ( and maybe not, depending on the itegrity of the
men involved). In an emergency situation, injuries are also ranked. The folks
in worse shape will outrank the folks with minor injuries. The question of
rank is not something that we really deal with on a day in day out basis. We
live in and among our families and friends and peers and co-workers, and for
the most part, we are all the same rank, we are people who care for and love
and respect each other with no regard for who is "above" whom.. But, on
occasion, rank does come to into play, and to want to pretend like it does not
exist, or claim that you can ignore it, is not really a feasible possiblility.
If an oncoming car was headed for your child and the child of a stranger, but
you could only save one child, surely, your child would outrank the stranger.
Teresa
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Have A Nice Day!
Ok.
I agree there is a difference between respect and being polite, though being polite could be construed as being respectful. Maybe that is where the confusion is.
And yes, I can be polite to someone without respecting them <g>.
As for rank, I agree that on certain days, certain people get a "place of honor", the bride, a graduate, or the guy who has the know-how to fix your car.
But I don't consider those things examples of rank.
So, in the end, I probably agree with everyone on the rank issue without calling it rank. And I agree on the politeness issue if its not confused with internal respect.
Shoot, does that mean I have to now get off the couch?
Kristen
I agree there is a difference between respect and being polite, though being polite could be construed as being respectful. Maybe that is where the confusion is.
And yes, I can be polite to someone without respecting them <g>.
As for rank, I agree that on certain days, certain people get a "place of honor", the bride, a graduate, or the guy who has the know-how to fix your car.
But I don't consider those things examples of rank.
So, in the end, I probably agree with everyone on the rank issue without calling it rank. And I agree on the politeness issue if its not confused with internal respect.
Shoot, does that mean I have to now get off the couch?
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: grlynbl@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Respect and polite
In a message dated 6/17/03 12:21:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Earthmomma67@... writes:
> Being polite isn't showing respect, it treating other how you would want to
>
> be treated yourself. It's kindness.
>
I agree with this completely.
And on the "rank" thread, I also had some thoughts. Some folks seem
bothered that most folks recognize rank in relating to others. I do agree that in
some cases, rank should not exist. A celebrity, in my opinion, does not
"outrank" another person when it comes to the way they should be treated or in
the care or justice they recieve. But, rank does have to exist for us to exist
as civilized people. In it's most base form, think of rank in emergency
situations... "Women and children first, then, most likely, elderly men, then
perhaps men of higher status ( and maybe not, depending on the itegrity of the
men involved). In an emergency situation, injuries are also ranked. The folks
in worse shape will outrank the folks with minor injuries. The question of
rank is not something that we really deal with on a day in day out basis. We
live in and among our families and friends and peers and co-workers, and for
the most part, we are all the same rank, we are people who care for and love
and respect each other with no regard for who is "above" whom.. But, on
occasion, rank does come to into play, and to want to pretend like it does not
exist, or claim that you can ignore it, is not really a feasible possiblility.
If an oncoming car was headed for your child and the child of a stranger, but
you could only save one child, surely, your child would outrank the stranger.
Teresa
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/17/03 10:44:57 AM, litlrooh@... writes:
<< But I don't consider those things examples of rank.
<<So, in the end, I probably agree with everyone on the rank issue without
calling it rank. >>
What do you want to call it?
<< But I don't consider those things examples of rank.
<<So, in the end, I probably agree with everyone on the rank issue without
calling it rank. >>
What do you want to call it?
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/17/03 12:37:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grlynbl@...
writes:
person with the most minor injury "outranks" the more serious injury. The
less serious the injury the quicker the return to battle. You cannot deplete
your entire blood supply on one injured soldier.
Pam G.
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writes:
> In an emergency situation, injuries are also ranked. The folksUnless you are in the military and in a combat situation. In which case the
> in worse shape will outrank the folks with minor injuries.
person with the most minor injury "outranks" the more serious injury. The
less serious the injury the quicker the return to battle. You cannot deplete
your entire blood supply on one injured soldier.
Pam G.
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/17/03 6:03:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, genant2@...
writes:
good combat logic.
Teresa
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writes:
> Unless you are in the military and in a combat situation. In which caseI didnt know , or, I guess never really thought about that. It does make
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> person with the most minor injury "outranks" the more serious injury. The
> less serious the injury the quicker the return to battle. You cannot
> deplete
> your entire blood supply on one injured soldier.
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good combat logic.
Teresa
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