jmcseals SEALS

Your Type is
ENFP
Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
56 22 56 11

Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:
moderately expressed extrovert

slightly expressed intuitive personality

moderately expressed feeling personality

slightly expressed perceiving personality


My computer died the first time I took this and the second time the last
type was different. First I got slightly judgemental or something, now
perveiving. Hmmm, that was odd.

Jennifer

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In a message dated 6/10/03 11:34:46 AM, jmcseals@... writes:

<< First I got slightly judgemental or something, now
perveiving. Hmmm, that was odd. >>

I've had "P" on mine more times than J over the years. It's one of those
borderline things.

Probably if I weren't so perceptive I wouldn't be so judgmental!! <g>
Probably as I'm getting older I'm less patient with bullshit.
Perhaps I've hit my life bullshit limit.

Sandra

Alan & Brenda Leonard

6/10/03 19:22:

> Your Type is
> ENFJExtroverted Intuitive Feeling Judging

You're all Extroverts! Sheesh. Don't introverts unschool?

I'm INFJ, with N and F sort of weak, but strongly I and J. I've been told
in my life that the J makes me an organizer (well, being J, and being a
virgo).

The I means that I'll really enjoy meeting all of you in South Carolina, and
then I'll go hide in my room for a while because I've run out of
people-energy!

Don't take it personally. <g>

brenda
married to an ENTP. We had many conflicts related to being totally
different styles early on in our marriage!

jmcseals SEALS

<<Probably if I weren't so perceptive I wouldn't be so judgmental!! <g>>>

LOL Good point. :)

<<Probably as I'm getting older I'm less patient with bullshit.
Perhaps I've hit my life bullshit limit.>>

Perhaps, although I see that as a god thing. I need to work on that. I let
people shit on me far too much. Grrr I'm getting better the more
confidence I gain. That's a good thing as well!

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Tammy Thompson

-------Original Message-------

From: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 13:37:18
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Myers-Briggs

6/10/03 19:22:

> Your Type is
> ENFJ
Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Judging

>>>>>>>>>You're all Extroverts! Sheesh. Don't introverts unschool?
brenda<<<<<<<<<
----------------------------------
Yes, INFP here <waving>
22673322

slightly expressed introvert
distinctively expressed intuitive personality
moderately expressed feeling personality
slightly expressed perceiving personality

Although alot of the questions can only apply(for me) dependant on a
particular situation. I may go the other answer depending on what's going
on at that time, or just what mood I'm in...

tammy

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Susan Fuerst

> Your Type is
> ENFJExtroverted Intuitive Feeling Judging

You're all Extroverts! Sheesh. Don't introverts unschool?

I'm INFJ, with N and F sort of weak, but strongly I and J. I've been
told
in my life that the J makes me an organizer (well, being J, and being a
virgo). <<

No NO, Brenda! I've seen quite a few introverts. I agree with Julie
that the NF combo is a great type for unschoolers (in general).

I really think having four children had turned me into a "J". I have
always hung on that borderline, but I realized last year what an
extreme planner I had become. That all changed when we moved and both
my parents became critically ill at the same time. I learned that
planning for much more than the next moment was almost useless. I am
much more strongly in the "go with the flow", spontaneity live in the
moment and don't think of tomorrow mode these days.

I love to talk to ENFs ....they seem to extrovert what I introvert!
Susan

Julie Bogart

--- In [email protected], "Susan Fuerst"
<fuerst@f...> wrote:

>
> I love to talk to ENFs ....they seem to extrovert what I introvert!
> Susan

LOL susan. I seem to accumulate Introverted friends via the
Internet. It's been such a great vehicle for getting to know these
otherwise more guarded ladies.

And one of my INFJ friends says that Is need Es to catalyze them.
That's why lots of marriages are a combo.

I figure there are as many Is unschooling as Es, but Es are just
so much more vocal on email lists. :)

Julie B

[email protected]

In a message dated 6/10/03 2:01:52 PM, fuerst@... writes:

<< I really think having four children had turned me into a "J". I have
always hung on that borderline, but I realized last year what an
extreme planner I had become. >>

One of the questions that really bothered me was about spontaneity or
something.

I DO plan, but when plans fail I'm in my finest element---the emergency
rescue.
I don't plan for emergency rescues, but I thrive there.

Here were my quibble-points:


<<You consider the scientific approach to be the best>>

REAL scientific approach, yes. Observation and logic, testing and openness.
Not what passes for scientific method lately, which is prove the first
correlation and use it to sell something or justify continuing the status quo.


<<You know how to put every minute of your
time to good purpose>>

I suspect the person who wrote that wouldn't consider hanging out in the yard
talking, or sleeping late, or vegetating a day or two a week to be "good
purpose." If I get to define "purpose," then HELL yes, I put ever SECOND to good
purpose.

<<You are inclined to rely more on improvisation
than on careful planning>>

That was the one. Improvisation.
My careful planning is sometimes overwhelmed by others' failures, and so I
improvise really well. I relay on my ability to improvise when the careful
planning occasionally fails.

<<Strict observance of the established rules
is likely to prevent attaining a good outcome>>

Insufficient information. Give me a specific situation and I shall detail it
into the 8th move.
I don't play chess well, but I can play complex situations the way good chess
players play chess.
What rules? What was the outcome? What's at stake? Who's involved?
Some rules are worth observing. "The established rules" is no elemental
concept.

Sandra

The Burton Bunch

Another introvert heard from...
ISFJ
Introverted Sensing Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %
67 11 44 67

a.. distinctively expressed introvert

a.. slightly expressed sensing personality

a.. moderately expressed feeling personality

a.. distinctively expressed judging personality
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan & Brenda Leonard
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Myers-Briggs


6/10/03 19:22:

> Your Type is
> ENFJExtroverted Intuitive Feeling Judging

You're all Extroverts! Sheesh. Don't introverts unschool?

I'm INFJ, with N and F sort of weak, but strongly I and J. I've been told
in my life that the J makes me an organizer (well, being J, and being a
virgo).

The I means that I'll really enjoy meeting all of you in South Carolina, and
then I'll go hide in my room for a while because I've run out of
people-energy!

Don't take it personally. <g>

brenda
married to an ENTP. We had many conflicts related to being totally
different styles early on in our marriage!



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jmcseals SEALS wrote:

>I let people shit on me far too much.
>

Well it's a good thing you had that wall between you and the woman in
the bathroom last week! LOL

TreeGoddess

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In a message dated 6/10/2003 2:51:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> You're all Extroverts! Sheesh. Don't introverts unschool?

Maybe there are just more extroverts that post!!!

Someone at this list (I think) posted an article about Introverts that was
very eye opening (for this extrovert anyway). I am married to a total Introvert
and there were some things I'd just never thought about. Like the fact that
most politicians are extroverts and the ones out there dictating the direction
of change.
Poor introverts need a spokesperson!! How on earth does THAT work? :)

Ren


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[email protected]

In a message dated 6/10/2003 4:01:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
>
>
> <<You consider the scientific approach to be the best>>
>
> REAL scientific approach, yes. Observation and logic, testing and openness.
> Not what passes for scientific method lately, which is prove the first
> correlation and use it to sell something or justify continuing the status
> quo.
>
>
> I had a really hard time answering that one for that very reason!! At first
> I thought, "well, what about intuition and spiritual matters that can't be
> explained"...I STILL think true science could be applied there....but there is
> so much of what I've seen in the scientific world that uses tests that are SO
> flawed. I just had to put "no" finally. But that is not a good answer
> either.
> Sigh.
>
> Ren


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Tracy

--- In [email protected], starsuncloud@c... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/10/2003 2:51:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
> > You're all Extroverts! Sheesh. Don't introverts unschool?
>
> Maybe there are just more extroverts that post!!!
>
> Someone at this list (I think) posted an article about Introverts
that was
> very eye opening (for this extrovert anyway). I am married to a
total Introvert
> and there were some things I'd just never thought about. Like the
fact that
> most politicians are extroverts and the ones out there dictating
the direction
> of change.
> Poor introverts need a spokesperson!! How on earth does THAT
work? :)
>
>

I did once have it saved because my husband is very much an
introvert. I think I was always an over-achieving intovert masking
myself as an extrovert. LOL Here's the article in case this was it
Tracy

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/03/rauch.htm

Caring for Your Introvert

The habits and needs of a little-understood group

by Jonathan Rauch

.....

o you know someone who needs hours alone every day? Who loves quiet
conversations about feelings or ideas, and can give a dynamite
presentation to a big audience, but seems awkward in groups and
maladroit at small talk? Who has to be dragged to parties and then
needs the rest of the day to recuperate? Who growls or scowls or
grunts or winces when accosted with pleasantries by people who are
just trying to be nice?

If so, do you tell this person he is "too serious," or ask if he is
okay? Regard him as aloof, arrogant, rude? Redouble your efforts to
draw him out?

If you answered yes to these questions, chances are that you have an
introvert on your hands-and that you aren't caring for him properly.
Science has learned a good deal in recent years about the habits and
requirements of introverts. It has even learned, by means of brain
scans, that introverts process information differently from other
people (I am not making this up). If you are behind the curve on this
important matter, be reassured that you are not alone. Introverts may
be common, but they are also among the most misunderstood and
aggrieved groups in America, possibly the world.

I know. My name is Jonathan, and I am an introvert.

Oh, for years I denied it. After all, I have good social skills. I am
not morose or misanthropic. Usually. I am far from shy. I love long
conversations that explore intimate thoughts or passionate interests.
But at last I have self-identified and come out to my friends and
colleagues. In doing so, I have found myself liberated from any
number of damaging misconceptions and stereotypes. Now I am here to
tell you what you need to know in order to respond sensitively and
supportively to your own introverted family members, friends, and
colleagues. Remember, someone you know, respect, and interact with
every day is an introvert, and you are probably driving this person
nuts. It pays to learn the warning signs.

What is introversion? In its modern sense, the concept goes back to
the 1920s and the psychologist Carl Jung. Today it is a mainstay of
personality tests, including the widely used Myers-Briggs Type
Indicator. Introverts are not necessarily shy. Shy people are anxious
or frightened or self-excoriating in social settings; introverts
generally are not. Introverts are also not misanthropic, though some
of us do go along with Sartre as far as to say "Hell is other people
at breakfast." Rather, introverts are people who find other people
tiring.

Extroverts are energized by people, and wilt or fade when alone. They
often seem bored by themselves, in both senses of the _expression.
Leave an extrovert alone for two minutes and he will reach for his
cell phone. In contrast, after an hour or two of being socially "on,"
we introverts need to turn off and recharge. My own formula is
roughly two hours alone for every hour of socializing. This isn't
antisocial. It isn't a sign of depression. It does not call for
medication. For introverts, to be alone with our thoughts is as
restorative as sleeping, as nourishing as eating. Our motto: "I'm
okay, you're okay-in small doses."
How many people are introverts? I performed exhaustive research on
this question, in the form of a quick Google search. The answer:
About 25 percent. Or: Just under half. Or-my favorite-"a minority in
the regular population but a majority in the gifted population."

Are introverts misunderstood? Wildly. That, it appears, is our lot in
life. "It is very difficult for an extrovert to understand an
introvert," write the education experts Jill D. Burruss and Lisa
Kaenzig. (They are also the source of the quotation in the previous
paragraph.) Extroverts are easy for introverts to understand, because
extroverts spend so much of their time working out who they are in
voluble, and frequently inescapable, interaction with other people.
They are as inscrutable as puppy dogs. But the street does not run
both ways. Extroverts have little or no grasp of introversion. They
assume that company, especially their own, is always welcome. They
cannot imagine why someone would need to be alone; indeed, they often
take umbrage at the suggestion. As often as I have tried to explain
the matter to extroverts, I have never sensed that any of them really
understood. They listen for a moment and then go back to barking and
yipping.

Are introverts oppressed? I would have to say so. For one thing,
extroverts are overrepresented in politics, a profession in which
only the garrulous are really comfortable. Look at George W. Bush.
Look at Bill Clinton. They seem to come fully to life only around
other people. To think of the few introverts who did rise to the top
in politics-Calvin Coolidge, Richard Nixon-is merely to drive home
the point. With the possible exception of Ronald Reagan, whose fabled
aloofness and privateness were probably signs of a deep introverted
streak (many actors, I've read, are introverts, and many introverts,
when socializing, feel like actors), introverts are not
considered "naturals" in politics.

Extroverts therefore dominate public life. This is a pity. If we
introverts ran the world, it would no doubt be a calmer, saner, more
peaceful sort of place. As Coolidge is supposed to have said, "Don't
you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would
disappear if we would just sit down and keep still?" (He is also
supposed to have said, "If you don't say anything, you won't be
called on to repeat it." The only thing a true introvert dislikes
more than talking about himself is repeating himself.)

With their endless appetite for talk and attention, extroverts also
dominate social life, so they tend to set expectations. In our
extrovertist society, being outgoing is considered normal and
therefore desirable, a mark of happiness, confidence, leadership.
Extroverts are seen as bighearted, vibrant, warm, empathic. "People
person" is a compliment. Introverts are described with words
like "guarded," "loner," "reserved," "taciturn," "self-
contained," "private"-narrow, ungenerous words, words that suggest
emotional parsimony and smallness of personality. Female introverts,
I suspect, must suffer especially. In certain circles, particularly
in the Midwest, a man can still sometimes get away with being what
they used to call a strong and silent type; introverted women,
lacking that alternative, are even more likely than men to be
perceived as timid, withdrawn, haughty.

Are introverts arrogant? Hardly. I suppose this common misconception
has to do with our being more intelligent, more reflective, more
independent, more level-headed, more refined, and more sensitive than
extroverts. Also, it is probably due to our lack of small talk, a
lack that extroverts often mistake for disdain. We tend to think
before talking, whereas extroverts tend to think by talking, which is
why their meetings never last less than six hours. "Introverts,"
writes a perceptive fellow named Thomas P. Crouser, in an online
review of a recent book called Why Should Extroverts Make All the
Money? (I'm not making that up, either), "are driven to distraction
by the semi-internal dialogue extroverts tend to conduct. Introverts
don't outwardly complain, instead roll their eyes and silently curse
the darkness." Just so.

The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they
put us through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their
98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to
listen to themselves. Still, we endure stoically, because the
etiquette books-written, no doubt, by extroverts-regard declining to
banter as rude and gaps in conversation as awkward. We can only dream
that someday, when our condition is more widely understood, when
perhaps an Introverts' Rights movement has blossomed and borne fruit,
it will not be impolite to say "I'm an introvert. You are a wonderful
person and I like you. But now please shush."

How can I let the introvert in my life know that I support him and
respect his choice? First, recognize that it's not a choice. It's not
a lifestyle. It's an orientation.

Second, when you see an introvert lost in thought, don't say "What's
the matter?" or "Are you all right?"

Third, don't say anything else, either.

[email protected]

Oh, and here's the low-down on that test:


Your Type is
ENFP
Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %
56 33 44 22



Qualitative analysis of your type formula

You are:
moderately expressed extrovert

moderately expressed intuitive personality

moderately expressed feeling personality

slightly expressed perceiving personality


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Mine was:

INFJ
89 11 89 89

Don't know if that is good or bad!
Kim

Tim and Maureen

There is NO GOOD/BAD, people! We're just people :O))

Kim, ever feel psychic? That supposed to be a common feeling for INFJ, tho the scientists don't claim you ARE...

My (reactive) thots!

Tim
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Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:24 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Myers-Briggs


Mine was:

INFJ
89 11 89 89

Don't know if that is good or bad!
Kim

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Ok, this is TOO funny. I found a list of potential job choices that are well
suited to the different personality types. Check out my list!

ENFP

conference planner
speech pathologist
HR development trainer
ombudsman
clergy
journalist
newscaster
career counselor
housing director
character actor
marketing consultant
musician/composer
artist
information-graphics
...designer
human resource manager
merchandise planner
advertising account manager
dietitian/nutritionist
speech pathologist
massage therapist
editor/art director

I thought it was pretty funny that conference coordinatoor was the first
one!!! Then there's the Massage Therapist, which I'm going to school for in
January. Who needs a test? I already figured this out!! :)

Ren


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jmcseals SEALS

<<Well it's a good thing you had that wall between you and the woman in
the bathroom last week! LOL>>

LOL Oh, when you are bad, you are veddy, veddy baaaad! ;)

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Susan Fuerst

I am a strong introvert, but actually was a quite effective public
speaker a few years back (in my working days). Introverts-intuitives
can usually articulate well in writing. I think e-lists are hard due to
the fact that introverts generally tend to mull things over before
responding. Often the subjects have changed a week later, or the
extroverts have already articulated it well enough. But communicating
in articles or books is good....if you can get readers.

And again, many introverts are excellent public speakers or communicate
well with small groups. I think introverts would be important for grass
roots movements. And I think Brenda pointed out....introverts DO
function well in large groups, but would not choose to spend lots of
time there, and may need alone time to recuperate from the energy
drain.

Susan

-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy [mailto:sablehs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Introverts

--- In [email protected], starsuncloud@c... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/10/2003 2:51:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
> > You're all Extroverts! Sheesh. Don't introverts unschool?
>
> Maybe there are just more extroverts that post!!!
>
> Someone at this list (I think) posted an article about Introverts
that was
> very eye opening (for this extrovert anyway). I am married to a
total Introvert
> and there were some things I'd just never thought about. Like the
fact that
> most politicians are extroverts and the ones out there dictating
the direction
> of change.
> Poor introverts need a spokesperson!! How on earth does THAT
work? :)
>
>

I did once have it saved because my husband is very much an
introvert. I think I was always an over-achieving intovert masking
myself as an extrovert. LOL Here's the article in case this was it
Tracy

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/03/rauch.htm

Caring for Your Introvert

The habits and needs of a little-understood group

by Jonathan Rauch

.....

o you know someone who needs hours alone every day? Who loves quiet
conversations about feelings or ideas, and can give a dynamite
presentation to a big audience, but seems awkward in groups and
maladroit at small talk? Who has to be dragged to parties and then
needs the rest of the day to recuperate? Who growls or scowls or
grunts or winces when accosted with pleasantries by people who are
just trying to be nice?

If so, do you tell this person he is "too serious," or ask if he is
okay? Regard him as aloof, arrogant, rude? Redouble your efforts to
draw him out?

If you answered yes to these questions, chances are that you have an
introvert on your hands-and that you aren't caring for him properly.
Science has learned a good deal in recent years about the habits and
requirements of introverts. It has even learned, by means of brain
scans, that introverts process information differently from other
people (I am not making this up). If you are behind the curve on this
important matter, be reassured that you are not alone. Introverts may
be common, but they are also among the most misunderstood and
aggrieved groups in America, possibly the world.

I know. My name is Jonathan, and I am an introvert.

Oh, for years I denied it. After all, I have good social skills. I am
not morose or misanthropic. Usually. I am far from shy. I love long
conversations that explore intimate thoughts or passionate interests.
But at last I have self-identified and come out to my friends and
colleagues. In doing so, I have found myself liberated from any
number of damaging misconceptions and stereotypes. Now I am here to
tell you what you need to know in order to respond sensitively and
supportively to your own introverted family members, friends, and
colleagues. Remember, someone you know, respect, and interact with
every day is an introvert, and you are probably driving this person
nuts. It pays to learn the warning signs.

What is introversion? In its modern sense, the concept goes back to
the 1920s and the psychologist Carl Jung. Today it is a mainstay of
personality tests, including the widely used Myers-Briggs Type
Indicator. Introverts are not necessarily shy. Shy people are anxious
or frightened or self-excoriating in social settings; introverts
generally are not. Introverts are also not misanthropic, though some
of us do go along with Sartre as far as to say "Hell is other people
at breakfast." Rather, introverts are people who find other people
tiring.

Extroverts are energized by people, and wilt or fade when alone. They
often seem bored by themselves, in both senses of the _expression.
Leave an extrovert alone for two minutes and he will reach for his
cell phone. In contrast, after an hour or two of being socially "on,"
we introverts need to turn off and recharge. My own formula is
roughly two hours alone for every hour of socializing. This isn't
antisocial. It isn't a sign of depression. It does not call for
medication. For introverts, to be alone with our thoughts is as
restorative as sleeping, as nourishing as eating. Our motto: "I'm
okay, you're okay-in small doses."
How many people are introverts? I performed exhaustive research on
this question, in the form of a quick Google search. The answer:
About 25 percent. Or: Just under half. Or-my favorite-"a minority in
the regular population but a majority in the gifted population."

Are introverts misunderstood? Wildly. That, it appears, is our lot in
life. "It is very difficult for an extrovert to understand an
introvert," write the education experts Jill D. Burruss and Lisa
Kaenzig. (They are also the source of the quotation in the previous
paragraph.) Extroverts are easy for introverts to understand, because
extroverts spend so much of their time working out who they are in
voluble, and frequently inescapable, interaction with other people.
They are as inscrutable as puppy dogs. But the street does not run
both ways. Extroverts have little or no grasp of introversion. They
assume that company, especially their own, is always welcome. They
cannot imagine why someone would need to be alone; indeed, they often
take umbrage at the suggestion. As often as I have tried to explain
the matter to extroverts, I have never sensed that any of them really
understood. They listen for a moment and then go back to barking and
yipping.

Are introverts oppressed? I would have to say so. For one thing,
extroverts are overrepresented in politics, a profession in which
only the garrulous are really comfortable. Look at George W. Bush.
Look at Bill Clinton. They seem to come fully to life only around
other people. To think of the few introverts who did rise to the top
in politics-Calvin Coolidge, Richard Nixon-is merely to drive home
the point. With the possible exception of Ronald Reagan, whose fabled
aloofness and privateness were probably signs of a deep introverted
streak (many actors, I've read, are introverts, and many introverts,
when socializing, feel like actors), introverts are not
considered "naturals" in politics.

Extroverts therefore dominate public life. This is a pity. If we
introverts ran the world, it would no doubt be a calmer, saner, more
peaceful sort of place. As Coolidge is supposed to have said, "Don't
you know that four fifths of all our troubles in this life would
disappear if we would just sit down and keep still?" (He is also
supposed to have said, "If you don't say anything, you won't be
called on to repeat it." The only thing a true introvert dislikes
more than talking about himself is repeating himself.)

With their endless appetite for talk and attention, extroverts also
dominate social life, so they tend to set expectations. In our
extrovertist society, being outgoing is considered normal and
therefore desirable, a mark of happiness, confidence, leadership.
Extroverts are seen as bighearted, vibrant, warm, empathic. "People
person" is a compliment. Introverts are described with words
like "guarded," "loner," "reserved," "taciturn," "self-
contained," "private"-narrow, ungenerous words, words that suggest
emotional parsimony and smallness of personality. Female introverts,
I suspect, must suffer especially. In certain circles, particularly
in the Midwest, a man can still sometimes get away with being what
they used to call a strong and silent type; introverted women,
lacking that alternative, are even more likely than men to be
perceived as timid, withdrawn, haughty.

Are introverts arrogant? Hardly. I suppose this common misconception
has to do with our being more intelligent, more reflective, more
independent, more level-headed, more refined, and more sensitive than
extroverts. Also, it is probably due to our lack of small talk, a
lack that extroverts often mistake for disdain. We tend to think
before talking, whereas extroverts tend to think by talking, which is
why their meetings never last less than six hours. "Introverts,"
writes a perceptive fellow named Thomas P. Crouser, in an online
review of a recent book called Why Should Extroverts Make All the
Money? (I'm not making that up, either), "are driven to distraction
by the semi-internal dialogue extroverts tend to conduct. Introverts
don't outwardly complain, instead roll their eyes and silently curse
the darkness." Just so.

The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they
put us through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their
98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to
listen to themselves. Still, we endure stoically, because the
etiquette books-written, no doubt, by extroverts-regard declining to
banter as rude and gaps in conversation as awkward. We can only dream
that someday, when our condition is more widely understood, when
perhaps an Introverts' Rights movement has blossomed and borne fruit,
it will not be impolite to say "I'm an introvert. You are a wonderful
person and I like you. But now please shush."

How can I let the introvert in my life know that I support him and
respect his choice? First, recognize that it's not a choice. It's not
a lifestyle. It's an orientation.

Second, when you see an introvert lost in thought, don't say "What's
the matter?" or "Are you all right?"

Third, don't say anything else, either.







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--- In [email protected], HOMESCHOOL4GOOD@a... wrote:
> Mine was:
>
> INFJ
> 89 11 89 89
>
> Don't know if that is good or bad!
> Kim

Not good or bad, but rare from what I understood.

Ang, another INFJ glad to finally see another one like me!!!!!

Barb Eaton

I did get to this this morning but ya know how time flies...I wasn't
very happy with the teacher title. LOL! Quite a few really were a "it
depends" type thing.

I know as I've gotten older my tolerance level for bs has changed. I
used to be such a pushover. After getting out from under all those thumbs
I'm become...shall I say stronger. <BWWG>

Brenda, I'm a Virgo too. LOL! When's your birthday?


Barb E
"Children have more need of models than of critics."

- Carolyn Coats, Author





Your Type is
ENFJ
Extroverted Intuitive Feeling Judging
Strength of the preferences %
22 22 11 44
ENFJ type description by D.Keirsey
ENFJ type description by J. Butt
Qualitative analysis of your type formula
 You are:

* slightly expressed extrovert
* slightly expressed intuitive personality
* slightly expressed feeling personality
* moderately expressed judging personality


on 6/10/03 3:51 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:

>
> I'm INFJ, with N and F sort of weak, but strongly I and J. I've been told
> in my life that the J makes me an organizer (well, being J, and being a
> virgo).
>
> The I means that I'll really enjoy meeting all of you in South Carolina, and
> then I'll go hide in my room for a while because I've run out of
> people-energy!
>
> Don't take it personally. <g>
>
> brenda

[email protected]

In a message dated 6/11/2003 11:35:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> And Joyce, our illustrious moderator, seems extro too, huh? Quiet as a
> mouse,
> that one! But give her a pen and a blank piece of paper (or computer!) .....

YEP!! She's about the biggest Introvert I've ever met but you'd never know
it from her posts. :) She's very sweet and quiet, smiling all the time.

Ren


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[email protected]

Thanks Tim for catching me on that Good/Bad label I seem to put on people.
Very nasty habit of mine I wish I could kick!

That is so strange that feeling psychic is a common feeling for INFJ people.
I, in no means think I am psychic but maybe that explains all the feelings and
thoughts I've had since childhood. I'm being honest here, I normally don't
tell people any of this anymore because they don't believe me or they think I'm
strange!
For example about 2 years ago, I was washing dishes and I had this thought
that my parents (who are retired and live alone) would have their house broken
into. No reason why, I was just doing dishes. I told my parents that night
because this thought bugged me all day. They told me that they would make sure to
lock the doors and they did every night. 10 days later, my parents woke in the
middle of the night to an intruder in the house who was going through my
mothers jewelry. This guy had got in through a window, the doors were locked.

My mother said when I was little I would always say things like that I vision
something happening/had happened or I know that person is up to no good and
so on. As I get older though I find that I have more and more vibes when
meeting people and more visions & thoughts during the day but none at night while I
sleep.

Another one of the many thoughts I had was on my wedding day. When I said "I
Do" to my then husband.<g>Really! I had this awful thought that I would not be
with this man, who I thought I loved very much, for more than a year. I
chalked it up to insecurity but thought it was odd because I've really never been
insecure BUT I did have a funny feeling about him. My parents said it was
probably that I was scared to get married because I was young. 11 months after the
wedding, he left and took everything we owned with him, including all of our
money!

I've learned over the years to pay more attention to my thoughts, vibes and
such. I really believed for along time that maybe I had these thoughts because
I wanted things like that to happen. I am definitely learning otherwise!

The first day I took our son to the new school here (we had just moved here),
I had a really odd feeling come over me. Weird but true. As my husband and I
stood there waiting for our son to enter the school (he was standing in line)
I saw this boy waiting in another line for a different class than our sons. I
thought that the boy was trouble and that he would one day cause our son a lot
of misery. He was just standing there! My husband told me that was
ridiculous, the kid wasn't even in our sons class, just the mommy worries. After 3
months of school, that same boy was transferred to our sons class because he
couldn't get along with the kids in the class he was in. He tormented our son every
day and in the end he was the leader of the kids that caused our sons injuries.

Kim With her strange but true experiences<g>

<<There is NO GOOD/BAD, people! We're just people :O))

Kim, ever feel psychic? That supposed to be a common feeling for INFJ, tho
the scientists don't claim you ARE...

My (reactive) thots!

Tim >>
<< ----- Original Message -----
From: HOMESCHOOL4GOOD@...

Mine was:

INFJ
89 11 89 89

Don't know if that is good or bad!
Kim >>

[email protected]

In a message dated 6/11/2003 9:30:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Kim With her strange but true experiences<g>

Kewl! I want a psychic reading please...:)

Ren


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In a message dated 6/10/03 8:55:16 PM, treegoddess@... writes:

<< >I let people shit on me far too much.
>

<<Well it's a good thing you had that wall between you and the woman in
the bathroom last week! LOL >>

Yes.

We have lately been discussing "the bathroom in [one's] pants," as when
someone "goes to the bathroom in his pants." Euphemisms are so funny sometimes.

So as to the topic above, it's bad enough I have a bathrom in my pants
without letting someone ELSE use it. <g>

Sandra

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Ren
You're going to have a larger amount of people show up for your 2005
conference than you expected. Prepare now! :-O

Kim

<<Kewl! I want a psychic reading please...:)

Ren>>

Karen McLaughlin

Brenda wrote:
You're all Extroverts! Sheesh. Don't introverts unschool?

I'm INFJ, with N and F sort of weak, but strongly I and J. I've been told
in my life that the J makes me an organizer (well, being J, and being a
virgo).

The I means that I'll really enjoy meeting all of you in South Carolina,
and
then I'll go hide in my room for a while because I've run out of
people-energy!

Don't take it personally. <g>


Hey Brenda! Over here! ::Waving:: (in that quiet introverted way <g>). I'm
an INFJ too - and same as you, strong I & J, weaker on the N & F. I actually
got 100% for introversion - doesn't surprise me at all (or anyone else that
knows me). Too bad I'm not coming to the conference, I won't get to meet
you (course I'd have to run and hide for a while afterwards anyhow <g>).

Thought I'd pass on for the introverts here, a book I read recently called
The Introvert Advantage. It really helped me understand a lot more about my
(frequently misunderstood) personality - I was shocked how much more insight
I now have into what goes on in my head and how to meet my own needs. Sorry
I can't remember the author and feeling too lazy to look it up right now but
I know it's at amazon.com

Karen

Tia Leschke

> Thought I'd pass on for the introverts here, a book I read recently called
> The Introvert Advantage. It really helped me understand a lot more about
my
> (frequently misunderstood) personality - I was shocked how much more
insight
> I now have into what goes on in my head and how to meet my own needs.
Sorry
> I can't remember the author and feeling too lazy to look it up right now
but
> I know it's at amazon.com
>
Must be a good one. Our library has 14 holds on 3 copies. The 14th is
mine. <g>
Tia

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...

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"Rhonda - the ranting ENFP"

AHA! That must be why I like ya so!! :)

And Kelly, I read at another site that an ENFP's natural mate is an INTJ, which Mark happens to be....must be why I like you too!! hehe

Ren, who doesn't care for labels much, but has been obsessed with personality profiles this week.

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In a message dated 6/15/03 4:25:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:

> AHA! That must be why I like ya so!! :)
>

Thanx Ren, I think you are the cat's meow too!!!

Rhonda - currently playing with her kittens Duece & Diva


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