Cordelia Schaffer

I find this very interesting- may I forward it to my local homeschoolers
group?
Cordelia Schaffer
mailto:cordelia@...
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From: FUN (Billy & Nancy) <FUNLists@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:16 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Census and homeschooling


> From: "FUN \(Billy & Nancy\)" <FUNLists@...>
>
> If you read my original post, then you may be interested in the response I
> got from the census. First is the message I sent them followed by the
> response I received:
>
> My message:
> =================
> I am hoping you can refer this to the correct department. Since there is
no
> e-mail address or form provided on the web page for submitting questions
> that are not covered in the FAQ's, I am sending this to you as one of the
> few e-mail addresses I could find on the site.
>
> On the question of school attendance, (form D2, question 8) it is clear
that
> our children attend "regular school" as they are in elementary school and
> working towards a high school diploma (eventually, one is 3rd grade, the
> other 6th). The problem is that the choices for regular school are
"public"
> or "private".
>
> Our children are homeschooled (along with an estimated 1.5 million other
> children in the US - the number is uncertain because many states do not
> track the number of homeschoolers). This is definitely not public school,
> but it also is not "controlled and supported by a religious organization
or
> other private group" unless our family is considered a private group.
>
> Several calls to the help line listed on the form did not provide an
answer.
> They seemed to lean towards "No School" if it wasn't public or private,
but
> basically just kept repeating the definitions of what the options were.
>
> Should homeschooling be considered private school or should we write in a
> new choice?
>
> Billy Greer in Maryland
>
> =======================
> Here is the explanation of the choices from your web site:
>
>
>
> Part A. SCHOOL ATTENDANCE
> Regular School
> Advances a person toward an elementary school certificate, a high school
> diploma, or a college, university, or professional school (such as law or
> medicine) degree. Nursery school and kindergarten are included. Tutoring
or
> correspondence school should be counted only if credit for it can be
> obtained in a "regular school."
> May be public, parochial (church-related), or other private. Attendance
can
> be either by day or night, full time or part time. A school does not have
to
> be graded to qualify as a "regular" school.
> Do not include vocational, trade, or business schools.
>
> Mark the "No, has not attended since February 1" box for people who were
not
> enrolled in regular school. "On-the-job-training" is not school.
>
> Public School
> A PUBLIC SCHOOL is any school which is controlled and supported primarily
by
> a local, county, state, or federal government. Mark the "Yes, public
school
> or public college" box for people who have attended a regular school or
> college at any time from February 1, 2000 to April 1, 2000.
> Private School
> A PRIVATE SCHOOL is a parochial or other private school which is supported
> and controlled primarily by a religious organization or other private
group.
> Private schools may be religious or nonreligious elementary schools,
> secondary schools, colleges, universities, professional schools, nursery
> schools (including preschools and prekindergartens) or Montessori schools.
> Mark the "Yes, private school or private college" box for people who have
> attended a regular school or college at any time from February 1, 2000 to
> April 1, 2000.
>
> Do not assume that the name of the school indicates whether the school is
> public or private. Also, payment of tuition at college does not indicate
the
> school is private.
> ============================================
>
> Now here is the response I got:
> =================================
>
> This is a good one .... but the key to the answer is in the precise
wording
> of
> the questionaire, eg ... has this person attended *regular* school .....
> Apparently the mask behind No 8 is to identify those that are in, how can
I
> put
> it, an institutionalized educational setting, ie either a public or
private
> school. Those selecting the no answer are considered to be in some other
> alternative setting. The final tabulations for this table should give a
> pretty
> good idea on just what this number is, under the assumption that it is
most
> likely made of a majority in the homeschooling network. By the way,
> proceed to
> No 9 and mark what you consider the equivilant grade level to be based on
> your
> judgement/experience.
> ================================
> ================================
>
>
> >From the reply I got, it does appear that the expected selection for
> homeschoolers is to select that the child is NOT attending school in
> question 8, but then to indicate the grade level in question 9. However, I
> wouldn't be surprised if submitting the same question several times
resulted
> in different answers. I don't think homeschoolers were considered when the
> question was formulated.
>
> Have fun with your census forms!
> Billy
> www.FUN-Books.com
> www.unschooling.org
>
>
>
>
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Cordelia,

Feel free to pass it on.

Billy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cordelia Schaffer [mailto:cordelia@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 4:44 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Census and homeschooling
>
>
> From: "Cordelia Schaffer" <cordelia@...>
>
> I find this very interesting- may I forward it to my local homeschoolers
> group?
> Cordelia Schaffer
> mailto:cordelia@...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: FUN (Billy & Nancy) <FUNLists@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:16 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Census and homeschooling
>
>
> > From: "FUN \(Billy & Nancy\)" <FUNLists@...>
> >
> > If you read my original post, then you may be interested in the
> response I
> > got from the census. First is the message I sent them followed by the
> > response I received:
> >
> > My message:
> > =================
> > I am hoping you can refer this to the correct department. Since there is
> no
> > e-mail address or form provided on the web page for submitting questions
> > that are not covered in the FAQ's, I am sending this to you as
> one of the
> > few e-mail addresses I could find on the site.
> >
> > On the question of school attendance, (form D2, question 8) it is clear
> that
> > our children attend "regular school" as they are in elementary
> school and
> > working towards a high school diploma (eventually, one is 3rd grade, the
> > other 6th). The problem is that the choices for regular school are
> "public"
> > or "private".
> >
> > Our children are homeschooled (along with an estimated 1.5 million other
> > children in the US - the number is uncertain because many states do not
> > track the number of homeschoolers). This is definitely not
> public school,
> > but it also is not "controlled and supported by a religious organization
> or
> > other private group" unless our family is considered a private group.
> >
> > Several calls to the help line listed on the form did not provide an
> answer.
> > They seemed to lean towards "No School" if it wasn't public or private,
> but
> > basically just kept repeating the definitions of what the options were.
> >
> > Should homeschooling be considered private school or should we
> write in a
> > new choice?
> >
> > Billy Greer in Maryland
> >
> > =======================
> > Here is the explanation of the choices from your web site:
> >
> >
> >
> > Part A. SCHOOL ATTENDANCE
> > Regular School
> > Advances a person toward an elementary school certificate, a high school
> > diploma, or a college, university, or professional school (such
> as law or
> > medicine) degree. Nursery school and kindergarten are included. Tutoring
> or
> > correspondence school should be counted only if credit for it can be
> > obtained in a "regular school."
> > May be public, parochial (church-related), or other private. Attendance
> can
> > be either by day or night, full time or part time. A school
> does not have
> to
> > be graded to qualify as a "regular" school.
> > Do not include vocational, trade, or business schools.
> >
> > Mark the "No, has not attended since February 1" box for people who were
> not
> > enrolled in regular school. "On-the-job-training" is not school.
> >
> > Public School
> > A PUBLIC SCHOOL is any school which is controlled and supported
> primarily
> by
> > a local, county, state, or federal government. Mark the "Yes, public
> school
> > or public college" box for people who have attended a regular school or
> > college at any time from February 1, 2000 to April 1, 2000.
> > Private School
> > A PRIVATE SCHOOL is a parochial or other private school which
> is supported
> > and controlled primarily by a religious organization or other private
> group.
> > Private schools may be religious or nonreligious elementary schools,
> > secondary schools, colleges, universities, professional schools, nursery
> > schools (including preschools and prekindergartens) or
> Montessori schools.
> > Mark the "Yes, private school or private college" box for
> people who have
> > attended a regular school or college at any time from February
> 1, 2000 to
> > April 1, 2000.
> >
> > Do not assume that the name of the school indicates whether the
> school is
> > public or private. Also, payment of tuition at college does not indicate
> the
> > school is private.
> > ============================================
> >
> > Now here is the response I got:
> > =================================
> >
> > This is a good one .... but the key to the answer is in the precise
> wording
> > of
> > the questionaire, eg ... has this person attended *regular* school .....
> > Apparently the mask behind No 8 is to identify those that are
> in, how can
> I
> > put
> > it, an institutionalized educational setting, ie either a public or
> private
> > school. Those selecting the no answer are considered to be in
> some other
> > alternative setting. The final tabulations for this table
> should give a
> > pretty
> > good idea on just what this number is, under the assumption that it is
> most
> > likely made of a majority in the homeschooling network. By the way,
> > proceed to
> > No 9 and mark what you consider the equivilant grade level to
> be based on
> > your
> > judgement/experience.
> > ================================
> > ================================
> >
> >
> > >From the reply I got, it does appear that the expected selection for
> > homeschoolers is to select that the child is NOT attending school in
> > question 8, but then to indicate the grade level in question 9.
> However, I
> > wouldn't be surprised if submitting the same question several times
> resulted
> > in different answers. I don't think homeschoolers were
> considered when the
> > question was formulated.
> >
> > Have fun with your census forms!
> > Billy
> > www.FUN-Books.com
> > www.unschooling.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
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