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In a message dated 5/31/03 2:19:50 PM, SandraDodd@... writes:

<< I don't think Charlton Heston has ever done anything the least bit slimey
in
real life. >>

I do. And so very slimey, that hearing the name makes my stomach turn. Is
(was) he a great actor? No doubt. Good looking? No doubt. Charisma and
what-have-ya? No -none at all- doubt. A slimey person in real life? Up in the top % of
*as slimey as they get*. Lara....... who tried to hit the delete as to not
start this, but who in fact feels very strongly

Nevermind, not done, I'll bite (I'm usually very good at not biting, but will
today because I just feel like it I guess).

<< He is still with his wife who is the first woman he ever dated. >>

So? Doesn't mean he's not slimey!

<< He raised his kids nicely and did all kinds of physical family vacations
with
them. >>

What's "nicely" mean? Whatever it is, it still doesn't mean he's not slimey.
Physical family vacas? Still doesn't mean he's not slimey.

<< He was good to his mother, and his step father, and his sister. >>

Again, though those are all very noble traits, it still doesn't mean he's not
slimey.

<< He researched his historical parts and characters and locations himself,
instead of
just showing up and taking someone else's word for it. >>

That makes him a good *actor*. What does that have to do with slimeyness?

I happen to like/disslike people for who they *are*. (How they are in our
world. Who they are. What they stand for. What they say. Their beliefs. How they
treat people who are different. And so on.) Not if they're a great actor. So
yes, my first reaction to Charlton Heston, is eeeeeeewwwwwww, because he's so
slimey. Lara............ who is done now

Heidi

well, you mention the things that he does well, and the opinion that
these things don't make him slimey...but you don't say what he does
that DO make him slimey.

So, what does Charlton Heston do that you think makes him slimey?

:)

HeidiC


--- In [email protected], Laramike12@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/31/03 2:19:50 PM, SandraDodd@a... writes:
>
> << I don't think Charlton Heston has ever done anything the least
bit slimey
> in
> real life. >>
>
> I do. And so very slimey, that hearing the name makes my stomach
turn. Is
> (was) he a great actor? No doubt. Good looking? No doubt. Charisma
and
> what-have-ya? No -none at all- doubt. A slimey person in real life?
Up in the top % of
> *as slimey as they get*. Lara....... who tried to hit the
delete as to not
> start this, but who in fact feels very strongly
>
> Nevermind, not done, I'll bite (I'm usually very good at not
biting, but will
> today because I just feel like it I guess).
>
> << He is still with his wife who is the first woman he ever dated.
>>
>
> So? Doesn't mean he's not slimey!
>
> << He raised his kids nicely and did all kinds of physical family
vacations
> with
> them. >>
>
> What's "nicely" mean? Whatever it is, it still doesn't mean he's
not slimey.
> Physical family vacas? Still doesn't mean he's not slimey.
>
> << He was good to his mother, and his step father, and his sister.
>>
>
> Again, though those are all very noble traits, it still doesn't
mean he's not
> slimey.
>
> << He researched his historical parts and characters and locations
himself,
> instead of
> just showing up and taking someone else's word for it. >>
>
> That makes him a good *actor*. What does that have to do with
slimeyness?
>
> I happen to like/disslike people for who they *are*. (How they are
in our
> world. Who they are. What they stand for. What they say. Their
beliefs. How they
> treat people who are different. And so on.) Not if they're a great
actor. So
> yes, my first reaction to Charlton Heston, is eeeeeeewwwwwww,
because he's so
> slimey. Lara............ who is done now

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In a message dated 5/31/03 9:01:58 PM, bunsofaluminum60@... writes:

<< So, what does Charlton Heston do that you think makes him slimey? >>

Basically, the same things that Kathryn pointed out. Definitely the same
things that Michael Moore points out in "Bowling for Columbine"! There's more, but
that's it in a nut shell. Lara...........

Heidi

--- In [email protected], Laramike12@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/31/03 9:01:58 PM, bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
>
> << So, what does Charlton Heston do that you think makes him
slimey? >>
>
> Basically, the same things that Kathryn pointed out. Definitely the
same
> things that Michael Moore points out in "Bowling for Columbine"!
There's more, but
> that's it in a nut shell. Lara...........

Okay, I read Kathryn's post after I posted my question to you. One
thing about Yahoo: It is VERY difficult to follow a thread all the
way to the top, esp. if you tend to leave for a day and come back in
the middle of something. Is there a post about Bowling for Columbine
that I should read before posting further? L

At any rate, these are things that Heston has SAID, not done. I don't
have an opinion one way or the other, except he seems conservative
and I lean towards conservative/libertarian, and therefore I am maybe
inclined not to dislike him for that reason. For the same reason a
liberal politics person would overlook some slimey things about
favorite liberal leaders (Can't think of any right now...
hahahahahaha! Kidding!): because they agree with that person's
politics, they overlook the ugly things they do or say. eh? Ring
true, anyone? Certainly does for me!
HeidiC

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In a message dated 6/1/03 12:03:39 AM, bunsofaluminum60@... writes:

<< At any rate, these are things that Heston has SAID, not done. >>

He did DO things too, that were pointed out in B for C. Besides, I think the
things he's SAID are just as bad!!!

<< For the same reason a

liberal politics person would overlook some slimey things about

favorite liberal leaders >>

I did overlook his slimeyness to say he was indeed a good actor.

<< because they agree with that person's

politics, they overlook the ugly things they do or say. eh? >>

It is THE politics I don't agree with. Not his acting ability!!

If you agree with what all he's said and done, fine. No argument from me. But
I don't, and therefore I have the reaction eeeeeeeeewwwwwwww when I hear his
name.

Lara.........

Robyn Coburn

And just to keep things interesting.Harrison Ford divorced his first
wife in 1979, married Mathieson in '83. My guess would be possibly
unrelated events. Evidently Ford has been honored on numerous occasions
for his environmental/conservation work including having an ant species
named for him, and being asked to name a new butterfly. Also sometimes
pilots for seach and rescue missions.

I guess I have two points: the first is research can change ones view of
things. BTW, bringing the topic back vaguely to education ;) , Ford was
a college dropout, and is described as a "lackluster" C average student
in high school, but a self taught carpenter - still practicing the
craft.

The second point; I reiterate that we aren't in their homes - all we see
is the public face. These guys are actors, remember.

I love The Internet Movie Data Base www.imdb.com <http://www.imdb.com/>




Robyn Coburn













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melissa4123

--- In [email protected], "Heidi"
<bunsofaluminum60@h...> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Laramike12@a... wrote:
"At any rate, these are things that Heston has SAID, not done. I don't
have an opinion one way or the other, except he seems conservative
and I lean towards conservative/libertarian, and therefore I am maybe
inclined not to dislike him for that reason. For the same reason a
liberal politics person would overlook some slimey things about
favorite liberal leaders (Can't think of any right now...
hahahahahaha! Kidding!): because they agree with that person's
politics, they overlook the ugly things they do or say. eh? Ring
true, anyone? Certainly does for me!"
HeidiC

Heidi,

I was just telling my husband that I'm glad I waited to post on this
one because I tend to get over emotional on these things (politics)
and don't say what I really mean. I just ramble on and never make my
point. You said exactly what I wanted to say. I too am conservative
(extremely so) and sometimes feel as though I'm the only one on this
list who is. :) I like Charlton Heston (not his acting) and happen
to agree with most of what he says...hoping this dosen't get me in too
much hot water here.

Melissa

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In a message dated 5/31/03 7:49:56 PM, melissa4123@... writes:

<< I like Charlton Heston (not his acting) and happen

to agree with most of what he says...hoping this dosen't get me in too

much hot water here. >>

I like his acting, and I don't think it should matter to movie lovers what
the beliefs, sexual preferences, marital status or diet of the actors are. When
he played El Cid he was being El Cid. Like or don't like El Cid, like or
don't like the script, but what should it matter what the actor believes about
guns which weren't invented in the middle ages?

He played Marc Antony in Julius Ceasar. Where do politics come into that?
Roman politics? Elizabethan politics? Screen Actor's Guild politics? Why,
though, modern American politics?

It seems to me NOT to be about acting but about identification. Something
creepy and scary, like human sacrifice. Like some (modern fan public??) wanting
to find a perfect specimen to worship, and if he fails (by divorce or bad
attitude or wearing fur or eating meat) KILL HIM!!!! Kill his reputation, at
least, and then we all will feel... what? Superior? Knowledgeable?

It would amuse me if it were funny.

While it is true that art can serve a political end, not all art is
political. And when it is not being political, should the fact that the guy holding
the brush is a lech or a lush affect whether we will say the flowers are
realistic or the colors are moving?

Sandra

melissa4123

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/31/03 7:49:56 PM, melissa4123@y... writes:
>

"I like his acting, and I don't think it should matter to movie lovers
what the beliefs, sexual preferences, marital status or diet of the
actors are. When he played El Cid he was being El Cid. Like or don't
like El Cid, like or don't like the script, but what should it matter
what the actor believes about guns which weren't invented in the
middle ages?"

Sandra

You're right. I've said at least 100 times over the years "I like
him/her but I don't have to live with them." We don't know what
REALLY goes on when they are alone and behind closed doors. All we
are allowed to see is the movies that "they" act in and what the PR
people want us to see and hear.

I, personally, don't pay a whole lot of attention to what celebrities
say (be it about politics or anything else). The only time I really
perk up and listen is when one of them is very outspoken about their
beliefs. In the same why that I would listen to anyone who is as
outspoken as Charleton Heston. I've perked up and listened to several
non famous people (who's names escape me at the moment), especially
lately with everything that's going on with Iraq. I live in CA and
there are PLENTLY of people to listen to right now.

My point was simply that I agree with his politics (at least those
points of view that he makes public), it makes no difference to me
weather or not he is famous. I would agree with him if he was simply
the guy next door. Just as I don't agree with Susan Serandon's
politics, as I wouldn't if she were simply the lady next door. I
certainly am not basing my decisions about who to vote for and what to
believe on what these people have to say....it's just interesting to
talk about them, esp when they make their politics and beliefs so well
known.

Melissa