movie help
elfmama_2
I was hoping someone could help me out...
I'm throwing a suprise party for my mom with a luau/beach theme. I
want to get some movies to play in the background, no sound mostly
just for eye candy. The only ones that I can think of are 'Gidget'
with Sandra Dee. 'Beach Blanket Bingo' and maybe the 'Endless Summer'
movies, all though the first two are more the style I'm looking for.
Any ideas? thanx
Rebecca
I'm throwing a suprise party for my mom with a luau/beach theme. I
want to get some movies to play in the background, no sound mostly
just for eye candy. The only ones that I can think of are 'Gidget'
with Sandra Dee. 'Beach Blanket Bingo' and maybe the 'Endless Summer'
movies, all though the first two are more the style I'm looking for.
Any ideas? thanx
Rebecca
Mark & Kristin Shields
Blue Hawaii, South Pacific
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From: elfmama_2 [SMTP:elfmama@...]
I was hoping someone could help me out...
I'm throwing a suprise party for my mom with a luau/beach theme. I
want to get some movies to play in the background, no sound mostly
just for eye candy. The only ones that I can think of are 'Gidget'
with Sandra Dee. 'Beach Blanket Bingo' and maybe the 'Endless Summer'
movies, all though the first two are more the style I'm looking for.
Any ideas? thanx
Rebecca
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From: elfmama_2 [SMTP:elfmama@...]
I was hoping someone could help me out...
I'm throwing a suprise party for my mom with a luau/beach theme. I
want to get some movies to play in the background, no sound mostly
just for eye candy. The only ones that I can think of are 'Gidget'
with Sandra Dee. 'Beach Blanket Bingo' and maybe the 'Endless Summer'
movies, all though the first two are more the style I'm looking for.
Any ideas? thanx
Rebecca
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In a message dated 5/28/03 12:43:34 PM, elfmama@... writes:
<< I'm throwing a suprise party for my mom with a luau/beach theme. I
want to get some movies to play in the background, no sound mostly
just for eye candy. >>
Blue Hawaii, with Elvis Presley.
Maybe some National Geographic things about Hawaii.
I guess I'd avoid "Ring of Fire," the originally-for-IMAX thing with erupting
volcanoes. <g>
On the DVD of that, though, there's a bonus video which is all close-up of
lava, with music and no voice.
Sandra
<< I'm throwing a suprise party for my mom with a luau/beach theme. I
want to get some movies to play in the background, no sound mostly
just for eye candy. >>
Blue Hawaii, with Elvis Presley.
Maybe some National Geographic things about Hawaii.
I guess I'd avoid "Ring of Fire," the originally-for-IMAX thing with erupting
volcanoes. <g>
On the DVD of that, though, there's a bonus video which is all close-up of
lava, with music and no voice.
Sandra
Mary
Gidget goes Hawaiian
Where The Boys Are
Beach Party
How To Stuff A Wild Bikini
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Where The Boys Are
Beach Party
How To Stuff A Wild Bikini
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Rebecca DeLong
Thanx for all the movie ideas, I was even able to find them all at the library! headin' there tomorrow.
Rebecca
*~*Leave the crowd, look within, and let your dreams soar*~*
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Rebecca
*~*Leave the crowd, look within, and let your dreams soar*~*
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Robyn Coburn
I keep thinking of Blue Lagoon and Swiss Family Robinson. There is also
Diamond Head (Charleton Heston in Hawaii)
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:41 AM
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Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] movie help
I was hoping someone could help me out...
I'm throwing a suprise party for my mom with a luau/beach theme. I
want to get some movies to play in the background, no sound mostly
just for eye candy. The only ones that I can think of are 'Gidget'
with Sandra Dee. 'Beach Blanket Bingo' and maybe the 'Endless Summer'
movies, all though the first two are more the style I'm looking for.
Any ideas? thanx
Rebecca
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From: elfmama_2 [mailto:elfmama@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] movie help
I was hoping someone could help me out...
I'm throwing a suprise party for my mom with a luau/beach theme. I
want to get some movies to play in the background, no sound mostly
just for eye candy. The only ones that I can think of are 'Gidget'
with Sandra Dee. 'Beach Blanket Bingo' and maybe the 'Endless Summer'
movies, all though the first two are more the style I'm looking for.
Any ideas? thanx
Rebecca
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In a message dated 5/30/03 10:00:19 PM, dezigna@... writes:
<< Charleton Heston >>
EEeeeeewwwwww!!!!! Sorry
<< Charleton Heston >>
EEeeeeewwwwww!!!!! Sorry
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In a message dated 5/30/03 10:00:19 PM, dezigna@... writes:
<< (Charleton Heston >>
Sorry, started to write something, decided it was probably totally not
related to unschooling, went to delete it, and accidentally hit send. Sorry.....
Lara.........
<< (Charleton Heston >>
Sorry, started to write something, decided it was probably totally not
related to unschooling, went to delete it, and accidentally hit send. Sorry.....
Lara.........
Robyn Coburn
The movie had some luau scenes as well as lots of vistas of the Hawaiian
country side, and a racial tensions story line. I'm not a fan of the man
much, but some of his movies have been classics.
Robyn Coburn
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country side, and a racial tensions story line. I'm not a fan of the man
much, but some of his movies have been classics.
Robyn Coburn
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In a message dated 5/30/03 6:08:08 PM, Laramike12@... writes:
<< << Charleton Heston >>
<<EEeeeeewwwwww!!!!! Sorry >>
I really love Charlton Heston. I have since I was a kid. I love El Cid most
of all. I love Ben Hur. I love his little bit in Wayne's World II.
Are you "EEeeew" because he's older? Because he's conservative? What
prejudice is at work?
Tell me why you don't like Charlton Heston and I'll tell you why I don't like
Kevin Costner.
Sandra
<< << Charleton Heston >>
<<EEeeeeewwwwww!!!!! Sorry >>
I really love Charlton Heston. I have since I was a kid. I love El Cid most
of all. I love Ben Hur. I love his little bit in Wayne's World II.
Are you "EEeeew" because he's older? Because he's conservative? What
prejudice is at work?
Tell me why you don't like Charlton Heston and I'll tell you why I don't like
Kevin Costner.
Sandra
Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
For starters, Kevin Costner can't act his way out of a paper bag, neither
can Tom Cruise. They're not even particularly nice eye-candy, so maybe
that's why you don't like them?
Charlton Heston was head of the NRA, and a fairly radically-conservative
thinker (he's so 'tight' that his butt squeaked whenever he walked and he
could butt-shoot pacifists at 50 paces with one posteriorly-located,
well-placed .22 cartridge and a single cheek-clench... okay, maybe not, but
will we ever really know for sure?)
Can anyone come up with a redeeming quality for Arnie
Schwartzeneger? ...besides that he's considering a run for political
office? I mean, the sense of humor is terrific, but...
HeidiWD
Monarch Notes guide to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
can Tom Cruise. They're not even particularly nice eye-candy, so maybe
that's why you don't like them?
Charlton Heston was head of the NRA, and a fairly radically-conservative
thinker (he's so 'tight' that his butt squeaked whenever he walked and he
could butt-shoot pacifists at 50 paces with one posteriorly-located,
well-placed .22 cartridge and a single cheek-clench... okay, maybe not, but
will we ever really know for sure?)
Can anyone come up with a redeeming quality for Arnie
Schwartzeneger? ...besides that he's considering a run for political
office? I mean, the sense of humor is terrific, but...
HeidiWD
><<Tell me why you don't like Charlton Heston and I'll tell you why I don't"Self-reliance is the antidote to institutional stupidity." JTGatto,
>like
>Kevin Costner.>>
Monarch Notes guide to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
Mary
From: <SandraDodd@...>
<<Tell me why you don't like Charlton Heston and I'll tell you why I don't
like
Kevin Costner.>>
Oooh, tell me why and maybe I can figure out why I don't like him!!! Not
sure what it is, same with Tom Cruise. Just don't like to watch them. But I
love the movie Dragonfly with Costner. I'm able to get through that one just
fine.
Mary B
<<Tell me why you don't like Charlton Heston and I'll tell you why I don't
like
Kevin Costner.>>
Oooh, tell me why and maybe I can figure out why I don't like him!!! Not
sure what it is, same with Tom Cruise. Just don't like to watch them. But I
love the movie Dragonfly with Costner. I'm able to get through that one just
fine.
Mary B
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on 5/31/03 12:14 AM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
politics. My favorite was The War Lord. Even though he had a goofy hair cut.
So romantic, giving up everything for love :-)
Though I suspect the plot would make me squirm now.
I can't enjoy a lot of the old movies I loved so much as a kid because I'm
bothered by the attitudes towards woman and love. :-(
Joyce
> I really love Charlton Heston. I have since I was a kid. I love El Cid mostOh, me too! Don't like his politics but I didn't watch his movies for his
> of all. I love Ben Hur.
politics. My favorite was The War Lord. Even though he had a goofy hair cut.
So romantic, giving up everything for love :-)
Though I suspect the plot would make me squirm now.
I can't enjoy a lot of the old movies I loved so much as a kid because I'm
bothered by the attitudes towards woman and love. :-(
Joyce
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In a message dated 5/31/2003 2:29:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mummy124@... writes:
does something really slimey in real life, I can't stand to watch him in movies
or performing anymore. From all appearances, it seemed like Tom Cruise left
Nicole and jumped into the waiting arms of Penelope Cruz (could be wrong, don't
follow movie mags). I've never liked him since. Even someone like Phil
Collins...years ago he left his wife of many, many years for someone about 20 or 30
years younger than her. Can't stand to listen to him sing anymore, even the
old stuff.
BTW, I LOVED Dragonfly too....bawled like a baby... I like Kevin Costner,
but my husband says he has no personality....seems like the same character in
all his movies. Can't really argue with that..
Nancy
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mummy124@... writes:
> Oooh, tell me why and maybe I can figure out why I don't like him!!! NotI have this thing, my husband calls it, where if a actor/singer/performer
> sure what it is, same with Tom Cruise. Just don't like to watch them. But I
> love the movie Dragonfly with Costner. I'm able to get through that one just
> fine.
>
does something really slimey in real life, I can't stand to watch him in movies
or performing anymore. From all appearances, it seemed like Tom Cruise left
Nicole and jumped into the waiting arms of Penelope Cruz (could be wrong, don't
follow movie mags). I've never liked him since. Even someone like Phil
Collins...years ago he left his wife of many, many years for someone about 20 or 30
years younger than her. Can't stand to listen to him sing anymore, even the
old stuff.
BTW, I LOVED Dragonfly too....bawled like a baby... I like Kevin Costner,
but my husband says he has no personality....seems like the same character in
all his movies. Can't really argue with that..
Nancy
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In a message dated 5/31/03 6:08:08 AM, KathrynJB@... writes:
<< When he does comedy he's actually pretty good, and I really am not a fan.
He's one of those guys you really wonder what his wife sees in him.... >>
Some women LIKE muscles, money and foreign accents.
I liked looking at him when he was in Conan the Barbarian, before he could
act.
I liked Commando, after he got good.
I liked that one about the futuristic game show whose name I forget, though
it was a little too zippy and rough for me.
Sandra
<< When he does comedy he's actually pretty good, and I really am not a fan.
He's one of those guys you really wonder what his wife sees in him.... >>
Some women LIKE muscles, money and foreign accents.
I liked looking at him when he was in Conan the Barbarian, before he could
act.
I liked Commando, after he got good.
I liked that one about the futuristic game show whose name I forget, though
it was a little too zippy and rough for me.
Sandra
Olga
LMAO--too funny Heidi!!
I don't like any of them, but I must say Tom Cruise didn't look bad
with the long hair. My understanding, as I remember this tidbit
from LONG ago is that Kevin Costner screwed American Indians out of
some land in Montna (I believe) after filming Dances with Wolves
which I love and cannot watch. Big jerk and Hypocrit as far as I am
concerned. These days all my favorites, I cannot watch because I
get to overwhelmed. I buy the movie and it just sits there, oh well
<g>
Olga :)
--- In [email protected], Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
<heidi@d...> wrote:
I don't like any of them, but I must say Tom Cruise didn't look bad
with the long hair. My understanding, as I remember this tidbit
from LONG ago is that Kevin Costner screwed American Indians out of
some land in Montna (I believe) after filming Dances with Wolves
which I love and cannot watch. Big jerk and Hypocrit as far as I am
concerned. These days all my favorites, I cannot watch because I
get to overwhelmed. I buy the movie and it just sits there, oh well
<g>
Olga :)
--- In [email protected], Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
<heidi@d...> wrote:
> For starters, Kevin Costner can't act his way out of a paper bag,neither
> can Tom Cruise. They're not even particularly nice eye-candy, somaybe
> that's why you don't like them?conservative
> Charlton Heston was head of the NRA, and a fairly radically-
> thinker (he's so 'tight' that his butt squeaked whenever he walkedand he
> could butt-shoot pacifists at 50 paces with one posteriorly-located,
> well-placed .22 cartridge and a single cheek-clench... okay, maybenot, but
> will we ever really know for sure?)political
> Can anyone come up with a redeeming quality for Arnie
> Schwartzeneger? ...besides that he's considering a run for
> office? I mean, the sense of humor is terrific, but...I don't
> HeidiWD
>
> ><<Tell me why you don't like Charlton Heston and I'll tell you why
> >likeJTGatto,
> >Kevin Costner.>>
>
>
> "Self-reliance is the antidote to institutional stupidity."
> Monarch Notes guide to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
[email protected]
I don't think Charlton Heston has ever done anything the least bit slimey in
real life. He is still with his wife who is the first woman he ever dated.
He raised his kids nicely and did all kinds of physical family vacations with
them. He was good to his mother, and his step father, and his sister. He
researched his historical parts and characters and locations himself, instead of
just showing up and taking someone else's word for it.
But that said, I have friends who have expressed what you have about certain
actors, and it baffles me (and makes me think they're not too analytical, or
that they have a teen-fan mentality). Maybe it's because they don't really
care about acting or music or whatever it is. Maybe they are using
identification with famous people for something I totally do not understand, but for
example my friend Wendy used to love Harrison Ford above all actors, and owned all
Harrison Ford movies. He left his wife, and she hates Harrison Ford now, and
will not watch his movies, and doesn't want God to let him be on any more
magazine covers.
That's crazy.
And Michael Jackson, even if he has made some unfortunate cosmetic choices
and even if he is an arrested development nutcase, has still written some really
good music and survived a crazed abused life. And he can dance. And there
is video of when he was dancing and NOT so sadly messed up.
My sister decided never to listen to Linda Ronstadt nor to watch The Pirates
of Penzance because they were at the same party in 1972 or some damned time
and Ms. Ronstadt lured someone's boyfriend into private frolic and then left
town. So her music sucks (in my sister's world).
It seems to me the ultimate prejudice to judge someone for a socio-political
sin and to go backwards and brand all his work prior to that as tainted or
unworthy.
That's being done now with the King James Bible, which for hundreds of years
was worshipped by many Christians as the perfect, inspired word of God. Ah,
but lately scholars are saying James was not quite a heterosexual model of the
American family man. Yeah? Duh. *HE* didn't translate the Bible any more
than Elizabeth herself built those ships and sailed against the Spanish Armada
or Victoria personally made everyone sexually uptight. Royalty gets their
label on stuff in England. Ancient tradition.
So now Americans in DROVES are rejecting the King James Version (KJV as it
was once lovingly referred to) for being the evil project of a sodomite. I
suspect the language finally became too archaic for them and they need a reason to
dump it. So homosexuality is scapegoated.
I'm really hoping my kids will judge art on its own merits, not on whether
the artist had a cute butt, or whether the songwriter was a pinko commie. I
don't mind thinking Wendy and my sister and the Jackson 5 detractors are lacking
in philosophy, but I hate to think there are unschoolers who will pass on to
their children that what's REALLY important about music, acting or art is
whether we "like" the artist.
That said, Kevin Costner seems to be paid huge amounts of money for doing a
lame job. He seems to walk through roles and then act like he's just bested
Laurence Olivier. Arrogance, I think. And arrogance without a basis for it.
If it were confidence in true ability, it wouldn't seem arrogant. Maybe he's
a good businessman who can keep his own franchise afloat financially. And
maybe he's there because lots of women find him attractive. I don't, so maybe
because there's no sexual spell woven I see the flaws? Maybe.
Is that the thing with Charlton Heston's anti-fans? They don't think they'd
have ever wanted to go to bed with him no matter when they were born?
Is much of this sort of attraction/revulsion sexual? (My husband would be
wanting to say "yes," that it has to do with fantasy relationships, but lots of
his favorite music has NO "personalities" behind it and he couldn't begin to
tell you who's even in the group, not by name or face.) Can we only cheer on
people we can identify with? If that's true, then only art by the sexy and
commendable is "art"??
Sandra
real life. He is still with his wife who is the first woman he ever dated.
He raised his kids nicely and did all kinds of physical family vacations with
them. He was good to his mother, and his step father, and his sister. He
researched his historical parts and characters and locations himself, instead of
just showing up and taking someone else's word for it.
But that said, I have friends who have expressed what you have about certain
actors, and it baffles me (and makes me think they're not too analytical, or
that they have a teen-fan mentality). Maybe it's because they don't really
care about acting or music or whatever it is. Maybe they are using
identification with famous people for something I totally do not understand, but for
example my friend Wendy used to love Harrison Ford above all actors, and owned all
Harrison Ford movies. He left his wife, and she hates Harrison Ford now, and
will not watch his movies, and doesn't want God to let him be on any more
magazine covers.
That's crazy.
And Michael Jackson, even if he has made some unfortunate cosmetic choices
and even if he is an arrested development nutcase, has still written some really
good music and survived a crazed abused life. And he can dance. And there
is video of when he was dancing and NOT so sadly messed up.
My sister decided never to listen to Linda Ronstadt nor to watch The Pirates
of Penzance because they were at the same party in 1972 or some damned time
and Ms. Ronstadt lured someone's boyfriend into private frolic and then left
town. So her music sucks (in my sister's world).
It seems to me the ultimate prejudice to judge someone for a socio-political
sin and to go backwards and brand all his work prior to that as tainted or
unworthy.
That's being done now with the King James Bible, which for hundreds of years
was worshipped by many Christians as the perfect, inspired word of God. Ah,
but lately scholars are saying James was not quite a heterosexual model of the
American family man. Yeah? Duh. *HE* didn't translate the Bible any more
than Elizabeth herself built those ships and sailed against the Spanish Armada
or Victoria personally made everyone sexually uptight. Royalty gets their
label on stuff in England. Ancient tradition.
So now Americans in DROVES are rejecting the King James Version (KJV as it
was once lovingly referred to) for being the evil project of a sodomite. I
suspect the language finally became too archaic for them and they need a reason to
dump it. So homosexuality is scapegoated.
I'm really hoping my kids will judge art on its own merits, not on whether
the artist had a cute butt, or whether the songwriter was a pinko commie. I
don't mind thinking Wendy and my sister and the Jackson 5 detractors are lacking
in philosophy, but I hate to think there are unschoolers who will pass on to
their children that what's REALLY important about music, acting or art is
whether we "like" the artist.
That said, Kevin Costner seems to be paid huge amounts of money for doing a
lame job. He seems to walk through roles and then act like he's just bested
Laurence Olivier. Arrogance, I think. And arrogance without a basis for it.
If it were confidence in true ability, it wouldn't seem arrogant. Maybe he's
a good businessman who can keep his own franchise afloat financially. And
maybe he's there because lots of women find him attractive. I don't, so maybe
because there's no sexual spell woven I see the flaws? Maybe.
Is that the thing with Charlton Heston's anti-fans? They don't think they'd
have ever wanted to go to bed with him no matter when they were born?
Is much of this sort of attraction/revulsion sexual? (My husband would be
wanting to say "yes," that it has to do with fantasy relationships, but lots of
his favorite music has NO "personalities" behind it and he couldn't begin to
tell you who's even in the group, not by name or face.) Can we only cheer on
people we can identify with? If that's true, then only art by the sexy and
commendable is "art"??
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/31/2003 9:52:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
different, competitive side of him too.
Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> I liked looking at him when he was in Conan the Barbarian, before he couldDid anyone see him in "Pumping Iron"? He was HOT then...:o) Showed a real
> act.
>
different, competitive side of him too.
Nancy
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In a message dated 5/31/03 9:43:17 AM, CelticFrau@... writes:
<< Did anyone see him in "Pumping Iron"? He was HOT then...:o) Showed a
real
different, competitive side of him too. >>
And it showed a business side of him early on!
Sandra
<< Did anyone see him in "Pumping Iron"? He was HOT then...:o) Showed a
real
different, competitive side of him too. >>
And it showed a business side of him early on!
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/31/2003 10:19:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
guns to eat. Walmart stays open 24 hours (usually closes at 11:00) and
school is closed for the first week of deer season. :o) Personally, I like him.
magazine cover, pictured as a loving, loyal husband who dumped his long time wife.
I wonder how it makes his original wife and children feel to see them.
I admire certain actors/artists not only for their acting ability, but their
"causes", views, etc. I love U2, but I also love the band because they donate
tons of money to causes they believe in, they speak against injustices.
Often a song writer will write about his passions, and the line between their
private lives and their music/acting will sort of mesh. Call me crazy, but when
someone is singing "Looks like we made it....", supposedly written about her
and her husband, makes millions on it, and a few months later has left him and
is dating someone else...I just can't look at the song in the same way (not
that I ever liked it to begin with!) When someone is singing about love,
marriage, leading a Christian life, and then leaves her husband of many years to
marry someone else who has left their wife of many years (Amy Grant and Vince
Gill), I just don't have the same respect for them or their "work"...it seems very
hypocritical to me. Remember Michael Landon? He left his wife and family to
start a new one, and was constantly preaching "family values." *shrug* this
sort of thing just bothers me...I guess it's a fault of mine.
real deep problems...self esteem, abuse when he was younger, never being able
to BE a child. None of these things were addressed and when he tried to fix
things in his own way (cosmetic surgery, fantasy living (?)) it was all done
in the public eye. He was/is a very talented person who just has a lot of
problems. :o(
background, we have problems with it in other areas...things being left out, others
being added. I think Christians are just being dealt now what Catholics have
been saddled with their whole lives...being labled "unrighteous" because of
things like the crusades, indulgences, etc...things their "leaders" or those in
charge did in the name of their religion.
boyfriend..as a human being how could she ever look at Linda Ronstadt the same?
What if Linda Ronstadt had called Hispanic American's dirty spics then made
an album of Mexican music? Would she deserve respect from Hispanic people
because she has a lovely voice?
I love the book, 'The Education of Little Tree"....but it DOES sadden me to
know that the author also wrote white supremecist speeches...I just can't
look at it the same way. If it turned out that a favorite actor of mine
supported a cause I absolutely disagreed with, should I give him more money to support
that cause by buying his DVD's because he's a great actor? He's a
hypocritical pig...who CARES what a great actor he is...there are PLENTY of other great
actors out there, unknowns who have never gotten a break.
been married for a long, long time, through thick and thin, through stardom
and all, then once at the top, they dump the one who helped them get there.
Maybe it's just a loyalty thing.
Nancy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> I don't think Charlton Heston has ever done anything the least bit slimeyAround here, he's almost viewed as a hero, as many, many people rely on their
> in
> real life. He is still with his wife who is the first woman he ever dated.
>
> He raised his kids nicely and did all kinds of physical family vacations
> with
> them. He was good to his mother, and his step father, and his sister. He
> researched his historical parts and characters and locations himself,
> instead of
> just showing up and taking someone else's word for it.
guns to eat. Walmart stays open 24 hours (usually closes at 11:00) and
school is closed for the first week of deer season. :o) Personally, I like him.
> Maybe it's because they don't reallyI don't know if I'd call it crazy. It's hypocritical for him to be on a
> care about acting or music or whatever it is. Maybe they are using
> identification with famous people for something I totally do not understand,
> but for
> example my friend Wendy used to love Harrison Ford above all actors, and
> owned all
> Harrison Ford movies. He left his wife, and she hates Harrison Ford now,
> and
> will not watch his movies, and doesn't want God to let him be on any more
> magazine covers.
>
> That's crazy.
magazine cover, pictured as a loving, loyal husband who dumped his long time wife.
I wonder how it makes his original wife and children feel to see them.
I admire certain actors/artists not only for their acting ability, but their
"causes", views, etc. I love U2, but I also love the band because they donate
tons of money to causes they believe in, they speak against injustices.
Often a song writer will write about his passions, and the line between their
private lives and their music/acting will sort of mesh. Call me crazy, but when
someone is singing "Looks like we made it....", supposedly written about her
and her husband, makes millions on it, and a few months later has left him and
is dating someone else...I just can't look at the song in the same way (not
that I ever liked it to begin with!) When someone is singing about love,
marriage, leading a Christian life, and then leaves her husband of many years to
marry someone else who has left their wife of many years (Amy Grant and Vince
Gill), I just don't have the same respect for them or their "work"...it seems very
hypocritical to me. Remember Michael Landon? He left his wife and family to
start a new one, and was constantly preaching "family values." *shrug* this
sort of thing just bothers me...I guess it's a fault of mine.
>I think the saddest thing about Michael Jackson is that he obviously had some
> And Michael Jackson, even if he has made some unfortunate cosmetic choices
> and even if he is an arrested development nutcase, has still written some
> really
> good music and survived a crazed abused life. And he can dance. And there
>
> is video of when he was dancing and NOT so sadly messed up.
real deep problems...self esteem, abuse when he was younger, never being able
to BE a child. None of these things were addressed and when he tried to fix
things in his own way (cosmetic surgery, fantasy living (?)) it was all done
in the public eye. He was/is a very talented person who just has a lot of
problems. :o(
> That's being done now with the King James Bible, which for hundreds ofI don't know if homosexuality is the whole thing...being of a Catholic
> years
> was worshipped by many Christians as the perfect, inspired word of God.
> Ah,
> but lately scholars are saying James was not quite a heterosexual model of
> the
> American family man. Yeah? Duh. *HE* didn't translate the Bible any more
>
> than Elizabeth herself built those ships and sailed against the Spanish
> Armada
> or Victoria personally made everyone sexually uptight. Royalty gets their
> label on stuff in England. Ancient tradition.
>
> So now Americans in DROVES are rejecting the King James Version (KJV as it
> was once lovingly referred to) for being the evil project of a sodomite. I
> suspect the language finally became too archaic for them and they need a
> reason to
> dump it. So homosexuality is scapegoated.
background, we have problems with it in other areas...things being left out, others
being added. I think Christians are just being dealt now what Catholics have
been saddled with their whole lives...being labled "unrighteous" because of
things like the crusades, indulgences, etc...things their "leaders" or those in
charge did in the name of their religion.
>With the whole Linda Ronstadt thing...what if she had stolen your SISTER'S
> I'm really hoping my kids will judge art on its own merits, not on whether
> the artist had a cute butt, or whether the songwriter was a pinko commie. I
>
> don't mind thinking Wendy and my sister and the Jackson 5 detractors are
> lacking
> in philosophy, but I hate to think there are unschoolers who will pass on to
>
> their children that what's REALLY important about music, acting or art is
> whether we "like" the artist.
boyfriend..as a human being how could she ever look at Linda Ronstadt the same?
What if Linda Ronstadt had called Hispanic American's dirty spics then made
an album of Mexican music? Would she deserve respect from Hispanic people
because she has a lovely voice?
I love the book, 'The Education of Little Tree"....but it DOES sadden me to
know that the author also wrote white supremecist speeches...I just can't
look at it the same way. If it turned out that a favorite actor of mine
supported a cause I absolutely disagreed with, should I give him more money to support
that cause by buying his DVD's because he's a great actor? He's a
hypocritical pig...who CARES what a great actor he is...there are PLENTY of other great
actors out there, unknowns who have never gotten a break.
>Maybe. Hubby says he just has the personality of a sweatsock.
> That said, Kevin Costner seems to be paid huge amounts of money for doing a
> lame job. He seems to walk through roles and then act like he's just bested
>
> Laurence Olivier. Arrogance, I think. And arrogance without a basis for
> it.
> If it were confidence in true ability, it wouldn't seem arrogant. Maybe
> he's
> a good businessman who can keep his own franchise afloat financially. And
> maybe he's there because lots of women find him attractive. I don't, so
> maybe
> because there's no sexual spell woven I see the flaws? Maybe.
> Can we only cheer onNah, I don't think so. I personally just have a "thing" with people who have
> people we can identify with? If that's true, then only art by the sexy and
> commendable is "art"??
>
been married for a long, long time, through thick and thin, through stardom
and all, then once at the top, they dump the one who helped them get there.
Maybe it's just a loyalty thing.
Nancy
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Mary
From: "Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema" <heidi@...>
<<Can anyone come up with a redeeming quality for Arnie
Schwartzeneger? ...besides that he's considering a run for political
office? I mean, the sense of humor is terrific, but...>>
I love action movies. Real action blow em up kill em movies. There isn't
anyone who can kick ass like Arnold. That's redeeming to me!!! LOL!!!
Mary B
<<Can anyone come up with a redeeming quality for Arnie
Schwartzeneger? ...besides that he's considering a run for political
office? I mean, the sense of humor is terrific, but...>>
I love action movies. Real action blow em up kill em movies. There isn't
anyone who can kick ass like Arnold. That's redeeming to me!!! LOL!!!
Mary B
Mary
From: <CelticFrau@...>
<<BTW, I LOVED Dragonfly too....bawled like a baby... I like Kevin Costner,
but my husband says he has no personality....seems like the same character
in
all his movies. Can't really argue with that..>>
You know I don't really give much thought about why I like or don't like
people I don't know. I either do or don't. But I think that is a factor with
Costner. Same thing all the time. Seems boring. Maybe between the subject of
the movie Dragonfly and him being so confused and out of it in the movie
(possibly not a stretch for him!) that's why I love that one.
Mary B
<<BTW, I LOVED Dragonfly too....bawled like a baby... I like Kevin Costner,
but my husband says he has no personality....seems like the same character
in
all his movies. Can't really argue with that..>>
You know I don't really give much thought about why I like or don't like
people I don't know. I either do or don't. But I think that is a factor with
Costner. Same thing all the time. Seems boring. Maybe between the subject of
the movie Dragonfly and him being so confused and out of it in the movie
(possibly not a stretch for him!) that's why I love that one.
Mary B
Mary
From: <SandraDodd@...>
<<It seems to me the ultimate prejudice to judge someone for a
socio-political
sin and to go backwards and brand all his work prior to that as tainted or
unworthy.>>
I agree. We can not like what they did or how they seem on a talk show but
when it's come to someone's music or acting or talent, well you have to just
look and see that they are really good. Doesn't really change the way you
feel about them. Someone leaving their spouse should have no bearing. We
really have NO idea what they are like behind closed doors. When I divorced
my first husband, everyone wondered why, he was such a sweetheart. Little
did they know and from what they saw, he was an angel. Home alone can be a
whole different story!!!!
I'm a big football nut. I have to admit Danny Marino was a great
quarterback. I can't stand him though personally. Doesn't take away what
he's accomplished. I wouldn't stand in line for an autograph but I went to
the games. Terry Bradshaw, not half as good. Really nice guy. Joe Namath, in
between on both aspects!!!
<<Is much of this sort of attraction/revulsion sexual? (My husband would be
wanting to say "yes," that it has to do with fantasy relationships, but lots
of
his favorite music has NO "personalities" behind it and he couldn't begin to
tell you who's even in the group, not by name or face.) Can we only cheer
on
people we can identify with? If that's true, then only art by the sexy and
commendable is "art"??>>
My husband and I have this running joke. When I look at a guy, any guy,
either right in front of me or on tv, I see him as doable or not. (gasp!!!!)
What can I say, for as long as I can remember, I've thought this way. Never
act on it, but it comes to my mind right away. Joe will be the first to ask
me when I comment to someone and my friends do too. It's a big joke. Anyway,
just because I like someone doesn't mean I see them as doable. Like I would
go in a heartbeat to an Arnold S. movie, but he is in no way someone I would
do. So for me it is sexual but not in a I like what you do kind of way. I
guess I'm strange!!
Mary B
<<It seems to me the ultimate prejudice to judge someone for a
socio-political
sin and to go backwards and brand all his work prior to that as tainted or
unworthy.>>
I agree. We can not like what they did or how they seem on a talk show but
when it's come to someone's music or acting or talent, well you have to just
look and see that they are really good. Doesn't really change the way you
feel about them. Someone leaving their spouse should have no bearing. We
really have NO idea what they are like behind closed doors. When I divorced
my first husband, everyone wondered why, he was such a sweetheart. Little
did they know and from what they saw, he was an angel. Home alone can be a
whole different story!!!!
I'm a big football nut. I have to admit Danny Marino was a great
quarterback. I can't stand him though personally. Doesn't take away what
he's accomplished. I wouldn't stand in line for an autograph but I went to
the games. Terry Bradshaw, not half as good. Really nice guy. Joe Namath, in
between on both aspects!!!
<<Is much of this sort of attraction/revulsion sexual? (My husband would be
wanting to say "yes," that it has to do with fantasy relationships, but lots
of
his favorite music has NO "personalities" behind it and he couldn't begin to
tell you who's even in the group, not by name or face.) Can we only cheer
on
people we can identify with? If that's true, then only art by the sexy and
commendable is "art"??>>
My husband and I have this running joke. When I look at a guy, any guy,
either right in front of me or on tv, I see him as doable or not. (gasp!!!!)
What can I say, for as long as I can remember, I've thought this way. Never
act on it, but it comes to my mind right away. Joe will be the first to ask
me when I comment to someone and my friends do too. It's a big joke. Anyway,
just because I like someone doesn't mean I see them as doable. Like I would
go in a heartbeat to an Arnold S. movie, but he is in no way someone I would
do. So for me it is sexual but not in a I like what you do kind of way. I
guess I'm strange!!
Mary B
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In a message dated 5/31/03 10:57:13 AM, mummy124@... writes:
<<
I love action movies. Real action blow em up kill em movies. There isn't
anyone who can kick ass like Arnold. That's redeeming to me!!! LOL!!! >>
He's doing a TV special this week on good guys and bad guys in movies.
I bought a TV guide for the first time in a year or more to read about that
(and because I was out of unread magazines) and now I can't find it.
Sandra
<<
I love action movies. Real action blow em up kill em movies. There isn't
anyone who can kick ass like Arnold. That's redeeming to me!!! LOL!!! >>
He's doing a TV special this week on good guys and bad guys in movies.
I bought a TV guide for the first time in a year or more to read about that
(and because I was out of unread magazines) and now I can't find it.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/31/03 10:55:33 AM, CelticFrau@... writes:
<< What if Linda Ronstadt had called Hispanic American's dirty spics then
made
an album of Mexican music? Would she deserve respect from Hispanic people
because she has a lovely voice? >>
Her grandmother's Mexican, isn't she? so I don't think she would do that.
It seems another instance of trying to own people and tell them what to do
and how to live and announcing that they've failed.
Sandra
<< What if Linda Ronstadt had called Hispanic American's dirty spics then
made
an album of Mexican music? Would she deserve respect from Hispanic people
because she has a lovely voice? >>
Her grandmother's Mexican, isn't she? so I don't think she would do that.
It seems another instance of trying to own people and tell them what to do
and how to live and announcing that they've failed.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/31/03 11:10:25 AM, mummy124@... writes:
<< Someone leaving their spouse should have no bearing. We
really have NO idea what they are like behind closed doors. When I divorced
my first husband, everyone wondered why, he was such a sweetheart. Little
did they know and from what they saw, he was an angel. Home alone can be a
whole different story!!!! >>
I divorced someone lots of people loved to pieces (because they didn't have
to live with him) and as recently as three years ago I heard yet ANOTHER story
of something he had not been honest and law-abiding about. But he was VERY
funny, and strong, and mechanical and creative. Gradually people who were
angry with me about leaving got to know Keith better (he had been six years
younger, cocky, unemployed and irritating to most other people at the time) and got
to know Jimbo better (his humor shut down in private, and he was
irresponsible) and my reputation grew back with friends and family over the years that
they saw what I had seen.
Divorces aren't always petty and spurious, and I think the more public a
relationship is, the harder most people will work to maintain it, since a breakup
will be dissected for months or years.
Sandra
<< Someone leaving their spouse should have no bearing. We
really have NO idea what they are like behind closed doors. When I divorced
my first husband, everyone wondered why, he was such a sweetheart. Little
did they know and from what they saw, he was an angel. Home alone can be a
whole different story!!!! >>
I divorced someone lots of people loved to pieces (because they didn't have
to live with him) and as recently as three years ago I heard yet ANOTHER story
of something he had not been honest and law-abiding about. But he was VERY
funny, and strong, and mechanical and creative. Gradually people who were
angry with me about leaving got to know Keith better (he had been six years
younger, cocky, unemployed and irritating to most other people at the time) and got
to know Jimbo better (his humor shut down in private, and he was
irresponsible) and my reputation grew back with friends and family over the years that
they saw what I had seen.
Divorces aren't always petty and spurious, and I think the more public a
relationship is, the harder most people will work to maintain it, since a breakup
will be dissected for months or years.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/31/03 1:52:58 PM, SandraDodd@... writes:
<< I liked looking at him when he was in Conan the Barbarian, before he could
act. >>
Before???? <g> Lara......... who thinks he still can not
<< I liked looking at him when he was in Conan the Barbarian, before he could
act. >>
Before???? <g> Lara......... who thinks he still can not
Mary
From: <SandraDodd@...>
<<I divorced someone lots of people loved to pieces (because they didn't
have
to live with him) and as recently as three years ago I heard yet ANOTHER
story
of something he had not been honest and law-abiding about. But he was VERY
funny, and strong, and mechanical and creative. Gradually people who were
angry with me about leaving got to know Keith better (he had been six years
younger, cocky, unemployed and irritating to most other people at the time)
and got
to know Jimbo better (his humor shut down in private, and he was
irresponsible) and my reputation grew back with friends and family over the
years that
they saw what I had seen.>>
Some pretty close to my situation too. All my friends were his friends and
it was hard after I left. Then a very nasty custody battle unsued and no one
wanted to get involved. I left them all behind and started over with new
friends. Plus my choice of partners wasn't at all what people were
accustomed to. I went from a short, bald, older already divorced oldies
listening have to have everyone love him guy to a tall, mop headed, younger
never married hard rock listening not give a shit kind of guy!!!
The first treated me like a child and the second like a person. Didn't seem
to matter when it came to other peoples opinions. It's sad really.
So now Tara's dad is living in the same old house in the same run down
neighborhood with a friend who has no car and works at a licquor store.
Tara's dad rarely works and when he does it's at a drugstore. He drives a
car his parents gave him and still talks a big story. He's 52 and prety much
alone. Friends don't stay long once they get the idea of his BS. I feel sad
for Tara having a dad like that. She gets embarrassed sometimes.
Mary B
<<I divorced someone lots of people loved to pieces (because they didn't
have
to live with him) and as recently as three years ago I heard yet ANOTHER
story
of something he had not been honest and law-abiding about. But he was VERY
funny, and strong, and mechanical and creative. Gradually people who were
angry with me about leaving got to know Keith better (he had been six years
younger, cocky, unemployed and irritating to most other people at the time)
and got
to know Jimbo better (his humor shut down in private, and he was
irresponsible) and my reputation grew back with friends and family over the
years that
they saw what I had seen.>>
Some pretty close to my situation too. All my friends were his friends and
it was hard after I left. Then a very nasty custody battle unsued and no one
wanted to get involved. I left them all behind and started over with new
friends. Plus my choice of partners wasn't at all what people were
accustomed to. I went from a short, bald, older already divorced oldies
listening have to have everyone love him guy to a tall, mop headed, younger
never married hard rock listening not give a shit kind of guy!!!
The first treated me like a child and the second like a person. Didn't seem
to matter when it came to other peoples opinions. It's sad really.
So now Tara's dad is living in the same old house in the same run down
neighborhood with a friend who has no car and works at a licquor store.
Tara's dad rarely works and when he does it's at a drugstore. He drives a
car his parents gave him and still talks a big story. He's 52 and prety much
alone. Friends don't stay long once they get the idea of his BS. I feel sad
for Tara having a dad like that. She gets embarrassed sometimes.
Mary B
Rebecca DeLong
SandraDodd@... wrote:
<<<I liked that one about the futuristic game show whose name I forget, though
it was a little too zippy and rough for me.>>>
'Running Man' it was based -loosely, I might add- off a short story by Steven King, writing as Richard Bachman. It's in the 'Bachman Books, Four Early Novels'
The story was good, the movie not as, but then I find very few Steven King storys make good movies.
Rebecca
*~*Leave the crowd, look within, and let your dreams soar*~*
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<<<I liked that one about the futuristic game show whose name I forget, though
it was a little too zippy and rough for me.>>>
'Running Man' it was based -loosely, I might add- off a short story by Steven King, writing as Richard Bachman. It's in the 'Bachman Books, Four Early Novels'
The story was good, the movie not as, but then I find very few Steven King storys make good movies.
Rebecca
*~*Leave the crowd, look within, and let your dreams soar*~*
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In a message dated 5/31/03 4:55:22 PM, CelticFrau@... writes:
<< Around here, he's almost viewed as a hero, as many, many people rely on
their
guns to eat. >>
Do they need automatic weapons (and not that they'd need them in five days)
to eat?
<< I admire certain actors/artists not only for their acting ability, but
their
"causes", views, etc. >>
Me Too!! Like I don't much care for U2's music, but I love them as a band
that does what they do. I bought their CD because of it (and gave it to my kids
in case they'd like it, which they do, so it worked out perfect). I LOVE the
version of Landslide by the Dixie Chicks, and was thinking about getting the CD
just for that song. (Do not like country music.) Then, when they got
annihilated for doing the very thing that is supposed to be this country's back legs
(saying an opinion), I went and bought two copies to show support. And would
have bought more as gifts if I could! (And if you could wear a CD out, I'd have
already done it, I LOVE that song!! But still trying to get up the nerve to
listen to the rest <g>.) Lara..........
<< Around here, he's almost viewed as a hero, as many, many people rely on
their
guns to eat. >>
Do they need automatic weapons (and not that they'd need them in five days)
to eat?
<< I admire certain actors/artists not only for their acting ability, but
their
"causes", views, etc. >>
Me Too!! Like I don't much care for U2's music, but I love them as a band
that does what they do. I bought their CD because of it (and gave it to my kids
in case they'd like it, which they do, so it worked out perfect). I LOVE the
version of Landslide by the Dixie Chicks, and was thinking about getting the CD
just for that song. (Do not like country music.) Then, when they got
annihilated for doing the very thing that is supposed to be this country's back legs
(saying an opinion), I went and bought two copies to show support. And would
have bought more as gifts if I could! (And if you could wear a CD out, I'd have
already done it, I LOVE that song!! But still trying to get up the nerve to
listen to the rest <g>.) Lara..........