peace and dramatic cluelessness (was Re: Oyate - Books to avoid)
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In a message dated 5/15/03 12:36:14 PM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< But if we all sit happy fat and sassy in our own private unschooling
worlds >>
You are REALLY pissing me off now.
If people were sitting in my own private worlds, you wouldn't have this list
to come and irritate people on.
<< Wonder how we
would feel if some sicko person did something dreadful to one of our
children?>>
DO YOU!?
Do you think the rest of us don't care about sickos, but you do?
Why don't you log off and go prevent some child abuse, unlike the rest of us
who are just isolated in our peaceful unschooling homes?
<<We cannot sit in our peaceful little worlds and ignore the pain and
suffering
happening right outside our doorsteps. >>
You are a friggin' idiot if you haven't figured out where you are on this
list and who else is here and that MUCH pain and suffering is averted every
SINGLE DAY by people who have taken their children out of school and changed
from traditional parenting to some really pretty high-powered awareness
directly because of online discussions and online resources written by
volunteer unschooling parents.
Sandra
<< But if we all sit happy fat and sassy in our own private unschooling
worlds >>
You are REALLY pissing me off now.
If people were sitting in my own private worlds, you wouldn't have this list
to come and irritate people on.
<< Wonder how we
would feel if some sicko person did something dreadful to one of our
children?>>
DO YOU!?
Do you think the rest of us don't care about sickos, but you do?
Why don't you log off and go prevent some child abuse, unlike the rest of us
who are just isolated in our peaceful unschooling homes?
<<We cannot sit in our peaceful little worlds and ignore the pain and
suffering
happening right outside our doorsteps. >>
You are a friggin' idiot if you haven't figured out where you are on this
list and who else is here and that MUCH pain and suffering is averted every
SINGLE DAY by people who have taken their children out of school and changed
from traditional parenting to some really pretty high-powered awareness
directly because of online discussions and online resources written by
volunteer unschooling parents.
Sandra
Mary
The great unschooling guru Sandra Dodd calls someone a friggin idiot and no
one says a word about it.
It's not the first time I have read name calling on this list and as long as
it's not directed at one of the popular list members, it seems to be
perfectly fine.
That's pathetic!
Mary B
one says a word about it.
It's not the first time I have read name calling on this list and as long as
it's not directed at one of the popular list members, it seems to be
perfectly fine.
That's pathetic!
Mary B
jmcseals SEALS
I'm not going to say it was in the best taste, but when you're beating your
head against a brick wall, sometimes those things slip out. <bwg>
<<The great unschooling guru Sandra Dodd *snip*>>
But, just to be fair to both *sides* ...that was a bit snarky of you as
well.
Two wrong turns put you in reverse.
Peace,
Jennifer
<<<The great unschooling guru Sandra Dodd calls someone a friggin idiot and
no
one says a word about it.
It's not the first time I have read name calling on this list and as long as
it's not directed at one of the popular list members, it seems to be
perfectly fine.
That's pathetic!>>>
Mary B
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head against a brick wall, sometimes those things slip out. <bwg>
<<The great unschooling guru Sandra Dodd *snip*>>
But, just to be fair to both *sides* ...that was a bit snarky of you as
well.
Two wrong turns put you in reverse.
Peace,
Jennifer
<<<The great unschooling guru Sandra Dodd calls someone a friggin idiot and
no
one says a word about it.
It's not the first time I have read name calling on this list and as long as
it's not directed at one of the popular list members, it seems to be
perfectly fine.
That's pathetic!>>>
Mary B
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Mary
From: "jmcseals SEALS" <jmcseals@...>
<<I'm not going to say it was in the best taste, but when you're beating
your
head against a brick wall, sometimes those things slip out. <bwg>
The great unschooling guru Sandra Dodd *snip*>>
But, just to be fair to both *sides* ...that was a bit snarky of you as
well.
Two wrong turns put you in reverse.>>
So when a not so popular member gets on someone's nerves, the "good" members
can whine for the moderator to make her stop or suggest to the offender they
might want to go elsewhere. When a "good" member gets on a not so popular
members nerves, that person is told to ignore the post and just delete.
And when the unpopular members say something confusing, they are told not to
post unless their words are perfectly clear. You just justified a direct
insult as a slip. Talking for someone else too which also has been mentioned
here as something not to do in a not so nice way. You seem to have a problem
with "unschooling guru" enough to post about it but again, nothing on
"friggin idiot."
You proved my point.
Mary B
<<I'm not going to say it was in the best taste, but when you're beating
your
head against a brick wall, sometimes those things slip out. <bwg>
The great unschooling guru Sandra Dodd *snip*>>
But, just to be fair to both *sides* ...that was a bit snarky of you as
well.
Two wrong turns put you in reverse.>>
So when a not so popular member gets on someone's nerves, the "good" members
can whine for the moderator to make her stop or suggest to the offender they
might want to go elsewhere. When a "good" member gets on a not so popular
members nerves, that person is told to ignore the post and just delete.
And when the unpopular members say something confusing, they are told not to
post unless their words are perfectly clear. You just justified a direct
insult as a slip. Talking for someone else too which also has been mentioned
here as something not to do in a not so nice way. You seem to have a problem
with "unschooling guru" enough to post about it but again, nothing on
"friggin idiot."
You proved my point.
Mary B
jmcseals SEALS
** You seem to have a problem with "unschooling guru" enough to post about
it but again, nothing on
"friggin idiot."
You proved my point.
Mary B***
Well, I'm glad I could be of point proving service to you, but good grief
woman, did you not see this ?:
<<I'm not going to say it was in the best taste, *snip*>>
To make it clear, NO, I didn't think 'friggin idiot' was said in good taste.
I didn't think "great unschooling guru" or "happy fat and sassy" was said
in good taste either. They were all unneeded comments. I'm sure you think
what I'm saying to you is unneeded too. I was just saying that people screw
up sometimes, especially when in a heated arguement. Call me rude, but put
your feathers down, I thought you were deleting my posts.?. I can't make
everyone happy. No one here can. As someone just recently pointed out,
there are other people who feel the same way but just refrain from saying
so. That goes for any conversation carried on at this list. Some of "us"
are just more vocal than others. I'm not going keep my mouth shut if I see
something I disagree with. Sometimes that means irritating another person,
sometimes it means sticking my foot in my own mouth. The beautiful part is
I won't ask you to keep your mouth shut either, even when you irritate
someone else and even when you stick your foot in your own mouth. If that
requires moderating, fine. But *I* think the beauty of this list is that,
so far, no one has to 'watch' their words and opinions to please a minute
amount of people. Sure, the bickering gets old sometimes, but it's well
worth the eye opening information sometimes gleaned from the posts that
result. I didn't get involved in the racism thread but I sure as hell
learned an awful lot just by listening. Had there not been such bickering,
there wouldn't have been such thought provoking information shared. Simple
as that.
Jennifer
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it but again, nothing on
"friggin idiot."
You proved my point.
Mary B***
Well, I'm glad I could be of point proving service to you, but good grief
woman, did you not see this ?:
<<I'm not going to say it was in the best taste, *snip*>>
To make it clear, NO, I didn't think 'friggin idiot' was said in good taste.
I didn't think "great unschooling guru" or "happy fat and sassy" was said
in good taste either. They were all unneeded comments. I'm sure you think
what I'm saying to you is unneeded too. I was just saying that people screw
up sometimes, especially when in a heated arguement. Call me rude, but put
your feathers down, I thought you were deleting my posts.?. I can't make
everyone happy. No one here can. As someone just recently pointed out,
there are other people who feel the same way but just refrain from saying
so. That goes for any conversation carried on at this list. Some of "us"
are just more vocal than others. I'm not going keep my mouth shut if I see
something I disagree with. Sometimes that means irritating another person,
sometimes it means sticking my foot in my own mouth. The beautiful part is
I won't ask you to keep your mouth shut either, even when you irritate
someone else and even when you stick your foot in your own mouth. If that
requires moderating, fine. But *I* think the beauty of this list is that,
so far, no one has to 'watch' their words and opinions to please a minute
amount of people. Sure, the bickering gets old sometimes, but it's well
worth the eye opening information sometimes gleaned from the posts that
result. I didn't get involved in the racism thread but I sure as hell
learned an awful lot just by listening. Had there not been such bickering,
there wouldn't have been such thought provoking information shared. Simple
as that.
Jennifer
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Excuse me - I'm happy, fat and sassy.....really, I'm pretty much okay with it.
I would like to drop 30 pounds....well, okay, maybe I'm not "fat" - maybe 'just past plump'
or plump
no, I guess I'll go w/ fat.
Although, in my defense, it's so much quicker and easier to 'get' fat when you're 5'1 & 3/4.
Janis, who is putting the croissant down
I would like to drop 30 pounds....well, okay, maybe I'm not "fat" - maybe 'just past plump'
or plump
no, I guess I'll go w/ fat.
Although, in my defense, it's so much quicker and easier to 'get' fat when you're 5'1 & 3/4.
Janis, who is putting the croissant down
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From: jmcseals SEALS
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] peace and dramatic cluelessness (was Re: Oyate - Books to avoid)
** You seem to have a problem with "unschooling guru" enough to post about
it but again, nothing on
"friggin idiot."
You proved my point.
Mary B***
Well, I'm glad I could be of point proving service to you, but good grief
woman, did you not see this ?:
<<I'm not going to say it was in the best taste, *snip*>>
To make it clear, NO, I didn't think 'friggin idiot' was said in good taste.
I didn't think "great unschooling guru" or "happy fat and sassy" was said
in good taste either. They were all unneeded comments. I'm sure you think
what I'm saying to you is unneeded too. I was just saying that people screw
up sometimes, especially when in a heated arguement. Call me rude, but put
your feathers down, I thought you were deleting my posts.?. I can't make
everyone happy. No one here can. As someone just recently pointed out,
there are other people who feel the same way but just refrain from saying
so. That goes for any conversation carried on at this list. Some of "us"
are just more vocal than others. I'm not going keep my mouth shut if I see
something I disagree with. Sometimes that means irritating another person,
sometimes it means sticking my foot in my own mouth. The beautiful part is
I won't ask you to keep your mouth shut either, even when you irritate
someone else and even when you stick your foot in your own mouth. If that
requires moderating, fine. But *I* think the beauty of this list is that,
so far, no one has to 'watch' their words and opinions to please a minute
amount of people. Sure, the bickering gets old sometimes, but it's well
worth the eye opening information sometimes gleaned from the posts that
result. I didn't get involved in the racism thread but I sure as hell
learned an awful lot just by listening. Had there not been such bickering,
there wouldn't have been such thought provoking information shared. Simple
as that.
Jennifer
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jmcseals SEALS
LOL! I'm pertty happy fat and sassy myself! I just didn't get the feeling
that was said in a kind way in the beginning.
Jennifer, who will gladly take your croissant! YUM! <bg>
***Excuse me - I'm happy, fat and sassy.....really, I'm pretty much okay
with it.
I would like to drop 30 pounds....well, okay, maybe I'm not "fat" - maybe
'just past plump'
or plump
no, I guess I'll go w/ fat.
Although, in my defense, it's so much quicker and easier to 'get' fat when
you're 5'1 & 3/4.
Janis, who is putting the croissant down***
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that was said in a kind way in the beginning.
Jennifer, who will gladly take your croissant! YUM! <bg>
***Excuse me - I'm happy, fat and sassy.....really, I'm pretty much okay
with it.
I would like to drop 30 pounds....well, okay, maybe I'm not "fat" - maybe
'just past plump'
or plump
no, I guess I'll go w/ fat.
Although, in my defense, it's so much quicker and easier to 'get' fat when
you're 5'1 & 3/4.
Janis, who is putting the croissant down***
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on 5/15/03 11:17 PM, Mary at mummy124@... wrote:
I'm not going to defend calling someone a "friggin' idiot". But it's helpful
to see the dynamics that lead up to it.
There are a few people on this list who devote hours a day to helping people
unschool. It's voluntary. No one makes us. We do it because we want to and
love to do it.
Because of those hours many children's lives are more joyful and peaceful.
There are children in this world who are never going to be spanked again,
who will never be shamed for not doing their school work or keeping up with
their peers, who are growing up free from the burden of living their lives
to relieve false parental fears, because of the hours the volunteers put
into this list explaining unschooling and peaceful parenting.
All because of the hours of a few people on this list.
The work we do is akin to volunteering on a rape crisis line or family
counseling center. *Hours* each day. How many other people can say they too
are volunteering hours out of every day doing work that changes hurting
families for the better?
How many people can say they do even an hour a *week*?
No one is asking anyone to appreciate the hours involved but the volunteers
would appreciate not being treated as though what we do is nothing and no
big deal.
So for someone to respond directly to one of those volunteers who probably
spends the most time with:
It's akin to some "friggin' idiot" dismissing you with being "just a
mother". It's akin to a husband saying to a stay at home mom "Yeah, but you
don't do anything all day." She shouldn't call him a "friggin' idiot". It
won't help the situation. It will probably make it worse. But I'd certainly
understand a wife who did.
Joyce
Unschooling-dotcom moderator
> So when a not so popular member gets on someone's nerves, the "good" membersSince the moderator has been mentioned here, I guess I should respond.
> can whine for the moderator to make her stop or suggest to the offender they
> might want to go elsewhere. When a "good" member gets on a not so popular
> members nerves, that person is told to ignore the post and just delete.
>
> And when the unpopular members say something confusing, they are told not to
> post unless their words are perfectly clear.
I'm not going to defend calling someone a "friggin' idiot". But it's helpful
to see the dynamics that lead up to it.
There are a few people on this list who devote hours a day to helping people
unschool. It's voluntary. No one makes us. We do it because we want to and
love to do it.
Because of those hours many children's lives are more joyful and peaceful.
There are children in this world who are never going to be spanked again,
who will never be shamed for not doing their school work or keeping up with
their peers, who are growing up free from the burden of living their lives
to relieve false parental fears, because of the hours the volunteers put
into this list explaining unschooling and peaceful parenting.
All because of the hours of a few people on this list.
The work we do is akin to volunteering on a rape crisis line or family
counseling center. *Hours* each day. How many other people can say they too
are volunteering hours out of every day doing work that changes hurting
families for the better?
How many people can say they do even an hour a *week*?
No one is asking anyone to appreciate the hours involved but the volunteers
would appreciate not being treated as though what we do is nothing and no
big deal.
So for someone to respond directly to one of those volunteers who probably
spends the most time with:
> We can help one child at a time, one person at a time. We can be lovinghow incredibly insulting is that?
> parents and give our children a wonderful upbringing and STILL have time to
> help those who need help along the way.
>
> If only one child is spared the suffering the is oft times described in the
> news media isn't it worth that one child's life to CARE?
>
> We cannot sit in our peaceful little worlds and ignore the pain and suffering
> happening right outside our doorsteps. Nor do we have to turn our backs on
> our children and families to make a difference.
It's akin to some "friggin' idiot" dismissing you with being "just a
mother". It's akin to a husband saying to a stay at home mom "Yeah, but you
don't do anything all day." She shouldn't call him a "friggin' idiot". It
won't help the situation. It will probably make it worse. But I'd certainly
understand a wife who did.
Joyce
Unschooling-dotcom moderator