New, frustrated and freaking....
[email protected]
I all...i am new to the list and SO glad to have found you. I am hoping you
can help me save my sanity, and keep from thinking i have totally ruined my
kids' lives.
First a little about me...My name is Aradiann, but my friends call me Raydie.
I am 37 years old, happily married (17 years this past Feb.), mom to two
boys, ages 16 and 13 1/2 (14 in August). We have been home/unschooling for 3
years now. It has been a FANTASTIC experience. I have learned so much and
my boys have flourished. I live in North Florida, and in Florida the
schoolboard requires an annual evaluation by an active certified teacher.
This hasn't been a problem for the first two years, as i had an acquaintance
who understood what i am doing, who also happened to be a teacher who was fed
up with the school system and thus supported my efforts. At the end of our
'school' year, (as designated by the schoolboard), i would type up a little
'report' describing some of the things we learned during the year, (these
reports also helped me to see just how much we really WERE learning, while
having so much fun...thus kept me from thinking that i was doing the wrong
thing)....the teacher would sign the form and it was submitted to the
schoolboard. Now...here's my dilemma. This year, this acquaintance has had
some family issues and has disappeared. I don't know where she is, when she
will be back, etc. The end of the year reports are due....I found another
teacher, but she tells me that what i have isn't enough. I need papers, (i
do have the boys do a little on paper, just for this purpose)....things need
to be 'perfect'. So i freak and call the school board. I figure i have
totally screwed up, so maybe the boys should go back to school. For high
school, (i mean, who the heck do i think i am keeping my kids out of school
for these important years, and then i am not even teaching them, right?).
They give me the number to the high school so i can call them. First of all,
the red tape is ATROCIOUS!!!!! Then i get a real 'cold' reception and end up
on the line with a real jerk. The youngest will have to take a battery of
tests just to 'provisionally' place him, (if he can't keep up he will be
demoted -- this moron talked to me like this was an inevitability), the
oldest is doomed. He doesn't have any documented 'credits', and without a
COMPLETE portfolio for the last TWO YEARS, he won't get them. Even WITH
these portfolios he will need to take a battery of exams....the MLST'S,
SAT'S, etc., etc. He's freaking. I am freaking. I don't know what to do.
It doesn't seem to matter that my oldest son is doing COLLEGE BIOLOGY, (he
wants to be a zoologist)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I called the teacher who has
all the paperwork and told her to just send my stuff back, i would figure
something out, but she wasn't there and i haven't heard back. All this stuff
needs to be turned in by July 1, and i just dunno what to do.
Whew....i think that's the Reader's Digest version....THANK YOU ALL for any
advice and support...i could really use it right about now....I don't know
anyone else who is unschooling, let alone unschooling TEENAGERS!
Thanks again....
Raydie, freakin' Florida mom
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can help me save my sanity, and keep from thinking i have totally ruined my
kids' lives.
First a little about me...My name is Aradiann, but my friends call me Raydie.
I am 37 years old, happily married (17 years this past Feb.), mom to two
boys, ages 16 and 13 1/2 (14 in August). We have been home/unschooling for 3
years now. It has been a FANTASTIC experience. I have learned so much and
my boys have flourished. I live in North Florida, and in Florida the
schoolboard requires an annual evaluation by an active certified teacher.
This hasn't been a problem for the first two years, as i had an acquaintance
who understood what i am doing, who also happened to be a teacher who was fed
up with the school system and thus supported my efforts. At the end of our
'school' year, (as designated by the schoolboard), i would type up a little
'report' describing some of the things we learned during the year, (these
reports also helped me to see just how much we really WERE learning, while
having so much fun...thus kept me from thinking that i was doing the wrong
thing)....the teacher would sign the form and it was submitted to the
schoolboard. Now...here's my dilemma. This year, this acquaintance has had
some family issues and has disappeared. I don't know where she is, when she
will be back, etc. The end of the year reports are due....I found another
teacher, but she tells me that what i have isn't enough. I need papers, (i
do have the boys do a little on paper, just for this purpose)....things need
to be 'perfect'. So i freak and call the school board. I figure i have
totally screwed up, so maybe the boys should go back to school. For high
school, (i mean, who the heck do i think i am keeping my kids out of school
for these important years, and then i am not even teaching them, right?).
They give me the number to the high school so i can call them. First of all,
the red tape is ATROCIOUS!!!!! Then i get a real 'cold' reception and end up
on the line with a real jerk. The youngest will have to take a battery of
tests just to 'provisionally' place him, (if he can't keep up he will be
demoted -- this moron talked to me like this was an inevitability), the
oldest is doomed. He doesn't have any documented 'credits', and without a
COMPLETE portfolio for the last TWO YEARS, he won't get them. Even WITH
these portfolios he will need to take a battery of exams....the MLST'S,
SAT'S, etc., etc. He's freaking. I am freaking. I don't know what to do.
It doesn't seem to matter that my oldest son is doing COLLEGE BIOLOGY, (he
wants to be a zoologist)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I called the teacher who has
all the paperwork and told her to just send my stuff back, i would figure
something out, but she wasn't there and i haven't heard back. All this stuff
needs to be turned in by July 1, and i just dunno what to do.
Whew....i think that's the Reader's Digest version....THANK YOU ALL for any
advice and support...i could really use it right about now....I don't know
anyone else who is unschooling, let alone unschooling TEENAGERS!
Thanks again....
Raydie, freakin' Florida mom
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Tim and Maureen
This is a real gut wrencher, so I thot I'd reply.
We are blessed to live in British Columbia, Canada where the law states a child MUST be registered. That is ALL the law states. No other requirements. Homeschoolers can enter college with the College president's signature - takes about an hour. Yet if you asked a teacher or principal, or worse a school board administrator, they would tell you a attendance etc. is mandatory/preferred. And they'll tell you that a child will NEVER get into a college without a high school diploma. (They don't know/aren't telling that great colleges are head-hunting for homeschoolers because they can think!)
I suspect that if one teacher can approve you and another won't then the law may weigh in your favour. My suggestion to you is that, if you haven't done so already, you understand the law in Florida, not anyone's interpretation. Use a lawyer even. Or a law student.
Also, if the laws are weak here, perhaps there are no REAL consequences to NOT getting your info package to they on time (if at all, as the law here in BC states) and you can take the time to seek a more sympathetic teacher. You may have to research that a bit using your personal connections and maybe this list.
Hang in there!
PS. Anyone on this list already done this legal work?
Tim Thomas
Prince George, BC Canada
We are blessed to live in British Columbia, Canada where the law states a child MUST be registered. That is ALL the law states. No other requirements. Homeschoolers can enter college with the College president's signature - takes about an hour. Yet if you asked a teacher or principal, or worse a school board administrator, they would tell you a attendance etc. is mandatory/preferred. And they'll tell you that a child will NEVER get into a college without a high school diploma. (They don't know/aren't telling that great colleges are head-hunting for homeschoolers because they can think!)
I suspect that if one teacher can approve you and another won't then the law may weigh in your favour. My suggestion to you is that, if you haven't done so already, you understand the law in Florida, not anyone's interpretation. Use a lawyer even. Or a law student.
Also, if the laws are weak here, perhaps there are no REAL consequences to NOT getting your info package to they on time (if at all, as the law here in BC states) and you can take the time to seek a more sympathetic teacher. You may have to research that a bit using your personal connections and maybe this list.
Hang in there!
PS. Anyone on this list already done this legal work?
Tim Thomas
Prince George, BC Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: Aradiann@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:26 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] New, frustrated and freaking....
I all...i am new to the list and SO glad to have found you. I am hoping you
can help me save my sanity, and keep from thinking i have totally ruined my
kids' lives.
First a little about me...My name is Aradiann, but my friends call me Raydie.
I am 37 years old, happily married (17 years this past Feb.), mom to two
boys, ages 16 and 13 1/2 (14 in August). We have been home/unschooling for 3
years now. It has been a FANTASTIC experience. I have learned so much and
my boys have flourished. I live in North Florida, and in Florida the
schoolboard requires an annual evaluation by an active certified teacher.
This hasn't been a problem for the first two years, as i had an acquaintance
who understood what i am doing, who also happened to be a teacher who was fed
up with the school system and thus supported my efforts. At the end of our
'school' year, (as designated by the schoolboard), i would type up a little
'report' describing some of the things we learned during the year, (these
reports also helped me to see just how much we really WERE learning, while
having so much fun...thus kept me from thinking that i was doing the wrong
thing)....the teacher would sign the form and it was submitted to the
schoolboard. Now...here's my dilemma. This year, this acquaintance has had
some family issues and has disappeared. I don't know where she is, when she
will be back, etc. The end of the year reports are due....I found another
teacher, but she tells me that what i have isn't enough. I need papers, (i
do have the boys do a little on paper, just for this purpose)....things need
to be 'perfect'. So i freak and call the school board. I figure i have
totally screwed up, so maybe the boys should go back to school. For high
school, (i mean, who the heck do i think i am keeping my kids out of school
for these important years, and then i am not even teaching them, right?).
They give me the number to the high school so i can call them. First of all,
the red tape is ATROCIOUS!!!!! Then i get a real 'cold' reception and end up
on the line with a real jerk. The youngest will have to take a battery of
tests just to 'provisionally' place him, (if he can't keep up he will be
demoted -- this moron talked to me like this was an inevitability), the
oldest is doomed. He doesn't have any documented 'credits', and without a
COMPLETE portfolio for the last TWO YEARS, he won't get them. Even WITH
these portfolios he will need to take a battery of exams....the MLST'S,
SAT'S, etc., etc. He's freaking. I am freaking. I don't know what to do.
It doesn't seem to matter that my oldest son is doing COLLEGE BIOLOGY, (he
wants to be a zoologist)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I called the teacher who has
all the paperwork and told her to just send my stuff back, i would figure
something out, but she wasn't there and i haven't heard back. All this stuff
needs to be turned in by July 1, and i just dunno what to do.
Whew....i think that's the Reader's Digest version....THANK YOU ALL for any
advice and support...i could really use it right about now....I don't know
anyone else who is unschooling, let alone unschooling TEENAGERS!
Thanks again....
Raydie, freakin' Florida mom
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Olga
Raydie,
I have not had to register my son yet because he is not the mandatory
age. However, I was told in FLorida (we are in south florida) you
can register under an "unbrella" private school and pretty much do
what you want with no checks. You can also start one your self, I
think you need about 4 kids or so. Go here:
http://www.parentdirectededucation.org/Establishing%20a%20Private%
20School.htm
Many people have them. I know through my support group there are
people who have them, so check with your local group to see if you
could join up with one if you are interested.
Hope this helps a little. SOmeone on this site gave me the info so
maybe she will respond as well with more specific information.
Olga :)
I have not had to register my son yet because he is not the mandatory
age. However, I was told in FLorida (we are in south florida) you
can register under an "unbrella" private school and pretty much do
what you want with no checks. You can also start one your self, I
think you need about 4 kids or so. Go here:
http://www.parentdirectededucation.org/Establishing%20a%20Private%
20School.htm
Many people have them. I know through my support group there are
people who have them, so check with your local group to see if you
could join up with one if you are interested.
Hope this helps a little. SOmeone on this site gave me the info so
maybe she will respond as well with more specific information.
Olga :)
--- In [email protected], Aradiann@a... wrote:
> I all...i am new to the list and SO glad to have found you. I am
hoping you
> can help me save my sanity, and keep from thinking i have totally
ruined my
> kids' lives.
>
> First a little about me...My name is Aradiann, but my friends call
me Raydie.
> I am 37 years old, happily married (17 years this past Feb.), mom
to two
> boys, ages 16 and 13 1/2 (14 in August). We have been
home/unschooling for 3
> years now. It has been a FANTASTIC experience. I have learned so
much and
> my boys have flourished. I live in North Florida, and in Florida
the
> schoolboard requires an annual evaluation by an active certified
teacher.
> This hasn't been a problem for the first two years, as i had an
acquaintance
> who understood what i am doing, who also happened to be a teacher
who was fed
> up with the school system and thus supported my efforts. At the
end of our
> 'school' year, (as designated by the schoolboard), i would type up
a little
> 'report' describing some of the things we learned during the year,
(these
> reports also helped me to see just how much we really WERE
learning, while
> having so much fun...thus kept me from thinking that i was doing
the wrong
> thing)....the teacher would sign the form and it was submitted to
the
> schoolboard. Now...here's my dilemma. This year, this
acquaintance has had
> some family issues and has disappeared. I don't know where she is,
when she
> will be back, etc. The end of the year reports are due....I found
another
> teacher, but she tells me that what i have isn't enough. I need
papers, (i
> do have the boys do a little on paper, just for this
purpose)....things need
> to be 'perfect'. So i freak and call the school board. I figure i
have
> totally screwed up, so maybe the boys should go back to school.
For high
> school, (i mean, who the heck do i think i am keeping my kids out
of school
> for these important years, and then i am not even teaching them,
right?).
> They give me the number to the high school so i can call them.
First of all,
> the red tape is ATROCIOUS!!!!! Then i get a real 'cold' reception
and end up
> on the line with a real jerk. The youngest will have to take a
battery of
> tests just to 'provisionally' place him, (if he can't keep up he
will be
> demoted -- this moron talked to me like this was an inevitability),
the
> oldest is doomed. He doesn't have any documented 'credits', and
without a
> COMPLETE portfolio for the last TWO YEARS, he won't get them. Even
WITH
> these portfolios he will need to take a battery of exams....the
MLST'S,
> SAT'S, etc., etc. He's freaking. I am freaking. I don't know
what to do.
> It doesn't seem to matter that my oldest son is doing COLLEGE
BIOLOGY, (he
> wants to be a zoologist)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I called the teacher
who has
> all the paperwork and told her to just send my stuff back, i would
figure
> something out, but she wasn't there and i haven't heard back. All
this stuff
> needs to be turned in by July 1, and i just dunno what to do.
>
> Whew....i think that's the Reader's Digest version....THANK YOU ALL
for any
> advice and support...i could really use it right about now....I
don't know
> anyone else who is unschooling, let alone unschooling TEENAGERS!
>
> Thanks again....
> Raydie, freakin' Florida mom
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Heidi
>>And they'll tell you that a child will NEVER get into a collegeBlew my friend's mind, when we were arguing about the SAT's. Her son
>>without a high school diploma.
is entering college next year, and she was worried for me/about me,
how will my kids be ready to take the SAT's cuz they'll never get
into college without it. Um...I didn't get a diploma. A GED. I never
took the SAT's or their equivalent, because by my Jr. year, I hated
school BADLY and never bothered with the tests. and I got in to the
University of Utah, on my entrance exam scores. She was
speechless. "Really? They're asking (boy) for his SAT scores on every
piece of paper."
I'm looking forward to watching my kids enter adulthood with dreams
that haven't been put aside, really knowing themselves and able to
push forward with life. SAT's? Heck, get the book on how to study for
it, from the Library, if you feel compelled.
HeidiC
p.s. and there's a high school at home program available. A two year
course, and you come out with a transcript and an official diploma,
if jumping through the hoops is important to a family.
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/12/2003 8:45:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tmthomas@... writes:
tmthomas@... writes:
> This is a real gut wrencher, so I thot I'd reply.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> <gentle snip>
>
> Hang in there!
>
> PS. Anyone on this list already done this legal work?
>
> Tim Thomas
> Prince George, BC Canada
>
> Thanks for the words of advice Tim....I know there's a way around all this
> crapola, it's just frustrating to be given such a hard time for something
> that is so obviously right.
>
> Raydie
zenmomma2kids
>>I live in North Florida, and in Florida the schoolboard requires anannual evaluation by an active certified teacher. >>
Ren, who is on this list, lives in north Florida. I believe she
joined a "private homeschool" to get around the intrusive
evaluations. Hopefully she'll be by soon with better Florida options
for you.
>>I figure i have totally screwed up, so maybe the boys should goback to school. >>
You said your boys were flourishing with unschooling. I wouldn't let
the school driven authorities shake your confidence. As you said,
they don't understand anything about unschooling. Your kids aren't
playing their game. It's natural that they wouldn't have the papers
to prove that they are.
>> It doesn't seem to matter that my oldest son is doing COLLEGEBIOLOGY, (he wants to be a zoologist)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>
Why not have him go directly to Community College and skip the high
school bull? It's very doable and sounds like a good fit for him. Get
some more and better info about the Florida homeschooling laws and
proceed from there. I don't think putting your kids back in school is
really the answer your family is looking for.
>>Thanks again....Raydie, freakin' Florida mom>>
Breathe, Raydie. All is well.
Life is good.
~Mary
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/12/2003 10:29:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
britcontoo@... writes:
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! I am so psyched right now...i have looked at the link
you gave me and am seriously going to consider going this route. It would
solve SO many of my problems, and leave the boys and my life free to learn as
we see fit.
Thanks again...i'll let you know what happens...
Raydie
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
britcontoo@... writes:
>Olga,
> Raydie,
>
> I have not had to register my son yet because he is not the mandatory
> age. However, I was told in FLorida (we are in south florida) you
> can register under an "unbrella" private school and pretty much do
> what you want with no checks. You can also start one your self, I
> think you need about 4 kids or so. Go here:
>
> http://www.parentdirectededucation.org/Establishing%20a%20Private%
> 20School.htm
>
> Many people have them. I know through my support group there are
> people who have them, so check with your local group to see if you
> could join up with one if you are interested.
>
> Hope this helps a little. SOmeone on this site gave me the info so
> maybe she will respond as well with more specific information.
>
> Olga :)
>
>
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! I am so psyched right now...i have looked at the link
you gave me and am seriously going to consider going this route. It would
solve SO many of my problems, and leave the boys and my life free to learn as
we see fit.
Thanks again...i'll let you know what happens...
Raydie
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/12/2003 11:36:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
zenmomma@... writes:>
conversations with the most versed of adults...i just get caught up in the
whole hellabaloo of authority and red tape. It just throws me that my boys
need MORE 'proof' than what they aren't teaching the public kids that are in
school....absolutely ridiculous, in my opinion....>
July 1>.>
good...i just don't have alot of patience, and i tend to freak out...what a
wuss i am! LOL!
Thanks again, and i am looking forward to all the comaraderie here!
Raydie
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
zenmomma@... writes:>
>I look forward to hearing from her, as i could use a comrade about now!
> Ren, who is on this list, lives in north Florida. I believe she
> joined a "private homeschool" to get around the intrusive
> evaluations. Hopefully she'll be by soon with better Florida options
> for you.
>
>You are, of course, right....the boys are both extremely bright, and can hold
> You said your boys were flourishing with unschooling. I wouldn't let
> the school driven authorities shake your confidence. As you said,
> they don't understand anything about unschooling. Your kids aren't
> playing their game. It's natural that they wouldn't have the papers
> to prove that they are.
>
conversations with the most versed of adults...i just get caught up in the
whole hellabaloo of authority and red tape. It just throws me that my boys
need MORE 'proof' than what they aren't teaching the public kids that are in
school....absolutely ridiculous, in my opinion....>
>I am going to look into this, <after i get through all this crap that is due
> Why not have him go directly to Community College and skip the high
> school bull? It's very doable and sounds like a good fit for him. Get
> some more and better info about the Florida homeschooling laws and
> proceed from there. I don't think putting your kids back in school is
> really the answer your family is looking for.
July 1>.>
>Thank you so much for the great support and advice Mary. Yes, Life is
> Breathe, Raydie. All is well.
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>
good...i just don't have alot of patience, and i tend to freak out...what a
wuss i am! LOL!
Thanks again, and i am looking forward to all the comaraderie here!
Raydie
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Tia Leschke
>child MUST be registered. That is ALL the law states. No other
> We are blessed to live in British Columbia, Canada where the law states a
requirements.
Actually, it's good to remember that there's a bit more to it here. You are
required to provide an educational program that *in your opinion* will
produce a well-adjusted member of a multicultural society (or whatever the
words they use in their mission statement are). It definitely allows you to
make all the educational decisions, but you want to be careful not to say
(if questioned) that you don't do anything at all. There was a case not
long after registration was first required when someone told an
investigating supervisor that they didn't do anything, and neither did most
of the people in that area. *That* took some time and trouble by the
Vancouver group to settle. What you do is provide a child-led learning
program, or an interest-based program, or something along those lines. It's
just semantics, but it's important in case someone ever does investigate.
>Homeschoolers can enter college with the College president's signature -takes about an hour.
Do you mean a community college? From what I've heard about Camosun in
Victoria, they have to either have English 12 or pass a test. And they
would have to find a way of documenting any prerequisites for the program
they wanted to enter.
>Yet if you asked a teacher or principal, or worse a school boardadministrator, they would tell you a attendance etc. is mandatory/preferred.
And they'll tell you >that a child will NEVER get into a college without a
high school diploma. (They don't know/aren't telling that great colleges are
head-hunting for homeschoolers >because they can think!)
Have you found that to be the case anywhere in Canada yet? I know it's true
in the States, but Canadian universities are only now beginning to formulate
policies regarding admitting homeschoolers. I've only heard of two kids so
far who went straight from homeschooling to university without a stop first
at a community college.
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
Mary
From: "Olga" <britcontoo@...>
<<Hope this helps a little. SOmeone on this site gave me the info so maybe
she will respond as well with more specific information.>>
Oh!!! Are you talking about me again???? LOL!!
I think the sight you sent will help. If you want more info just e-mail me
privately.
Mary B
<<Hope this helps a little. SOmeone on this site gave me the info so maybe
she will respond as well with more specific information.>>
Oh!!! Are you talking about me again???? LOL!!
I think the sight you sent will help. If you want more info just e-mail me
privately.
Mary B
Tim and Maureen
----- Original Message -----
From: Tia Leschke
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] New, frustrated and freaking....
>
> We are blessed to live in British Columbia, Canada where the law states a
child MUST be registered. That is ALL the law states. No other
requirements.
Actually, it's good to remember that there's a bit more to it here. You are
required to provide an educational program that *in your opinion* will
produce a well-adjusted member of a multicultural society (or whatever the
words they use in their mission statement are). It definitely allows you to
make all the educational decisions, but you want to be careful not to say
(if questioned) that you don't do anything at all. There was a case not
long after registration was first required when someone told an
investigating supervisor that they didn't do anything, and neither did most
of the people in that area. *That* took some time and trouble by the
Vancouver group to settle. What you do is provide a child-led learning
program, or an interest-based program, or something along those lines. It's
just semantics, but it's important in case someone ever does investigate.
>Homeschoolers can enter college with the College president's signature -
takes about an hour.
Do you mean a community college? From what I've heard about Camosun in
Victoria, they have to either have English 12 or pass a test. And they
would have to find a way of documenting any prerequisites for the program
they wanted to enter.
>Yet if you asked a teacher or principal, or worse a school board
administrator, they would tell you a attendance etc. is mandatory/preferred.
And they'll tell you >that a child will NEVER get into a college without a
high school diploma. (They don't know/aren't telling that great colleges are
head-hunting for homeschoolers >because they can think!)
Have you found that to be the case anywhere in Canada yet? I know it's true
in the States, but Canadian universities are only now beginning to formulate
policies regarding admitting homeschoolers. I've only heard of two kids so
far who went straight from homeschooling to university without a stop first
at a community college.
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
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Tim and Maureen
All good advice, esp. if you don't want to go to court to defend your rights. Then again, maybe a high-profile Supreme Court battle might establish a clearer guideline in BC/Canada, for better and yes, maybe for worse.
One thing I HATE about homeschooling & unschooling is dodging the question.
PS. IF an unschooled child wants to go to university in Canada, I can't think of a better way to avoid the academic nonsense of "UNIVERSITY" than taking as many courses as possible at a community college. Cheaper too, at least in my day. But that's a personal choice.
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Tim
One thing I HATE about homeschooling & unschooling is dodging the question.
PS. IF an unschooled child wants to go to university in Canada, I can't think of a better way to avoid the academic nonsense of "UNIVERSITY" than taking as many courses as possible at a community college. Cheaper too, at least in my day. But that's a personal choice.
My thots
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Tia Leschke
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] New, frustrated and freaking....
>
> We are blessed to live in British Columbia, Canada where the law states a
child MUST be registered. That is ALL the law states. No other
requirements.
Actually, it's good to remember that there's a bit more to it here. You are
required to provide an educational program that *in your opinion* will
produce a well-adjusted member of a multicultural society (or whatever the
words they use in their mission statement are). It definitely allows you to
make all the educational decisions, but you want to be careful not to say
(if questioned) that you don't do anything at all. There was a case not
long after registration was first required when someone told an
investigating supervisor that they didn't do anything, and neither did most
of the people in that area. *That* took some time and trouble by the
Vancouver group to settle. What you do is provide a child-led learning
program, or an interest-based program, or something along those lines. It's
just semantics, but it's important in case someone ever does investigate.
>Homeschoolers can enter college with the College president's signature -
takes about an hour.
Do you mean a community college? From what I've heard about Camosun in
Victoria, they have to either have English 12 or pass a test. And they
would have to find a way of documenting any prerequisites for the program
they wanted to enter.
>Yet if you asked a teacher or principal, or worse a school board
administrator, they would tell you a attendance etc. is mandatory/preferred.
And they'll tell you >that a child will NEVER get into a college without a
high school diploma. (They don't know/aren't telling that great colleges are
head-hunting for homeschoolers >because they can think!)
Have you found that to be the case anywhere in Canada yet? I know it's true
in the States, but Canadian universities are only now beginning to formulate
policies regarding admitting homeschoolers. I've only heard of two kids so
far who went straight from homeschooling to university without a stop first
at a community college.
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
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