Heidi

Whoever recommended this book, ((((hug))))) :)

Good stuff. I've discovered that I already have a lot of my ideal
life, all around me, all the time.

Gonna go for it, now, in realizing some dreams

thanks muchly

Love, HeidiC

Kelli Traaseth

I just got my copy, a used one through Amazon, its signed by her! Cool,
huh?

Kelli


----- Original Message -----
From: <KathrynJB@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 4:32 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Wishcraft


> In a message dated 5/10/2003 11:43:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> > Whoever recommended this book, ((((hug))))) :)
> >
> > Good stuff. I've discovered that I already have a lot of my ideal
> > life, all around me, all the time.
> >
> > Gonna go for it, now, in realizing some dreams
> >
> > thanks muchly
> >
> >
>
> Oh, I'm so glad. If you ever get a chance to attend one of Barbara Sher's
> workshops, jump at it! She's way cool!
>
> Do you see what I mean about the connections between Wishcraft and
> unschooling?
> Kathryn
>
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kayb85

I know the book Wishcraft has been discussed here before, and I just
wanted to let everyone know that I found the book online:
http://www.wishcraft.com/
Sheila

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[email protected] writes:

> I know the book Wishcraft has been discussed here before, and I just
> wanted to let everyone know that I found the book online:
> http://www.wishcraft.com/
>

This is the coolest thing.

Now...go directly to this web site and read (at least) chapters 1 and 2.
Check out especially page 22.

These are the things that made me want to unschool. I read these descriptions
long before I had a kid and decided that was the kind of parent I wanted to
be.

Kathryn


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Julie Solich

> I know the book Wishcraft has been discussed here before, and I just
> wanted to let everyone know that I found the book online:
> http://www.wishcraft.com/
>

This is the coolest thing.

Now...go directly to this web site and read (at least) chapters 1 and 2.
Check out especially page 22.

<<These are the things that made me want to unschool. I read these descriptions
long before I had a kid and decided that was the kind of parent I wanted to
be.

Kathryn>>

I am going to buy this book. I read the first couple of chapters just now. I have so much to think about.

I was watching my boys the other day. They were outside sword fighting again (Mark cut a broom handle in half and the halves make great swords). They are outside doing this all the time and I noticed that they practice their moves and discuss which move they are going to make. It's serious play! I thought about the different famous brothers, the Wright's and the Cohen's, the Wachowski's and I realized I was doing the absolute right thing for my boys in letting them be free to dream and play together. Who knows what they are capable of?

I have to plagarize Mary here and say....
Life is good.
Julie

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Robyn Coburn

Also the Cameron borthers who have invented the deep sea exploring
robots that they hope will one day be sent to Jupiter (this month's
Scientific American).

Robyn Coburn



It's serious play! I thought about the different famous brothers, the
Wright's and the Cohen's, the Wachowski's and I realized I was doing the
absolute right thing for my boys in letting them be free to dream and
play together. Who knows what they are capable of?





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nellebelle@... writes:

<< Has anyone read Sher's other books? Any comments on how they compare to
Wishcraft?
http://www.barbarasher.com/books.htm

Mary Ellen >>

Anyone see her on PBS ( I'm in Chicago) last nite?

I listened for a while, I like her ;-) It was her "you can change your life
after 40" spiel.

It's pledge time, so they were offering her books and videos.

I'm still reading WishCraft that I dl'd on Adobe. I can't get past the first
chapter. I cannot for the life of me remember what I was excited by when I
was little. That is so sad to me. ;-(

~Aimee

Kelli Traaseth

**I cannot for the life of me remember what I was excited by when I
was little. That is so sad to me. ;-( **


Aimee,

Don't feel bad, I'm also reading it and I can't remember either, and yes, it makes me sad also.

I'm hoping if I keep reading there will be some other suggestions.

This is probably why I'm a bit over the edge on letting my kids pursue their passions. I'll be darned if they are going to feel this way as an adult!!

I know there are certain things that I love when I do get to do them, so that's a start, I hope anyway.


What a great book though, thanks Kathryn!

Kelli~




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tktraas@... writes:

<< I know there are certain things that I love when I do get to do them, so
that's a start, I hope anyway.


What a great book though, thanks Kathryn!

Kelli~ >>

Yes, thanks to the person who posted that link, I would have never known it
was there!

You said "when you get to do them", and it reminded me of what Sher said last
nite about what she said to a woman who said she liked to draw, but that she
didn't have the time. She said to the woman, here's paper and a pencil, draw
my shoe, you have three minutes! lol I loved that, because, it's a great
version of just do it. Practical, funny, and true.

~Aimee

moonstarshooter

> **I cannot for the life of me remember what I was excited by when I
> was little. That is so sad to me. ;-( **
>
>
> Aimee,
>
> Don't feel bad, I'm also reading it and I can't remember either,
and yes, it makes me sad also.
>
> I'm hoping if I keep reading there will be some other suggestions.
>


I was having a hard time, too. So I ended up remembering all the tv
shows that I wished I was in (not as an actress, but living that
character's life.) It helped me to see a few of my childhood desires.

Maybe that will help. :-)

Tory

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In a message dated 6/4/03 7:30:49 PM, torywalk@... writes:

<< I ended up remembering all the tv

shows that I wished I was in (not as an actress, but living that

character's life.) It helped me to see a few of my childhood desires. >>

One of the best dreams I ever had, and it was long and realistic (meaning
kinda mundane, real-time, not flashy and weird) was that I was the #4 Cartwright
child, a girl my age (12ish I think?) and had a smaller paint pony like Little
Joe MY BROTHER had, and he was helping me with a new bridle or something, in
the corral (exactly what's on the set) out front of the house. Very routine
day, but I WAS THERE and always had been and always was going to be. No other
details. Hoss came by and talked to us, not about anything important just how
it was going and he was going to go in the house.

I have a lot of kid memories.

Sandra

Julie Solich

I'm still reading WishCraft that I dl'd on Adobe. I can't get past the first
chapter. I cannot for the life of me remember what I was excited by when I
was little. That is so sad to me. ;-(

~Aimee

I felt the same way. I've been a little depressed about it. I talked to my mum about it and she told me some stuff I hadn't remembered and she suggested I look at old photos as they often trigger memories. Maybe you could try that.

Julie

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Nicholina ODonnell

>I'm still reading WishCraft that I dl'd on Adobe. I can't get past the first
>chapter. I cannot for the life of me remember what I was excited by when I
>was little. That is so sad to me. ;-(

>~Aimee


I had the problem of not getting past the first chapter, as well, due to issues with what excited me when I little. The only thing I could think of, and my mom confirmed that it was an interest of mine and couldn't think of others, was playing figures - like little people.

The sad thing about this is that Davan loves to do imginative play with figures. I can't handle doing it for more than about a half hour and then I just feel my mind go to mush.

So, what does that leave me to move on with from the whole what I enjoyed when I was little? I can't figure it out.

Nicholina




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Olga

This is such a huge issue for me. I do NOT have a good relationship
with my parents. I look back and see a very lonely childhood. When
I was really young I remember taking 1-2 classes but there was never
any support or interest and then nothing. I remember asking to join
the girl scouts when I was in second grade and my parent said no.
So, personally I feel like there are so many things I was never
allowed to explore. For example, My father had hoped he would get a
singer in the family. Unfortunately, neither me nor my sister showed
promise by preschool age and so my father refused to teach us to sing
or have us learn any musical instruments. He gave us such a Damn
complex that I refuse to sing out loud to this day. LOL...I always
lip sync to songs <g>! Realistically, I don't think we are that
horrible and certainly could have learned to carry a tune if he had
taken the time. My sister was a great artist and my parents never
gave her the support to do something with it. Her life is now a
basic mess with one career problem after another. I was watching
Riverdance last night and felt a little sad that there were all these
amazing things I never got to try, things I may have loved or been
good at.

Not to say I don't have interests now, but I lack that feeling of I
can conquer anything. Although, I am trying to fight that as I
deschool myself. I think that is one reason I unschool, so that my
children get opportunities I never had.

Olga :)

--- In [email protected], "Julie Solich"
<mjsolich@i...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm still reading WishCraft that I dl'd on Adobe. I can't get
past the first
> chapter. I cannot for the life of me remember what I was excited
by when I
> was little. That is so sad to me. ;-(
>
> ~Aimee
>
> I felt the same way. I've been a little depressed about it. I
talked to my mum about it and she told me some stuff I hadn't
remembered and she suggested I look at old photos as they often
trigger memories. Maybe you could try that.
>
> Julie
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torywalk@... writes:

<< I was having a hard time, too. So I ended up remembering all the tv
shows that I wished I was in (not as an actress, but living that
character's life.) It helped me to see a few of my childhood desires.

Maybe that will help. :-)

Tory
>>

LOL.....I loved Charlie's Angels. That doesn't fit well with my "I'm a
strong, feminist, modern woman" self image. Drat, my whole life has been a lie, who
I really am is a half naked, posed, fashion model with a gun.

Seriously, I read a lot, watched a lot of TV, always in a fantasy world of
someone else's creativity, and not once, did I really *put myself* in the main
character's role. More like admired from afar. That in itself points to a
host of psychological problems. *sigh* But I'll keep thinking on that, thanks.

~Aimee

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In a message dated 6/5/03 6:43:30 AM, britcontoo@... writes:

<< I think that is one reason I unschool, so that my

children get opportunities I never had. >>

Hey, that's why most people used to force their children to go to school (and
some still do).

But I know entirely what you mean, and I agree.

I'm sorry your dad was a poot about music, Olga. Do you sing in the shower?
Bathrooms have fun acoustics. Do you have a little electronic keyboard to
goof around with? (Heck, you might have a grand piano.) Just play with it,
and maybe, when/if you get braver, remember that John Holt learned to play cello
when he was QUITE grown. <g> And he wrote about it, in Never Too Late.

Sandra

nellebelle

Read Never Too Late, by John Holt. He talks about being "tone deaf" and
what to do about it.

Mary Ellen

----- Original Message ----- certainly could have learned to carry a tune if
he had
> taken the time.

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In a message dated 6/4/2003 11:24:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> Very routine
> day, but I WAS THERE and always had been and always was going to be. No
> other
> details. Hoss came by and talked to us, not about anything important just
> how
> it was going and he was going to go in the house.
>
> I have a lot of kid memories.
>

Me too, and a lot of good memories too. I had written on another list, my
mom always had stuff like paint, and clay, and tons of paper and crayons in the
house, and big cardboard boxes!! We would play barbies, little people, cars
for HOURS outside...usually spend most of the time making their homes in trees
with pulleys and lifts and treehouses for the figures. I can remember all the
kids in the neighborhood being excited (before the days of VCR's) because it
was the night "the WIzard of Oz" was going to be on TV. For a week after
everytime we'd all get together we'd play wizard of oz. I remember some older
boys having a haunted house every year at halloween time, and putting our hands
in wet spaghetti and being told it was worms, or peeled hardboiled eggs and
being told they were eyeballs...then all us little kids would go home and make
our own haunted houses. So much fun!

Nancy


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In a message dated 6/5/2003 11:50:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> I'm sorry your dad was a poot about music, Olga. Do you sing in the
> shower?
> Bathrooms have fun acoustics. Do you have a little electronic keyboard to
> goof around with? (Heck, you might have a grand piano.) Just play with
> it,
> and maybe, when/if you get braver, remember that John Holt learned to play
> cello
> when he was QUITE grown. <g> And he wrote about it, in Never Too Late.

I want to second that Olga. I'm 39 years old, and although I did get piano
lessons as a child (and hated it), I had always wanted to play violin. I stuck
with the piano but quit about a year later.

Well, about 3 years ago I started taking "fiddle" from a lady that teaches
traditional appalachian folk music. I had a terrible time as a kid reading
music, still do, but she does all her teaching as it used to be done, by ear,
passing songs from one person to another. I can play pretty darn good now! Go
for it! It's so much fun to learn an instrument as an adult when your heart is
all in it, than as a kid who is kinda being MADE to keep going, with a teacher
you can't stand, or who doesn't teach in a way that works well for you.

Nancy



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In a message dated 6/5/03 9:24:37 AM, nellebelle@... writes:

<< Read Never Too Late, by John Holt. He talks about being "tone deaf" and

what to do about it. >>

I don't think John Holt ever read about Gardner's theories of intellience. <g>

Some people truly don't have that ability to match tones. Some can't catch
balls very well. Some can't see patterns as well and so what's easy math for
others won't be accessible to them.

But then there are many many MORE people who are just discouraged or afraid
to try.

Sandra

nellebelle

>>>>>> I don't think John Holt ever read about Gardner's theories of
intellience. <g>
>
> Some people truly don't have that ability to match tones. Some can't
catch
> balls very well. Some can't see patterns as well and so what's easy math
for
> others won't be accessible to them.
>
> But then there are many many MORE people who are just discouraged or
afraid
> to try.>>>>>>>>

Holt was talking about the latter group.
Mary Ellen

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In a message dated 6/5/2003 12:48:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

> LOL.....I loved Charlie's Angels. That doesn't fit well with my "I'm a
> strong, feminist, modern woman" self image. Drat, my whole life has been a
> lie, who
> I really am is a half naked, posed, fashion model with a gun.
>
>

Well, they WERE often half naked, posed, and occasionally had guns...but they
were also strong, smart, probably feminist, and modern for the time.

God, have I lightened up since college.

Kathryn


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mjsolich@... writes:

<< I talked to my mum about it and she told me some stuff I hadn't remembered
and she suggested I look at old photos as they often trigger memories. Maybe
you could try that.

Julie >>

That's a good idea, and I lived with my grandparents at that age, too, so I
could ask them, as well.

~Aimee

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KathrynJB@... writes:

<< God, have I lightened up since college.

Kathryn
>>

LMAO...I know what you mean.

For the times, I guess it wasn't THAT bad. It did seem a parody of women at
times. I dunno. I won't overanalyze it. ( That's a first!)

~Aimee

Kelly Lenhart

>For the times, I guess it wasn't THAT bad. It did seem a parody of women
at
>times. I dunno. I won't overanalyze it. ( That's a first!)
>~Aimee

I was a preteen when Charlie's ANgels and the Bionic Woman and Wonder Woman
were all on. They were my heroes. Jaime Sommers in particular. I'm still
a huge fan of Lindsey Wagner and Jackie Smith.

They were the first women who kicked any kind of butt. Sure they were no
Buffy, it's taken another 25 years to get there, but still, they were
awesome.

And Buffy still ain't perfect. 'Cause she's too damn perfect, if you know
what I mean.

Kelly
(Bionic wannabe)

Barb Eaton

Tory,
Good one! I Dream of Jeanie and Bewitched for me. Jeanie and Samantha of
course. I used to stand and peak around the corner of a wall to watch I Love
Lucy after my bedtime. :-/ Thanks for the memories, Bing Crosby, Bob Hope,
and Jerry Lewis. Flippo at 4pm after school, The Wonderful World of Disney
on sunday nights and of course Gilligans Island. Guess I wanted to grant
wished and make people happy way back when. Oh and laugh and laugh. ;-)


Barb E
"No one can make you change.
No one can stop you from changing.
No one really knows how you must change.
Not even you.
Not until you start. "

- Dr. David Viscott, Author and Psychologist



>
>
> I was having a hard time, too. So I ended up remembering all the tv
> shows that I wished I was in (not as an actress, but living that
> character's life.) It helped me to see a few of my childhood desires.
>
> Maybe that will help. :-)
>
> Tory

moonstarshooter

> Tory,
> Good one! I Dream of Jeanie and Bewitched for me. Jeanie and
Samantha of
> course.

I cannot believe you said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those were my two,
also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How freaky is that!!!! (Except mine was
Tabitha--I was pretty young then. But yeah, Jeanie.) Wow. Wild.


Tory ~ feeling some strange cosmic connection :)

unolist

--- In [email protected], "Kelly Lenhart" <
>
> I was a preteen when Charlie's ANgels and the Bionic Woman and
Wonder Woman
> were all on. They were my heroes. Jaime Sommers in particular.
I'm still
> a huge fan of Lindsey Wagner and Jackie Smith.
>
> They were the first women who kicked any kind of butt.
>
> Kelly
> (Bionic wannabe)


I used to think Angie Dickinson was awesome, slinging her gun around.
I don't even remember what I saw her on, but it was the only adult I
had ever heard of with my name LOL

Ang

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In a message dated 6/5/2003 9:32:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

> They were the first women who kicked any kind of butt. Sure they were no
> Buffy, it's taken another 25 years to get there, but still, they were
> awesome.
>
> And Buffy still ain't perfect. 'Cause she's too damn perfect, if you know
> what I mean.
>
>

Yes, but at least the finale allows her not to be cursed with being separate
forever. Although the whole "cookie" analogy was troubling.

Kathryn, who was VERY impressed with how Joss ended it


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