Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] NOT math phobia, again
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In a message dated 4/29/2003 12:02:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
at some point, email me. I said "hey you're gonna need algebra one day,
wanna look at this game with me"?. Ok, here's some information on it if you
want to look at it. Then I came to the "experts" and asked if there was
something more math friendly out there, there is, I found it, we enjoyed
something's together, learning and moving forward...
PUSHY PUSHY me, I'm past it. I'm learning. I SEE that I should not have
EVER said a word about it, I did, it was WRONG, beat me, banish me just
whatever you have to do to end this discussion that I spent a day of my
daughters life discussing something she didn't want to hear.
I GET THAT part of it, I REALLY do. I've said that a bunch of times. No
talking about anything unless THEY ASK. Got it. Don't do it, won't do it,
EVER again.
Now, do you really think that unless they ASK you to do anything you're
pushing something on them? Even the daily things that are expected like
meals and such? That's a much bigger hurdle for me than the math to figure
out.
glena
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> But Glena, you offered something that when she REJECTED you felt the need toOk, hey everyone here that hasn't said a single stupid thing to their child
>
> give her the "you're going to HAVE to have this some day" lecture.
> That is what you told us.
> That is not the best way to foster a love of anything.
>
at some point, email me. I said "hey you're gonna need algebra one day,
wanna look at this game with me"?. Ok, here's some information on it if you
want to look at it. Then I came to the "experts" and asked if there was
something more math friendly out there, there is, I found it, we enjoyed
something's together, learning and moving forward...
PUSHY PUSHY me, I'm past it. I'm learning. I SEE that I should not have
EVER said a word about it, I did, it was WRONG, beat me, banish me just
whatever you have to do to end this discussion that I spent a day of my
daughters life discussing something she didn't want to hear.
I GET THAT part of it, I REALLY do. I've said that a bunch of times. No
talking about anything unless THEY ASK. Got it. Don't do it, won't do it,
EVER again.
Now, do you really think that unless they ASK you to do anything you're
pushing something on them? Even the daily things that are expected like
meals and such? That's a much bigger hurdle for me than the math to figure
out.
glena
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Have a Nice Day!
Now, do you really think that unless they ASK you to do anything you're
pushing something on them? Even the daily things that are expected like
meals and such? That's a much bigger hurdle for me than the math to figure
out.<<<
The correct analogy would be that your child wasn't hungry but you decided that she *has* to be hungry since she hasn't eaten all day. Even so, you let her decide when she wants to eat. (After all, at some point, she will HAVE to eat SOMETHIN!),
And since you love her SO much, you decide you'll make her favorite meal for her, complete with all the trappings.
So you cooked her favorite meal and spent all day preparing it so she would LOVE it when she decided she was finally hungry.
Don't you see how in doing so, you would have missed that all she really wanted was ice cream?
And don't you see that cooking her favorite meal was something you did so that you could achieve your own goal of being 'the good mother'?
Kristen
pushing something on them? Even the daily things that are expected like
meals and such? That's a much bigger hurdle for me than the math to figure
out.<<<
The correct analogy would be that your child wasn't hungry but you decided that she *has* to be hungry since she hasn't eaten all day. Even so, you let her decide when she wants to eat. (After all, at some point, she will HAVE to eat SOMETHIN!),
And since you love her SO much, you decide you'll make her favorite meal for her, complete with all the trappings.
So you cooked her favorite meal and spent all day preparing it so she would LOVE it when she decided she was finally hungry.
Don't you see how in doing so, you would have missed that all she really wanted was ice cream?
And don't you see that cooking her favorite meal was something you did so that you could achieve your own goal of being 'the good mother'?
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: rubyprincesstsg@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] NOT math phobia, again
In a message dated 4/29/2003 12:02:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
> But Glena, you offered something that when she REJECTED you felt the need to
>
> give her the "you're going to HAVE to have this some day" lecture.
> That is what you told us.
> That is not the best way to foster a love of anything.
>
Ok, hey everyone here that hasn't said a single stupid thing to their child
at some point, email me. I said "hey you're gonna need algebra one day,
wanna look at this game with me"?. Ok, here's some information on it if you
want to look at it. Then I came to the "experts" and asked if there was
something more math friendly out there, there is, I found it, we enjoyed
something's together, learning and moving forward...
PUSHY PUSHY me, I'm past it. I'm learning. I SEE that I should not have
EVER said a word about it, I did, it was WRONG, beat me, banish me just
whatever you have to do to end this discussion that I spent a day of my
daughters life discussing something she didn't want to hear.
I GET THAT part of it, I REALLY do. I've said that a bunch of times. No
talking about anything unless THEY ASK. Got it. Don't do it, won't do it,
EVER again.
Now, do you really think that unless they ASK you to do anything you're
pushing something on them? Even the daily things that are expected like
meals and such? That's a much bigger hurdle for me than the math to figure
out.
glena
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Deborah Lewis
Your daughter loves logic games and you see a new one at the store and
buy it and leave it on the table for her to take up or not,
is different from,
You thinking it would be good for your daughter to write more and buying
her a journal and leaving it on the table for her to take up or not.
The difference is YOUR expectation.
Your daughter loves to read Dean Koontz so you take her to the book store
to look for the latest one in paperback,
is different from
You thinking you're daughter should be reading more Shakespeare so you
buy the complete works and give it to her as a present.
It's not that hard a concept to understand. What does she love and how
can you help her do it? Not what do you wish she would do, NOT what you
think she might need to do.
I get the feeling you are looking for a step by step curriculum for
yourself.
You have to move on, deschool, embrace unschooling and be calm.
Deb L
buy it and leave it on the table for her to take up or not,
is different from,
You thinking it would be good for your daughter to write more and buying
her a journal and leaving it on the table for her to take up or not.
The difference is YOUR expectation.
Your daughter loves to read Dean Koontz so you take her to the book store
to look for the latest one in paperback,
is different from
You thinking you're daughter should be reading more Shakespeare so you
buy the complete works and give it to her as a present.
It's not that hard a concept to understand. What does she love and how
can you help her do it? Not what do you wish she would do, NOT what you
think she might need to do.
I get the feeling you are looking for a step by step curriculum for
yourself.
You have to move on, deschool, embrace unschooling and be calm.
Deb L
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In a message dated 4/28/03 10:16:15 PM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< I GET THAT part of it, I REALLY do. I've said that a bunch of times. No
talking about anything unless THEY ASK. Got it. Don't do it, won't do it,
EVER again. >>
Saying something a bunch of times isn't the same as understanding it.
<< No talking about anything unless THEY ASK. Got it.>>
No, that's not what people have said.
Posting falsely on the list is a disservice to people who come here to read.
If you don't understand, sit and hush instead of getting up in the midst of
everybody and making half the noise. Seriously, I know some of the newer
people here must thing this poor poster is being bullied, but it's more a
case of list disruption and littering.
Asking questions isn't a bad thing, but veiling insults as questions doesn't
make them good and honest questions. If I say "OH FINE, since you people
all obviously believe and keep on saying three times three is twelve, no
WONDER I can't get math. Thank you to the people who wrote to say maybe
three times three isn't twelve, but obviously it must be. I get it. I get
it..." then someone is going to say "We said twelve can be grouped lots of
ways. There are lots of way to get twelve. Just because there are several
doesn't mean three times three is one of them; it's not. And nobody here
said three times three was twelve."
"OBviously I don't understand math, but if I don't ask and talk through what
I believe about twelve, then how will I learn? And aren't we all just trying
to get to twelve? And if I say I believe three times three is twelve, how
can others say that's wrong?"
Sandra
<< I GET THAT part of it, I REALLY do. I've said that a bunch of times. No
talking about anything unless THEY ASK. Got it. Don't do it, won't do it,
EVER again. >>
Saying something a bunch of times isn't the same as understanding it.
<< No talking about anything unless THEY ASK. Got it.>>
No, that's not what people have said.
Posting falsely on the list is a disservice to people who come here to read.
If you don't understand, sit and hush instead of getting up in the midst of
everybody and making half the noise. Seriously, I know some of the newer
people here must thing this poor poster is being bullied, but it's more a
case of list disruption and littering.
Asking questions isn't a bad thing, but veiling insults as questions doesn't
make them good and honest questions. If I say "OH FINE, since you people
all obviously believe and keep on saying three times three is twelve, no
WONDER I can't get math. Thank you to the people who wrote to say maybe
three times three isn't twelve, but obviously it must be. I get it. I get
it..." then someone is going to say "We said twelve can be grouped lots of
ways. There are lots of way to get twelve. Just because there are several
doesn't mean three times three is one of them; it's not. And nobody here
said three times three was twelve."
"OBviously I don't understand math, but if I don't ask and talk through what
I believe about twelve, then how will I learn? And aren't we all just trying
to get to twelve? And if I say I believe three times three is twelve, how
can others say that's wrong?"
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/29/2003 12:48:45 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Elizabeth
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Posting falsely on the list is a disservice to people who come here to read.Thank you, Sandra. My delete key is wearing out.
>
Elizabeth
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In a message dated 4/29/2003 9:53:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ejcrewe@... writes:
glena
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ejcrewe@... writes:
> Posting falsely on the list is a disservice to people who come here to readI don't understand what you mean about posting falsely.
glena
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Tia Leschke
> And don't you see that cooking her favorite meal was something you did sothat you could achieve your own goal of being 'the good mother'?
I get the feeling that this is *the* major issue here. It's awfully easy
these days for stay at home mothers to feel that they have to justify it by
being the perfect parent. That's what I'm seeing here. The only problem is
that it's an impossible goal. We do the best we can. Best not to fret too
much about it.
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
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