Heather Woodward

For my son, if he has dairy at all in any form, he gets extremely
sensory-seeking. He will literally run around the house crashing
into walls, people, furniture. It's like his body feels
disorganized, and the only way he can make it feel better is to have
serious sensory input.

Did you find this out by experimenting with his diet? My son is extremely high energy - and I have often thought it to do with sugar... I never thought about dairy - any info you have that you would like to pass along would be appreciated ;-)

He also tends to be loud and plays rough. He is very active and doesn't sit still much (He's 5) which is ok - but at times it is hard doing things like going to the store - or church - or somewhere else where he needs to be quiet.

How do you know if this is just your child's "personality"? I have often thought if he was in school they would be saying "Ritalin!!!" for which I am thankful to have him home and able to go out and burn off his energy.


Heather
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From: the_clevengers
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:05 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: boys and playing/fighting


--- In [email protected], Rebecca DeLong
<elfmama@s...> wrote:
> I haven't tried walking away, I've tried explaining that I don't
like being knocked down and I've asked him to try and remember that.
I'll try walking away, thanks.

> This is something we've been worried about, the fact that it's
extending to others, and not everybody likes to play as rough as him
and they will not want to play with him. We've tried talking to him
about it, and he says he understands, but in the moment he just gets
to rough.>>>

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but some kids are extremely
sensory-seeking. This can be related to all kinds of things - diet,
basic brain wiring, environmental influences, etc. There are all
kinds of things you can do to help him get his needs for sensory
input met. Do a Google serach on "sensory integration" and you'll
find a lot of information. I also like the book "The Out-Of-Sync
Child" (don't let the title throw you off), which completely
explains sensory integration.

For my son, if he has dairy at all in any form, he gets extremely
sensory-seeking. He will literally run around the house crashing
into walls, people, furniture. It's like his body feels
disorganized, and the only way he can make it feel better is to have
serious sensory input. Obviously, he doesn't eat dairy anymore
unless he accidentally gets it. But he can become sensory-seeking in
a milder incarnation if he gets stressed or overtired or hungry or
is in a situation in which he feels nervous. Often he will come up
and bump or crash into me. Now that I've recognized this for what it
is, I can offer him a deep squeezing hug as much as he needs, and
this really seems to help. I'll just ask "Do you need a squeezy
hug?" and usually he'll say yes. I think it was really important for
me to move beyond *reacting* to what he's doing and to be proactive
about helping him with what his body is needing at the time. Sensory-
seeking kids can have a very hard time being around smaller or more
fragile kids, because they sometimes are not able to effectively
limit how much contact their body gives out. Not sure if this is the
case with your kid, but thought I'd throw this out in case it helps.

Blue Skies,
-Robin-




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Rebecca DeLong

Heather Woodward <bacwoodz@...> wrote:

<<<He also tends to be loud and plays rough. He is very active and doesn't sit still much (He's 5) which is ok - but at times it is hard doing things like going to the store - or church - or somewhere else where he needs to be quiet.>>>

Sounds just like Jaiden. :)

<<<How do you know if this is just your child's "personality"? I have often thought if he was in school they would be saying "Ritalin!!!" for which I am thankful to have him home and able to go out and burn off his energy.>>>

We have had teachers tell us that we should get Jaiden in school ASAP so that we can get him on ritalin, with out any problems. :-P---

Rebecca


Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: the_clevengers
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:05 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: boys and playing/fighting


--- In [email protected], Rebecca DeLong
<elfmama@s...> wrote:
> I haven't tried walking away, I've tried explaining that I don't
like being knocked down and I've asked him to try and remember that.
I'll try walking away, thanks.

> This is something we've been worried about, the fact that it's
extending to others, and not everybody likes to play as rough as him
and they will not want to play with him. We've tried talking to him
about it, and he says he understands, but in the moment he just gets
to rough.>>>

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but some kids are extremely
sensory-seeking. This can be related to all kinds of things - diet,
basic brain wiring, environmental influences, etc. There are all
kinds of things you can do to help him get his needs for sensory
input met. Do a Google serach on "sensory integration" and you'll
find a lot of information. I also like the book "The Out-Of-Sync
Child" (don't let the title throw you off), which completely
explains sensory integration.

For my son, if he has dairy at all in any form, he gets extremely
sensory-seeking. He will literally run around the house crashing
into walls, people, furniture. It's like his body feels
disorganized, and the only way he can make it feel better is to have
serious sensory input. Obviously, he doesn't eat dairy anymore
unless he accidentally gets it. But he can become sensory-seeking in
a milder incarnation if he gets stressed or overtired or hungry or
is in a situation in which he feels nervous. Often he will come up
and bump or crash into me. Now that I've recognized this for what it
is, I can offer him a deep squeezing hug as much as he needs, and
this really seems to help. I'll just ask "Do you need a squeezy
hug?" and usually he'll say yes. I think it was really important for
me to move beyond *reacting* to what he's doing and to be proactive
about helping him with what his body is needing at the time. Sensory-
seeking kids can have a very hard time being around smaller or more
fragile kids, because they sometimes are not able to effectively
limit how much contact their body gives out. Not sure if this is the
case with your kid, but thought I'd throw this out in case it helps.

Blue Skies,
-Robin-




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In a message dated 4/15/03 12:00:58 PM, elfmama@... writes:

<< We have had teachers tell us that we should get Jaiden in school ASAP so
that we can get him on ritalin, with out any problems. :-P--- >>

OHO!!!!!!

Another disadvantage of homeschooling.
Where can we post this "disadvantages of homeschooling" list?


DISADVANTAGES OF HOMESCHOOLING:

1. Might have a problem getting your kids on Ritalin.


Sandra

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In a message dated 4/15/2003 6:13:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> <<We have had teachers tell us that we should get Jaiden in school ASAP so
> that we can get him on ritalin, with out any problems. :-P--- >>

If this isn't the craziest thing I have heard. Sorry but I just came across
so missed the origional post.
I have to ask this? in your district does your school provide ritilan?
LOL!!!

Linda


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the_clevengers

--- In [email protected], "Heather Woodward"
<bacwoodz@e...> wrote:
> Did you find this out by experimenting with his diet? My son is
extremely high energy - and I have often thought it to do with
sugar... I never thought about dairy - any info you have that you
would like to pass along would be appreciated ;-)

Well, there was a big study at the Mayo clinic linking dairy proteins
to autism. Something about the fact that in some children, their gut
does not prevent the dairy protein from passing through, and it ends
up lodging in their brain and blocking certain messages. Obviously,
I'm paraphrasing very roughly, but you can probably find the study
online somewhere. I know that for some kids with SID (sensory
integration dysfunction), removing dairy and/or gluten helps
dramatically, so we gave it a try. It takes about 4 - 6 weeks though
to really tell if it will work.

My son also had multiple other food allergies and ended up with hives
and all kinds of problems from that. So it took awhile to get that
all sorted out, get the allergies addressed via NAET (natural method
of eliminating allergies) and then figure out that dairy was the one
thing that just didn't work for his body (he had other problems from
dairy as well, like intestinal problems).

> How do you know if this is just your child's "personality"? I have
often thought if he was in school they would be saying "Ritalin!!!"
for which I am thankful to have him home and able to go out and burn
off his energy.>>>

Well, I'm obviously very glad not to be the kind of person to
automatically turn to a school system or drugs to solve something
like this. I can easily see how if my kid continued to eat dairy and
entered the school system, he'd be drugged by the system one way or
the other. Honestly, if he gets dairy, his entire personality is *so*
dramatically changed, it's obvious. It's like he's himself, but
trapped in this psychotic, crashing around body. He gets highly
emotional, screaming and weeping and he is so scared and feels out of
control. I'm so glad we figured it out and it turned out to be
something very simple to deal with. Of course, it wasn't obvious
before we took dairy out of his diet, I just thought that's the way
he was. Spirited, extremely "high needs" kid, the baby that never
slept and cried all the time if he wasn't being bounced around in a
sling, and all that. Now I know that's not true. He's still very high
energy, but that's much different than being totally discombobulated.

Hope that helps.

Blue Skies,

-Robin-

coyote's corner

Have you heard of the notmilk man?

I think it's www.notmilk.com

Lot's of info regarding dary products and what they do to us.

I think he's on the radical side- but his info is astouding!

Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: the_clevengers
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: boys and playing/fighting & Dairy


--- In [email protected], "Heather Woodward"
<bacwoodz@e...> wrote:
> Did you find this out by experimenting with his diet? My son is
extremely high energy - and I have often thought it to do with
sugar... I never thought about dairy - any info you have that you
would like to pass along would be appreciated ;-)

Well, there was a big study at the Mayo clinic linking dairy proteins
to autism. Something about the fact that in some children, their gut
does not prevent the dairy protein from passing through, and it ends
up lodging in their brain and blocking certain messages. Obviously,
I'm paraphrasing very roughly, but you can probably find the study
online somewhere. I know that for some kids with SID (sensory
integration dysfunction), removing dairy and/or gluten helps
dramatically, so we gave it a try. It takes about 4 - 6 weeks though
to really tell if it will work.

My son also had multiple other food allergies and ended up with hives
and all kinds of problems from that. So it took awhile to get that
all sorted out, get the allergies addressed via NAET (natural method
of eliminating allergies) and then figure out that dairy was the one
thing that just didn't work for his body (he had other problems from
dairy as well, like intestinal problems).

> How do you know if this is just your child's "personality"? I have
often thought if he was in school they would be saying "Ritalin!!!"
for which I am thankful to have him home and able to go out and burn
off his energy.>>>

Well, I'm obviously very glad not to be the kind of person to
automatically turn to a school system or drugs to solve something
like this. I can easily see how if my kid continued to eat dairy and
entered the school system, he'd be drugged by the system one way or
the other. Honestly, if he gets dairy, his entire personality is *so*
dramatically changed, it's obvious. It's like he's himself, but
trapped in this psychotic, crashing around body. He gets highly
emotional, screaming and weeping and he is so scared and feels out of
control. I'm so glad we figured it out and it turned out to be
something very simple to deal with. Of course, it wasn't obvious
before we took dairy out of his diet, I just thought that's the way
he was. Spirited, extremely "high needs" kid, the baby that never
slept and cried all the time if he wasn't being bounced around in a
sling, and all that. Now I know that's not true. He's still very high
energy, but that's much different than being totally discombobulated.

Hope that helps.

Blue Skies,

-Robin-




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Rebecca DeLong

encadia@... wrote:


<<<If this isn't the craziest thing I have heard. Sorry but I just came across
so missed the origional post.
I have to ask this? in your district does your school provide ritilan?
LOL!!!>>>



The teachers have this 5 min. questionare that they answer about the childs behavior, that gets refered to the school counsler, that get refered to a psycitrist (they have a list of the ones that will do this) that then gives a recomendation to the parents and the school that the child be reviewed. It usally results in the child being put on ritalin or something eles. Most parents don't fight it, it happens so fast and no wants to be told that somrthing is wrong with their child. If a parent fights the recomendation, social services is notified and sometimes they step in and insist. If they don't insist and/or the parents are still fighting the teacher will request that the student be removed from her/his class for disruption and harmful behavior, the child is then placed in special education classes.

It's discusting, but it happens.

Rebecca



Linda


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