Paula Sjogerman

on 4/12/03 8:38 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:

> Does anyone have the Harry Potter Sorcerer's Stone video game? What
> is your child's opinion of it?

My kids really like the first one, not so much the second one.

Paula

Debbie Eaton

Hi all

All true spiritual truths speak about the importance of living in the
moment. With reference to the quote from Thich Nhat Hanh, the phrase
"walking on water" was used as a metaphor in spiritual circles for those who
were at a higher level of spirituality than others and their effect on
others was to calm the waters. Water is also a metaphor for the spirit.
Just some thoughts.

Debbie
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> 1. Re: I am unsubscribing II
> From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
> 2. Re: Christians again
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> 3. Re: Re: Christians again
> From: Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
> 4. Re: busy and contentious list
> From: "phdyer2001" <PHDRWD@...>
> 5. Re: Christians again
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 6. Re: Re:No Explanation Needed / Christians Again
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> 7. Re: balance/sex on tv (was Digest Number 3258)
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> 8. Oh my
> From: "myfunny4" <Debbies4@...>
> 9. Re: [Unschooling-dotcom) homeschooling stats
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> 10. Re: Harry Potter
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> 11. Re: NO!
> From: Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
> 12. Re: the evil Shel Silverstein
> From: Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
> 13. Re: Re: Christians Again
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> 14. Re: Re: Christians Again
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> 15. Re: the evil Shel Silverstein
> From: marji <marji@...>
> 16. RE: What do your kids call you?
> From: JennWeed1@...
> 17. Re: Re: Christians Again
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> 18. spanking was re: Christians again
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> 19. Re: the christian thread
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> 20. Re: What do your kids call you?
> From: "MARK and JULIE SOLICH" <mjsolich@...>
> 21. Re: Re: Christians Again
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> 22. unschooling park days was re:mother problems :-(
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> 23. Re: Oh my
> From: "MARK and JULIE SOLICH" <mjsolich@...>
> 24. Re: Christians again
> From: "Mary" <mummy124@...>
> 25. Re: Christians again
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:13:33 -0400
> From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
> Subject: Re: I am unsubscribing II
>
> Sorry if this list isn't your cup of tea. This last few days it hasn't
been
> most people's cup of tea I'll warrant.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:00:53 -0600
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> Subject: Re: Christians again
>
> >>If I were homeschooling because of being fundamentalist Christians those
> >>shows would both be really offensive to me, I'm sure. And I would shame
> >>Holly for even WANTING to watch them.
> > >
> > > But I'm not a fundamentalist Christian, and I don't want to shame
> >Holly.>>
> > >
> >
> >>This makes me want to unsub this list. Frequently there is a comment
> >>bashing Christians, it seems.>>
>
> And here I was noticing how precise Sandra was with her comment of "If I
> were homeschooling because of being fundamentalist Christians." <g>
>
> These aren't comments about all of Christianity. We have some really
> beautiful, wonderful souls on this list who identify themselves as
> Christian. These are comments on the nature of the "Fundamentalist
Christian
> Homeschhooling Community." It's a small, but very vocal subset of the
> general homeschooling community. This particular community of fundi
> homeschoolers does indeed have some very strict rules about morality,
> obedience, subservience and discipline. That was the reference.
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>
> "The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the green
> earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly alive."
>
> ~ Thich Nhat Hanh
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> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:12:39 -0700
> From: Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Christians again
>
>
> On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 09:20 PM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> >
> > And I would talk about next time. Not "there will never be a next
> > time," but
> > "next time you're angry, what might help?" "Next time you feel
> > frustrated,
> > what could you do that would still be safe and might make things better
> > without hurting anyone?
>
> And then I'd make really sure that he was happily engaged - that I was
> really "present" enough in his life, available to him a lot, asking for
> his presence and clearly enjoying him. I'd find as many activities as
> remotely possible that the two kids could enjoy together - eating a
> piece of cake, playing a game, watching a movie, bowling, making a
> fruit salad, washing the dog, or whatever....and I'd do them with them
> and make a special effort to really enjoy their presence EVEN if they
> are cranky with each other. I'd bite my tongue and keep just playing
> and having fun myself. If you can enlist the 9 yo to feel proud of him
> and his accomplishments, that'll really help. Make that a special thing
> you and she share - exchange knowing glances when he does something you
> are proud of.
>
> -pam
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:15:43 -0000
> From: "phdyer2001" <PHDRWD@...>
> Subject: Re: busy and contentious list
>
> > You might like to try http://www.unschooling.com and click on
> the message boards. It's easier to "pick and choose" what you'd like
> to read there.
> > ~Kelly
> >
>
> thanks for the tip, Kelly. :-)
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:17:22 EDT
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Christians again
>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/03 6:01:51 PM, zenmomma@... writes:
>
> << It's a small, but very vocal subset of the
> general homeschooling community. >>
>
> I don't think it's small. I think it's over half the people
homeschooling.
>
> Sandra
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:19:55 EDT
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> Subject: Re: Re:No Explanation Needed / Christians Again
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2003 4:23:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> HOMESCHOOL4GOOD@... writes:
>
> > Did you do this before joining this
> > group? Did you go and read all the archives? Did you visit Sandra's
site?
> > Do
> > you use google? Sure we may come here thinking we know it all and may be
a
> > bit defensive but the way you have handled all of this gives me a
headache.
> >
> > For someone that has claimed to have gone through so much, why can't you
> > just
> > ask questions? I
>
> Yes, yes, yes, and yes. I came here knowing I knew next to nothing about
> unschooling in the context most of the ladies do and I've repeatedly said
so,
> and said I'm grateful for their experience, their thoughts and willingness
to
> share. I do ask questions LOTS of questions.
>
> And like it has been said before I'm glad YOU got it, no explanation
needed,
> but there are over a thousand people here. It's not wrong to say you
don't
> believe in whipping babies or buying a rod to beat your child and that you
> don't want associated with them. It's just NOT.
>
> glena
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:23:10 -0600
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> Subject: Re: balance/sex on tv (was Digest Number 3258)
>
>
> >>Especially after a day at the beach! Believe me, condoms and sand are
NOT
> >>a working combination. ;-)>>
>
> OUCH!!
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>
> "The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the green
> earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly alive."
>
> ~ Thich Nhat Hanh
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:23:33 -0000
> From: "myfunny4" <Debbies4@...>
> Subject: Oh my
>
> I had to leave the list temporarily. Kevin went into the hospital on
> March 7, and we didn't come home until April 1. I just skimmed over
> the past two days of messages. Ouch. Some of it made me
> laugh...kind of like when a Christian friend confided in me that she
> felt comfortable with me even though I was Catholic.
>
> The kids were so great while Kevin and I were in the hospital that I
> picked up the new Harry Potter: Chamber of Secrets DVD for them today
> at Wal-mart. Only $14.77...I remember when you couldn't buy a DVD
> for less than $25.00.
>
> Does anyone have the Harry Potter Sorcerer's Stone video game? What
> is your child's opinion of it?
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:32:33 EDT
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom) homeschooling stats
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2003 8:19:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> SandraDodd@... writes:
> > << It's a small, but very vocal subset of the
> > general homeschooling community. >>
> >
> > I don't think it's small. I think it's over half the people
> > homeschooling.
>
> I know it's a joke about the number of families homeschooling, but I'd
LOVE
> the figures of those that are homeschooling and why. Bad
> schools/religion/children's rights/whatever.
>
> And how many "jump ship" with certain curricula and move further "left" to
> unschooling. Does anybody actually move further "right" with a MORE or
> tougher curriculum? What would be REAL far? <g> What's the "rightest" (as
in
> FAR right) curriculum? Bob Jones? Sonlight? Well-trained Mind?
>
> Pam, does NHEN had reliable stats?
>
> ~Kelly
>
>
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>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:37:19 EDT
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> Subject: Re: Harry Potter
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2003 8:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Debbies4@... writes:
> > Does anyone have the Harry Potter Sorcerer's Stone video game? What
> > is your child's opinion of it?
>
> Duncan (and his friend Tristram who's here) says he likes Chamber of
Secrets
> (HPII) better ---'cause you get to fight the Basilisk!
>
> ~Kelly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:42:37 -0700
> From: Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
> Subject: Re: NO!
>
>
> On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 09:11 PM, kayb85 wrote:
>
> > They would end by having the
> > parents say, "You were really frustrated by that, weren't you" and
> > the child would say, "Yeah" and the conflict would be magically
> > ended. I wanted to add the next square which would be, "Yeah, I was
> > frustrated because I hate her and now I'm going to go hit her!" ;)
>
> Well - it has been a long time since I dealt with these issues and I
> haven't read the book in years, but I always assumed that those things
> would happen and you'd just keep at it. Persevere.
>
> The expectation that someone would be able to say these things and then
> the kid would go "Oh yeah" is unrealistic.
>
> What you're doing is building up credit - it takes a while. You get
> credit for listening, for commenting appropriately, for being loving
> when he's not, for having good instincts about when to hug and when to
> give space.
>
> It isn't a magic pill - to use these ideas. It doesn't work
> instantaneously. At least not usually - although sometimes it does seem
> like a miracle cure at first.
>
> A couple of weeks ago, at our park day, a little girl came, crying, to
> her mom. Her brother was being mean, she said. In their pretend play,
> she was his dog and she wanted to be named one thing and he said that
> was a stupid name and told her she was named something else. Her mom
> held her and hugged her while she cried and cried. She'd gulp and
> breathe and recover a little and look at her mom and say, "Its not fair
> I WANT to be Penny and he won't LET me." And then cry some more. Mom
> patted her back gently. She'd comment just a little, once in a while -
> "You REALLY want to be Penny, huh." Stuff like that. At one point mom
> kind of repeated something the girl had been saying, "He called the
> name you want to be stupid," The girl's crying got MUCh bigger and she
> said, "He always thinks my ideas are stupid because he's older and he
> thinks my ideas are for babies and.....on and on in a rush of
> resentment and upset all against her brother." Mom NEVER argued with
> her. Just hugged her while she got it ALL out. Said things once in a
> while like, "Oh," or other equally sympathetic, but noncommittal,
> sounds. This took a LONG time - 20 minutes maybe. The son came over in
> the middle of it - one of the other kids had tried to intervene, but he
> wasn't budging. Eventually the girl was done and ready to go play again.
>
> The mom never got up and tried to intervene and force the boy to give
> in - even though I imagine it was really frustrating, considering how
> silly the whole fuss seemed - who CARES what name your pretend pet dog
> chooses? Answer - both of these kids cared a lot - or maybe this wasn't
> even ABOUT that, really. Maybe he'd been bossing her around for an hour
> and this was just the final straw OR maybe she'd been refusing to go
> along with any of HIS ideas for the previous hour. NO way could mom
> really know. Neither kid wanted to work it out - neither wanted to talk
> about it at that point.
>
> I was SO impressed with this mom's patience. She built up HUGE credit
> with her daughter - she was so there for her - so NOT impatient and
> wanting her to hurry up and get over it. She didn't interfere - allowed
> her daughter to set the timing. She didn't force a solution - didn't
> force her to go "talk about it" - didn't try to make them work it out
> since it was obvious that, at that time, anyway, neither wanted to do
> that.
>
> Her kids played happily together for hours following that incident. All
> was forgotten and forgiven. Maybe they talked about it later - or maybe
> not. I know they talk about stuff like that - when everybody is feeling
> good and they have a bit of distance and perspective. Either way, it
> was a lovely lovely thing to watch such patience and kindness and
> intelligence at work!!!
>
> -pam
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 17:50:27 -0700
> From: Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...>
> Subject: Re: the evil Shel Silverstein
>
> I think he wrote A Boy Named Sue - Johnny Cash's song. I'm running out
> the door - somebody google it.
>
> -pam
>
>
> On Saturday, April 12, 2003, at 08:05 AM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 4/12/03 8:10:56 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:
> >
> > << Maybe she was afraid someone so obviously sexual would corrupt
> > children
> > magically through innocent children's poems.
> >>>
> >
> > Well there's that one about the snowball where the kid "took it to
> > bed."
> > THAT is sexual, surely.
> >
> > SNOWBALL
> >
> > I made myself a snowball
> > As perfect as could be.
> > I thought I'd keep it as a pet
> > And let it sleep with me.
> > I made it some pajamas
> > And a pillow for its head.
> > Then last night it ran away,
> > But first - it wet the bed.
> >
> > And what kind of thing is this, that he said?
> >
> > "Instead of tug o' war, let's play hug o' war."
> >
> > Sex and pacifism. He's a perverted peacenik.
> >
> > He wrote "Queen of the Silver Dollar," which was recorded by various
> > people
> > (Emmylou Harris notably), and it's about a bar. It's a country and
> > western
> > song, which might give him points with Baptists, but it's about a bar,
> > which
> > is sinful.
> >
> > Sandra
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:55:54 EDT
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Christians Again
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2003 12:39:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sorcha-aisling@... writes:
>
> > Which is it? You never heard
> > of that sort of thing? Or you know all about it because of how you grew
> > up?
> >
>
> I never knew they were an organized threat to the
unschooling/homeschooling
> movement. I didn't think there were many people like that. MOST of the
> families in my church were loving caring people. There were those that
were
> just sick, like mine, but I didn't for one minute think they were all like
> that. I thought they just stayed hid in their own little churches trying
to
> cause as little reaction as possible.
>
> I know what I lived and while my parents were avid church goers I believe
I
> would have lived the exact same life if they never darkened a church's
door.
> They were control freaks, they were sick in many ways. I don't really
think
> it came from church doctrine at all in my particular case. Now the
perverted
> behaviours of my FIL, the church didn't advocate that either. He did get
> caught in that and put out of the church for it, it was some years after I
> was completely gone from there though.
>
> So my ignorance was that they were organized enough to speak out and try
to
> have anything to do with legislation. Most times when people are that
> controlling and abusive they want no one prying in their business and
knowing
> what's going on.
>
> I also was ignorant of the church advocating whipping young children and
the
> things I read about in the last few days.
>
> I was not ignorant that abuse takes place at all. I know very well first
> hand about that. But I wasn't abused because I was willfully disobedient
or
> wore make up or short dresses or didn't do chores or was disrespectful. I
> made sure I did nothing to make my father angry. But nevertheless, I
walked
> too loudly across the floor, I took too long in the shower. I didn't
scrub
> the baseboards just right, the dish water wasn't quite hot enough. Not
> anything to do with church doctrine or their religious beliefs at all.
>
> glena
>
>
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>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 20:57:31 EDT
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Christians Again
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2003 12:39:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sorcha-aisling@... writes:
>
> > Do you even unschool??? I'm getting a headache here. If you unschool,
> > then you yourself should be offended by people who neglect their
> > children and call it unschooling.
>
> Yes, I'm learning to be better at it though. I am also offended by anyone
> who neglects their children for any reason and for whatever they call it.
>
> glena
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:01:38 -0700
> From: marji <marji@...>
> Subject: Re: the evil Shel Silverstein
>
> At 17:50 4/12/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >I think he wrote A Boy Named Sue - Johnny Cash's song. I'm running out
> >the door - somebody google it.
> >
> >-pam
>
> Yes, MA'AM! Done!
>
> Here's the link where he not only admits to having written the tune, but
> gives the lyrics and uke chords for a sequel (the story from the dad's
> perspective). Man, was that guy evil or what!
>
> http://www.sonicuke.com/c_father.php
>
> Marji
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:02:12 EDT
> From: JennWeed1@...
> Subject: RE: What do your kids call you?
>
> My daughter (3 years old) goes back and forth, usually calling us "Mom"
> (never Mommy) and "Daddy", and then sometimes calling us "Jen" and
"John".
> My mother was here visiting from out of state last week and laughed when
she
> heard my daughter call out to her father, "Hey John?" We're so used to
it,
> and we answer to it like it's perfectly fine. My mother ("old school")
> thinks it's inappropriate, but I can't help but find it refreshing. After
> all, that's our names, right? And I never call out, "Hey daughter!" But
I
> really don't mind either way.
>
> JenW
>
>
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>
>
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:02:58 EDT
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Christians Again
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2003 12:28:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mamaxaos@... writes:
>
> > I do wonder about the accuracy of your observations/judgments of the
> > referenced families as well as your motive in referring to them as
> > unschooling families.
> >
>
> They refer to themselves as unschoolers. Until very recently I thought
they
> were the example of "unschooling". They were the only people I had ever
come
> in contact with that used the term unschooling. They are definitely not
> unschoolers after I've come to read and read and listen and learn here.
>
> But you are right, if they don't cause a big enough problem, then it's not
> really a problem. Other than I only found out about REAL unschooling
quite
> by accident (or maybe not) when I was reading Sandra's website as
offered
> by someone in a regular homeschool group. So there are probably others
who
> think the same thing I did about unschooling. Probably not enough to hurt
> unschooling as a group, but maybe enough to keep someone else away from
the
> true joy that can come from it.
>
> No way to control what people call it though, you are right.
>
> glena
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:09:42 -0600
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> Subject: spanking was re: Christians again
>
> >>>As for the spanking part. I use it as a last resort. If they get
spanked
> >>>once a month the get spanked a lot.>>
>
> Yes, they do get spanked a lot. I'm glad my husband doesn't think it's
okay
> to hit me only once a month. For that matter, I'm glad my son, almost 14
and
> getting bigger than me by the minute, doesn't think it's okay to hit me
now
> that I'm smaller than him.
>
> Luckily we all have relationships based on trust and respect. I don't hit,
> my husband doesn't hit, my kids don't hit. We don't hit each other. We
don't
> hit other people.
>
> I hope you'll listen to any negative feedback you get about spanking with
an
> open heart. Your babes want your open arms, not the back of your hand.
Life
> can be better without spankings and punishments. Even if it's "only" once
a
> month.
>
> I can feel that you are a loving and giving parent, Yoki. You want what's
> best for your family. Family life really can work with peaceful parenting.
> Really.
>
> >>I know what it means to be abused. So does their father. And he does not
> >>like me to spank them for anything, but seeing as I am the
disciplinarian,
> >>he just respectfully bows out, :o)>>
>
> I know you are not abusing your children, but you are also not parenting
as
> gently and mindfully as you maybe could. Maybe you could talk to your
> husband a bit more about why he objects to spanking.
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>
> "The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the green
> earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly alive."
>
> ~ Thich Nhat Hanh
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:11:55 EDT
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> Subject: Re: the christian thread
>
> In a message dated 4/11/2003 9:25:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> SandraDodd@... writes:
>
> > When you don't understand something, it's really okay, sometimes, to
just
> > listen and think, or to go to google.com and look some things up.
> >
>
> And it's OK to question too, or maybe not?
>
> glena
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:20:00 +0800
> From: "MARK and JULIE SOLICH" <mjsolich@...>
> Subject: Re: What do your kids call you?
>
>
> > My kids usually call me "mom," unless they're someone else. If Katherine
> > is Thomas, I'm Annie and Brian's Clarabel. If they're Mary and Laura
> > then I'm Ma. If Katherine is Thomas the horse I'm Tom. So I can always
> > tell who to answer depending on what I'm addressed as.
> >
> > :-) Diane
> >
> > When Jesse (now 8) was 3 and a bit he gave us all new names. We became
> Caps, Matey, Bob and I was Moonman. We had those names for several
> months!!!!
>
> Julie
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:24:27 EDT
> From: rubyprincesstsg@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Christians Again
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2003 2:15:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> SandraDodd@... writes:
>
> > Well you already HAVE said something about them. Do they exist?
> > Did they unschool (by theirs or anyone's definition) for their kids'
entire
> >
> > homeschooling time, or did they take non-readers out of school in later
> > years
> > and ignore them and say "unschooling"?
> >
>
> These children have never in their lives been to school. They
occasionally
> go to Sunday School and Church. They most definitely exist. When the
mother
> decided to return to work a few years ago she asked me to let the one
child
> stay with me during the day. I asked about school. She told me that the
> child (then 14 and court ordered to be supervised) really needed nothing
in
> the way of school. He would find a way to amuse himself all day. She went
on
> to tell me that if I needed something done, dishes, lawn mowed, vacuuming,
> ANYTHING, I was to ask him, that's what he was used to. It was short
term,
> the child asked me to help him learn to read. She didn't like that and
> explained they were "unschoolers" and what it meant to her.
>
> I also want to apologize for speaking for you to the group. It was wrong.
I
> should have just said that it MIGHT offend anyone who lovingly raises
their
> children in an unschooling environment to have people describe this kind
of
> environment as unschooling.
>
> Again, I am very sorry for even attempting to speak for you or anyone else
in
> the group.
>
> glena
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:28:26 -0600
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> Subject: unschooling park days was re:mother problems :-(
>
> >>It was nice to go to a park with Teresa. We stayed as long as we wanted
> >>and had fun and talked, and not about school work or grades or
curriculum.
> >>LOL>>
>
> I have a fledgling unschooling group going here and we had our first park
> day of the season last week. It was WONDERFUL. Not any mention at all of
> curriculums or even homeschooling for that matter. Lots of kids of wildly
> varying ages playing cooperatively together. And lots of moms sharing life
> stories, not school stories.
>
> I'm so hoping the weather will hold for next week, but I hear it's
supposed
> to snow again. :-(
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>
> "The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the green
> earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly alive."
>
> ~ Thich Nhat Hanh
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:38:41 +0800
> From: "MARK and JULIE SOLICH" <mjsolich@...>
> Subject: Re: Oh my
>
>
> > The kids were so great while Kevin and I were in the hospital that I
> > picked up the new Harry Potter: Chamber of Secrets DVD for them today
> > at Wal-mart. Only $14.77...I remember when you couldn't buy a DVD
> > for less than $25.00.
> >
> > Debbie
> >
> > I am so jealous!! $25 for a DVD in Australia is a bargain. I bought Mark
> (husband) Spiderman for Christmas and it cost $43.95!!!
>
> Julie
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 21:32:27 -0400
> From: "Mary" <mummy124@...>
> Subject: Re: Christians again
>
> From: <SandraDodd@...>
>
> <<VERY very Christian.
> Jewish kids would not feel welcome.
> Islamic kids would not feel welcome.
>
> I wouldn't want my kids there.
>
> If everyone's Christian by happenstance, there's no reason to call it
> "Christian" anything.>>
>
>
>
> Probably why no Islamic or Jewish kids go there.
> I find it wonderful for my kids. My kids adore the coaches and wouldn't
miss
> it for the world. They are sad every summer when it ends due to hot
weather.
> I would never take them out just because it's too christian, I'm not and
> others would feel uncomfortable there. It's for my kids. It's what THEY
want
> that's important.
>
> As far as what coach calls it, it's his choice. Don't like it, don't go.
>
> Mary B
>
>
>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 19:38:33 -0600
> From: "zenmomma *" <zenmomma@...>
> Subject: Re: Christians again
>
> >>Not all Christians are that way. We do not walk around with belts ready
to
> >>beat at the drop of the hat. We do not homeschool because of religious
> >>reasons, and we do not live in fear of the television.>>
>
> The discussion is not about all Christians. Never was. The discussion is
> about the small, but very vocal and political group of fundamentalist
> Christians who school at home under the directive of their church leaders.
> There are very strict rules about what is allowed under those
circumstances.
> They sell rods at their homeschool conventions to use on their kids. They
> control and limit and shelter their kids to an extreme degree. It's a
group
> to be very wary of.
>
> Maybe the complaint shouldn't be that we use the term Christian in
decribing
> them. Maybe the complaint should be that they use the term Christian to
> describe themselves.
>
> >>I do not think you will find one absolutely perfect well adjusted
> >>individual in the world today.>>
>
> Hey, personally I think I'm doing okay. <g>
>
> >>We all have issues that we have to deal with. And they did not all arise
> >>from a spanking.>>
>
> No. But why should we put this potentially negative issue into our kids
> lives to begin with?
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>
> "The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the green
> earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly alive."
>
> ~ Thich Nhat Hanh
>
>
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