Re:No Explanation Needed / Christians Again
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In a message dated 4/12/03 12:50:59 PM, [email protected]
writes:
<< > Newbie here! Don't need special wording to understand that I was not
being
classifying an entire group of people "Christians" as exhibiting behaviours
that I would certainly not want associated with me at all.
I've found that on this list you need to be especially clear what you are
talking about or who you are referring to in order to make your point clear
and get the answers you are looking for. It does make a difference in how
others respond to you.
Either way, I'm VERY glad that others have decided to not lump me in with
that group of radical "christian homeschoolers" that I suspect would probably
STILL raise their children the very same way they do without a church or
"religion" but find the church a comfortable excuse or the acceptance of
their behaviours somehow reassuring.
I'm sure that Sandra would not be offended if I were to tell you all about
the two unschooling families that I am familiar with who now have children
who are 19 and 20 (and a handful of younger ones too) that can't read, can't
write, can barely be verbal in any social situation. They know nothing about
getting along in the world. It's very sad really. There are lots of things
I could tell you about them, but there is no need because it wouldn't change
their circumstances for them.
BUT if I were to say things about these unschoolers as fact, I'm sure that
Sandra would feel the need to point out that they are NOT unschoolers in her
sense of the word. You don't want others to misunderstand or think you
approve or accept things like rods with names, whipping babies to change them
and the like.
Last time I'm gonna try to explain why it is offensive to be grouped in with
these radicals. If it didn't offend you, I'm glad, it does bother me enough
to make sure no one thinks I am a part of that.
glena
into this group and read and did your research you would KNOW without having
to jump, that this group is NOT associated with these radicals. Why would
someone or anyone here that does not associate with these radicals try to
group one of us unschoolers in with them? Just don't get your point and I
really don't care to. I find in this group that you have to listen to what is
being said and not to be so defensive. Newbies are supposed to sit back and
listen, read, research and the such. Did you do this before joining this
group? Did you go and read all the archives? Did you visit Sandra's site? Do
you use google? Sure we may come here thinking we know it all and may be a
bit defensive but the way you have handled all of this gives me a headache.
For someone that has claimed to have gone through so much, why can't you just
ask questions? I was not offended because I know what I am and where I am.
Do you? I didn't need this issue to be beaten to death to see that I was not
being grouped. You don't have to keep on explaining why you became defensive
but I sure hope you learn from it and just ask, research and listen and stop
being so defensive. Thanks but no thanks I don't need to hear about the 2
unschooling families you are familiar with, I'm busy with more important
things like learning from this group and getting all I can from them so that
I can be a better parent. You see I have a teenage boy who was in the public
school and because of them and because of us NOT LISTENING he was hurt. I now
have to live with his slight brain damage, hearing loss, vision loss and
extreme anger towards children and adults not to mention all the guilt. My
husband and I have made great progress with him and I owe it all to this
list. If I thought they were anything than what they say they are, I sure
would not be here.
~Kim
writes:
<< > Newbie here! Don't need special wording to understand that I was not
being
> insulted for being Christian.I'm glad you didn't feel insulted. If was very apparent that it was
classifying an entire group of people "Christians" as exhibiting behaviours
that I would certainly not want associated with me at all.
I've found that on this list you need to be especially clear what you are
talking about or who you are referring to in order to make your point clear
and get the answers you are looking for. It does make a difference in how
others respond to you.
Either way, I'm VERY glad that others have decided to not lump me in with
that group of radical "christian homeschoolers" that I suspect would probably
STILL raise their children the very same way they do without a church or
"religion" but find the church a comfortable excuse or the acceptance of
their behaviours somehow reassuring.
I'm sure that Sandra would not be offended if I were to tell you all about
the two unschooling families that I am familiar with who now have children
who are 19 and 20 (and a handful of younger ones too) that can't read, can't
write, can barely be verbal in any social situation. They know nothing about
getting along in the world. It's very sad really. There are lots of things
I could tell you about them, but there is no need because it wouldn't change
their circumstances for them.
BUT if I were to say things about these unschoolers as fact, I'm sure that
Sandra would feel the need to point out that they are NOT unschoolers in her
sense of the word. You don't want others to misunderstand or think you
approve or accept things like rods with names, whipping babies to change them
and the like.
Last time I'm gonna try to explain why it is offensive to be grouped in with
these radicals. If it didn't offend you, I'm glad, it does bother me enough
to make sure no one thinks I am a part of that.
glena
>>First Glena, you don't need to explain anything to me! Second, If you looked
into this group and read and did your research you would KNOW without having
to jump, that this group is NOT associated with these radicals. Why would
someone or anyone here that does not associate with these radicals try to
group one of us unschoolers in with them? Just don't get your point and I
really don't care to. I find in this group that you have to listen to what is
being said and not to be so defensive. Newbies are supposed to sit back and
listen, read, research and the such. Did you do this before joining this
group? Did you go and read all the archives? Did you visit Sandra's site? Do
you use google? Sure we may come here thinking we know it all and may be a
bit defensive but the way you have handled all of this gives me a headache.
For someone that has claimed to have gone through so much, why can't you just
ask questions? I was not offended because I know what I am and where I am.
Do you? I didn't need this issue to be beaten to death to see that I was not
being grouped. You don't have to keep on explaining why you became defensive
but I sure hope you learn from it and just ask, research and listen and stop
being so defensive. Thanks but no thanks I don't need to hear about the 2
unschooling families you are familiar with, I'm busy with more important
things like learning from this group and getting all I can from them so that
I can be a better parent. You see I have a teenage boy who was in the public
school and because of them and because of us NOT LISTENING he was hurt. I now
have to live with his slight brain damage, hearing loss, vision loss and
extreme anger towards children and adults not to mention all the guilt. My
husband and I have made great progress with him and I owe it all to this
list. If I thought they were anything than what they say they are, I sure
would not be here.
~Kim
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In a message dated 4/12/2003 4:23:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HOMESCHOOL4GOOD@... writes:
unschooling in the context most of the ladies do and I've repeatedly said so,
and said I'm grateful for their experience, their thoughts and willingness to
share. I do ask questions LOTS of questions.
And like it has been said before I'm glad YOU got it, no explanation needed,
but there are over a thousand people here. It's not wrong to say you don't
believe in whipping babies or buying a rod to beat your child and that you
don't want associated with them. It's just NOT.
glena
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HOMESCHOOL4GOOD@... writes:
> Did you do this before joining thisYes, yes, yes, and yes. I came here knowing I knew next to nothing about
> group? Did you go and read all the archives? Did you visit Sandra's site?
> Do
> you use google? Sure we may come here thinking we know it all and may be a
> bit defensive but the way you have handled all of this gives me a headache.
>
> For someone that has claimed to have gone through so much, why can't you
> just
> ask questions? I
unschooling in the context most of the ladies do and I've repeatedly said so,
and said I'm grateful for their experience, their thoughts and willingness to
share. I do ask questions LOTS of questions.
And like it has been said before I'm glad YOU got it, no explanation needed,
but there are over a thousand people here. It's not wrong to say you don't
believe in whipping babies or buying a rod to beat your child and that you
don't want associated with them. It's just NOT.
glena
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