christians again
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/10/03 8:14:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I wish there was another word I could use in the place of Christian. I am
not ashamed of believing in Jesus but I am ashamed of Christianity/church.
How about "follower of Christ"?
I go to Unity, so the mainstream Christians don't consider me a Christian
anyway.
Which is fine with me.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<< I wish there was another word I could use in the place of Christian. I am
not ashamed of believing in Jesus but I am ashamed of Christianity/church.
>>Same here.
How about "follower of Christ"?
I go to Unity, so the mainstream Christians don't consider me a Christian
anyway.
Which is fine with me.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/11/03 7:01:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< You're in a store and your child wants something you don't have the money
for
or you don't think they need (candy, toy, etc) and they begin to throw a
tantrum. What would you do instead of spanking? Another...Child is asked
repeatedly to put their things away, they don't do it, and if told again
look
the parent in the face and say, "No! >>
I would assume the child has other priorities and put it away myself.
OR I would say "could you help me put these away really quick" and help her
do it.
If my child has a total meltdown in a store I try to calm them but if that
isn't possible we will leave. Better to come back when the child is capable
of being calm.
And I wouldn't punish them. I'd assume they were tired or hungry or needy in
some way and simply without the tools to tell me any other way.
Keeping snacks with us is a good way of avoiding toddler meltdowns, and a
good distraction too!
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<< You're in a store and your child wants something you don't have the money
for
or you don't think they need (candy, toy, etc) and they begin to throw a
tantrum. What would you do instead of spanking? Another...Child is asked
repeatedly to put their things away, they don't do it, and if told again
look
the parent in the face and say, "No! >>
I would assume the child has other priorities and put it away myself.
OR I would say "could you help me put these away really quick" and help her
do it.
If my child has a total meltdown in a store I try to calm them but if that
isn't possible we will leave. Better to come back when the child is capable
of being calm.
And I wouldn't punish them. I'd assume they were tired or hungry or needy in
some way and simply without the tools to tell me any other way.
Keeping snacks with us is a good way of avoiding toddler meltdowns, and a
good distraction too!
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
Sorcha
<< You're in a store and your child wants something you don't have the
money
for or you don't think they need (candy, toy, etc >>
When we're in the check-out aisle and my kids are drooling over the
candy, I say something like, "I know. That candy *does* look delicious,
doesn't it? It makes me want to hurry up and check out so we can go
home and bake cookies." Also it helps that I have never, ever bought
candy in the check-out aisle. If we want candy (which I do, every
single month during PMS), we buy it in the candy aisle, where it's
cheaper and in larger packages that will last longer. There's no reason
for my kids to beg for a little bag of M&Ms when they know there's a
huge bag of them at home.
As far as grocery store toys, if it's a matchbox car, I'll buy it. If
it's a cheap plastic toy, I'll remind them of other cheap plastic toys
that looked fun but broke within two minutes.
Sorcha
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money
for or you don't think they need (candy, toy, etc >>
When we're in the check-out aisle and my kids are drooling over the
candy, I say something like, "I know. That candy *does* look delicious,
doesn't it? It makes me want to hurry up and check out so we can go
home and bake cookies." Also it helps that I have never, ever bought
candy in the check-out aisle. If we want candy (which I do, every
single month during PMS), we buy it in the candy aisle, where it's
cheaper and in larger packages that will last longer. There's no reason
for my kids to beg for a little bag of M&Ms when they know there's a
huge bag of them at home.
As far as grocery store toys, if it's a matchbox car, I'll buy it. If
it's a cheap plastic toy, I'll remind them of other cheap plastic toys
that looked fun but broke within two minutes.
Sorcha
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coyote's corner
One of the ways that works for us; Brianna & I have discussed environmental impact. We have, in the past bought this plastic junk - doesn't last, wastes money and it's made in China and shipped here. We've discussed the energy it takes to manufacture, to transport and how, when we buy this stuff - we are 'voting' for this company that is disrespectful/destructive of the environment.
Further more, we also discuss how much money we have and what we really want to do with it. Sure, she may want this $4.99 toy or that .99 cent candy bar - but more and more, she'll say - herself- no, I'd rather save the money. A few months ago, her bio-mom was shopping w/ us. She was buying her other two kids some junk toys. Brianna said she'd rather have the money - Thank you very much -she told her bio-mom that the company exploited the planet and the kids and that she'd rather save her money for her animal refuge that she wants to build.
Another aspect of this -- I don't buy chips. We both gave them up and we save the money. It's about $15.00 per month. At the end of the year, we'll invest it somewhere, somehow.
Also, we are on the pow wow trail. We know people that have little or nothing. Many reservations are like third world countries. So we try to spend wisely.
As for manners. Again, on the pow wow trail - manners are everywhere. How we act & interact w/ elders, how we act & interact w/ other kids. There's no cutting ahead in line; there's no interrupting; lies are not tolerated as it hurts the People. Things like that. I find the pow wow trail very, very helpful in her development.
Janis
Further more, we also discuss how much money we have and what we really want to do with it. Sure, she may want this $4.99 toy or that .99 cent candy bar - but more and more, she'll say - herself- no, I'd rather save the money. A few months ago, her bio-mom was shopping w/ us. She was buying her other two kids some junk toys. Brianna said she'd rather have the money - Thank you very much -she told her bio-mom that the company exploited the planet and the kids and that she'd rather save her money for her animal refuge that she wants to build.
Another aspect of this -- I don't buy chips. We both gave them up and we save the money. It's about $15.00 per month. At the end of the year, we'll invest it somewhere, somehow.
Also, we are on the pow wow trail. We know people that have little or nothing. Many reservations are like third world countries. So we try to spend wisely.
As for manners. Again, on the pow wow trail - manners are everywhere. How we act & interact w/ elders, how we act & interact w/ other kids. There's no cutting ahead in line; there's no interrupting; lies are not tolerated as it hurts the People. Things like that. I find the pow wow trail very, very helpful in her development.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sorcha
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] christians again
<< You're in a store and your child wants something you don't have the
money
for or you don't think they need (candy, toy, etc >>
When we're in the check-out aisle and my kids are drooling over the
candy, I say something like, "I know. That candy *does* look delicious,
doesn't it? It makes me want to hurry up and check out so we can go
home and bake cookies." Also it helps that I have never, ever bought
candy in the check-out aisle. If we want candy (which I do, every
single month during PMS), we buy it in the candy aisle, where it's
cheaper and in larger packages that will last longer. There's no reason
for my kids to beg for a little bag of M&Ms when they know there's a
huge bag of them at home.
As far as grocery store toys, if it's a matchbox car, I'll buy it. If
it's a cheap plastic toy, I'll remind them of other cheap plastic toys
that looked fun but broke within two minutes.
Sorcha
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Sorcha
>>>One of the ways that works for us; Brianna & I have discussedenvironmental impact.<<<
That's a very important point. My sons, at two and five, can't really
grasp the environmental impact of a tiny plastic toy, but I've told my
husband and parents that I absolutely don't want them picking up "cute"
little plastic things for the kids that have two minutes of pleasure and
then go to a landfill.
If each child in America had only ten small plastic toys that broke
right away and went to a landfill, that's millions of toys. And it's
not ten per child; it's hundreds. Thousands, for some kids.
My children have a lot of toys, and many of them are plastic, but it's
important to me that if they're going to have a plastic toy, that it
will last for a long time and be passed to other children when they're
done with it. Like Fisher Price Little People. They have a lot of
these toys. But they never break, my older son has played with them
nonstop for three years, I know they will last many more years before my
kids are done with them, and then they'll still be good enough for
another child to enjoy them. Quality is very important to me in
children's toys. Is something going to last many years and give many
hours of enjoyment, or is it going to end up in the dumpster after five
minutes? I can't justify bringing things into the home that are going
to go straight to a landfill.
I also shop for my children in used clothing and toy stores. I
frequently find things that are brand new, even in their original
package or with tags still attached. In affluent neighborhoods, parents
overbuy and the kids never even use some of the stuff. The stuff in
resale shops is so nice that I'd challenge anyone who thinks it's cruel
to make my kids have used stuff (there are people who think this) to go
through my children's things and point out which ones I've bought used,
which ones their grandparents have bought new, and which ones I've found
sitting next to a dumpster. (I live in an apartment complex, and when
people move at the end of the month, they put tons of perfectly good
stuff they don't feel like taking with them right next to the dumpster.)
Sorcha
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coyote's corner
I have a beautiful gray suede suit (jacket; skirt) that is fabulous. Came out of 'trash' that I found next to a chest of drawers. The chest of drawers was cleaned, fixed and sits in my bedroom. It's over 100 years old! The suit looks pretty good on me!
I buy many of our things at Savers (Used clothing and items). We have a brand new Pokemon Monopoly game that we paid 1.00 for. I have a beautiful black leather bag - 50 cents!!
Our grill - 4.00
Also, friends bring things over because we send stuff to some of the reservations. We can't afford to send everything - so we barter some things. Some things we keep - glasses and other breakables, some books ( I can't justify shipping romance novels about young white virgins and middle aged very wealthy white men to the rez!!) just go directly to Savers.
Brianna's bio-mom had a real big problem with this. She felt that all of Brianna's things should be new. She doesn't pay my bills. I just smile and say "That's nice.'"
There's absolutely nothing wrong w/ buying used. It saves money and frankly - Brianna is so hard on clothes, plus - she doesn't care what she wears or how she looks. She doesn't understand her friends that have tons of clothing.....Brianna feels the money should be spent on other things.
I buy underwear and socks new. I buy her shoes & sneakers new. I sometimes get her winter boots used. Sometimes not. She really doesn't care.
One of the big problems I had w/ school was the consumerism that was taught.
Janis
I buy many of our things at Savers (Used clothing and items). We have a brand new Pokemon Monopoly game that we paid 1.00 for. I have a beautiful black leather bag - 50 cents!!
Our grill - 4.00
Also, friends bring things over because we send stuff to some of the reservations. We can't afford to send everything - so we barter some things. Some things we keep - glasses and other breakables, some books ( I can't justify shipping romance novels about young white virgins and middle aged very wealthy white men to the rez!!) just go directly to Savers.
Brianna's bio-mom had a real big problem with this. She felt that all of Brianna's things should be new. She doesn't pay my bills. I just smile and say "That's nice.'"
There's absolutely nothing wrong w/ buying used. It saves money and frankly - Brianna is so hard on clothes, plus - she doesn't care what she wears or how she looks. She doesn't understand her friends that have tons of clothing.....Brianna feels the money should be spent on other things.
I buy underwear and socks new. I buy her shoes & sneakers new. I sometimes get her winter boots used. Sometimes not. She really doesn't care.
One of the big problems I had w/ school was the consumerism that was taught.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sorcha
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] christians again
>>>One of the ways that works for us; Brianna & I have discussed
environmental impact.<<<
That's a very important point. My sons, at two and five, can't really
grasp the environmental impact of a tiny plastic toy, but I've told my
husband and parents that I absolutely don't want them picking up "cute"
little plastic things for the kids that have two minutes of pleasure and
then go to a landfill.
If each child in America had only ten small plastic toys that broke
right away and went to a landfill, that's millions of toys. And it's
not ten per child; it's hundreds. Thousands, for some kids.
My children have a lot of toys, and many of them are plastic, but it's
important to me that if they're going to have a plastic toy, that it
will last for a long time and be passed to other children when they're
done with it. Like Fisher Price Little People. They have a lot of
these toys. But they never break, my older son has played with them
nonstop for three years, I know they will last many more years before my
kids are done with them, and then they'll still be good enough for
another child to enjoy them. Quality is very important to me in
children's toys. Is something going to last many years and give many
hours of enjoyment, or is it going to end up in the dumpster after five
minutes? I can't justify bringing things into the home that are going
to go straight to a landfill.
I also shop for my children in used clothing and toy stores. I
frequently find things that are brand new, even in their original
package or with tags still attached. In affluent neighborhoods, parents
overbuy and the kids never even use some of the stuff. The stuff in
resale shops is so nice that I'd challenge anyone who thinks it's cruel
to make my kids have used stuff (there are people who think this) to go
through my children's things and point out which ones I've bought used,
which ones their grandparents have bought new, and which ones I've found
sitting next to a dumpster. (I live in an apartment complex, and when
people move at the end of the month, they put tons of perfectly good
stuff they don't feel like taking with them right next to the dumpster.)
Sorcha
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In a message dated 4/11/03 8:38:59 AM, sorcha-aisling@... writes:
<< When we're in the check-out aisle and my kids are drooling over the
candy, I say something like, "I know. That candy *does* look delicious,
doesn't it? It makes me want to hurry up and check out so we can go
home and bake cookies." Also it helps that I have never, ever bought
candy in the check-out aisle. >>
Lots of stores here have candy-free aisles. You can choose to go through
where all the kids see are disposable razors and chapstick and little
flashlights.
<<There's no reason
for my kids to beg for a little bag of M&Ms when they know there's a
huge bag of them at home.>>
If you offer the kids candy, they will stop being candy-needy, too.
My kids don't beg for candy because I've offered it so many times.
Kind of related to this:
It's traditional advice even for parents without children to eat before going
to the grocery store so you don't shop hungry. If you're waiting until
starvation is there to go to the store, you waited too long and a kid's
meltdown is YOUR fault.
But taking from that and what we've learned about kids not being needy, when
we're going to the movies now we usually make microwave popcorn just before
we go, and eat it on the way. Then when we get to the theatre, the popcorn
doesn't smell so good, and the $4.75 price looks AWFUL since we just shared a
dollar's worth, all four or five of us. Innoculated for about a quarter
apiece!
Sandra
<< When we're in the check-out aisle and my kids are drooling over the
candy, I say something like, "I know. That candy *does* look delicious,
doesn't it? It makes me want to hurry up and check out so we can go
home and bake cookies." Also it helps that I have never, ever bought
candy in the check-out aisle. >>
Lots of stores here have candy-free aisles. You can choose to go through
where all the kids see are disposable razors and chapstick and little
flashlights.
<<There's no reason
for my kids to beg for a little bag of M&Ms when they know there's a
huge bag of them at home.>>
If you offer the kids candy, they will stop being candy-needy, too.
My kids don't beg for candy because I've offered it so many times.
Kind of related to this:
It's traditional advice even for parents without children to eat before going
to the grocery store so you don't shop hungry. If you're waiting until
starvation is there to go to the store, you waited too long and a kid's
meltdown is YOUR fault.
But taking from that and what we've learned about kids not being needy, when
we're going to the movies now we usually make microwave popcorn just before
we go, and eat it on the way. Then when we get to the theatre, the popcorn
doesn't smell so good, and the $4.75 price looks AWFUL since we just shared a
dollar's worth, all four or five of us. Innoculated for about a quarter
apiece!
Sandra
Shyrley
SandraDodd@... wrote:
suggested that maybe he save the rest as we can't get them here plus he would feel sick.
he's 7. He ate all of them. He now feels sick. I've given him a homeopathic remedy but I know he's learned a valuable lesson that me just ordering him to stop would not have taught him. In future I
imagine he'll save his candy just like the other two do.
Now, anyone know what I can give him to relieve the discomfort of a tummy full of chocolate and toffee and rice-crispies?
Shyrley
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>Same here. Something that they re-learned today. Mother-in Law bought them 10 bars each of an English candy bar called a 'Tasty'. Rhodri has just eaten every single one, one after the other. After 5 I
>
> If you offer the kids candy, they will stop being candy-needy, too.
> My kids don't beg for candy because I've offered it so many times.
>
suggested that maybe he save the rest as we can't get them here plus he would feel sick.
he's 7. He ate all of them. He now feels sick. I've given him a homeopathic remedy but I know he's learned a valuable lesson that me just ordering him to stop would not have taught him. In future I
imagine he'll save his candy just like the other two do.
Now, anyone know what I can give him to relieve the discomfort of a tummy full of chocolate and toffee and rice-crispies?
Shyrley
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[email protected]
In a message dated 4/11/03 1:05:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Cultural awareness and political correctness are hooted down HARD by the
Christian Homescooling movement. They don't want to teach their children
compassion and acceptance of other cultures. Not even compassion and
awareness of other religious denominations. >>
I have a friend (someone that I knew when I was more conservative, she'd
probably think I was a total heathen now) that complained about "Culture
worship".
"Truth " ( as she saw it) was more important than any one group maintaining a
cultural identity. I mean, they were just going to hell unless they became
christian, so their culture was not important.
Apparently worhipping the christian culture was ok with her though. sheesh.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<< Cultural awareness and political correctness are hooted down HARD by the
Christian Homescooling movement. They don't want to teach their children
compassion and acceptance of other cultures. Not even compassion and
awareness of other religious denominations. >>
I have a friend (someone that I knew when I was more conservative, she'd
probably think I was a total heathen now) that complained about "Culture
worship".
"Truth " ( as she saw it) was more important than any one group maintaining a
cultural identity. I mean, they were just going to hell unless they became
christian, so their culture was not important.
Apparently worhipping the christian culture was ok with her though. sheesh.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
Rebecca DeLong
Sorcha <sorcha-aisling@...> wrote:
<<<I also shop for my children in used clothing and toy stores. I
frequently find things that are brand new, even in their original
package or with tags still attached. In affluent neighborhoods, parents
overbuy and the kids never even use some of the stuff. The stuff in
resale shops is so nice that I'd challenge anyone who thinks it's cruel
to make my kids have used stuff (there are people who think this) to go
through my children's things and point out which ones I've bought used,
which ones their grandparents have bought new, and which ones I've found
sitting next to a dumpster. (I live in an apartment complex, and when
people move at the end of the month, they put tons of perfectly good
stuff they don't feel like taking with them right next to the dumpster.)
Sorcha>>>
We shop almost exclusivly at thrift stores and swap meets. We all have our favorite ones and try to hit a different one a week. Jason and My favorite one has books for .35 for paperbacks and .50 for hardbacks plus they almost always have books at 50% off.
Just last week Jason found a trashcan full of Japannese stoneware dishes in the alley. They don't all match but they are really cool and look good together.
Rebecca
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<<<I also shop for my children in used clothing and toy stores. I
frequently find things that are brand new, even in their original
package or with tags still attached. In affluent neighborhoods, parents
overbuy and the kids never even use some of the stuff. The stuff in
resale shops is so nice that I'd challenge anyone who thinks it's cruel
to make my kids have used stuff (there are people who think this) to go
through my children's things and point out which ones I've bought used,
which ones their grandparents have bought new, and which ones I've found
sitting next to a dumpster. (I live in an apartment complex, and when
people move at the end of the month, they put tons of perfectly good
stuff they don't feel like taking with them right next to the dumpster.)
Sorcha>>>
We shop almost exclusivly at thrift stores and swap meets. We all have our favorite ones and try to hit a different one a week. Jason and My favorite one has books for .35 for paperbacks and .50 for hardbacks plus they almost always have books at 50% off.
Just last week Jason found a trashcan full of Japannese stoneware dishes in the alley. They don't all match but they are really cool and look good together.
Rebecca
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Have a Nice Day!
Oh if only I could get my kids to GET RID of all the clothes they have!!!!!
LOL!
Kristen
LOL!
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: Rebecca DeLong
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] christians again
Sorcha <sorcha-aisling@...> wrote:
<<<I also shop for my children in used clothing and toy stores. I
frequently find things that are brand new, even in their original
package or with tags still attached. In affluent neighborhoods, parents
overbuy and the kids never even use some of the stuff. The stuff in
resale shops is so nice that I'd challenge anyone who thinks it's cruel
to make my kids have used stuff (there are people who think this) to go
through my children's things and point out which ones I've bought used,
which ones their grandparents have bought new, and which ones I've found
sitting next to a dumpster. (I live in an apartment complex, and when
people move at the end of the month, they put tons of perfectly good
stuff they don't feel like taking with them right next to the dumpster.)
Sorcha>>>
We shop almost exclusivly at thrift stores and swap meets. We all have our favorite ones and try to hit a different one a week. Jason and My favorite one has books for .35 for paperbacks and .50 for hardbacks plus they almost always have books at 50% off.
Just last week Jason found a trashcan full of Japannese stoneware dishes in the alley. They don't all match but they are really cool and look good together.
Rebecca
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In a message dated 4/11/03 3:12:24 PM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< I mean, they were just going to hell unless they became
christian, so their culture was not important. >>
True! It works just like ecology. <g>
Souls count, "the earth" is only the platform we wait on while God sorts
people into heaven and hell, and animals don't have souls, they're just here
for us to eat or to pull our stuff around, so it's okay if species die out.
They're not going to heaven anyway.
The only reason NOT to destroy all of any foreign culture is because some of
them might convert to Christianity if they live.
Sandra
<< I mean, they were just going to hell unless they became
christian, so their culture was not important. >>
True! It works just like ecology. <g>
Souls count, "the earth" is only the platform we wait on while God sorts
people into heaven and hell, and animals don't have souls, they're just here
for us to eat or to pull our stuff around, so it's okay if species die out.
They're not going to heaven anyway.
The only reason NOT to destroy all of any foreign culture is because some of
them might convert to Christianity if they live.
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/11/03 4:31:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
Yes, so, admit it or not, You ARE a Christian in God's eyes. You may deny
him and even hate him and his people, but those are the folks you'll be
sharing Heaven with. >>
I don't think , that unless you've died, been there and come back you have
any authority to be telling us all what will happen after death.
It's your personal BELIEF, not fact.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<<
Yes, so, admit it or not, You ARE a Christian in God's eyes. You may deny
him and even hate him and his people, but those are the folks you'll be
sharing Heaven with. >>
I don't think , that unless you've died, been there and come back you have
any authority to be telling us all what will happen after death.
It's your personal BELIEF, not fact.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
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In a message dated 4/11/03 5:46:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
believe in Heaven or Hell. ANY belief about what happens when we die is
questionable.
Teresa
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> I don't think , that unless you've died, been there and come back you haveAgreed. On on the same hand, neither do you nor anyone else who does not
> any authority to be telling us all what will happen after death.
> It's your personal BELIEF, not fact
believe in Heaven or Hell. ANY belief about what happens when we die is
questionable.
Teresa
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 07:34 AM, Sorcha wrote:
what they want, it is fine with me. They only ask once in a while.
Rosie went through a stage of wanting tic-tacs every time we shopped.
So - 75 cents once or twice a week? I can manage that.
My kids don't go shopping with me much, anymore. It is my great
pleasure when they do and they ask if I'll buy them some Mentos or
something and I CAN do it. When I'm old and they have to take ME
shopping, I hope they'll remember how kind I was in the grocery store!!!
-pam
>I pretty much always say yes if they ask. Candy is cheap and if that is
> When we're in the check-out aisle and my kids are drooling over the
> candy, I say something like, "I know. That candy *does* look
> delicious,
> doesn't it? It makes me want to hurry up and check out so we can go
> home and bake cookies." Also it helps that I have never, ever bought
> candy in the check-out aisle.
what they want, it is fine with me. They only ask once in a while.
Rosie went through a stage of wanting tic-tacs every time we shopped.
So - 75 cents once or twice a week? I can manage that.
My kids don't go shopping with me much, anymore. It is my great
pleasure when they do and they ask if I'll buy them some Mentos or
something and I CAN do it. When I'm old and they have to take ME
shopping, I hope they'll remember how kind I was in the grocery store!!!
-pam
Sorcha
>>>Candy is cheap<<<It seems cheap now, but we went through a time a few years back when we
literally had about $16 per week available for groceries. It didn't
seem so cheap then. So I'm already in the habit of not buying extras at
the check-out.
Sorcha
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Barb Eaton
Shyrley,
Now you have me curious and almost caught up. LOL! What different kinds
of candies are there in England? Same as here just having a different name?
What are Rice-Crispies? I'm guessing it's not the cereal treat we know of.
This could be fun too. ;-)
Barb E
"I have learned that success is to be measured not so much by the position
that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while
trying to succeed"-- Booker T. Washington
on 4/11/03 3:28 PM, Shyrley at shyrley.williams@... wrote:
Now you have me curious and almost caught up. LOL! What different kinds
of candies are there in England? Same as here just having a different name?
What are Rice-Crispies? I'm guessing it's not the cereal treat we know of.
This could be fun too. ;-)
Barb E
"I have learned that success is to be measured not so much by the position
that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while
trying to succeed"-- Booker T. Washington
on 4/11/03 3:28 PM, Shyrley at shyrley.williams@... wrote:
> Same here. Something that they re-learned today. Mother-in Law bought them 10
> bars each of an English candy bar called a 'Tasty'. Rhodri has just eaten
> every single one, one after the other. After 5 I
> suggested that maybe he save the rest as we can't get them here plus he would
> feel sick.
> he's 7. He ate all of them. He now feels sick. I've given him a homeopathic
> remedy but I know he's learned a valuable lesson that me just ordering him to
> stop would not have taught him. In future I
> imagine he'll save his candy just like the other two do.
>
> Now, anyone know what I can give him to relieve the discomfort of a tummy full
> of chocolate and toffee and rice-crispies?
>
> Shyrley
>
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In a message dated 4/11/03 6:26:21 PM, grlynbl@... writes:
<< Agreed. On on the same hand, neither do you nor anyone else who does not
believe in Heaven or Hell. ANY belief about what happens when we die is
questionable. >>
So why is it being discussed here?
When my kids ask me, I tell them the truth as well as I know it, which is I
don't know, and nobody else knows either, though some believe this and some
believe that.
Sandra
<< Agreed. On on the same hand, neither do you nor anyone else who does not
believe in Heaven or Hell. ANY belief about what happens when we die is
questionable. >>
So why is it being discussed here?
When my kids ask me, I tell them the truth as well as I know it, which is I
don't know, and nobody else knows either, though some believe this and some
believe that.
Sandra
coyote's corner
Hmmm...if I may, I have been here before. There are many like me. We have lived before. Now, whether anyone believes or not is none of my business or my concern. I know I have lived and died at least three other times.
Janis
Janis
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From: grlynbl@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] christians again
In a message dated 4/11/03 5:46:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
> I don't think , that unless you've died, been there and come back you have
> any authority to be telling us all what will happen after death.
> It's your personal BELIEF, not fact
Agreed. On on the same hand, neither do you nor anyone else who does not
believe in Heaven or Hell. ANY belief about what happens when we die is
questionable.
Teresa
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Sorcha
>>>I have been here before.<<<When my second son was born, he had this expression on his face for
about a week that looked exactly like an old man who was about to
complain about something but suddenly found that he'd forgotten how to
speak. It was an unmistakable expression. So much so that when people
saw him for the first time, they'd say, "Now he's an old soul for sure!"
I believe that where we go when we die and where babies come here from
are the same place.
Sorcha
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In a message dated 4/11/03 7:23:25 PM, sorcha-aisling@... writes:
<< When my second son was born, he had this expression on his face for
about a week that looked exactly like an old man who was about to
complain about something but suddenly found that he'd forgotten how to
speak. It was an unmistakable expression. >>
Marty came out calm and looking at things like he had seen them all before,
except me. I was new. <g> Other stuff didn't seem to be. It was
interesting.
Sandra
<< When my second son was born, he had this expression on his face for
about a week that looked exactly like an old man who was about to
complain about something but suddenly found that he'd forgotten how to
speak. It was an unmistakable expression. >>
Marty came out calm and looking at things like he had seen them all before,
except me. I was new. <g> Other stuff didn't seem to be. It was
interesting.
Sandra
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About spanking, Trevor (13) says "All it teaches you is to be scared of the
person hitting you. How would you feel if someone bigger and stronger than
you came along and hit you whenever you made a mistake?"
Jared (9.5) says "It's bad because you are hurting another human being. It
hurts their feelings."
Sierra (5) says "It's bad cuz it's mean. Be nice to your kids."
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
person hitting you. How would you feel if someone bigger and stronger than
you came along and hit you whenever you made a mistake?"
Jared (9.5) says "It's bad because you are hurting another human being. It
hurts their feelings."
Sierra (5) says "It's bad cuz it's mean. Be nice to your kids."
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
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In a message dated 4/11/03 9:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jana@... writes:
beliefs are questionable and upeach individual to accept or reject.
Teresa
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jana@... writes:
> Hmmm...if I may, I have been here before. There are many like me. We haveYou can prove that as easily as I can prove there is a heaven. Again, all
> lived before. Now, whether anyone believes or not is none of my business or
> my concern. I know I have lived and died at least three other times.
> Janis
>
beliefs are questionable and upeach individual to accept or reject.
Teresa
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Tia Leschke
>have
> > I don't think , that unless you've died, been there and come back you
> > any authority to be telling us all what will happen after death.Exactly. But some people state their opinion on these subjects as if it
> > It's your personal BELIEF, not fact
>
> Agreed. On on the same hand, neither do you nor anyone else who does not
> believe in Heaven or Hell. ANY belief about what happens when we die is
> questionable.
were fact. It's only fact to them and others who happen to believe the same
way.
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
coyote's corner
When Brianna was around two and a half years old, she, along with my wonderful aged (late) aunt and I were at a local mall. All of a sudden, Brianna looked up and across the width of the mall (keep in mind, this is RI - the malls here aren't as large as some I've seen elsewhere!). Brianna nigh on climbed out of her umbrella stroller! She was crying, scared, almost panic stricken. She was looking at a little girl of around 8 or 10 years old. The little girl was staring at Brianna with such a look of hatred - pure hatred.
My aunt and I were trying to comfort Brianna. Brianna finally told us that when she was a little girl 'before' that girl had hurt her allot.
Brianna told me that before she was born, she was star 'up there but not these'.
I've always felt that Brianna was meant for me to raise. I've told her that her bio-mom had to have her because I couldn't. Have you read anything about reincarnation? If you'd like, we can talk of this off list. Although, reincarnation has much to do w/ my decision to unschool!!
Janis
My aunt and I were trying to comfort Brianna. Brianna finally told us that when she was a little girl 'before' that girl had hurt her allot.
Brianna told me that before she was born, she was star 'up there but not these'.
I've always felt that Brianna was meant for me to raise. I've told her that her bio-mom had to have her because I couldn't. Have you read anything about reincarnation? If you'd like, we can talk of this off list. Although, reincarnation has much to do w/ my decision to unschool!!
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sorcha
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] christians again
>>>I have been here before.<<<
When my second son was born, he had this expression on his face for
about a week that looked exactly like an old man who was about to
complain about something but suddenly found that he'd forgotten how to
speak. It was an unmistakable expression. So much so that when people
saw him for the first time, they'd say, "Now he's an old soul for sure!"
I believe that where we go when we die and where babies come here from
are the same place.
Sorcha
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In a message dated 4/11/03 11:11:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Is this fundy christian thing something you made up or for real? So
fundamentalist christians aren't necessarily the spanking restricting
parents that some say they are??? >>
I do know some people that take the bible literally, are extreme
conservatives BUT try to be positive parents that don't spank and let their
kids watch Harry Potter and what not.
I think that's where the separate term FUNDY came in.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<< Is this fundy christian thing something you made up or for real? So
fundamentalist christians aren't necessarily the spanking restricting
parents that some say they are??? >>
I do know some people that take the bible literally, are extreme
conservatives BUT try to be positive parents that don't spank and let their
kids watch Harry Potter and what not.
I think that's where the separate term FUNDY came in.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/12/03 8:43:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to ask.
True story.
Their money's not worth earning, imo, and we most assuredly DON'T have the
same goals at heart. I never went back. >>
Yuck.
I did an art class for a group like this once. Never again! I had to be all
careful about the nudity in my art materials and such, it was ridiculous.
It's NOT worth the money.
Coming from a storytelling home (my Mom was really into storytelling) I am
curious if you ever performed in Jonesboro, at the Storytelling festival?
That was one of the most magical weekends of my life, I hope to return one
day.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<< I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to ask.
True story.
Their money's not worth earning, imo, and we most assuredly DON'T have the
same goals at heart. I never went back. >>
Yuck.
I did an art class for a group like this once. Never again! I had to be all
careful about the nudity in my art materials and such, it was ridiculous.
It's NOT worth the money.
Coming from a storytelling home (my Mom was really into storytelling) I am
curious if you ever performed in Jonesboro, at the Storytelling festival?
That was one of the most magical weekends of my life, I hope to return one
day.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
coyote's corner
I can bring you to a town that I had never been in - in fact - it's been a ghost town since well before my (this) birth. It's off the beaten track. I went to this town on instinct. I described to the people I was with. I even described the area on the far side of town and two of the structures - one of which was long gone.
BTW-- have you read Nag Hammadi Library?
Are you aware that in non European versions of the bible - reincarnation is mentioned?
Are you aware that many other people wrote of the life, times, death and resurrection of Jesus? Did you know that not all of these gospels were put into the New Testament? Some were rejected by Constantine & his wife for very political reasons.
I often point out to people that through out history, people have believed in a great many religions. Each and every religion had very devout followers. What is the difference between a family of ancient Athens. A family that truly, in their heart and spirit knew - that Athena would/could bestow this ; they knew that the Labyrinth would do that - what is the difference?? So very many religions have taught re-incarnation. Furthermore - if you look at the natural world - everything is recycled - why not souls??
See - that, to me - makes perfect sense.
Janis
BTW-- have you read Nag Hammadi Library?
Are you aware that in non European versions of the bible - reincarnation is mentioned?
Are you aware that many other people wrote of the life, times, death and resurrection of Jesus? Did you know that not all of these gospels were put into the New Testament? Some were rejected by Constantine & his wife for very political reasons.
I often point out to people that through out history, people have believed in a great many religions. Each and every religion had very devout followers. What is the difference between a family of ancient Athens. A family that truly, in their heart and spirit knew - that Athena would/could bestow this ; they knew that the Labyrinth would do that - what is the difference?? So very many religions have taught re-incarnation. Furthermore - if you look at the natural world - everything is recycled - why not souls??
See - that, to me - makes perfect sense.
Janis
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From: grlynbl@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] christians again
In a message dated 4/11/03 9:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jana@... writes:
> Hmmm...if I may, I have been here before. There are many like me. We have
> lived before. Now, whether anyone believes or not is none of my business or
> my concern. I know I have lived and died at least three other times.
> Janis
>
You can prove that as easily as I can prove there is a heaven. Again, all
beliefs are questionable and upeach individual to accept or reject.
Teresa
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sablehs
Had the same type experience with my oldest child. She {being about 4 or so}said remembered when she had different parents but her sister {then a very young toddler} was her sister before, and she had a brother but her parents were different. She talked about her house and family and drew pictures. She remembered dying as well. {as far as I know she had nothing to give her ideas and I didn't praise her for this information, just listened and it was before I talked about them coosing me as a parent, which is what I believe} Now, later she doesn't remember it as well {she is 9 now} and we don't talk about it as much because she doesn't seem interested.My personal belief is we have things to learn and we carry over many things from previous lifetimes {that is one thing my MIL who is Christian and I do agree on}. My youngest from the time she was an infant has never liked to feel she is restrained, to the extream. She has basicly been EXTREAMLY clostraphobic since she was a tiny baby. And she was determined not to be enclosed {like of I had something to do and I tried to put her in a safe place til I could get it done. She would break out in a matter of a couple of minutesAll my children from the time they were born came in to this world with very different things that made them who they are. I learned the best way for us was for me to honor those differences so they could really trust me. And so they do. :)Tracy
coyote's corner <jana@...> wrote:When Brianna was around two and a half years old, she, along with my wonderful aged (late) aunt and I were at a local mall. All of a sudden, Brianna looked up and across the width of the mall (keep in mind, this is RI - the malls here aren't as large as some I've seen elsewhere!). Brianna nigh on climbed out of her umbrella stroller! She was crying, scared, almost panic stricken. She was looking at a little girl of around 8 or 10 years old. The little girl was staring at Brianna with such a look of hatred - pure hatred.
My aunt and I were trying to comfort Brianna. Brianna finally told us that when she was a little girl 'before' that girl had hurt her allot.
Brianna told me that before she was born, she was star 'up there but not these'.
I've always felt that Brianna was meant for me to raise. I've told her that her bio-mom had to have her because I couldn't. Have you read anything about reincarnation? If you'd like, we can talk of this off list. Although, reincarnation has much to do w/ my decision to unschool!!
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coyote's corner <jana@...> wrote:When Brianna was around two and a half years old, she, along with my wonderful aged (late) aunt and I were at a local mall. All of a sudden, Brianna looked up and across the width of the mall (keep in mind, this is RI - the malls here aren't as large as some I've seen elsewhere!). Brianna nigh on climbed out of her umbrella stroller! She was crying, scared, almost panic stricken. She was looking at a little girl of around 8 or 10 years old. The little girl was staring at Brianna with such a look of hatred - pure hatred.
My aunt and I were trying to comfort Brianna. Brianna finally told us that when she was a little girl 'before' that girl had hurt her allot.
Brianna told me that before she was born, she was star 'up there but not these'.
I've always felt that Brianna was meant for me to raise. I've told her that her bio-mom had to have her because I couldn't. Have you read anything about reincarnation? If you'd like, we can talk of this off list. Although, reincarnation has much to do w/ my decision to unschool!!
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