mother problems :-(
elfmama_2
I'm sorry about this, but I'm home alone with the kids, Jason is out
helping my stepdad, and I just got a hour long reeming from my mom
about how schools are different then I remember and how I'm damaging
my kids by keeping them from school and peer interaction and that
Jaiden obviously has aspeech problem and if I knew what was good for
him I'd put him in school so he could get free speech therapy. I told
her that we were commited to homeschooling (I haven't even tried to
explain unschooling to her) and that no we don't sit down and do
school every day. She told me that I was teaching my kids to be
unable to function in the real world if I don't force them to eat
when I say it's time and send them off to bed when I think it's time
and all the other crap that I'm sure you all have heard a million
times from people in your life. I knew it would happen sooner or
later, I just thought it would happen when Jaiden and Avery were old
enough to actually GO to school. I feel, hell I don't know how I
feel. I'm angry and hurt and saddend by it all. I am a little scared
of what she might do.
I'm sorry about all of this I just didn't know where eles to turn.
Thank you all for being here.
Rebecca
p.s on a happier note, I just started a local unschooling group, it's
still in the early stages but as of yesterday(day 2 of the group) we
were up to 25 members, I'm so excited to think that ther are
unschoolers in my area!
Here's the link in case anyone is interested. :-)
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/SanDiegoUnschoolers
helping my stepdad, and I just got a hour long reeming from my mom
about how schools are different then I remember and how I'm damaging
my kids by keeping them from school and peer interaction and that
Jaiden obviously has aspeech problem and if I knew what was good for
him I'd put him in school so he could get free speech therapy. I told
her that we were commited to homeschooling (I haven't even tried to
explain unschooling to her) and that no we don't sit down and do
school every day. She told me that I was teaching my kids to be
unable to function in the real world if I don't force them to eat
when I say it's time and send them off to bed when I think it's time
and all the other crap that I'm sure you all have heard a million
times from people in your life. I knew it would happen sooner or
later, I just thought it would happen when Jaiden and Avery were old
enough to actually GO to school. I feel, hell I don't know how I
feel. I'm angry and hurt and saddend by it all. I am a little scared
of what she might do.
I'm sorry about all of this I just didn't know where eles to turn.
Thank you all for being here.
Rebecca
p.s on a happier note, I just started a local unschooling group, it's
still in the early stages but as of yesterday(day 2 of the group) we
were up to 25 members, I'm so excited to think that ther are
unschoolers in my area!
Here's the link in case anyone is interested. :-)
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/SanDiegoUnschoolers
Mary
From: "elfmama_2" <elfmama@...>
<<I'm sorry about all of this I just didn't know where eles to turn.
Thank you all for being here.>>
Rebecca, sorry to hear you had such a crappy day. And it was all crap. I'm
sure you know that, I guess just coming from your mom makes it not so
passable. I've had some stuff not so harsh and from in laws, being that I
never listen to what they say anyway, can't say it really bothered. I would
say to just tell her these are your kids and you'll be the one to decide how
they are parented. Seems though as if you are worried about what she may do.
I guess you are also thinking she is capable of calling someone. How about
an education in homeschooling?? Would she read a book or even something you
print out for her? Maybe try gently to bring her over to the dark side!!!!
Only you know whether you can do this or not. Might help though.
On a last note, good for you for finding a support group of unschoolers. I
have yet to find one other family in my area that homeschool. Found out
yesterday that there is a group of unschoolers in Miami. That's just way too
far for me. I'm happy for you. I would love to find just one family locally.
Mary B
<<I'm sorry about all of this I just didn't know where eles to turn.
Thank you all for being here.>>
Rebecca, sorry to hear you had such a crappy day. And it was all crap. I'm
sure you know that, I guess just coming from your mom makes it not so
passable. I've had some stuff not so harsh and from in laws, being that I
never listen to what they say anyway, can't say it really bothered. I would
say to just tell her these are your kids and you'll be the one to decide how
they are parented. Seems though as if you are worried about what she may do.
I guess you are also thinking she is capable of calling someone. How about
an education in homeschooling?? Would she read a book or even something you
print out for her? Maybe try gently to bring her over to the dark side!!!!
Only you know whether you can do this or not. Might help though.
On a last note, good for you for finding a support group of unschoolers. I
have yet to find one other family in my area that homeschool. Found out
yesterday that there is a group of unschoolers in Miami. That's just way too
far for me. I'm happy for you. I would love to find just one family locally.
Mary B
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In a message dated 4/9/03 3:43:06 PM, elfmama@... writes:
<< I knew it would happen sooner or
later, I just thought it would happen when Jaiden and Avery were old
enough to actually GO to school >>
I laughed. I'm sorry, but this was really, truly funny.
I think you should do this:
Fein wide-eyed consideration of what she said. Say "I've been thinking about
what you said."
That will shut her up for a few months. You don't have to add "I think you
know diddly and you're mean," just "I've been thinking about it."
And then instead of saying "They will never set foot on school grounds," say
"We're going to try homeschooling for the first year and see how it goes, and
if it's not working out, we'll send her to school."
"If it's not working out" means different things to you and your mom, but it
doesn't matter. She won't be the judge of whether or not it's working out.
I seriously think you should put off any oaths of homeschooling in
perpetuity. Buy yourself flexibility and give her some hope.
Time will prove you right. You can start reporting to her the cool things
you find and see in and about your kids and other homeschoolers, gradually,
as time goes on.
Sandra
<< I knew it would happen sooner or
later, I just thought it would happen when Jaiden and Avery were old
enough to actually GO to school >>
I laughed. I'm sorry, but this was really, truly funny.
I think you should do this:
Fein wide-eyed consideration of what she said. Say "I've been thinking about
what you said."
That will shut her up for a few months. You don't have to add "I think you
know diddly and you're mean," just "I've been thinking about it."
And then instead of saying "They will never set foot on school grounds," say
"We're going to try homeschooling for the first year and see how it goes, and
if it's not working out, we'll send her to school."
"If it's not working out" means different things to you and your mom, but it
doesn't matter. She won't be the judge of whether or not it's working out.
I seriously think you should put off any oaths of homeschooling in
perpetuity. Buy yourself flexibility and give her some hope.
Time will prove you right. You can start reporting to her the cool things
you find and see in and about your kids and other homeschoolers, gradually,
as time goes on.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/9/03 3:52:38 PM, mummy124@... writes:
<< Seems though as if you are worried about what she may do.
I guess you are also thinking she is capable of calling someone. How about
an education in homeschooling?? Would she read a book or even something you
print out for her? >>
Good point, Mary B!
Yes. Give her books. The Homeschool Book of Answers, at least.
And tell her TOTALLY without any waffling that when she has finished that
book, you'd be glad to discuss it with her.
No more, and no less.
That means that UNTIL she has read that book, she needs to shush.
And UNLESS she reads that book, you don't have to defend yourself one smidgen.
Sandra
<< Seems though as if you are worried about what she may do.
I guess you are also thinking she is capable of calling someone. How about
an education in homeschooling?? Would she read a book or even something you
print out for her? >>
Good point, Mary B!
Yes. Give her books. The Homeschool Book of Answers, at least.
And tell her TOTALLY without any waffling that when she has finished that
book, you'd be glad to discuss it with her.
No more, and no less.
That means that UNTIL she has read that book, she needs to shush.
And UNLESS she reads that book, you don't have to defend yourself one smidgen.
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/9/2003 5:42:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
elfmama@... writes:
In my opinion, you simply stayed on the phone 59 minutes too long!
~Kelly <g>
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elfmama@... writes:
> I'm sorry about this, but I'm home alone with the kids, Jason is outRebecca,
> helping my stepdad, and I just got a hour long reeming from my mom
In my opinion, you simply stayed on the phone 59 minutes too long!
~Kelly <g>
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In a message dated 4/9/2003 5:52:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mummy124@... writes:
~Kelly
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mummy124@... writes:
> On a last note, good for you for finding a support group of unschoolers. IIf you start one, they will come out of the woodwork!
> have yet to find one other family in my area that homeschool. Found out
> yesterday that there is a group of unschoolers in Miami. That's just way
> too
> far for me. I'm happy for you. I would love to find just one family
> locally.
~Kelly
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Rebecca DeLong
Mary <mummy124@...> wrote:
<<<sorry to hear you had such a crappy day. And it was all crap. I'm sure you know that, I guess just coming from your mom makes it not so passable.>>>
Thank you, I do know that it's crap, but it IS my mom and we have always been really close. She's close to Jaiden and Avery, we live about 1.5 miles from her, we are in each others life, or had been until Jason and I decided to homeschool.
<<<I've had some stuff not so harsh and from in laws, being that I never listen to what they say anyway, can't say it really bothered.>>>
I do try not to listen, it's hard though, until recently we were more like best friends, and it's difficult to seperate from all that.
<<<I would say to just tell her these are your kids and you'll be the one to decide how they are parented.>>>
I did tell her that today, and at many other times, she dosen't listen really well.
<<<Seems though as if you are worried about what she may do. I guess you are also thinking she is capable of calling someone.>>>
Yesterday I would have said no way, she'd never do that. Today, I'm not sp sure, she was really harsh today, very adament about the fact I was doing harm to my kids.
<<<How about an education in homeschooling?? Would she read a book or even something you print out for her? Maybe try gently to bring her over to the dark side!!!!>>>
A few years ago, I think she would have been open to the idea. But 2 years ago she went to work for the school district, and in her mind they can do NO wrong.
<<<On a last note, good for you for finding a support group of unschoolers. I have yet to find one other family in my area that homeschool. Found out
yesterday that there is a group of unschoolers in Miami. That's just way too
far for me. I'm happy for you. I would love to find just one family locally.>>>
<G> I couldn't find one, so I just went ahead and started one :-). Most of the families seem to be more "relaxed" than unschooling, but it will be nice to not have to wade through circulium and school desks for sale posts just to get to anything interesting.
I am excited though Nancy Wooten is in San Diego and she joined, so I know I'm not alone!
Rebecca
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<<<sorry to hear you had such a crappy day. And it was all crap. I'm sure you know that, I guess just coming from your mom makes it not so passable.>>>
Thank you, I do know that it's crap, but it IS my mom and we have always been really close. She's close to Jaiden and Avery, we live about 1.5 miles from her, we are in each others life, or had been until Jason and I decided to homeschool.
<<<I've had some stuff not so harsh and from in laws, being that I never listen to what they say anyway, can't say it really bothered.>>>
I do try not to listen, it's hard though, until recently we were more like best friends, and it's difficult to seperate from all that.
<<<I would say to just tell her these are your kids and you'll be the one to decide how they are parented.>>>
I did tell her that today, and at many other times, she dosen't listen really well.
<<<Seems though as if you are worried about what she may do. I guess you are also thinking she is capable of calling someone.>>>
Yesterday I would have said no way, she'd never do that. Today, I'm not sp sure, she was really harsh today, very adament about the fact I was doing harm to my kids.
<<<How about an education in homeschooling?? Would she read a book or even something you print out for her? Maybe try gently to bring her over to the dark side!!!!>>>
A few years ago, I think she would have been open to the idea. But 2 years ago she went to work for the school district, and in her mind they can do NO wrong.
<<<On a last note, good for you for finding a support group of unschoolers. I have yet to find one other family in my area that homeschool. Found out
yesterday that there is a group of unschoolers in Miami. That's just way too
far for me. I'm happy for you. I would love to find just one family locally.>>>
<G> I couldn't find one, so I just went ahead and started one :-). Most of the families seem to be more "relaxed" than unschooling, but it will be nice to not have to wade through circulium and school desks for sale posts just to get to anything interesting.
I am excited though Nancy Wooten is in San Diego and she joined, so I know I'm not alone!
Rebecca
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SandraDodd@... wrote:
<<<Good point, Mary B!
Yes. Give her books. The Homeschool Book of Answers, at least.
And tell her TOTALLY without any waffling that when she has finished that
book, you'd be glad to discuss it with her.
No more, and no less.
That means that UNTIL she has read that book, she needs to shush.
And UNLESS she reads that book, you don't have to defend yourself one smidgen.>>>
You sound just like Jason <g>.
When I told him what happened today, he said pretty much the same thing, although not nearly as polite.
I just don't think she'd read the book, and she's very passive agressinve and where as she my keep her mouth shut to ME she'd find a way to keep it going.
But, it is worth a try.
Rebecca
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<<<Good point, Mary B!
Yes. Give her books. The Homeschool Book of Answers, at least.
And tell her TOTALLY without any waffling that when she has finished that
book, you'd be glad to discuss it with her.
No more, and no less.
That means that UNTIL she has read that book, she needs to shush.
And UNLESS she reads that book, you don't have to defend yourself one smidgen.>>>
You sound just like Jason <g>.
When I told him what happened today, he said pretty much the same thing, although not nearly as polite.
I just don't think she'd read the book, and she's very passive agressinve and where as she my keep her mouth shut to ME she'd find a way to keep it going.
But, it is worth a try.
Rebecca
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<<<In my opinion, you simply stayed on the phone 59 minutes too long!>>>
Yah, I did. It was just so unexpected, it came out of no where. We were having a perfectly pleasent conversation, and Bam I'm being told I'm ruining my kids. I was shocked.
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<<<In my opinion, you simply stayed on the phone 59 minutes too long!>>>
Yah, I did. It was just so unexpected, it came out of no where. We were having a perfectly pleasent conversation, and Bam I'm being told I'm ruining my kids. I was shocked.
Rebecca
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<<<If you start one, they will come out of the woodwork!>>>
I second that! <g>
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I second that! <g>
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From: <kbcdlovejo@...>
<<If you start one, they will come out of the woodwork!>>
Well they certainly didn't come out of Florida woodwork!!!! I have tried for
about 4 years now. I even just tried getting homeschoolers together in my
town and nothing. My homeschoolers locally number the same 3 families after
about 2 times getting together. Myself included. We've become friends but
they are still school at homers. There are tons of homeschoolers here, and
quite a few in my town, just none that are interested in getting together.
Not even once a month for a park day. I'm starting to think it's me.
I would really like to connect with someone personally here that unschools.
Mary B
<<If you start one, they will come out of the woodwork!>>
Well they certainly didn't come out of Florida woodwork!!!! I have tried for
about 4 years now. I even just tried getting homeschoolers together in my
town and nothing. My homeschoolers locally number the same 3 families after
about 2 times getting together. Myself included. We've become friends but
they are still school at homers. There are tons of homeschoolers here, and
quite a few in my town, just none that are interested in getting together.
Not even once a month for a park day. I'm starting to think it's me.
I would really like to connect with someone personally here that unschools.
Mary B
Tia Leschke
> <<<Seems though as if you are worried about what she may do. I guess youare also thinking she is capable of calling someone.>>>
>sure, she was really harsh today, very adament about the fact I was doing
> Yesterday I would have said no way, she'd never do that. Today, I'm not sp
harm to my kids.
Maybe if you still want to talk to her about it, you could ask her to point
out the *specific* ways that they are being harmed. Ask her to really look
at the kids and tell you how they are different from any other kids their
age.
But I'd actually be more inclined to just answer *every* time she brings it
up something like, "I'm the parent now, and I'll raise my children.
Homeschooling is legal." Then if she wants to talk more about it, "Oops,
there's someone at the door. Bye."
And as for calling someone, it sounds like they aren't even school aged, so
who in the world would she call?
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
Bill and Diane
This is what I'm doing with my folks. With all the problems we're having
right now, my mom said yesterday, "I think you should at least
*consider* putting Brian in Kindergarten in the fall, at least for the
free childcare."
Thanks Mom, I'll think about it. Meaning I'll think about any and every
way on God's green earth to avoid having to do that, but I may be forced
by circumstances to consider the unthinkable. Thanks for your statement
so I'll know where to (and not to) go for support.
:-) Diane
right now, my mom said yesterday, "I think you should at least
*consider* putting Brian in Kindergarten in the fall, at least for the
free childcare."
Thanks Mom, I'll think about it. Meaning I'll think about any and every
way on God's green earth to avoid having to do that, but I may be forced
by circumstances to consider the unthinkable. Thanks for your statement
so I'll know where to (and not to) go for support.
:-) Diane
>And then instead of saying "They will never set foot on school grounds," say
>"We're going to try homeschooling for the first year and see how it goes, and
>if it's not working out, we'll send her to school."
>
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In a message dated 4/9/03 5:42:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
elfmama@... writes:
only interacting with people of the same age is "real life?" Or that we stay
home and hibernate all day every day. Sheeesh.
son has a slight speech problem and she took him to the school system for
speech therapy. She said it was terrible. The workers really didn't care
and they put her son in with a group of other students with totally different
speech problems so her son was getting no help. She ended up taking him out
and fighting the insurance battle to get him private lessons through the
local hospital speech therapy program.
Not sure I can offer any words of encouragement. I don't have this problem.
Both my parents have passed away and my MIL passed away before I even met my
DH.
But you can come vent her any time and congrats on starting the group.
Pam G.
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elfmama@... writes:
> how I'm damagingYou know the obvious answer to that one. Why is it that people think that
> my kids by keeping them from school and peer interaction
only interacting with people of the same age is "real life?" Or that we stay
home and hibernate all day every day. Sheeesh.
>I know a mother show is homeshcooling (although very school at home). Her
> Jaiden obviously has aspeech problem and if I knew what was good for
> him I'd put him in school so he could get free speech therapy.
son has a slight speech problem and she took him to the school system for
speech therapy. She said it was terrible. The workers really didn't care
and they put her son in with a group of other students with totally different
speech problems so her son was getting no help. She ended up taking him out
and fighting the insurance battle to get him private lessons through the
local hospital speech therapy program.
Not sure I can offer any words of encouragement. I don't have this problem.
Both my parents have passed away and my MIL passed away before I even met my
DH.
But you can come vent her any time and congrats on starting the group.
Pam G.
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In a message dated 4/9/03 8:54:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, leschke@...
writes:
Not to you or to your children. My Mom and I did that about a couple of
topics when I was younger and knew everything. Instead of getting into
heated debates we would just not talk about that topic. Homeschooling is
legal and you will raise your children the way you think is best. She isn't
going to change your mind and you may not be able to change hers so just
avoid the topic.
That might work. You still have a Mom and the children still have a
grandmother.
Pam G.
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writes:
> Maybe if you still want to talk to her about it, you could ask her to pointOr just agree to disagree and that no one will bring up the subject any more.
> out the *specific* ways that they are being harmed. Ask her to really look
> at the kids and tell you how they are different from any other kids their
> age.
>
> But I'd actually be more inclined to just answer *every* time she brings it
> up something like, "I'm the parent now, and I'll raise my children.
> Homeschooling is legal." Then if she wants to talk more about it, "Oops,
> there's someone at the door. Bye."
>
>
Not to you or to your children. My Mom and I did that about a couple of
topics when I was younger and knew everything. Instead of getting into
heated debates we would just not talk about that topic. Homeschooling is
legal and you will raise your children the way you think is best. She isn't
going to change your mind and you may not be able to change hers so just
avoid the topic.
That might work. You still have a Mom and the children still have a
grandmother.
Pam G.
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In a message dated 4/10/03 12:12:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:
put school at homers but that sounded too "Simpson" like, LOL) they have
things to do and places to be (school work and home). LOL. It was nice to
go to a park with Teresa. We stayed as long as we wanted and had fun and
talked, and not about school work or grades or curriculum. LOL
Pam G.
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ecsamhill@... writes:
> Because of daylight savings, our park day this week didn't break upThat is so wonderful. At our group, mostly school at home types (started to
> until 7:20pm. (It started before 2.)
>
> The kids were so into what they were doing and the mom's didn't want to
> curtail anyone's pleasure until the pull of dinner was irresistible.
>
>
put school at homers but that sounded too "Simpson" like, LOL) they have
things to do and places to be (school work and home). LOL. It was nice to
go to a park with Teresa. We stayed as long as we wanted and had fun and
talked, and not about school work or grades or curriculum. LOL
Pam G.
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In a message dated 4/10/03 9:25:27 AM, genant2@... writes:
<< > how I'm damaging
only interacting with people of the same age is "real life?" Or that we stay
home and hibernate all day every day. Sheeesh. >>
Don't forget there are families who ARE homeschooling to keep their kids from
school and peer interaction.
Sandra
<< > how I'm damaging
> my kids by keeping them from school and peer interaction<<You know the obvious answer to that one. Why is it that people think that
only interacting with people of the same age is "real life?" Or that we stay
home and hibernate all day every day. Sheeesh. >>
Don't forget there are families who ARE homeschooling to keep their kids from
school and peer interaction.
Sandra
Betsy
**You know the obvious answer to that one. Why is it that people think
that only interacting with people of the same age is "real life?" Or
that we stay home and hibernate all day every day. Sheeesh.
**
Because of daylight savings, our park day this week didn't break up
until 7:20pm. (It started before 2.)
The kids were so into what they were doing and the mom's didn't want to
curtail anyone's pleasure until the pull of dinner was irresistible.
Betsy
that only interacting with people of the same age is "real life?" Or
that we stay home and hibernate all day every day. Sheeesh.
**
Because of daylight savings, our park day this week didn't break up
until 7:20pm. (It started before 2.)
The kids were so into what they were doing and the mom's didn't want to
curtail anyone's pleasure until the pull of dinner was irresistible.
Betsy
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In a message dated 4/10/03 1:26:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
interaction with the public altogether. That was my point. Not necessarily
just peer interaction.
Pam G.
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Don't forget there are families who ARE homeschooling to keep their kidsEven if that is the reason someone would homeschool you can't avoid
> from
> school and peer interaction.
>
>
interaction with the public altogether. That was my point. Not necessarily
just peer interaction.
Pam G.
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Thursday, April 10, 2003, at 10:14 AM, Betsy wrote:
at the park - my husband came after work. The kids played on the
playground under the stars. It was absolutely LOVELY!!!!
We usually do that every Wednesday all summer long - but this warm
weather plus daylight savings time were a special spring treat!!
-pam
> Because of daylight savings, our park day this week didn't break upOur park day yesterday started at noon and ended at 10 pm. We barbequed
> until 7:20pm. (It started before 2.)
>
> The kids were so into what they were doing and the mom's didn't want to
> curtail anyone's pleasure until the pull of dinner was irresistible.
at the park - my husband came after work. The kids played on the
playground under the stars. It was absolutely LOVELY!!!!
We usually do that every Wednesday all summer long - but this warm
weather plus daylight savings time were a special spring treat!!
-pam
Rebecca DeLong
Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
<<<Maybe if you still want to talk to her about it, you could ask her to point
out the *specific* ways that they are being harmed. Ask her to really look
at the kids and tell you how they are different from any other kids their
age.>>>
I think I'll try this.
<<<And as for calling someone, it sounds like they aren't even school aged, so
who in the world would she call?>>>
As I understand it she's been talking to other teachers at the school she works at and they've told her that it's illegle and that if she's concerned she should get it on record with the state ASAP. (got all this from my brother).
Rebecca
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<<<Maybe if you still want to talk to her about it, you could ask her to point
out the *specific* ways that they are being harmed. Ask her to really look
at the kids and tell you how they are different from any other kids their
age.>>>
I think I'll try this.
<<<And as for calling someone, it sounds like they aren't even school aged, so
who in the world would she call?>>>
As I understand it she's been talking to other teachers at the school she works at and they've told her that it's illegle and that if she's concerned she should get it on record with the state ASAP. (got all this from my brother).
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genant2@... wrote:
<<<You know the obvious answer to that one. Why is it that people think that
only interacting with people of the same age is "real life?" Or that we stay
home and hibernate all day every day. Sheeesh.>>>
I know the anwser, you know the anwser, she doesn't want to hear the anwser.
Today I told her to look up the deffintion and then get back to me, she hung up in a huff. She hasn't called me back yet, hmmm, mabey she can't find a dictionary. :-)
<<<I know a mother who is homeshcooling (although very school at home). Her
son has a slight speech problem and she took him to the school system for
speech therapy. She said it was terrible. The workers really didn't care
and they put her son in with a group of other students with totally different
speech problems so her son was getting no help. She ended up taking him out
and fighting the insurance battle to get him private lessons through the
local hospital speech therapy program.>>>
I have a friend with the same problem, but she can't get away from the school system.
<<<But you can come vent her any time and congrats on starting the group.>>>
I may just do that, and thanks, so far it going good.
Rebecca
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<<<You know the obvious answer to that one. Why is it that people think that
only interacting with people of the same age is "real life?" Or that we stay
home and hibernate all day every day. Sheeesh.>>>
I know the anwser, you know the anwser, she doesn't want to hear the anwser.
Today I told her to look up the deffintion and then get back to me, she hung up in a huff. She hasn't called me back yet, hmmm, mabey she can't find a dictionary. :-)
<<<I know a mother who is homeshcooling (although very school at home). Her
son has a slight speech problem and she took him to the school system for
speech therapy. She said it was terrible. The workers really didn't care
and they put her son in with a group of other students with totally different
speech problems so her son was getting no help. She ended up taking him out
and fighting the insurance battle to get him private lessons through the
local hospital speech therapy program.>>>
I have a friend with the same problem, but she can't get away from the school system.
<<<But you can come vent her any time and congrats on starting the group.>>>
I may just do that, and thanks, so far it going good.
Rebecca
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In a message dated 4/10/03 7:28:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
elfmama@... writes:
if we knew that, someone could help you out understanding the requirements.
Pam G.
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elfmama@... writes:
> As I understand it she's been talking to other teachers at the school sheRebecca, what state do you live in? Can't remember if you specified. Maybe
> works at and they've told her that it's illegle and that if she's concerned
> she should get it on record with the state ASAP. (got all this from my
> brother).
>
if we knew that, someone could help you out understanding the requirements.
Pam G.
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Rebecca DeLong
genant2@... wrote:
<<<Or just agree to disagree and that no one will bring up the subject any more.
Not to you or to your children. My Mom and I did that about a couple of
topics when I was younger and knew everything. Instead of getting into
heated debates we would just not talk about that topic. Homeschooling is
legal and you will raise your children the way you think is best. She isn't
going to change your mind and you may not be able to change hers so just
avoid the topic.
That might work. You still have a Mom and the children still have a
grandmother.>>>
This is what I've done with my dad and stepmom, but they live in Mich. so when they see the kids they can see the things they are learning and are willing to let it go. My mom has decided that if Jaiden's not reading from one week to the next there's a problem.
Jason thinks we should only see her 3-4 times a year like we do my dad, then mabey she'd lighten up. I'ts a thought.
Rebecca
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<<<Or just agree to disagree and that no one will bring up the subject any more.
Not to you or to your children. My Mom and I did that about a couple of
topics when I was younger and knew everything. Instead of getting into
heated debates we would just not talk about that topic. Homeschooling is
legal and you will raise your children the way you think is best. She isn't
going to change your mind and you may not be able to change hers so just
avoid the topic.
That might work. You still have a Mom and the children still have a
grandmother.>>>
This is what I've done with my dad and stepmom, but they live in Mich. so when they see the kids they can see the things they are learning and are willing to let it go. My mom has decided that if Jaiden's not reading from one week to the next there's a problem.
Jason thinks we should only see her 3-4 times a year like we do my dad, then mabey she'd lighten up. I'ts a thought.
Rebecca
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genant2@... wrote:
<<<Rebecca, what state do you live in? Can't remember if you specified. Maybe
if we knew that, someone could help you out understanding the requirements.>>>
I live in CA. I know that it is legal to homeschool, under certain guidlines. I belive that there has been some problems as of late, but I figured that since Jaiden doesn't need to be "enrolled" until he's 6 I had time and I hadn't worried about it.
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<<<Rebecca, what state do you live in? Can't remember if you specified. Maybe
if we knew that, someone could help you out understanding the requirements.>>>
I live in CA. I know that it is legal to homeschool, under certain guidlines. I belive that there has been some problems as of late, but I figured that since Jaiden doesn't need to be "enrolled" until he's 6 I had time and I hadn't worried about it.
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On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 02:03 PM, Rebecca DeLong wrote:
You should sign up for the HSC email list, though, so that you keep
up-to-speed on CA homeschooling stuff.
Go to the website at www.HSC.org and/or sign up for the list at
[email protected].
pam
> <<<Rebecca, what state do you live in? Can't remember if youNo problems - just talk talk talk.
> specified. Maybe
> if we knew that, someone could help you out understanding the
> requirements.>>>
>
> I live in CA. I know that it is legal to homeschool, under certain
> guidlines. I belive that there has been some problems as of late, but
> I figured that since Jaiden doesn't need to be "enrolled" until he's 6
> I had time and I hadn't worried about it.
You should sign up for the HSC email list, though, so that you keep
up-to-speed on CA homeschooling stuff.
Go to the website at www.HSC.org and/or sign up for the list at
[email protected].
pam
Tia Leschke
>works at and they've told her that it's illegle and that if she's concerned
> As I understand it she's been talking to other teachers at the school she
she should get it on record with the state ASAP. (got all this from my
brother).
Well, you could go online and find the law for your state and show it to
her. Or you could suggest that she brush up her research skills by finding
where in your state's law it says that homeschooling is illegal. (She won't
find it. Homeschooling is legal in every state.)
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
Rebecca DeLong
Pamela Sorooshian <pamsoroosh@...> wrote:
<<<You should sign up for the HSC email list, though, so that you keep
up-to-speed on CA homeschooling stuff.
Go to the website at www.HSC.org and/or sign up for the list at
[email protected].>>>
Thanks, I just joined :-)
Rebecca
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up-to-speed on CA homeschooling stuff.
Go to the website at www.HSC.org and/or sign up for the list at
[email protected].>>>
Thanks, I just joined :-)
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Here's a link that will have your state law and other links for your state, if you haven't got it already:http://www.gomilpitas.com/homeschooling/directory/Legalities.htm Tracy
Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
she should get it on record with the state ASAP. (got all this from my
brother).
Well, you could go online and find the law for your state and show it to
her. Or you could suggest that she brush up her research skills by finding
where in your state's law it says that homeschooling is illegal. (She won't
find it. Homeschooling is legal in every state.)
Tia
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saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
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Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
>works at and they've told her that it's illegle and that if she's concerned
> As I understand it she's been talking to other teachers at the school she
she should get it on record with the state ASAP. (got all this from my
brother).
Well, you could go online and find the law for your state and show it to
her. Or you could suggest that she brush up her research skills by finding
where in your state's law it says that homeschooling is illegal. (She won't
find it. Homeschooling is legal in every state.)
Tia
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saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
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Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
<<<Well, you could go online and find the law for your state and show it to
her. Or you could suggest that she brush up her research skills by finding
where in your state's law it says that homeschooling is illegal. (She won't
find it. Homeschooling is legal in every state.)>>>
Well, as of yesterday we have agreed to disagree. I'm not sure how long it'll last, but for now it's okay. I joined a state homeschooling list/group last night and I am printing up copies of the law to give her.
Rebecca
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<<<Well, you could go online and find the law for your state and show it to
her. Or you could suggest that she brush up her research skills by finding
where in your state's law it says that homeschooling is illegal. (She won't
find it. Homeschooling is legal in every state.)>>>
Well, as of yesterday we have agreed to disagree. I'm not sure how long it'll last, but for now it's okay. I joined a state homeschooling list/group last night and I am printing up copies of the law to give her.
Rebecca
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