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In a message dated 4/7/03 12:46:55 AM, kgiuffre@... writes:

<< Thanks for the help dispite the sarcasm. I don't get to the bottom of the

emails as I find them petty and self serving. And I must add truely

disappointing. K >>

HUH!

At least we were writing about unschooling.
This and the first one were about Karen/kgiuffre and how disappointed she is
and how she, Karen/kgiuffre needs help to get off the list.

That's a TOTAL waste of time. So I'm adding to it, but doing it in the name
of the sadly disappointed Karen/kgiuffre.

So I've needed a place for a rant and I shall append it here.

For one thing, writing that every e-mail has instructions for leaving the
list isn't sarcasm.

If I'm to be accused of sarcasm, I'd much prefer it to be by someone who
knows what sarcasm is.

THIS is not sarcasm:

> At the bottom of every single e-mail there are instructions for getting

off the list, which means that will appear at the bottom of this e-mail, and

was at the bottom of the e-mail saying "help me get off the list.">>

And now my little complaint, starting with a compliment.

There are people here whose kind and patient generosity shines with the
sweetest light. People will ask us whether there really ARE lists for
ecelctic homeschooling, or where to find more information on unschooling, or
what we mean by this thing, or that thing, or who some author or writer is,
or something.

And someone will patiently answer.

And here is where the answers come from:

google.com
or
yahoogroups

Someone will go to those webpages and open them, type in the search word,
look through the first list offered, find a good one, cut and paste it or
find a URL, after checking to see if that's a good example, and then come
back to the message board or e-mail list and offer it sweetly to the person
who asked.

I'll do it if the thing is interesting to me, or was hard to find.

But if it's something the person could have easily found herself, I start to
get edgy.

Asking people who know is a reasonable way to get information, but if
someone's being an unschooling mom, I think she should start moving toward
being a model of resourcefulness for her children. At least to the point of
using search functions at yahoogroups or a search engine.

At least to the point of looking at the bottom of an e-mail to see if it
tells how to get off the list, without blaming the people on the list for
boring her too much for her to be willing to get her own information.

I do remember being new to the internet and it being a pretty weird and
inefficient place. But nowadays it's very efficient.

It's okay to ask a librarian where a book is instead of looking it up, I
suppose, and that's probably basically what's going on. But the librarian
applied for that job and is being paid to do it. To just go in and ask the
other patrons to find your books seems a little breezy to me.

And if someone's paying by the minute to be online, they can't goof around
with google for free. I understand that, and am willing to help somone if
they're new or don't have a free dial-up or whatever.

Anyone who has never used www.google.com should go there and just goof with
it. Throw your own name in. Your dog's name. The name of the
funniest-sounding city you ever heard of. Your favorite cartoon. A
president.

Kings of France. There is a really cool list of those here:
http://www.scotlandroyalty.org/france.html

And there's music. That song is commonly called (these days) "Ding Dong
Merrily on High" because someone put Christmas words to it, but it was a
dance piece before that, called "Official Bransle"---very nice tune, and
that's a great midi of it, too!

I'll start a new thread for people to show us the interesting webpages
they've come across in their wanderings.

Sandra