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22 Mar 2003, at 5:06pm

Elizabeth Roberts

22 Mar 2003, at 6:44pm

We monitor what the kids watch, and the only reason
they've watched quite so much lately has been heavy
snow and supercold weather keeping them in the
house...

Our friends, who are Pentecostal, don't have a TV.
It's about to the point where I dread one of their
daughters coming over because all she wants to do is
watch TV, which her mother is ok with as long as it's
Christian and/or educational or approved in advance.

But this child about ONLY wants to watch TV because
it's not allowed in her everyday life. She'll watch
the weather channel with Paul just to be watching!!

E

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22 Mar 2003, at 6:53pm

In a message dated 3/22/03 11:45:48 PM, ladyeliza_r@... writes:

<< Our friends, who are Pentecostal, don't have a TV.
It's about to the point where I dread one of their
daughters coming over because all she wants to do is
watch TV, >><<But this child about ONLY wants to watch TV because
it's not allowed in her everyday life. >>

There's a BIG lesson in that!!! BTW, it's the exact same lesson as a ban on
anything. Lara......

Shyrley

22 Mar 2003, at 7:29pm

Elizabeth Roberts wrote:

> We monitor what the kids watch, and the only reason
> they've watched quite so much lately has been heavy
> snow and supercold weather keeping them in the
> house...
>

Out of interest...why do you monitor what your kids watch/

Shyrley

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nellebelle

22 Mar 2003, at 7:42pm

----- snip----- > She'll watch

> the weather channel with Paul just to be watching!!>>>>>>>>>>

This reminds me of one of the parent testimonials in Plug-In Drug. A family
was in a foreign country and the parent was appalled that his young son
wanted to watch the TV even though he didn't understand the language. The
father (and the book's author) took this to mean that TV is so addictive
that people will watch it even if they don't understand what they are
viewing.

Obviously, they didn't stop to think that this little boy may have been
fascinated by hearing a foreign language or some other aspect of the show.

Mary Ellen

Elizabeth Roberts

22 Mar 2003, at 7:49pm

because I don't believe the kids should be allowed to
just watch anything and everything...they don't yet
have an ability to understand various content that
they might expose theirself to. We talk about quite a
bit, but there are lines drawn in areas that go
against our beliefs as Christians.

E

--- Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...> wrote:

>
>
> Elizabeth Roberts wrote:
>
> > We monitor what the kids watch, and the only
> reason
> > they've watched quite so much lately has been
> heavy
> > snow and supercold weather keeping them in the
> > house...
> >
>
> Out of interest...why do you monitor what your kids
> watch/
>
> Shyrley
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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22 Mar 2003, at 7:55pm

also there are age-related concerns...
E
--- Elizabeth Roberts <ladyeliza_r@...> wrote:

> because I don't believe the kids should be allowed
> to
> just watch anything and everything...they don't yet
> have an ability to understand various content that
> they might expose theirself to. We talk about quite
> a
> bit, but there are lines drawn in areas that go
> against our beliefs as Christians.
>
> E
>
> --- Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Elizabeth Roberts wrote:
> >
> > > We monitor what the kids watch, and the only
> > reason
> > > they've watched quite so much lately has been
> > heavy
> > > snow and supercold weather keeping them in the
> > > house...
> > >
> >
> > Out of interest...why do you monitor what your
> kids
> > watch/
> >
> > Shyrley
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
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22 Mar 2003, at 8:37pm

In a message dated 3/22/2003 5:45:48 PM Central Standard Time,
ladyeliza_r@... writes:

> We monitor what the kids watch

Our kids monitor what they watch. They have their own interests, everything
else is The News, which they don't watch. Unless it's Now with Bill Moyers
and they are snuggling in bed with me. Puts them to sleep pretty quickly.

Elizabeth

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Elizabeth Roberts

22 Mar 2003, at 8:47pm

and your kids are how old if you don't mind me asking?
I have a 7 y/o, 3 y/o, 18months and Baby is due in
August..

E

--- ejcrewe@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/22/2003 5:45:48 PM Central
> Standard Time,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
>
> > We monitor what the kids watch
>
> Our kids monitor what they watch. They have their
> own interests, everything
> else is The News, which they don't watch. Unless
> it's Now with Bill Moyers
> and they are snuggling in bed with me. Puts them to
> sleep pretty quickly.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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22 Mar 2003, at 9:31pm

In a message dated 3/22/03 4:46:05 PM, ladyeliza_r@... writes:

<< But this child about ONLY wants to watch TV because
it's not allowed in her everyday life. She'll watch
the weather channel with Paul just to be watching!! >>

The same will happen with any children who are limited, don't you think?

Sandra

Elizabeth Roberts

22 Mar 2003, at 9:58pm

Completely limited is one thing, allowed with
restrictions such as we give are another.

E

--- SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 3/22/03 4:46:05 PM,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
> << But this child about ONLY wants to watch TV
> because
> it's not allowed in her everyday life. She'll watch
> the weather channel with Paul just to be watching!!
> >>
>
> The same will happen with any children who are
> limited, don't you think?
>
> Sandra
>

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22 Mar 2003, at 10:26pm

From: Elizabeth Roberts
<<We monitor what the kids watch, and the only reason
they've watched quite so much lately has been heavy
snow and supercold weather keeping them in the
house...

Our friends, who are Pentecostal, don't have a TV.
It's about to the point where I dread one of their
daughters coming over because all she wants to do is
watch TV, which her mother is ok with as long as it's
Christian and/or educational or approved in advance.

But this child about ONLY wants to watch TV because
it's not allowed in her everyday life. She'll watch
the weather channel with Paul just to be watching!!>>

The poor little girl of your friend is watching because she is restricted. She's dying to know what's going on with what she can't possibly have at home. You pretty much said that yourself. Isn't it possible that your children will also want to know why they can't see certain programs and then become that same little girl when they have the chance? There's an awful lot of allure to something you're not allowed to have.

Mary B

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Dawn Ackroyd

22 Mar 2003, at 10:50pm

YES! My SIL will not let her children have any sugar. If they have a
muffin that has chocolate chips in it that is a big deal in their life.
When they are not with their mother they pig out on any sugary junk they
can get. It's really sad, if you ask me.

Dawn

In a message dated 3/22/03 4:46:05 PM, ladyeliza_r@... writes:

<< But this child about ONLY wants to watch TV because
it's not allowed in her everyday life. She'll watch
the weather channel with Paul just to be watching!! >>

The same will happen with any children who are limited, don't you think?

Sandra

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22 Mar 2003, at 11:08pm

From: Elizabeth Roberts
<<Completely limited is one thing, allowed with
restrictions such as we give are another.>>

Either way you look at it, it's restricting. Unschooling isn't restricting.

Mary B

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Elizabeth Roberts

22 Mar 2003, at 11:18pm

There isn't much that they aren't allowed, and they
are told the reasons why. Some things have been
allowed and discontinued because it was negatively
affecting their behavior (like public school was
LOL!).

Will they seek out things that are "forbidden" yes,
and I expect that, it has happened and they are
reminded why something is not allowed at this point;
and not just in their television viewing habits but
other things; but I intend to give them an
understanding of the possible ramifications as well as
benefits of such actions be it watching a show that
may give them nightmares or wanting to smoke a
cigarette or have an alcoholic drink before they do
so.

Would I give my 7 y/o a beer? No. Might I let my teen
get drunk in the safety of our home when "all my
friends" are out partying and it seems the cool thing
to do? Quite possibly....but I'm getting off topic.

My problem with the neighbor's child coming over and
ONLY wanting to watch our TV, is that she will ignore
her friend, be disrespectful and whiny to me...and she
will be disrespectful to her mother when her mother
arrives..for example what happened the other day...she
refused to do as she was told and put on her shoes and
jacket because it was time to leave, throwing a fit to
stay and watch tv. I turned it off, same as I would
(and do) with my own children when their watching
something intereferes with their behavior...Nor do I
like facilitating a child's deception and/or disregard
of their parents wishes. When her mother asks me to
not let her watch anything at all even previously
agreed upon shows, I won't. It has caused some small
problems among the child and my daughter and for my
daughter and me as well.

Elizabeth

--- Mary <mummy124@...> wrote:

> From: Elizabeth Roberts
> <<We monitor what the kids watch, and the only
> reason
> they've watched quite so much lately has been
> heavy
> snow and supercold weather keeping them in the
> house...
>
> Our friends, who are Pentecostal, don't have a TV.
> It's about to the point where I dread one of their
> daughters coming over because all she wants to do
> is
> watch TV, which her mother is ok with as long as
> it's
> Christian and/or educational or approved in
> advance.
>
> But this child about ONLY wants to watch TV
> because
> it's not allowed in her everyday life. She'll
> watch
> the weather channel with Paul just to be
> watching!!>>
>
>
> The poor little girl of your friend is watching
> because she is restricted. She's dying to know
> what's going on with what she can't possibly have at
> home. You pretty much said that yourself. Isn't it
> possible that your children will also want to know
> why they can't see certain programs and then become
> that same little girl when they have the chance?
> There's an awful lot of allure to something you're
> not allowed to have.
>
> Mary B
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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22 Mar 2003, at 11:46pm

In a message dated 3/22/03 7:59:31 PM, ladyeliza_r@... writes:

<< Completely limited is one thing, allowed with
restrictions such as we give are another. >>

"Completely limited" meaning restricted?
Not allowed?

"Allowed with restrictions" meaning....
somewhat limited?

You danced with words. And when people's words are dancing, their thoughts
are probably kinda dancing as well.

Sandra

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23 Mar 2003, at 12:12am

In a message dated 3/22/03 9:18:57 PM, ladyeliza_r@... writes:

<< Would I give my 7 y/o a beer? No. Might I let my teen
get drunk in the safety of our home when "all my
friends" are out partying and it seems the cool thing
to do? >>

We've never told a kid they couldn't taste alcohol. We've offered it
directly. "You want a taste?" No.

We very rarely drink, and few of our friends drink.

My kids are 16, 14 and 11. Kirby and Marty are often out with friends. At
the moment they're both gone, both with older people with cars. None of
their friends drink. Even those who are 23, 25. These boys COULD and choose
not to. They have one friend who smokes cigarettes and they show him no
mercy. They tell him not to do it so close to them, that they don't want to
smell like that.

<<Nor do I like facilitating a child's deception and/or disregard
of their parents wishes. >>

The best thing about our life with our kids is they are never deceptive in
the least.
We wish for them to be considerate and responsible and they are.
We're considerate toward them.

I would never turn a TV program off that someone was watching.
Certainly not an adult, and I treat my children with as much respect as I
treat adults.

<<Will they seek out things that are "forbidden" yes,
and I expect that, it has happened>>

My kids will not and have not, because instead of having lists of forbidden
things, we live by principles of respect and kindness.

But then again I think South Park is really funny, we love The Simpsons, and
Kirby is the coordinator of the Yu-Gi-Oh tournament at the gaming shop where
he works, and I'm certain it's not demonic or satanic or whatever you said it
was. (Ah. "Promotes sorcery." Kirby has no ensorcelling abilities
whatsoever, and he's been involved with Magic, D&D, Pokemona nd Yu-Gi-Oh all.
He was a big Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles fan, though, and because of that
he's been at the same karate dojo for over seven years now.)

-=-Take Animaniacs...popular children's cartoon...the
characters are rude to each other, obnoxious,
foul-mouthed (they may not swear but that's beside the
point); the Simpsons, SouthPark and others are
marketed to kids when the content is adult...-=-

South Park is not marketted to kids. It's marketted to adults. Too many
adults have an anti-cartoon prejudice, thinking cartoons are just for kids.
Animaniacs is popular in perpetuity, being not produced anymore. The
singalong videos are wonderful. My sister's kids memorized the nations of
the world song. My kids never quite mastered it, though they tried.
Musically, some of that stuff was as sophisticated as any complicated
Broadway show tune.

<<Yes there are many great cartoons for kids,
DragonTales, Blue's Clues, Dora The Explorer; but I
also find alot of political correctness and whatnot
being taught that I object to. >>

It's possible that this list won't be the unschooling you're looking for.

There's a link to a Christian unschooling site here:

http://sandradodd.com/unschoolingotherwise

Sandra

sablehs

23 Mar 2003, at 12:27am

--- SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In> Animaniacs is popular in perpetuity, being not produced

anymore.

> The
> singalong videos are wonderful. My sister's kids memorized the
> nations of
> the world song. My kids never quite mastered it, though they
> tried.
> Musically, some of that stuff was as sophisticated as any
> complicated
> Broadway show tune.
>

Husband's favorite is

YAKKO'S UNIVERSE
Music and lyrics by Randy Rogel.

Yakko: Everybody lives on a street in a city
Or a village or a town for what it's worth.
And they're all inside a country which is part of a continent
That sits upon a planet known as Earth.
And the Earth is a ball full of oceans and some mountains
Which is out there spinning silently in space.
And living on that Earth are the plants and the animals
And also the entire human race.

It's a great big universe
And we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks
About the size of Mickey Rooney.
It's big and black and inky
And we are small and dinky
It's a big universe and we're not.

And we're part of a vast interplanetary system
Stretching seven hundred billion miles long.
With nine planets and a sun; we think the Earth's the only
one
That has life on it, although we could be wrong.
Across the interstellar voids are a billion asteroids
Including meteors and Halley's Comet too.
And there's over fifty moons floating out there like balloons
In a panoramic trillion-mile view.

And still it's all a speck amid a hundred billion stars
In a galaxy we call the Milky Way.
It's sixty thousand trillion miles from one end to the other
And still that's just a fraction of the way.
'Cause there's a hundred billion galaxies that stretch across
the sky
Filled with constellations, planets, moons and stars.
And still the universe extends to a place that never ends
Which is maybe just inside a little jar!

YW+D : It's a great big universe
And we're all really puny
We're just tiny little specks
About the size of Mickey Rooney.
* Though we don't know how it got here
* We're an important part here
* It's a big universe and it's ours!

* - In the original script, these lines were:

YW+D : You might think that you're essential
Try inconsequential
It's a small world after all!

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23 Mar 2003, at 12:35am

Completely limited..one end of the spectrum..not
allowed under any circumstance.

Allowed with restrictions...middle of the road...this
is allowed because it is appropriate, this is not
because it is not appropriate.

The other end of that spectrum would obviously be
totally unlimited..

Pretty clear cut to me. There's a difference in each
of them is what I was saying, and that we disagree
with both ends of the spectrum and fall in the middle.

E

--- SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 3/22/03 7:59:31 PM,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
> << Completely limited is one thing, allowed with
> restrictions such as we give are another. >>
>
> "Completely limited" meaning restricted?
> Not allowed?
>
> "Allowed with restrictions" meaning....
> somewhat limited?
>
> You danced with words. And when people's words are
> dancing, their thoughts
> are probably kinda dancing as well.
>
> Sandra
>

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23 Mar 2003, at 1:01am

It's possible that this list won't be the unschooling
you're looking for.

There's a link to a Christian unschooling site here:

http://sandradodd.com/unschoolingotherwise

Could be. Thanks.

E

--- SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 3/22/03 9:18:57 PM,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
> << Would I give my 7 y/o a beer? No. Might I let my
> teen
> get drunk in the safety of our home when "all my
> friends" are out partying and it seems the cool
> thing
> to do? >>
>
> We've never told a kid they couldn't taste alcohol.
> We've offered it
> directly. "You want a taste?" No.
>
> We very rarely drink, and few of our friends drink.
>
>
> My kids are 16, 14 and 11. Kirby and Marty are
> often out with friends. At
> the moment they're both gone, both with older people
> with cars. None of
> their friends drink. Even those who are 23, 25.
> These boys COULD and choose
> not to. They have one friend who smokes cigarettes
> and they show him no
> mercy. They tell him not to do it so close to them,
> that they don't want to
> smell like that.
>
> <<Nor do I like facilitating a child's deception
> and/or disregard
> of their parents wishes. >>
>
> The best thing about our life with our kids is they
> are never deceptive in
> the least.
> We wish for them to be considerate and responsible
> and they are.
> We're considerate toward them.
>
> I would never turn a TV program off that someone was
> watching.
> Certainly not an adult, and I treat my children with
> as much respect as I
> treat adults.
>
> <<Will they seek out things that are "forbidden"
> yes,
> and I expect that, it has happened>>
>
> My kids will not and have not, because instead of
> having lists of forbidden
> things, we live by principles of respect and
> kindness.
>
>
> But then again I think South Park is really funny,
> we love The Simpsons, and
> Kirby is the coordinator of the Yu-Gi-Oh tournament
> at the gaming shop where
> he works, and I'm certain it's not demonic or
> satanic or whatever you said it
> was. (Ah. "Promotes sorcery." Kirby has no
> ensorcelling abilities
> whatsoever, and he's been involved with Magic, D&D,
> Pokemona nd Yu-Gi-Oh all.
> He was a big Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles fan,
> though, and because of that
> he's been at the same karate dojo for over seven
> years now.)
>
> -=-Take Animaniacs...popular children's
> cartoon...the
> characters are rude to each other, obnoxious,
> foul-mouthed (they may not swear but that's beside
> the
> point); the Simpsons, SouthPark and others are
> marketed to kids when the content is adult...-=-
>
> South Park is not marketted to kids. It's marketted
> to adults. Too many
> adults have an anti-cartoon prejudice, thinking
> cartoons are just for kids.
> Animaniacs is popular in perpetuity, being not
> produced anymore. The
> singalong videos are wonderful. My sister's kids
> memorized the nations of
> the world song. My kids never quite mastered it,
> though they tried.
> Musically, some of that stuff was as sophisticated
> as any complicated
> Broadway show tune.
>
> <<Yes there are many great cartoons for kids,
> DragonTales, Blue's Clues, Dora The Explorer; but I
> also find alot of political correctness and whatnot
> being taught that I object to. >>
>
> It's possible that this list won't be the
> unschooling you're looking for.
>
> There's a link to a Christian unschooling site here:
>
> http://sandradodd.com/unschoolingotherwise
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
>
>
>

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23 Mar 2003, at 9:52am

ejcrewe@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/22/2003 5:45:48 PM Central Standard Time,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
> > We monitor what the kids watch
>
> Our kids monitor what they watch. They have their own interests, everything
> else is The News, which they don't watch. Unless it's Now with Bill Moyers
> and they are snuggling in bed with me. Puts them to sleep pretty quickly.
>
> Elizabeth
>

Mine do the same. I don't censor TV. They may watch what they want. And it turns out that they rarely watch TV apart from a few shows like Stargate, Tracker, Red Dwarf and the Simpsons.
My 10 yo has just started watching The Daily Show (satirical news) and there will be lots of one -offs like Children of Dune. They never watch cartoons which I find a bit bizarre given that they are 10,
9 and 7.
We've just joined Netflix so the other day they were trawling through that and picking out movies and ordering them. Dawd knows what will arrive over the next few weeks although I think I saw all the
Pink Panther movies ordered :-)

Shyrley

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23 Mar 2003, at 10:01am

In a message dated 3/22/03 6:45:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ladyeliza_r@... writes:

> We monitor what the kids watch, and the only reason
> they've watched quite so much lately has been heavy
> snow and supercold weather keeping them in the
> house...
>
>

Do you mean "watch" as in regulate or "watch" as in watch with them and use
the TV as a starting point for conversations and understanding your child.

I think the big point is choice. No matter what I think of the TV my boys
watch or what they think of the TV I watch it is each persons choice. Only I
know what is important to me and only my boys know what is important to them.
If I don't understand a certain cartoon, I ask, not in a judgmental way
(like: "why are you watching that?" said in a sarcastic way) but in a truly
inquisitive way. Because I really want to know my boys better as people. I
want to know what they think about things.
Pam G.

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Elizabeth Roberts

23 Mar 2003, at 10:52am

We watch WITH them and discuss things as they come up,
however there are things that we don't allow even with
our being there (at this time) becuase we don't feel
it's appropriate for a child. What is appropriate for
a 7 y/o old is obviously different from that of an
older child or young adult.

E

--- genant2@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/22/03 6:45:49 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
> > We monitor what the kids watch, and the only
> reason
> > they've watched quite so much lately has been
> heavy
> > snow and supercold weather keeping them in the
> > house...
> >
> >
>
> Do you mean "watch" as in regulate or "watch" as in
> watch with them and use
> the TV as a starting point for conversations and
> understanding your child.
>
> I think the big point is choice. No matter what I
> think of the TV my boys
> watch or what they think of the TV I watch it is
> each persons choice. Only I
> know what is important to me and only my boys know
> what is important to them.
> If I don't understand a certain cartoon, I ask, not
> in a judgmental way
> (like: "why are you watching that?" said in a
> sarcastic way) but in a truly
> inquisitive way. Because I really want to know my
> boys better as people. I
> want to know what they think about things.
> Pam G.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
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23 Mar 2003, at 11:13am

In a message dated 3/23/03 10:55:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ladyeliza_r@... writes:

> What is appropriate for
> a 7 y/o old is obviously different from that of an
> older child or young adult.
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>

If you want some help in understanding how differently we think you could
post a specific example. That might be easier for you to see how I think.
My boys are not restricted in any way regarding TV. But I am not sure what
you think is not appropriate.
Pam G.

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23 Mar 2003, at 12:17pm

In a message dated 3/22/2003 7:50:14 PM Central Standard Time,
ladyeliza_r@... writes:

> and your kids are how old if you don't mind me asking?
> I have a 7 y/o, 3 y/o, 18months and Baby is due in
> August..
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Mine will be 4 and 5 in August. They have complete control of three clickers
- tv, video and dvd player. Right now they are watching There Goes An
Airplane. They have no interest in anything racy or violent.

Elizabeth (the old one)

Elizabeth

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Rebecca DeLong

23 Mar 2003, at 12:29pm

>>>starsuncloud@... wrote:

In a message dated 3/22/03 1:45:26 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< I'd better go wash my mind out with soap. >>

HA!! I just love the way you think Deb.....

I am positively baffled by people who refuse to own a tv. I was raised
without one and I was so incredibly sheltered and naive in many ways because
of that.>>>>

When I was groing up we had a tv, but the things that we could watch were severly restricted. Ex: the smurfs (anyone remember them?) my mom would stand next to the tv ang when Gargamel(sp) whould come on she would stand in front of the tv so we couldn't see what was happening. My brother and I begged for months to be allowed to watch He-Man and She-Ra, they finally relented when we told them there was a moral at the end of each episode, luckly they were at work when those cartoons were on, one look at Skelator and those would have been on the resticted list.

I have no problem with my kids watching anything they want to. Jaiden has things that he likes and things that he doesn't, He knows what he can handle and chooses. Ex: Courage the Cowerdly Dog, it scared him, he had only seen it at night before he went to sleep, so he stoped watching it. Then there was a marathon or something and a bunch of shows were on during the day and he asked me to watch them with him. Now that he's seen them during the day, he says they don't scare him and Courage has been added to his nightly cartoons.

Rebecca

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Mary

23 Mar 2003, at 12:36pm

From: Elizabeth Roberts
<<We watch WITH them and discuss things as they come up,
however there are things that we don't allow even with
our being there (at this time) becuase we don't feel
it's appropriate for a child. What is appropriate for
a 7 y/o old is obviously different from that of an
older child or young adult.>>

When given the opportunity to not have restrictions, children chose on their own things that are interesting and appropriate for them. My kids have free reign on cable tv. We have no restrictions on that. I have never gone out in the playroom and seen the children watching anything that would be considered inappropriate for their age by most standards. They just don't care for things that my husband and I would watch. It's NOT interesting to them because they can watch if they want to but they DON'T want to. My children very frequently get up and leave the room when watching something that maybe we thought they would like that they don't. They have that choice and use it quite often. Can't say I ever saw them catching some movie like Scarface or something. Now if I wouldn't "allow" them access, then by all means they would want to know what they couldn't see and why.

Mary B

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23 Mar 2003, at 12:49pm

In a message dated 3/23/03 9:14:34 AM, genant2@... writes:

<< If you want some help in understanding how differently we think you could
post a specific example. That might be easier for you to see how I think.
My boys are not restricted in any way regarding TV. But I am not sure what
you think is not appropriate. >>

When people say things like this and say their kids just haven't asked to
smoke cigarettes, I'm imagining that Elizabeth is thinking that means we show
our kids slasher films and buy them cigarettes.

It's so foreign to the traditional "childrearing" methods that many "reared"
minds can't begin to wrap around it.

This happens a few times a year, that someone shows up who is determined to
tell us that maybe WE don't care if our kids ever learn math but THEY *have*
to teach math. Dozens of us see the irony, and that new writer/speaker
doesn't begin to.

I don't forbid very much. I have not forbidden my children to sell their
bodies on Central Avenue. They know about prostitution. Holly and I once
had twenty minutes to kill waiting to do something in that neighborhood, and
I took her cruising to see prostitutes. The only one we saw was a
transvestite, black male, NICE legs, pretty dress. She had me go around the
corner and pass by again and tell her how I had first noticed it was a man.
Wig is no proof. Legs and posture. Arm muscles.

Does that mean Holly will be out there next? I didn't tell her she should
or shouldn't.

That's an extreme and true example. Let's bypass all the little examples and
go straight to a wild and crazy one.

So this same family in which the kids know prostitution exists has ZERO kids
who have expressed an interest in making some extra money that way.

They've seen cigarettes. Smelled them. Not liked it.
When they visit a home where there are cigarette smokers, they'll come home
and take their clothes off and say "MOM, please wash this stuff, it stinks."
When their grandmother used to sew for them and send clothes, the very first
thing when we opened the box, out came a cloud of cigarette stench because
she smokes while she sews and it gets all into the cloth. The last couple of
packages, we just opened by the washing machine.

Should I forbid them to smoke?

It wouldn't be NEARLY as effective as their own freely made decision.

Same with drinking.

You don't have to forbid things when you discuss principles and live a
principled life.

But then that statement won't make sense to someone whose principles involve
raising and protecting children from worldly influences, political
correctness, and the influence of Satan.

That's another reason I don't think unschooling can work for everyone. If
their priorities involve control and discipline, this isn't a place they can
get to. For people whose priorities are treating their children as thinking
beings, as seeing beings, it's perfect.

Sandra

Sorcha

23 Mar 2003, at 1:10pm

>>>Right now they are watching There Goes An

Airplane.<<<

Right now my two sons are watching There Goes a Monster Truck (the 2 yr
old is yelling, "Look! Look! Look!") We love that series and we've seen
them all.

Sorcha

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Sorcha

23 Mar 2003, at 6:10pm

>>>the smurfs (anyone remember them?) my mom would stand next to the tv

ang when Gargamel(sp) whould come on she would stand in front of the tv
so we couldn't see what was happening.<<<

When I was five, my mom and dad realized that there was (gasp) magic on
the Smurfs. So they took away my Smurf toys and explained to me that
magic was evil and I could no longer watch the show and that they needed
to throw away my toys. I explained that there was an evil character,
but that Papa Smurf was a good character. My parents said it didn't
matter; all magic was evil and it was forbidden. I never forgot that.
Did it make me think magic was evil? Absolutely not. As soon as I was
out of my parent's home I spent two or three years reading everything I
possibly could about magic and witchcraft. I wanted to know what it had
that scared them so much.

Sorcha

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