Denese Kolb

more later but for now, why don't you say:
I need a break
get on a plane and fly here for a week or two or three:)
you're going to have a meltdown.
I love you and will talk to you soon.
D
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> 1. Re: questions/punishments
> From: Have a Nice Day! <litlrooh@...>
> 2. Re: Time
> From: "mary krzyzanowski" <meembeam@...>
> 3. Re: Connie
> From: "Manon \(Hotmail\)" <manon_brisson@...>
> 4. Re: questions/punishments
> From: "Mary" <mummy124@...>
> 5. Re: questions/punishments
> From: "MARK and JULIE SOLICH" <mjsolich@...>
> 6. Thanks!
> From: "shantinik" <shantinik@...>
> 7. Re: education is everywhere/unschooling trip/comics
> From: "kate6363" <kate6363@...>
> 8. Re: questions/punishments
> From: Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema <heidi@...>
> 9. Re: questions/punishments
> From: "Mary" <mummy124@...>
> 10. Re: questions/punishments
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> 11. Re: questions/punishments
> From: genant2@...
> 12. Are you there?
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> 13. Re: Are you there?
> From: encadia@...
> 14. Re: Are you there?
> From: "Karin" <curtkar@...>
> 15. RE: Are you there?
> From: "Sorcha" <sorcha-aisling@...>
> 16. Re: Are you there?
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> 17. Re: Are you there?
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> 18. re: Thanks and book cover
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> 19. Trapped in college
> From: Betony Williamson <betonytw@...>
> 20. Plug-In Drug, was Re: Are you there?
> From: "nellebelle" <nellebelle@...>
> 21. Re: New Member TV questions
> From: Betony Williamson <betonytw@...>
> 22. Re: Plug-In Drug, was Re: Are you there?
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 23. Re: Re: New Member TV questions
> From: grlynbl@...
> 24. Re: Thanks and book cover
> From: "shantinik" <shantinik@...>
> 25. RE: Trapped in college
> From: "Dawn Ackroyd" <dackroyd@...>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:01:32 -0500
> From: Have a Nice Day! <litlrooh@...>
> Subject: Re: questions/punishments
>
> Taking separate vacations is also something that we do. He goes hunting
every year, and I usually take a weekend to do something I like.
>
> It does help a lot.
>
> Kristen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rebecca DeLong
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 3:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] questions/punishments
>
>
>
>
> >>>starsuncloud@... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/19/03 8:27:28 PM Central Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << But separating doesn't always mean divorce. >>
>
> Exactly.
> Our separation was absolutely necessary because my dh did not want to
get
> help.
> The separation allowed us both time to breathe in the space that the
other
> person left, which was very, very good for both of us.>>>
>
> I wanted to share something that Jason and I do, its something we saw on
Oprah many moons ago. We take seperat vacations.
>
> We go back to MI a couple times a year, to visit family and I almost
always stay a week or two longer and Jason comes home. I keep the kids with
me, until they are old enough to go with Jason.
>
> It helps so much. Sometimes, if we are not at a place to go out of town
one of us will stay with friends or family for a few days, sometimes even a
night apart can be all you need to reconect with the person you love.
>
> We have just watched the couple that introduced us (we were all very
good friends, had our kids together stuff like that)get divorced. Jason went
to court with his friend Tues. They forgot that they were friends and stoped
talking about anything other than the kids and bills, it's sad.
>
> Sometimes I think that you (a general you) forget that you like the
person you are married to, and that you were at one time friends with that
person, and friends need breaks from each other. It's hard to be married, it
takes work, and sometimes it feels like you are the only person doing any of
the work, I say, take a break, step back, breath, try to remember that this
person is your friend, treat him/her like one and talk to them.
>
> It's hard and it doesn't always work, but it usally does.
>
> Rebecca
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> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:04:18 -0500
> From: "mary krzyzanowski" <meembeam@...>
> Subject: Re: Time
>
> The dog can't do chores when older.
> Mary-NY
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> >From: Bill and Diane <cen46624@...>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Time
> >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:41:56 -0500
> >
> > >
> > >
> > ><< One mum leaves the house at 6:30am and returns at
> > >
> > >6:30pm. I say next time buy a dog!! >>
> > >
> > >Why leave a dog for twelve hours?
> > >
> >
> >This is really what neices and nephews are for--contact with the future
> >with a low time investment.
> >
> >:-) Diane
> >
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> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:19:16 -0500
> From: "Manon \(Hotmail\)" <manon_brisson@...>
> Subject: Re: Connie
>
> I also have to recommend Relationship Rescue by Dr Phil. It is the book
that saved my relationship.
>
> Manon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Angela
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:51 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Connie
>
>
> Connie,
> Have you ever read "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus"? It really
> helped me to understand where my dh is coming from. I wanted him to
> read it but he never did, but even so, in changing the way I
> communicated with him and translated what he said, our marriage grew and
> became stronger. I recommend it as a last ditch effort. I wish you
> luck.
> Angela in Maine
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:59:38 -0500
> From: "Mary" <mummy124@...>
> Subject: Re: questions/punishments
>
>
>
> From: Rebecca DeLong
>
> <<Sometimes I think that you (a general you) forget that you like the
person you are married to, and that you were at one time friends with that
person, and friends need breaks from each other. It's hard to be married, it
takes work, and sometimes it feels like you are the only person doing any of
the work, I say, take a break, step back, breath, try to remember that this
person is your friend, treat him/her like one and talk to them.>>
>
>
>
> I think it so matters on the couple though. My husband and I were
friends first. We did have some time together at the beginning that didn't
start out as potential partner material. We've been through an awful lot
together that most couples don't have to weather. I never have felt like I
need a break from him and the same goes for him also. We never have been
apart aside from 2-3 days on maybe 3 occasions. Business trip and deaths in
the family. Certainly not pleasure things. We've even spent years where we
worked together every single day. We have no need to be apart. We spend more
time together than most couples I know. We prefer it that way and we thrive
that way. So it does depend on what each person needs and wants and whether
those needs and wants are the same.
>
> Mary B
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> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:19:45 +0800
> From: "MARK and JULIE SOLICH" <mjsolich@...>
> Subject: Re: questions/punishments
>
>
>
> . We spend more time together than most couples I know. We prefer it that
> way and we thrive that way. So it does depend on what each person needs
and
> wants and whether those needs and wants are the same.
> >
> > Mary B
> >
> Mark and I are the same. We hate being apart and are happiest when we are
> working together. I can't imagine wanting to go on a holiday without him.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:28:04 -0000
> From: "shantinik" <shantinik@...>
> Subject: Thanks!
>
> Dear friends --
>
> I wanted to tell you all that my new homeschooling book is out (and
> I'm very proud of it! [:-[] Sorry, proud papa can't help it.) More to
> the point though, back last summer I put out an announcement for a
> homeschool book cover contest, and I wanted to take the opportunity to
> let you know about the winner, and to thank all your kids who
> participated! (We had hundreds of entries, from as far away as Kuala
> Lampur, Malaysia, and Capetown, South Africa.)
>
> I'm very pleased with it, indeed -- the ship even has a moustache (to
> resemble me, I guess, though I have never met the artist).
>
> Anyhow -- you can see it on my website at www.skylarksings.com
>
> At some future point (once I get myself better organized), I hope to
> post some of the runnersup on the site -- there were so many good
> ones! [:-)]
>
> Thanks!
>
> david
>
>
> THIRTEEN-YEAR OLD WINS CONTEST TO DESIGN BOOK COVER
>
>
> Monroe, ME: Homeschooler Brianna Kathleen Thomas of Prince George,
> British Columbia has won a contest for the artwork to a book cover for
> David H. Albert's forthcoming Homeschooling and the Voyage of
> Self-Discovery: A Journey of Original Seeking (Common Courage Press,
> 2003). Ingeniously crafted from plasticine, her cover, features three
> children on a boat, nicely echoing the theme in the title. She
> received the prize of $100.
>
> The art work was then used by designers Matt Wuerker and Erica
> Bjerning who placed the title, subtitle and other type on the cover.
>
> Thomas was surprised to win. "I thought for sure the prize had gone to
> someone else," she said in a recent phone call informing her that her
> work had been selected.
>
> While writing his book last year, Albert decided to put his faith
> where his commitments were and asked his publisher to run a contest
> for a cover for his book. Greg Bates and Flic Shooter, publishers at
> Common Courage Press, were worried. "One concern was whether there
> were enough young artists out there with the confidence to submit
> entries," Bates said. But their real worry was quality. "What
> publisher in his right mind would entrust a cover--the most important
> piece of advertising for a book--to a contest whose contestants had to
> be 15 years of age or under," he said. "I spent several sleepless
> nights worrying that we were running a contest no one would win,"
> Bates continued.
>
> But Albert, long a champion of the passions of homeschoolers, never
> wavered. "We will have lots of entries and more than one great cover,"
> he predicted. Albert was right on both counts.
>
> Word spread fast around the net and the network of homeschoolers. "We
> live in a tiny town," noted Bates. "And when we received hundreds of
> entries, even the post office took notice. It got to the point where
> the postal clerk would announce how many entries we received each
> day," he said.
>
> Shooter, in charge of the initial review of entries, said, "We were
> quickly forced to develop a sorting system to handle the incoming art.
> I enlisted our seven-year-old daughter to help with the task, and was
> amazed to see how much she loved looking at the entries."
>
> "We received several great entries," Shooter said. "But Brianna's work
> took my breath away from the moment I opened it," she said.
>
> "We hoped for a good cover," Bates said. "What we got was a masterpiece."
>
> About the cover artist:
>
> Brianna Kathleen Thomas did the cover art when she was thirteen years
> old. She is homeschooled and she loves to make pictures with
> plasticine and write fantasy and adventure stories. She lives with her
> Mom, dad, her sister Molly, and her two brothers, Kieran and Aidan.
> She also lives with her spunky cat, Scarlet and her dog, Griz, plus an
> assortment of gerbils. For interviews, contact
> gbates@...
>
>
> Homeschooling and the Voyage of Self-Discovery: A Journey of Original
> Seeking
> Author: David H. Albert
> Introduction by Joyce Reed: Associate Dean at Brown University
> ISBN: 1-56751-232-1, paper, $17.95 ISBN 1-56751-233-x, cloth, 29.95
> 288 pages
>
> To contact the author:
> Phone: 360 352-0506
> E-mail: shantinik@...
> Website: www.skylarksings.com
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:13:06 -0000
> From: "kate6363" <kate6363@...>
> Subject: Re: education is everywhere/unschooling trip/comics
>
> --- In [email protected], "zenmomma *"
> <zenmomma@h...> wrote:
> >
> > >>Got to love 'Calvin and Hobbs' :)>>
> >
> > Calvin and Hobbes is the best!! Conor, now almost 14, has been
> reading them
> > since he was about 9. There's always so much to talk about in those
> itty
> > bitty comics. Fox Trot is pretty cool too.
> >
>
>
> FoxTrot and Calvin and Hobbes are favorites of my boys too. They
> recently discovered you can have FoxTrot (and many others) emailed to
> you daily at www.ucomics.com for free. FoxTrot is now usually our
> part of our breakfast conversation. The kids get a kick out of the
> school/grades/studying strips.
>
> Kate
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:40:40 -0800
> From: Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema <heidi@...>
> Subject: Re: questions/punishments
>
> We are another couple that likes some vacations apart.
>
> It started with a stressed-out-escape when I enjoyed a single night alone
> in a nearby hotel with pool, and quiet. Lots and lots of quiet. Balm for
> a weary, weary soul. It continued with yearly Mom's Weekend Out when a
> girlfriend (or three) would go somewhere for the weekend, leaving papa's
at
> home with babes. It was followed by conflicting work schedules, his
> getting ill (using up all his time off) and my having a family reunion
that
> could NOT be missed (according to my mum) and that he didn't want to go to
> anyway. Perfect. I took the kids and he stayed at home with quiet
> evenings. It still generally works out that I take the kids to my family
> events (across the country) and he takes the kids to his family events (12
> hours north) and we each try to make it to the others' when we can.
>
> It's allowed us to use more of his vacation time for just-us-family time
> and trips, instead of on all the rest of the family (and no time for
> just-us-somewhere-new.) Plus, nowadays, I'll go upcountry for a week or
> two at a time and listen to the silence, dig in the mud/ditches, wander
> down creeks, etc and just report to myself for a while. I come back
> renewed and well, happier, with more energy for everyone!
>
> Personality-wise, I travel great with my son, okay with my daughter and
> lousy with my husband. It just comes down to the way we like to 'plan'
(or
> not plan) excursions, etc. We are such opposites, my hubby and I. We
work
> really well together, but we also need time away to let the niggling stuff
> dissapate. I relish our time together more, after we've been apart.
>
> It's just how it works for us, not for anybody else, eh?
> HeidiWD
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 01:18:22 -0500
> From: "Mary" <mummy124@...>
> Subject: Re: questions/punishments
>
> From: Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
> <<Personality-wise, I travel great with my son, okay with my daughter
and
> lousy with my husband.>>
>
>
> It's funny how travelling can be so strained with two different kinds of
people. Before Joe and I were married, we found this out in a matter of
days. Joe convinced me against my better judgement to take off spur of the
moment to go visit relatives. I hate not being organized and Joe just loves
to "go and do it." I had no real reason to say no. We took 3 days, drove
from Florida to Pennsylvania and visited with my godmother, 2 aunts and an
uncle. Drove to New York and visited with Joe's grandmother. Drove back down
to Florida, stopped off in St. Petersburg for a few hours and then came home
to south FL. We had a great time. We knew after spending most of our time in
a car driving, we could do anything together!!!
>
> Mary B
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 01:35:56 EST
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> Subject: Re: questions/punishments
>
> My husband Ken and I feel the same way, we have had to have some trips
apart,
> and the whole time we both are wishing we could tell each other something
or
> ask something, it gets very lonely. I can't imagine being away from him If
I
> don't have to. IT does seem to be very individual.
> Nancy
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:22:33 EST
> From: genant2@...
> Subject: Re: questions/punishments
>
> In a message dated 3/20/03 7:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mummy124@... writes:
>
> > We have no need to be apart. We spend more time together than most
couples I
> > know. We prefer it that way and we thrive that way. So it does depend on
> > what each person needs and wants and whether those needs and wants are
the
> > same.
> >
> >
>
> We are like that. We have occasionally been apart. Like when he flew to
> Georgia to take his board exams. He wanted to not have us around so he
could
> focus on the exam but we were on the phone all the time he wasn't in the
exam
> and he said that he had wished we were there with him.
>
> We started out alone though. After we were married I left the military
and
> he stayed in and we moved to Germany where we did not know another person.
> No family no friends. We had to lean on each other for everything. That,
I
> believe, is what has helped to make our marriage so strong.
>
> Pam G.
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:24:47 EST
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> Subject: Are you there?
>
> I have had some trouble with my server overnight, and have no e-mail this
> morning. I find it hard to believe no one has posted, can someone send me
> something to see if I have become cut off from the list or something?
> Your help is greatly appreciated!!!
> I will go into withdrawal if I miss anything from this precious list!!
> Nancy in BC
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:28:43 EST
> From: encadia@...
> Subject: Re: Are you there?
>
> I just got your email
> you are comming through just fine.
>
> Linda
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:22:47 -0700
> From: "Karin" <curtkar@...>
> Subject: Re: Are you there?
>
>
> > I have had some trouble with my server overnight, and have no e-mail
this
> > morning. I find it hard to believe no one has posted, can someone send
me
> > something to see if I have become cut off from the list or something?
> > Your help is greatly appreciated!!!
> > I will go into withdrawal if I miss anything from this precious list!!
> > Nancy in BC
>
>
> I don't think you've missed anything, Nancy.
> I just checked the messages at the yahoo website and your's and Pam G.'s
> (did you get that one?) were the only 2 messages today.
> It's just slow.
>
> Karin
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:34:58 -0500
> From: "Sorcha" <sorcha-aisling@...>
> Subject: RE: Are you there?
>
> It has been unnaturally quiet around here.
>
> Sorcha
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:38:38 EST
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> Subject: Re: Are you there?
>
> Thank you very much. I expect with everything going on, people are
watching
> the TV abit more or something.
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:40:09 EST
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> Subject: Re: Are you there?
>
> In a message dated 21/03/2003 07:35:49 Pacific Standard Time,
> sorcha-aisling@... writes:
>
>
> > It has been unnaturally quiet around here.
> >
>
> So true, but not a big surprise.Thank you for responding, I was worried
about
> my unschooling lifeline!!
> Nancy
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:47:27 EST
> From: LOWRIEK@...
> Subject: re: Thanks and book cover
>
> Just had to write and say that I know Brianna Thomas, the person who had
her
> picture put on the cover of the book.
> She is a wonderful, creative and vibrant young woman.She is a true
> unschooler, and her entire family is a model for me in my journey to
> unschool.
> Brianna's mom is an inspiration to me and a very dear friend.
> Congratulations Brianna!!!!!!
> Nancy
> (Maureen also lurks on this list!!)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:51:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: Betony Williamson <betonytw@...>
> Subject: Trapped in college
>
> Hi Everyone.
> I have been reading all of your letters for a while
> now, and love your insights. I don't actually have
> kids. In fact, I am in college. I was unschooled until
> 8th grade, when I made the choice to go to H.S. - A
> choice I now regret but at the time seemed like I good
> idea because I too felt like I was "behind". I was
> amazed by high schoolers lack of motivation and
> excitement for learning. For the first year or so I
> soaked everything up. I loved it. However, the farther
> I went the less I learned for the sake of learning and
> the more I did it for the grade. I got so wrapped up
> in getting good grades and spending time with my
> friends that I lost track of my beautiful family and
> my passions. At first I got straight A's because I
> worked hard. Later I worked hard to get straight A's.
> I stopped being able to do all the cool things I had
> done when I was unschooled. My parents just sat back
> and let me do what I said I wanted. I graduated at the
> top of my class and got several great scholarships. I
> spent my freshman year of college at a small private
> school in Kansas. I was not happy. This year, I
> transfered to the University of Northern CO in
> Greeley. I am enjoying it, but I still feel stifled
> and stuck into routines that I would rather not
> follow. A couple of weeks ago I finally started
> reading the teenage liberation handbook (My mum has
> been leaving it around for ages). It depresses me to
> think how 'normal' my life has become. I am majoring
> in Art and Biology, and I love my classes, but I hate
> the passivity of the public educations learning
> process. I want to get out and see the world. I want
> to take bike trips accross the country, I want to sew
> a quilt, plant a garden, travel the globe. I feel like
> I never have time to pursue my passions. Once again I
> am wrapped up in getting good grades. I feel like I
> have to so I can get good scholarships that will allow
> me to afford to pay gallons of money to a school I am
> not really sure is teaching me more than I would learn
> on my own. So I think about all these things, and
> wonder if I should just quit. Rise out of school. But
> I don't really ever hear of college students doing it.
> You can argue that a H.S. diploma is not necessary,
> but you cannot say the same thing about a college
> degree. I would love to hear what your thoughts are
> about my situation. Thank you for listening.
> -Betony
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:54:51 -0800
> From: "nellebelle" <nellebelle@...>
> Subject: Plug-In Drug, was Re: Are you there?
>
> Maybe everyone is in a zombie-like trance in front of the TV.
>
> Seriously though...
> I am reading The Plug-In Drug. It was recommended, during a discussion on
> another list, as a book that explains why TV is bad for kids and other
> people.
>
> I have the 2002 revised edition. The author uses false logic and parent
> testimonials to back her belief that TV is bad. She frequently
contradicts
> herself.
>
> I am thinking of writing an essay to critique the book. That would flex
> some muscles that haven't been used in a while!
>
> Mary Ellen
>
>
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:11:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: Betony Williamson <betonytw@...>
> Subject: Re: New Member TV questions
>
> You said that you can't help thinking that you would
> be doing more if you just got rid of the TV, but you
> can't bring yourself to do it. All I can say to that
> is DO! My parents chose when we were really young that
> we were not going to have television in our house. My
> life has been so much fuller becuase of that one small
> choice. I do not deny that T.V. can be very
> educational, but I have the same complaint with T.V.
> as I do with public edu. It is too passive. Hours are
> lost sitting on the couch in a trance. Instead you and
> your children could be reading together, having
> afternoon teas, sewing blankets, dancing outside,
> biking to town, or just learning about each other.
> With the help of the internet and NPR, none of the
> positive aspects of television need to be lost. In
> fact, in my opinion, the best possible set-up is not
> to eliminate the T.V. completely - still have a VCR
> and watch movies occasionally, but just eliminate the
> television aspect. Think how much time you waste just
> watching commercials for things you don't need! Life
> is meant for living, not watching other people live.
> Once your T.V. is gone, I promise you will not miss it
> at all. Best of luck1
> Betony
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:33:14 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Plug-In Drug, was Re: Are you there?
>
>
> In a message dated 3/21/03 9:00:50 AM, nellebelle@... writes:
>
> << I am thinking of writing an essay to critique the book. That would
flex
>
> some muscles that haven't been used in a while! >>
>
> I'd be glad to put it on a website. I've been collecting good parts for
a
> free-media-access page for my website already.
>
> When I read that book years ago (before it was "improved" ? <g>) I was
struck
> by its assumptions and wanted to say "Yeah, but..." all the time I was
> reading. I didn't bother to finish it or to write to the author and say
> "yeah, but..." because she had her fervent agenda, but it wasn't anything
> like my own.
>
> Good for you, Mary Ellen, if you're willing to share a detailed review so
> others don't have to read it if they don't want to.
>
> Sandra
>
>
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>
> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:20:51 EST
> From: grlynbl@...
> Subject: Re: Re: New Member TV questions
>
> In a message dated 3/21/03 11:13:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> betonytw@... writes:
>
> > Hours are
> > lost sitting on the couch in a trance. Instead you and
> > your children could be reading together, having
> > afternoon teas, sewing blankets, dancing outside,
> > biking to town, or just learning about each other.
> > With the help of the internet and NPR, none of the
> > positive aspects of television need to be lost.
>
> It is a false assumption that having access to TV means you can't do
these
> other things. If given the choice, do you REALLY think that kids would
> choose TV over interactive, fun stuff? If they did choose TV, then
perhaps
> those things are YOUR interests and not your childs. Find out what your
> child likes to do, and enjoy it with them enthusiastically. My family
does
> all the things you listed plus tons more. I do resent that folks
continue
> to insinuate that not restricting TV means that is ALL children will do.
> Lame.
>
> Teresa
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:46:37 -0000
> From: "shantinik" <shantinik@...>
> Subject: Re: Thanks and book cover
>
> --- In [email protected], LOWRIEK@a... wrote:
> > Just had to write and say that I know Brianna Thomas, the person
> who had her
> > picture put on the cover of the book.
> > She is a wonderful, creative and vibrant young woman.She is a true
> > unschooler, and her entire family is a model for me in my journey
> to
> > unschool.
> > Brianna's mom is an inspiration to me and a very dear friend.
> > Congratulations Brianna!!!!!!
> > Nancy
> > (Maureen also lurks on this list!!)
> >
> Thanks -- Nancy! I actually have never met her, nor even spoken with
> her on the phone (her entry came without a phone number!) though my
> publisher tracked her down.
>
> But when we say her entry, we immediately knew -- "That's it!" Of
> course, then we had to figure out how to get it on a bookcover!
> (that's why there are professionals who do such things....)
>
> Please convey my thanks to Maureen as well.
>
> david
> www.skylarksings.com
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 25
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:48:47 -0700
> From: "Dawn Ackroyd" <dackroyd@...>
> Subject: RE: Trapped in college
>
> I understand what you're saying. I wasn't homeschooled, and I went to
> University and did that whole routine - I learned to live the system and
> did just fine doing so (well, one has to wonder what I missed out
> on...but that's another thread). My husband hated High School and he
> hated University. When we got married he had two years left for his
> degree. It was a real struggle for him. Finally he decided to quit. We
> looked at our situation. He had a business, and loved it. He is a
> finance guy - does personal finance for people. The stuff he was
> learning in his finance degree was corporate finance and really didn't
> apply to his work. Finally, after much deliberation, he decided to quit.
> Sometimes he regrets that he quit simply because he quit. He does want
> to finish his degree one day - but truthfully, I don't think it will
> have that much impact on his income, or anything else. It's just a
> personal goal he has.
>
> I do think University education can be valuable - but you have to be
> careful how you go about it. You have to make sure that you're really
> learning the things you love and doing it for you, instead of jumping
> through the hoops the school system has set up. That's what I did....and
> I don't know if I really obtained a 'higher education' by going to
> University. I just got a piece of paper.
>
> Dawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Betony Williamson [mailto:betonytw@...]
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:52 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Trapped in college
>
>
> Hi Everyone.
> I have been reading all of your letters for a while
> now, and love your insights. I don't actually have
> kids. In fact, I am in college. I was unschooled until
> 8th grade, when I made the choice to go to H.S. - A
> choice I now regret but at the time seemed like I good
> idea because I too felt like I was "behind". I was
> amazed by high schoolers lack of motivation and
> excitement for learning. For the first year or so I
> soaked everything up. I loved it. However, the farther
> I went the less I learned for the sake of learning and
> the more I did it for the grade. I got so wrapped up
> in getting good grades and spending time with my
> friends that I lost track of my beautiful family and
> my passions. At first I got straight A's because I
> worked hard. Later I worked hard to get straight A's.
> I stopped being able to do all the cool things I had
> done when I was unschooled. My parents just sat back
> and let me do what I said I wanted. I graduated at the
> top of my class and got several great scholarships. I
> spent my freshman year of college at a small private
> school in Kansas. I was not happy. This year, I
> transfered to the University of Northern CO in
> Greeley. I am enjoying it, but I still feel stifled
> and stuck into routines that I would rather not
> follow. A couple of weeks ago I finally started
> reading the teenage liberation handbook (My mum has
> been leaving it around for ages). It depresses me to
> think how 'normal' my life has become. I am majoring
> in Art and Biology, and I love my classes, but I hate
> the passivity of the public educations learning
> process. I want to get out and see the world. I want
> to take bike trips accross the country, I want to sew
> a quilt, plant a garden, travel the globe. I feel like
> I never have time to pursue my passions. Once again I
> am wrapped up in getting good grades. I feel like I
> have to so I can get good scholarships that will allow
> me to afford to pay gallons of money to a school I am
> not really sure is teaching me more than I would learn
> on my own. So I think about all these things, and
> wonder if I should just quit. Rise out of school. But
> I don't really ever hear of college students doing it.
> You can argue that a H.S. diploma is not necessary,
> but you cannot say the same thing about a college
> degree. I would love to hear what your thoughts are
> about my situation. Thank you for listening.
> -Betony
>
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