Nora or Devereaux Cannon

for identification of a mammal by fur caught in a barbed wire
fence. Usually my Google skills are good enough to find what I
am looking for, but this time all I am netting is PETA and
furriers, with a little historical Canadian fur trapping thrown
in, LOL.

Our 6 yo found two hairs caught on the fence and asked what they
were from, given that they have bands of white and brown on the
same hair. I don't know and am having a hard time finding the
right search terms - any online field guide experts out there?
The area is northern Middle Tennessee, if you have a geo specific
site in mind. TIA

Rachel Ann

Where do you live?

That would help...

be well,
Rachel Ann




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From: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, March 16, 2003 20:47:34
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Searching for a source

for identification of a mammal by fur caught in a barbed wire
fence. Usually my Google skills are good enough to find what I
am looking for, but this time all I am netting is PETA and
furriers, with a little historical Canadian fur trapping thrown
in, LOL.

Our 6 yo found two hairs caught on the fence and asked what they
were from, given that they have bands of white and brown on the
same hair. I don't know and am having a hard time finding the
right search terms - any online field guide experts out there?
The area is northern Middle Tennessee, if you have a geo specific
site in mind. TIA


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Deborah Lewis

Take the samples in to your cooperative extension agent and your wildlife
biologist, and if they don't know try the vet, (vet's know everything) or
some enthusiastic biologist at a university near you.

And while you're at the fish and wildlife office ask them for posters.
They always have free stuff!

Did you look for tracks around your fence?
Did you look for poop?

Those things are easy to identify, but hair is harder. (for a lay person)

Do you have a microscope to look at the hair with? That's kind of fun.

Good luck!

Deb L

Heidi and Brent Ricks

You could also find your local taxidermist. That might be an interesting "Feild trip". Then you could take the hairs and compare them to the critters or pelts he has. I would put my bet on those
being deer hairs.

Heidi R.

Nora or Devereaux Cannon wrote:

> for identification of a mammal by fur caught in a barbed wire
> fence. Usually my Google skills are good enough to find what I
> am looking for, but this time all I am netting is PETA and
> furriers, with a little historical Canadian fur trapping thrown
> in, LOL.
>
> Our 6 yo found two hairs caught on the fence and asked what they
> were from, given that they have bands of white and brown on the
> same hair. I don't know and am having a hard time finding the
> right search terms - any online field guide experts out there?
> The area is northern Middle Tennessee, if you have a geo specific
> site in mind. TIA
>
>
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Nora or Devereaux Cannon

Thanks - I haven't had much luck in the past with our extension
agent, but they are nice folks with lots of giveaways; asking is
always a good thing. I hadn't thought of a vet; that is always a
popular destination.

Your absolutely on target with the poop and tracks thing. We are
in the country and I am amazed at how much a kid who "hangs out
outside" picks up on that. We have a couple of acceptable
"track" books. Poop has just sorta come naturally. LOL. The
microscope is a fun toy.

Actually it is because of her focused interest in noticing signs
of animals and classifying them that I wanted a source she could
use on her own for hair. We'll have fun running into town to
ask, though.

Thanks!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah Lewis" <ddzimlew@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Searching for a source


| Take the samples in to your cooperative extension agent and
your wildlife
| biologist, and if they don't know try the vet, (vet's know
everything) or
| some enthusiastic biologist at a university near you.
|
| And while you're at the fish and wildlife office ask them for
posters.
| They always have free stuff!
|
| Did you look for tracks around your fence?
| Did you look for poop?
|
| Those things are easy to identify, but hair is harder. (for a
lay person)
|
| Do you have a microscope to look at the hair with? That's
kind of fun.
|
| Good luck!
|
| Deb L
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Nora or Devereaux Cannon

LOL - my husband said taxidermist this morning. I would have
never thought about it. I don't "think" deer - though I am no
expert, because they were 12 inches off the ground, and on the
prong pointed down she says. I am sure she is accurate on the
height - whether it was actually caught by something moving under
the fence is pretty open to mis-interpretation.

Thanks!
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From: "Heidi and Brent Ricks" <rickshei@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Searching for a source


| You could also find your local taxidermist. That might be an
interesting "Feild trip". Then you could take the hairs and
compare them to the critters or pelts he has. I would put my bet
on those
| being deer hairs.
|
| Heidi R.
|
| Nora or Devereaux Cannon wrote:

| > for identification of a mammal by fur caught in a barbed wire
| > fence. Usually my Google skills are good enough to find what
I
| > am looking for, but this time all I am netting is PETA and
| > furriers, with a little historical Canadian fur trapping
thrown
| > in, LOL.
| >
| > Our 6 yo found two hairs caught on the fence and asked what
they
| > were from, given that they have bands of white and brown on
the
| > same hair. I don't know and am having a hard time finding
the
| > right search terms - any online field guide experts out
there?
| > The area is northern Middle Tennessee, if you have a geo
specific
| > site in mind. TIA
| >
| >
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Fetteroll

on 3/16/03 8:52 PM, Nora or Devereaux Cannon at dcannon@... wrote:

> Usually my Google skills are good enough to find what I
> am looking for, but this time all I am netting is PETA and
> furriers, with a little historical Canadian fur trapping thrown
> in

I think the county extension agent ideas is better than Google, but you can
put a - in front of words that you want to eliminate from the search. So you
can add -PETA and so on to tell it not to return pages where PETA is
mentioned.

Joyce

Nora or Devereaux Cannon

Sorry, I should have put that at the beginning not the end of the
e-mail - northern Middle Tennessee, for all practical purposes of
climate and habitat, southern middle Kentucky.

Thanks!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Ann" <hindar@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Searching for a source


| Where do you live?
|
| That would help...
|
| be well,
| Rachel Ann
|
|
|
|
| -------Original Message-------
|
| From: [email protected]
| Date: Sunday, March 16, 2003 20:47:34
| To: [email protected]
| Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Searching for a source
|
| for identification of a mammal by fur caught in a barbed wire
| fence. Usually my Google skills are good enough to find what I
| am looking for, but this time all I am netting is PETA and
| furriers, with a little historical Canadian fur trapping thrown
| in, LOL.
|
| Our 6 yo found two hairs caught on the fence and asked what
they
| were from, given that they have bands of white and brown on the
| same hair. I don't know and am having a hard time finding the
| right search terms - any online field guide experts out there?
| The area is northern Middle Tennessee, if you have a geo
specific
| site in mind. TIA
|
|
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Thanks!
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Searching for a source


| on 3/16/03 8:52 PM, Nora or Devereaux Cannon at
dcannon@... wrote:
|
| > Usually my Google skills are good enough to find what I
| > am looking for, but this time all I am netting is PETA and
| > furriers, with a little historical Canadian fur trapping
thrown
| > in
|
| I think the county extension agent ideas is better than Google,
but you can
| put a - in front of words that you want to eliminate from the
search. So you
| can add -PETA and so on to tell it not to return pages where
PETA is
| mentioned.
|
| Joyce
|
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[email protected]

In a message dated 3/17/03 7:00:30 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< Actually it is because of her focused interest in noticing signs
of animals and classifying them that I wanted a source she could
use on her own for hair. We'll have fun running into town to
ask, though. >>

If you can find a local Native American tribe...sometimes they have an expert
tracker that could really be helpful.
Or a park ranger trained that way. We got to attend a parks service event
once, where the ranger was an excellent animal tracker. She pointed out
little signs that I would never have noticed and told us what kind of animal
had laid there! She had been trained by a Native American elder.

Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."

----Frances Hodgson Burnett

[email protected]

In a message dated 3/17/03 6:02:27 AM, dcannon@... writes:

<< I would have
never thought about it. I don't "think" deer - though I am no
expert, because they were 12 inches off the ground, and on the
prong pointed down she says. I am sure she is accurate on the
height - whether it was actually caught by something moving under
the fence is pretty open to mis-interpretation.
>>

A taxidermist would recognize the texture, probably, even if not the visual,
because they TOUCH the stuff all the time. Do you have badgers there?
Porcupines? They have stripey hairs. The porcupine I was familiar with did.
We watched him decompose over the course of six or seven years, when I was a
kid. He was peacefully dead just inside an old horizontal mine shaft where
we used to camp. My dad worked for a mining company, and it was private land
but we could go there. It was magical. There was a water pump, grass
growing around the pump in a lawn about 15' acoss (very unusual for that
elevation in New Mexico), and a blasted-from-rock "cave" nobody had worked in
for a long time.

Sandra

Nora or Devereaux Cannon

Badger it is - we walked down to our neighbor and asked her. She
has lived here and handled the animals for 50 years. "Handling"
was what triggered the idea for me. Apparently badgers have a 10
to 12 year natural cycle in an area. The last time they were
prevalent here we had just moved in.

Thanks for all of the ideas. Having them lead me to one our 6
can access whenever she wants is great.
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Searching for a source


|
| In a message dated 3/17/03 6:02:27 AM, dcannon@... writes:
|
| << I would have
| never thought about it. I don't "think" deer - though I am no
| expert, because they were 12 inches off the ground, and on the
| prong pointed down she says. I am sure she is accurate on the
| height - whether it was actually caught by something moving
under
| the fence is pretty open to mis-interpretation.
| >>
|
| A taxidermist would recognize the texture, probably, even if
not the visual,
| because they TOUCH the stuff all the time. Do you have
badgers there?
| Porcupines? They have stripey hairs. The porcupine I was
familiar with did.
| We watched him decompose over the course of six or seven
years, when I was a
| kid. He was peacefully dead just inside an old horizontal mine
shaft where
| we used to camp. My dad worked for a mining company, and it
was private land
| but we could go there. It was magical. There was a water
pump, grass
| growing around the pump in a lawn about 15' acoss (very unusual
for that
| elevation in New Mexico), and a blasted-from-rock "cave" nobody
had worked in
| for a long time.
|
| Sandra
|
|
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