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My husband found an interesting article while he was perusing family.com (a
Disney site). If you go to the front page of family.com, there is a link to
an article called "One Mom's Homeschooling Saga".<A
HREF="http://family.go.com/">
www.family.com</A>

This article really burned me up! The mom who wrote it homeschooled her kids
for awhile (school-at-home). She decided it was high time to get them back
in school when they became confident and mature enough to handle it. She
discusses the "homeschooling horror stories" she heard during her
homeschooling time.
If her opinion had appeared on a message board somewhere, it would have still
irritated me, but hey - it's her opinion. The fact that Disney is featuring
on the front page of family.com, with no opportunity for rebuttal, is an
insult. What do you think? I plan to let Disney know that there are other
views that should be aired as well. Ugh. Of course, right under the article
is a banner for their annual national teacher award. Makes me queasy.

**** Kim ****
runs with scissors

silvertree

Okay, I read this article and I'm burning up right up along with you. I
guess some of us need to write to these folks! Something that seems to
happen rather frequently is that the people that are following school at
home ideas are the ones that seem to get put out there in the media. I also
notice that families that are trying to create a school at home have
children that usually want to return to school. Drives me nuts! No
creativity, no interesting life....dull, dull, dull. My dd is 12 and can't
imagine going to a school...she doesn't have time for it. The woman that
wrote the article had a deep attachment to this socialization thing of
teenagers...she painted this pathetic picture of a poor lonely boy at the
dining room table reading. We lead a vibrant, active and interesting
life...all of us. I pity those people that never open their eyes to drink
in the world around them.
Linda
who wonders why Kim is running with scissors?!

----- Original Message -----
From: <Monkeycoop@...>> This article really burned me up! The mom who
wrote it homeschooled her kids
> for awhile (school-at-home). She decided it was high time to get them
back
> in school when they became confident and mature enough to handle it. She
> discusses the "homeschooling horror stories" she heard during her
> homeschooling time.
> If her opinion had appeared on a message board somewhere, it would have
still
> irritated me, but hey - it's her opinion. The fact that Disney is
featuring
> on the front page of family.com, with no opportunity for rebuttal, is an
> insult. What do you think? I plan to let Disney know that there are
other
> views that should be aired as well. Ugh. Of course, right under the
article
> is a banner for their annual national teacher award. Makes me queasy.
>
> **** Kim ****
> runs with > -scissors
>

John O. Andersen

> Okay, I read this article and I'm burning up right up along with you. I
> guess some of us need to write to these folks!

Does anyone have an email address for the author? I'll happily join the
crusade.

> No creativity, no interesting life....dull, dull, dull.

A necessary component to condition people for an adulthood of predictable
mainstream behavior.

>We lead a vibrant, active and interesting life...all of us. I pity those
people that never open their eyes to drink
> in the world around them.

But mainstreamers who haven't been exposed to that, take refuge in the
erroneous belief that homeschooling is a subtle form of child abuse.

John Andersen

Campbell & Wyman

yes I agree that the article is upsetting but check out the following
article that was right below it in the same section. It isn't bad at all.
Let us not 'throw out the baby with the bath water'.
Brooke


Should You Teach Your Child at
Home?
HOMESCHOOLING'S POPULARITY IS GROWING
by Anne Pyburn

George Washington. Ben
Franklin. Thomas Edison.
Abraham Lincoln. Franklin
Roosevelt. Douglas MacAuthur.
Whoopi Goldberg. Quick�what
do these people all have in
common?

Most of us learned of these prominent people
within the
walls of a school building. (Okay, maybe not
Goldberg.)
What they have in common with each other is
that they
were all homeschooled.

Public education in a central location is
actually a fairly
recent development in human history, a
byproduct of the
industrial revolution which forced the roles of
family
members to change as parents left home to work. In
earlier times, whether in tutoring sessions at
the castle or
by following Mom and Dad around the field, barn or
shop, home was the place people learned the
skills they
needed to lead productive lives.

But what about socialization? How do homeschooling
parents handle subjects in which they
themselves are not
well versed? Is the whole thing even legal?

As a matter of fact, home schooling is legal in
all 50
states, subject to a variety of rules and
regulations. New
York requires that homeschoolers submit
individualized
home instruction plans (IHIPs), quarterly
reports and a
few other forms of documentation, but the
essential right
of parents to customize their children's
education has
been repeatedly upheld. Dissatisfaction with
public
schools and high private-school tuition costs
are leading
more and more parents to homeschool their
children.
Some parents teach at home because of
discomfort with
the values (or lack thereof) that their
children are being
exposed to in centralized schools. Others do it
simply
because they feel they can offer more enrichment.

They are not just a handful of discontented
families. The
National Home Education Research Institute,
surveying
homeschooling families in 1996 found 1.23 million
homeschooled students. (Public school
enrollment in
1993 was about 43.5 million). Since the 1980s,
homeschooling has been growing between 10 and 30
percent each year. The growth rate of
homeschooling in
New York State is approximately 20 percent,
according to New York State Teacher's Union data.

The reasons why so many families homeschool are as
various as the families involved. There are
fundamentalist Christian homeschooling networks
and
others dedicated to philosophies that lean
considerably
farther left.

BUT WHAT ABOUT GYM?
While it is illegal in New York State for
school districts
to allow homeschooled students to participate in
interscholastic sports�this is due to a regulation
forbidding "part-time instruction"�the rule
does not
apply to community sports leagues like Little
League,
Pop Warner or youth soccer. Certainly, it
doesn't apply
to family bike rides, hikes or swim lessons.
Homeschoolers do not seem to find the mandate that
physical education be provided "on a regular
basis"
overly difficult to fulfill.

Proponents of homeschooling say that even the more
esoteric subject areas are no problem. Sheryl
Samuel, a
Stone Ridge mother who homeschooled her son Seth
throughout his entire educational career, says
that one
fringe benefit is learning along with your child.

"Nothing says that you can't master algebra at
thirty-five, but if you'd rather not, all you
need to do is
look around and find mentors. People who love a
subject are often eager to share it, whether
for money,
for barter�maybe the child comes and does yard
work�or just for the satisfaction of teaching,"
Samuel
says. Her son went for long walks with a retired
physicist. "They'd kick a soccer ball around
and talk
about the physics of that."

THE SOCIAL SCENE
Samuel believes that although the socialization
children
receive while being homeschooled may be of a
different
variety than what takes place on the
playground, it is not
lacking. "At one point, we started to get so
involved
with our homeschooling network that we had to
make a
conscious effort to pull back and take some
time for
ourselves. It's really as social or as private
as you want
it to be," she says.

A "typical" day of homeschooling can contain any
number of ingredients. For example, a trip to
the store
can turn into a lesson in economics; a daily
newspaper
can become a lesson in language arts.
Homeschoolers
stress that not only are lessons all around,
but children
are, by nature, interested in learning them.

THE LOCAL BUREAUCRACY
Dealing with school district personnel can be
easy or
onerous, depending on the person in charge. Some
school districts have appointed staff who deal
specifically with homeschooling. In other
places, this
task falls to anyone from the harassed
secretary to the
school superintendent.

School districts are afforded a great deal of
latitude by
state regulations. They may decide on a case by
case
basis whether to assist homeschoolers by loaning
textbooks, allowing the use of libraries or
participation
in clubs and so on. Because some districts have
liability
and educational-process concerns, homeschoolers
often
cannot rely on them for much help, a situation
that has
contributed to the vitality of the networks
that these
people have formed on their own.

THE EVALUATION PROCESS
How do homeschoolers do in life? As with the
reasons
for homeschooling and the structure used to
achieve it,
the answers are as varied as the families
involved. Those
who go on to college have attended schools such as
Antioch, Hampshire, Cornell, Harvard, Cal Poly
Technical and others. Obviously, there are
homeschoolers out there doing something right.

But what about doing it wrong? What are the
pitfalls
that would cause home education to fail?

Glenn Nystrup of the Hudson Valley Learning Center
has worked with many homeschoolers as a tutor and
mentor and has seen both highly successful
situations
and those that don't work as well. "It can be
tough for
kids to accept that kind of authority from a
parent and
tough for them to start thinking of home as
school,"
Nystrup says. "I've seen people start out with
very good
intentions, run into resistance from the kids
and just
never build up the momentum they need to
fulfill their
child's potential." He advises seeking
assistance from
individuals like mentors and tutors or from
programs like
the E-School�started by Nystrup and partner Bram
Morenis�which offers guidance for homeschooling
families.

Clearly, the main requirements for success are
not a
teaching degree or an independent fortune, but
dedication, enthusiasm and sincere enjoyment of
your
child's company.

"I highly recommend it to anyone who genuinely
enjoys
spending lots of time with their children,"
Samuel says.

brynlee@...

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In a message dated 02/03/2000 12:15:43 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
silvertree@... writes:

<< Linda
who wonders why Kim is running with scissors?!
>>


She's just a rebel!! :):)

Nance

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In a message dated 02/03/2000 12:01:43 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
Monkeycoop@... writes:

<< und an interesting article while he was perusing family.com (a
Disney site). If you go to the front page of family.com, there is a link to
an article called "One Mom's Homeschooling Saga".<A
HREF="http://family.go.com/">
www.family.com</A>

This article really burned me up! The mom who wrote it homeschooled her
kids
for awhile (school-at-home). She decided it was high time to get them back
in school when they became confident and m >>


Well, it didn't burn me up. And I thought it was somewhat balanced by the
article just below it -- also about hsing and a lot more positive.

I think the reason I didn't get upset is that I think this woman made the
right choice for herself. Now, I don't really think she needed to spend all
this time and effort coming up with this elaborate justification for and
rationalization of what seems to work best for her and her family. But,
that's all I took it as. Not a condemnation of hsing. Just that it didn't
work long-term for her. Not everyone homeschools until the kids are 18 and
that's OK too. Not everyone is an unschooler and that's OK too.

IMO I thought it was more enlightened than I would expect from a big company
like Disney to include anything about hsing on their site. These 2 articles
are just the tip of the iceberg on the different experiences and opinions
abounding in hsing but they were still more than I was expecting from Disney.

IMO.

Nance

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In a message dated 2/2/2000 6:15:43 PM Central Standard Time,
silvertree@... writes:

<< Linda
who wonders why Kim is running with scissors?!
>>

OK, it's that whole refusing to submit to authority issue...
Remember your teacher or your mom screeching, "Don't run with those
scissors!!!" I was always in a hurry to do whatever I was gonna do with
those scissors and I trusted my own judgment enough to believe that I wasn't
going to eviscerate myself by falling on them. (of course now that I'm the
mom, I cringe when I see my boys running with scissors.)

**** Kim ****
runs with scissors

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In a message dated 2/2/2000 6:31:23 PM Central Standard Time,
brynlee@... writes:

<< yes I agree that the article is upsetting but check out the following
article that was right below it in the same section. It isn't bad at all. >>

You're right, that one is much better. I wonder if they have had some
negative response to the first article, because when I visited the site
yesterday, the second one wasn't there. Perhaps they felt they should
present a more balanced view. I'm glad you pointed the 2nd article out to me
or I wouldn't have known about it. Thanks!


**** Kim ****
runs with scissors

silvertree

Kim.
Lol, I figured it was something like that being on an unschooling list and
all!
Linda

----- Original Message -----
> OK, it's that whole refusing to submit to authority issue...
> Remember your teacher or your mom screeching, "Don't run with those
> scissors!!!" I was always in a hurry to do whatever I was gonna do with
> those scissors and I trusted my own judgment enough to believe that I
wasn't
> going to eviscerate myself by falling on them. (of course now that I'm
the
> mom, I cringe when I see my boys running with scissors.)
>
> **** Kim ****
> runs with scissors

silvertree

The second article wasn't on the site earlier in the day but thanks for
mentioning it as I'd like to check it out.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: <Marbleface@...>>
> This article really burned me up! The mom who wrote it homeschooled her
> kids
> for awhile (school-at-home). She decided it was high time to get them
back
> in school when they became confident and m >>
>
>
> Well, it didn't burn me up. And I thought it was somewhat balanced by the
> article just below it -- also about hsing and a lot more positive.
> Nance
>

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In a message dated 2/3/2000 8:06:25 AM Central Standard Time,
silvertree@... writes:

<< The second article wasn't on the site earlier in the day but thanks for
mentioning it as I'd like to check it out. >>
I read the second article (it was cut and pasted into the email last night)
but when I visit the site again today, it still isn't there. Where are you
finding it? Thanks

**** Kim ****
runs with scissors

[email protected]

I also went to family.com and the second article is not there. I am also not
finding it.

De in Illinois

David & Betsy Wright

I went there last night and read both articles for the first time - maybe if you had read the first article before the second one was posted, you are reading your cache version? (I don't really know what that means, but my cyberwise husband told me that once :0) Try refreshing your browser - it might help. Or maybe it's just gone and I have no clue what I'm talking about!!!!!!!!! <g>

I read both articles and found them both interesting, but rather bland. I told dh they were fairly vague, and probably meant for the general population who has not a clue about homeschooling. The rest of us are so much more familiar with hs/us that I thought it was pretty dull.

I agree that a homeschooling success story would have been a much better choice. This lady obviously doesn't really want to stay home, or hasn't found a way to do it that makes them happy. I thought it was sad that she says she likes having the few hours at night together to discuss what they all did in their separate lives. I want my kids to formulate their ideas and direction based on their own experiences, within our loving and nurturing home, not by what society and the media says.

They just don't really understand the freedom you can have if you're willing to be different- IMHO.
(it's lots of fun too - LOL)

Betsy Wright

The Wright Way To Homeschool
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/homeschoolingwrights
email: deejay@...
I can do everything through Him who strengthens me. Phillipians 4:13



----- Original Message -----
From: CaibL@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] irritating article re:homeschooling on family.com


From: CaibL@...

I also went to family.com and the second article is not there. I am also not
finding it.

De in Illinois

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In a message dated 02/03/2000 3:46:22 PM !!!First Boot!!!, CaibL@...
writes:

<< I also went to family.com and the second article is not there. I am also
not
finding it.

De in Illinois
>>


Try this:

http://family.go.com/Categories/Education/?clk=1000109

That's the page under Learning on Family.com and the link to the 2nd article
is right under the 1st.

Hope it works.

Nance

Mara Winders

The problem is the first article is linked form two places - the one
that we had the link to doesn't have the second article. You have to go
somewhere else to see them both listed. It's the first article that is
being highlighted on the main page - to even see the second you have to
go to the education section. Not exactly allowing a balanced view by
only linking one of them from the main page.

Mara

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In a message dated 2/3/2000 10:08:31 AM Central Standard Time,
deejay@... writes:

<< maybe if you had read the first article before the second one was posted,
you are reading your cache version? (I don't really know what that means,
but my cyberwise husband told me that once :0) Try refreshing your browser -
it might help. >>
Thanks, but no luck. I tried that first and I was so sure it would work! I
have virtually no computer savvy. :(


**** Kim ****
runs with scissors

Lynda

I had another take on this which I think bugged me even more! If she
doesn't like children and doesn't want to spend time with them, WHY IN THE
H*LL DID SHE HAVE ANY (excuse the screaming but these folks make me
angry)???? I mean, didn't she sound as if she didn't like her children
with her can't play with them and they take so much time and I'm happy that
home is home and school is school comments??? She probably has an Ezzo rod
in the corner!

And, as to socialization, good grief, perhaps we could send her son just
half of my son's, PLEASE!!!! If the phone rings one more time, I will
scream <g>

Lynda

----------
> From: "silvertree" <silvertree@...>
>
> Okay, I read this article and I'm burning up right up along with you. I
> guess some of us need to write to these folks! Something that seems to
> happen rather frequently is that the people that are following school at
> home ideas are the ones that seem to get put out there in the media. I
also
> notice that families that are trying to create a school at home have
> children that usually want to return to school. Drives me nuts! No
> creativity, no interesting life....dull, dull, dull. My dd is 12 and
can't
> imagine going to a school...she doesn't have time for it. The woman that
> wrote the article had a deep attachment to this socialization thing of
> teenagers...she painted this pathetic picture of a poor lonely boy at the
> dining room table reading. We lead a vibrant, active and interesting
> life...all of us. I pity those people that never open their eyes to
drink
> in the world around them.
> Linda
> who wonders why Kim is running with scissors?!

Lynda

Because she can <g> and mommy can't tell her not to anymore <g>

Lynda

----------
> From: Marbleface@...
>
> In a message dated 02/03/2000 12:15:43 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
> silvertree@... writes:
>
> << Linda
> who wonders why Kim is running with scissors?!
> >>
>
>
> She's just a rebel!! :):)
>
> Nance
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Nance,

Thanks, I found the both articles. I also found that family.com has a
homeschool
center. I only looked through 4 articles and each one of them has something
negative to say about homeschooling. I think that I stick with reading
articles for HEM and Unschooling.

Dee in Illinois

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In a message dated 2/3/2000 7:39:30 PM Central Standard Time,
lurine@... writes:

<< Because she can <g> and mommy can't tell her not to anymore <g>
>>
That is absolutely correct. Hey, I walk on the wild side. What can I tell
ya?

**** Kim ****
runs with scissors

Tom & Nanci Kuykendall

Hey, I walk on the wild side. What can I tell
>ya?
>
>**** Kim ****
>runs with scissors


You mean you RUN on the wild side...

Nanci K.

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In a message dated 2/4/2000 4:14:09 PM Central Standard Time,
tn-k4of5@... writes:

<< You mean you RUN on the wild side... >>
LOL. That's just it. My mother says that once I learned to run, I could not
be bothered with walking anymore. When my Andy had pneumonia last fall, she
told me about the time I was a toddler and had pneumonia. The doc was just
endlessly amused by my energy level during the illness, and told her I had
running pneumonia. She said, "Do you mean walking pneumonia?", and he said,
"No, evidently she's immune to that."

**** Kim ****
runs with scissors