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An acquaintance of mine was telling me about her daughter (12 yo) who was
spanked the other day in school in front of her peers, I can't remember the
offense. She was not surprised just noting something that happened.

Not wanting to offend her and make her defensive but still wanting to make
her think, I said I was appalled that schools still did that. I thought that
was abandoned years ago. She said Oh no but now you have to sign a consent
form to allow them to do it. I said I couldn't imagine a stranger laying a
hand on my child and me not going off the handle. And the embarrassment of
doing it in front of peers. I told her how I would feel if that happened to
me. Imagine signing a paper to allow your child to be hit. I know she does
spank at home as a form of punishment. She kind of paused for a minute and
thought about it. Not sure if anything came out of our little conversation
and of course we talked more about it.

It amazes her that I don't use punishment and yet have well Behaved kids. I
hate those words too "well behaved." No one ever says that about me. Is
that supposed to mean I am a good parent?
Anyway enough rambling for this morning.
Pam G.


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In a message dated 3/12/03 6:31:34 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:

<< THIS will help some people understand why I
think things are different in the South. >>

I'm not reading it. (Thanks for the warning.)
But things ARE different in the south, and people who try to deny it are
being inexplicably dense.

Sandra

Tia Leschke

>
> State Rep. Frank Attkisson, R-Kissimmee, argues that school boards should
be
> able to choose for themselves how to handle behavior problems. One
disruptive
> child, he said, can hinder an entire class's learning.

I wonder how many disruptive kids they'd have in a classroom if school was
voluntary.
>
> "The kids behave at school pretty much the way they've been allowed to
behave
> at home," he said. "The bottom line is we have to have law and order in
the
> school so teachers can teach and students can learn."

I wonder how he knows that.
Tia

Have a Nice Day!

Norma,

Is that link to your writings? I'd like to read them.

Kristen
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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:18 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: school spankings?


--- In [email protected], starsuncloud@c... wrote:
<>WARNING: The following post is deeply disturbing to non-violent,
non-punishment oriented parents. Unschoolers beware! Do not read if
violence towards children will ruin your day. Seriously. I can't
even believe this stuff still goes on in our schools. THIS will help
some people understand why I think things are different in the
South. Ugh.<>

If you really want to put yourself into total shock about what is
actually going on in the schools go get a job as a substitute
teacher, especially in an urban school system. I have written
volumes from my "in the trenches" experience as a sub. It is so much
worse than most can imagine. So if you live in an urban area and can
qualify for a sub license or certificate then try it, just for a
little while, and you will quickly know why we homeschool and why we
unschool. So much psychological brutality out there that it amazes
me. And the folks doing it really believe they are helping the
children. I even run into parents who still say to me that if the
schools would just reinstate the paddle that things would be much
better! I take the time to talk to them, to try to get them to
understand a different point of view. Sometimes I think a little bit
gets through. Most of the time, not.

And I don't live in Florida, or the south, but in the heart of the
midwest, in Ohio. Some days it is just too much and I can't sub
again for a long time. Right now I am about to do some other
contract work, which will give me another bit to write about,
correcting state proficiency exams from different states. That will
keep me out of the schools for the rest of this school year, but I am
sure I will have an even more interesting subject to report after six
months of learning all about these tests and how they are graded.

If you're not up to subjecting yourself to being in the schools just
rest assured that paddling is not the worst of what is going on in
many of them.

Norma
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SosinkyHS


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zenmomma *

>>A new study by a longtime family violence researcher suggests that spanked
>>children don't read or do math as well as their peers.>>

As if this is the point. <sigh> We can only hope it'll make spanking
unfavorable for school and test-oriented parents.

Life is good.
~Mary


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And I was outraged at one local school here giving cupcakes to students that
didn't get sent to the principal's office for a month, but not to the kids
with discipline "problems"!!!!
Spankings???????
Unbelievable.
Nancy inBC


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Dawn Ackroyd

Anyone have a link to this study?

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>>A new study by a longtime family violence researcher suggests that
spanked
>>children don't read or do math as well as their peers.>>

As if this is the point. <sigh> We can only hope it'll make spanking
unfavorable for school and test-oriented parents.

Life is good.
~Mary


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In a message dated 3/12/03 4:07:02 PM, dackroyd@... writes:

<< >>A new study by a longtime family violence researcher suggests that
spanked
>>children don't read or do math as well as their peers.>> >>

I'm reading mail backwards, so maybe it tells why, but here are my two first
ideas.

Genetics: Parents not bright enough to think of a better thing to do; kids
not as bright as their peers.

Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs proven again: Until a child feels safe, he can't
learn.

Sandra

Pamela Sorooshian

On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 07:06 AM, genant2@... wrote:

> It amazes her that I don't use punishment and yet have well Behaved
> kids. I
> hate those words too "well behaved." No one ever says that about me.
> Is
> that supposed to mean I am a good parent?

I don't punish either and have reasonably well-behaved kids.

But, I must admit that a new bumper sticker appeared on Roya's car
recently - it says, "Well behaved women seldom make history."

--pam

coyote's corner

Good Morning,
That bumper sticker & t-shirt are a couple of our best sellers!! We also
sell many "You're not the boss of me" (Kids size) and "Question Authority".

It's nice to see how the parents react and interact with their kids.

Janis

Coyotes Corner
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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 9:49 PM
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On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 07:06 AM, genant2@... wrote:

> It amazes her that I don't use punishment and yet have well Behaved
> kids. I
> hate those words too "well behaved." No one ever says that about me.
> Is
> that supposed to mean I am a good parent?

I don't punish either and have reasonably well-behaved kids.

But, I must admit that a new bumper sticker appeared on Roya's car
recently - it says, "Well behaved women seldom make history."

--pam




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