[Unschooling-dotcom] Movies and Learning
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I think it was a couple of weeks ago when someone posted a question about
children learning from movies, but I have been having mail problems and
am not sure who. Anyway, I wanted to post about my day yesterday when I
couldn't *stop* my 5dd(Jenni) from learning from a movie (or maybe I
could).
Yesterday evening I was really tired, cranky and kinda pre-fluish. I
opened up our sofa bed in the living room and asked Jenni to pick out a
tape to put in. She picked out "Volcano" and popped it in the VCR. It has
been years since I have seen it, and I forgot how graphic it gets. I
tried to persuade dd to pick out something else because of the gore, but
dd just really wanted this on. 3dd(Cyndi) was intently playing in another
room, so I told her fine, but if Cyndi, who is very sensitive to this
kind of thing, starts watching I want it off. I dozed off for a bit. She
nudges me and asks me how steam can burn clothes. I tell her that to the
best of my knowledge, it can't, and I go back to sleep. "Mom, why is that
pond bubbling?" There is a scene with a bubbling tar pit, that is heating
up from the underground heat being created from an unknown volcano. In my
dazed state I tell her that water bubbles when it boils. "Like when you
are cooking?" "Yes, now please let me get some sleep." Nudge, nudge. The
questions continue...."How hot is the water?", "If they put tea bags in
the pond could they make ice tea?", "They should throw some chickens and
carrots in and make chicken soup.", etc. etc. etc.
She continues like this throughout the movie. "What is lava?", "Are there
any volcanoes near us?", "Where do volcanos come from?", "How do doctors
fix burns?", etc.etc.etc. I answered what I could, told her to ask her
Dad a few, and finally told her to *just watch the movie*! As soon as the
movie finished, and I got in a total of about 20 minutes nap time, I
plopped the girls in their bubble bath. Next thing I know Cyndi (3dd) is
pushing a funnel down in the water with the bubbles oozing out the small
end and says, "Look Mommie, a volcano." So much for her not watching the
movie. Then she asks me to get her polly-people so they can get covered
by the ooze. So much for her sensitivity, too!<g>. Then we all get
dressed and crash on the sofa bed.
This morning when I woke up I was reflecting on yesterday's events, and
thought about how I really dropped the ball. So I was going to make it up
to Jenni, and make one of those mockup volcanoes, and find pictures and
stories, and try to answer dd's questions like they deserved to be
answered. Nope. Today she is not interested. What she was so intent on
learning yesterday, is of absolutely no interest today. I missed it. I
stifled her. What a horrible feeling. Can children learn from movies?
Only if given a chance....
Wende
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children learning from movies, but I have been having mail problems and
am not sure who. Anyway, I wanted to post about my day yesterday when I
couldn't *stop* my 5dd(Jenni) from learning from a movie (or maybe I
could).
Yesterday evening I was really tired, cranky and kinda pre-fluish. I
opened up our sofa bed in the living room and asked Jenni to pick out a
tape to put in. She picked out "Volcano" and popped it in the VCR. It has
been years since I have seen it, and I forgot how graphic it gets. I
tried to persuade dd to pick out something else because of the gore, but
dd just really wanted this on. 3dd(Cyndi) was intently playing in another
room, so I told her fine, but if Cyndi, who is very sensitive to this
kind of thing, starts watching I want it off. I dozed off for a bit. She
nudges me and asks me how steam can burn clothes. I tell her that to the
best of my knowledge, it can't, and I go back to sleep. "Mom, why is that
pond bubbling?" There is a scene with a bubbling tar pit, that is heating
up from the underground heat being created from an unknown volcano. In my
dazed state I tell her that water bubbles when it boils. "Like when you
are cooking?" "Yes, now please let me get some sleep." Nudge, nudge. The
questions continue...."How hot is the water?", "If they put tea bags in
the pond could they make ice tea?", "They should throw some chickens and
carrots in and make chicken soup.", etc. etc. etc.
She continues like this throughout the movie. "What is lava?", "Are there
any volcanoes near us?", "Where do volcanos come from?", "How do doctors
fix burns?", etc.etc.etc. I answered what I could, told her to ask her
Dad a few, and finally told her to *just watch the movie*! As soon as the
movie finished, and I got in a total of about 20 minutes nap time, I
plopped the girls in their bubble bath. Next thing I know Cyndi (3dd) is
pushing a funnel down in the water with the bubbles oozing out the small
end and says, "Look Mommie, a volcano." So much for her not watching the
movie. Then she asks me to get her polly-people so they can get covered
by the ooze. So much for her sensitivity, too!<g>. Then we all get
dressed and crash on the sofa bed.
This morning when I woke up I was reflecting on yesterday's events, and
thought about how I really dropped the ball. So I was going to make it up
to Jenni, and make one of those mockup volcanoes, and find pictures and
stories, and try to answer dd's questions like they deserved to be
answered. Nope. Today she is not interested. What she was so intent on
learning yesterday, is of absolutely no interest today. I missed it. I
stifled her. What a horrible feeling. Can children learn from movies?
Only if given a chance....
Wende
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In a message dated 3/10/03 2:14:58 PM, love-it-here@... writes:
<< Today she is not interested. What she was so intent on
learning yesterday, is of absolutely no interest today. I missed it. I
stifled her. >>
Don't worry. There are thousand of movies out there and more being made
every day. She won't forget what she saw and wondered that day. Her
"volcano unit" isn't over.
Sandra
<< Today she is not interested. What she was so intent on
learning yesterday, is of absolutely no interest today. I missed it. I
stifled her. >>
Don't worry. There are thousand of movies out there and more being made
every day. She won't forget what she saw and wondered that day. Her
"volcano unit" isn't over.
Sandra
mary krzyzanowski
Hi,
You said you felt cranky, tired and pre-fluish. You needed to rest and did
the best you could by answering your dd's questions. If you'd forced
yourself to stay awake and do some volcano-related reading/project your
daughters wouldn't have come up with their own questions, conclusions and
projects (funnel in tub). They'd also end up with a very cranky, tired and
sick mom the next day.
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You said you felt cranky, tired and pre-fluish. You needed to rest and did
the best you could by answering your dd's questions. If you'd forced
yourself to stay awake and do some volcano-related reading/project your
daughters wouldn't have come up with their own questions, conclusions and
projects (funnel in tub). They'd also end up with a very cranky, tired and
sick mom the next day.
Mary-NY
>From: love-it-here@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Movies and Learning
>Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:01:33 -0500
>
>
>I think it was a couple of weeks ago when someone posted a question about
>children learning from movies, but I have been having mail problems and
>am not sure who. Anyway, I wanted to post about my day yesterday when I
>couldn't *stop* my 5dd(Jenni) from learning from a movie (or maybe I
>could).
>
>Yesterday evening I was really tired, cranky and kinda pre-fluish. I
>opened up our sofa bed in the living room and asked Jenni to pick out a
>tape to put in. She picked out "Volcano" and popped it in the VCR. It has
>been years since I have seen it, and I forgot how graphic it gets. I
>tried to persuade dd to pick out something else because of the gore, but
>dd just really wanted this on. 3dd(Cyndi) was intently playing in another
>room, so I told her fine, but if Cyndi, who is very sensitive to this
>kind of thing, starts watching I want it off. I dozed off for a bit. She
>nudges me and asks me how steam can burn clothes. I tell her that to the
>best of my knowledge, it can't, and I go back to sleep. "Mom, why is that
>pond bubbling?" There is a scene with a bubbling tar pit, that is heating
>up from the underground heat being created from an unknown volcano. In my
>dazed state I tell her that water bubbles when it boils. "Like when you
>are cooking?" "Yes, now please let me get some sleep." Nudge, nudge. The
>questions continue...."How hot is the water?", "If they put tea bags in
>the pond could they make ice tea?", "They should throw some chickens and
>carrots in and make chicken soup.", etc. etc. etc.
>She continues like this throughout the movie. "What is lava?", "Are there
>any volcanoes near us?", "Where do volcanos come from?", "How do doctors
>fix burns?", etc.etc.etc. I answered what I could, told her to ask her
>Dad a few, and finally told her to *just watch the movie*! As soon as the
>movie finished, and I got in a total of about 20 minutes nap time, I
>plopped the girls in their bubble bath. Next thing I know Cyndi (3dd) is
>pushing a funnel down in the water with the bubbles oozing out the small
>end and says, "Look Mommie, a volcano." So much for her not watching the
>movie. Then she asks me to get her polly-people so they can get covered
>by the ooze. So much for her sensitivity, too!<g>. Then we all get
>dressed and crash on the sofa bed.
>
>This morning when I woke up I was reflecting on yesterday's events, and
>thought about how I really dropped the ball. So I was going to make it up
>to Jenni, and make one of those mockup volcanoes, and find pictures and
>stories, and try to answer dd's questions like they deserved to be
>answered. Nope. Today she is not interested. What she was so intent on
>learning yesterday, is of absolutely no interest today. I missed it. I
>stifled her. What a horrible feeling. Can children learn from movies?
>Only if given a chance....
>
>Wende
>
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Hi Mary,
But that was the thing. I didn't do the best I could.
questions,
conclusions and projects (funnel in tub). >
Very true.
<They'd also end up with a very cranky, tired and sick mom the next
day.>
I did feel better yesterday. Thanks for the input.
Wende
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> You needed to rest and did the best you could by answering your dd'squestions. >
But that was the thing. I didn't do the best I could.
> If you'd forced yourself to stay awake and do some volcano-relatedreading/project your daughters wouldn't have come up with their own
questions,
conclusions and projects (funnel in tub). >
Very true.
<They'd also end up with a very cranky, tired and sick mom the next
day.>
I did feel better yesterday. Thanks for the input.
Wende
> >From: love-it-here@...________________________________________________________________
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Movies and Learning
> >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:01:33 -0500
> >
> >
> >I think it was a couple of weeks ago when someone posted a question
> about
> >children learning from movies, but I have been having mail problems
> and
> >am not sure who. Anyway, I wanted to post about my day yesterday
> when I
> >couldn't *stop* my 5dd(Jenni) from learning from a movie (or maybe
> I
> >could).
> >
> >Yesterday evening I was really tired, cranky and kinda pre-fluish.
> I
> >opened up our sofa bed in the living room and asked Jenni to pick
> out a
> >tape to put in. She picked out "Volcano" and popped it in the VCR.
> It has
> >been years since I have seen it, and I forgot how graphic it gets.
> I
> >tried to persuade dd to pick out something else because of the
> gore, but
> >dd just really wanted this on. 3dd(Cyndi) was intently playing in
> another
> >room, so I told her fine, but if Cyndi, who is very sensitive to
> this
> >kind of thing, starts watching I want it off. I dozed off for a
> bit. She
> >nudges me and asks me how steam can burn clothes. I tell her that
> to the
> >best of my knowledge, it can't, and I go back to sleep. "Mom, why
> is that
> >pond bubbling?" There is a scene with a bubbling tar pit, that is
> heating
> >up from the underground heat being created from an unknown volcano.
> In my
> >dazed state I tell her that water bubbles when it boils. "Like when
> you
> >are cooking?" "Yes, now please let me get some sleep." Nudge,
> nudge. The
> >questions continue...."How hot is the water?", "If they put tea
> bags in
> >the pond could they make ice tea?", "They should throw some
> chickens and
> >carrots in and make chicken soup.", etc. etc. etc.
> >She continues like this throughout the movie. "What is lava?", "Are
> there
> >any volcanoes near us?", "Where do volcanos come from?", "How do
> doctors
> >fix burns?", etc.etc.etc. I answered what I could, told her to ask
> her
> >Dad a few, and finally told her to *just watch the movie*! As soon
> as the
> >movie finished, and I got in a total of about 20 minutes nap time,
> I
> >plopped the girls in their bubble bath. Next thing I know Cyndi
> (3dd) is
> >pushing a funnel down in the water with the bubbles oozing out the
> small
> >end and says, "Look Mommie, a volcano." So much for her not
> watching the
> >movie. Then she asks me to get her polly-people so they can get
> covered
> >by the ooze. So much for her sensitivity, too!<g>. Then we all get
> >dressed and crash on the sofa bed.
> >
> >This morning when I woke up I was reflecting on yesterday's events,
> and
> >thought about how I really dropped the ball. So I was going to make
> it up
> >to Jenni, and make one of those mockup volcanoes, and find pictures
> and
> >stories, and try to answer dd's questions like they deserved to be
> >answered. Nope. Today she is not interested. What she was so intent
> on
> >learning yesterday, is of absolutely no interest today. I missed
> it. I
> >stifled her. What a horrible feeling. Can children learn from
> movies?
> >Only if given a chance....
> >
> >Wende
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:20:51 EST SandraDodd@... writes:
wanted to open. As she was putting it together she asked me what "Haw-wy"
was. I looked at the word she was pointing to and told her that "Hawaii"
was some islands in the Pacific Ocean. Then she said matter-of-factly
"Hawaii has volcanoes". She learned this in her own time, in her own way.
things like planning a "volcano unit". I have problems remembering to let
things take their natural course.
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> Don't worry. There are thousand of movies out there and more beingJust last night she had found a new puzzle of the United States that she
> made every day. She won't forget what she saw and wondered that day.
>
wanted to open. As she was putting it together she asked me what "Haw-wy"
was. I looked at the word she was pointing to and told her that "Hawaii"
was some islands in the Pacific Ocean. Then she said matter-of-factly
"Hawaii has volcanoes". She learned this in her own time, in her own way.
> Her "volcano unit" isn't over.>When I mess up I tend to go way overboard trying to fix things, by doing
things like planning a "volcano unit". I have problems remembering to let
things take their natural course.
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Gary m and Mary Anne Taylor
Hi, My name's Mary T. and I've been reading for a month- I have a lot to thank you guys for.
Just wanted to tell loveithere @ juno (sorry haven't got names straight) about an experience I had after reading her post last night about her dd and the volcano movie:
It was about 10 PM (previously known as 'after bed time') after a very long and exhausting day and my 9dd was drawing a person at the table.
She said 'I can't draw!", so we talked about how people get better at things-usually by doing the ones they like. We have a book about drawing and I asked her again if she'd like to see some of their hints about drawing people. I told her that morning would be a better time to do this, having that dreaded feeling that my patience was at an end.
'No, I need to do it now". OK. Previously I would have been tempted to make her go to bed even though she'd be mad at me, but we gave it another try. She drew a couple of people in the method of the drawing book and came to bed happy and probably went to sleep faster too.
Take that! Rule gods! Hah!
So, loveithere, we benefitted from your post, and I think Sandra is right, you'll have other chances with volcanoes.
I think you can also overdo it with all kinds of info/activities for an interest- I'm sure you don't but I have done that with my kids. It's hard for me to stop after their interest has been long satisfied. Kind of like feeding them after they're full.
Mary (unschooling myself in unschooling)
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Just wanted to tell loveithere @ juno (sorry haven't got names straight) about an experience I had after reading her post last night about her dd and the volcano movie:
It was about 10 PM (previously known as 'after bed time') after a very long and exhausting day and my 9dd was drawing a person at the table.
She said 'I can't draw!", so we talked about how people get better at things-usually by doing the ones they like. We have a book about drawing and I asked her again if she'd like to see some of their hints about drawing people. I told her that morning would be a better time to do this, having that dreaded feeling that my patience was at an end.
'No, I need to do it now". OK. Previously I would have been tempted to make her go to bed even though she'd be mad at me, but we gave it another try. She drew a couple of people in the method of the drawing book and came to bed happy and probably went to sleep faster too.
Take that! Rule gods! Hah!
So, loveithere, we benefitted from your post, and I think Sandra is right, you'll have other chances with volcanoes.
I think you can also overdo it with all kinds of info/activities for an interest- I'm sure you don't but I have done that with my kids. It's hard for me to stop after their interest has been long satisfied. Kind of like feeding them after they're full.
Mary (unschooling myself in unschooling)
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Tia Leschke
> > You needed to rest and did the best you could by answering your dd'sYes you did. You did the best you could at the time under those
> questions. >
>
> But that was the thing. I didn't do the best I could.
circumstances. Don't beat yourself up! <g>
Tia
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Hi Mary T,
Doesn't it feel great breaking the "rules" and having such a better
outcome. This list has made me rethink a lot of things that were
previously just accepted as so. Now it really bothers me when my old,
learned behaviors sneak in and I don't control them in time. Some of the
most fun and educational times have occurred when breaking the rules.
Like when my children wanted to play outside in the snow at 12:00am
because there was finally enough of the white stuff to build snow bricks.
Like when they wanted to get baths with their bathing suits on. Or like
when they wanted to watch a movie I really didn't feel was "fit" for
young children. These things may be no-brainers for some, but for me they
are a real struggle. I can always hear my Mom in the background "you
can't do that". "But why?" "Because things just aren't done that way."
Why the heck not??? Nobody is getting hurt. We are having fun. We are
learning. It was great that your daughter got to stay up late to draw.
Mary said:
hard for me to stop after their interest has been long satisfied. Kind
of like feeding them after they're full. >
I *do* do this. They will mention something they are interested in and I
will go way overboard to make sure they have enough information to get
what they are looking for out of it. I don't feed them after they are
full, per se. But I do load the table with so much food that they don't
know what to choose from, and end up just nibbling here and there. I just
have to keep reminding myself that *they* will take what *they* need.
Wende
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Doesn't it feel great breaking the "rules" and having such a better
outcome. This list has made me rethink a lot of things that were
previously just accepted as so. Now it really bothers me when my old,
learned behaviors sneak in and I don't control them in time. Some of the
most fun and educational times have occurred when breaking the rules.
Like when my children wanted to play outside in the snow at 12:00am
because there was finally enough of the white stuff to build snow bricks.
Like when they wanted to get baths with their bathing suits on. Or like
when they wanted to watch a movie I really didn't feel was "fit" for
young children. These things may be no-brainers for some, but for me they
are a real struggle. I can always hear my Mom in the background "you
can't do that". "But why?" "Because things just aren't done that way."
Why the heck not??? Nobody is getting hurt. We are having fun. We are
learning. It was great that your daughter got to stay up late to draw.
Mary said:
> I think you can also overdo it with all kinds of info/activities foran interest- I'm sure you don't but I have done that with my kids. It's
hard for me to stop after their interest has been long satisfied. Kind
of like feeding them after they're full. >
I *do* do this. They will mention something they are interested in and I
will go way overboard to make sure they have enough information to get
what they are looking for out of it. I don't feed them after they are
full, per se. But I do load the table with so much food that they don't
know what to choose from, and end up just nibbling here and there. I just
have to keep reminding myself that *they* will take what *they* need.
Wende
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>>She drew a couple of people in the method of the drawing book and came toTake that! Rule gods! Hah!>>
>>bed happy and probably went to sleep faster too.
I love it! Thanks for sharing.
>>Mary (unschooling myself in unschooling)>>Wow, another Mary! Welcome. :o)
Life is good.
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Marie A. in NY
Hello,
I wanted to put my thoughts in to " Movies and Learning " I find my son learns a great deal from Movies and Learning channels like the History Channel, This is one of his favorites.
My Brother and my Husband watch a lot of this type of stuff. I think it has a big influence on what he decides to watch. My son will ask a lot of question of them not me. ( Mom does not know anything sind rum).
He has come to me lately and said when he watches a lot of the movies he watched as a young child, along with some of the cartoons. He has picked up on allot of things he did not realize was in the content. Adult hummer in cartoons. Ideas and information from movies, such as Volcano. This is one of our favorite along with Twister.
I too tend to go out and buy all I can on items of interest. I learned the hard way to slow down and wait to see what he wants. Books, software, etc. I bought 2 books at about $20 each, now they sit. They even have software that came with it.
I think I may have to read these myself. They are of interest to him but he says right now he wants to read the informational books on line. He down loads them.
I too seam to be just warn out right about the time my Son wants to talk or ask questions. Or at the time, that he wants to inform me, of what he has been doing ,his thoughts on something he saw, heard. or has been working on..
I work full time and we sometimes miss each other sense our sleeping patterns are sometimes different.
I use to feel guilt for not giving him enough attention. But have learned that when he whats me he will " NUDGE" me out of a sleep to inform. or ask questions on what he can not find out on his own.
Learning for my son has always been independent. We are still de schooling. My son still asked to go back to PS. He has to be reminded of the HORROR.
Good luck to you all. Sorry this is so long. THANKS for reading. Have a good day!
Happy St. Patrick's Day!!
Marie Alexander
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I wanted to put my thoughts in to " Movies and Learning " I find my son learns a great deal from Movies and Learning channels like the History Channel, This is one of his favorites.
My Brother and my Husband watch a lot of this type of stuff. I think it has a big influence on what he decides to watch. My son will ask a lot of question of them not me. ( Mom does not know anything sind rum).
He has come to me lately and said when he watches a lot of the movies he watched as a young child, along with some of the cartoons. He has picked up on allot of things he did not realize was in the content. Adult hummer in cartoons. Ideas and information from movies, such as Volcano. This is one of our favorite along with Twister.
I too tend to go out and buy all I can on items of interest. I learned the hard way to slow down and wait to see what he wants. Books, software, etc. I bought 2 books at about $20 each, now they sit. They even have software that came with it.
I think I may have to read these myself. They are of interest to him but he says right now he wants to read the informational books on line. He down loads them.
I too seam to be just warn out right about the time my Son wants to talk or ask questions. Or at the time, that he wants to inform me, of what he has been doing ,his thoughts on something he saw, heard. or has been working on..
I work full time and we sometimes miss each other sense our sleeping patterns are sometimes different.
I use to feel guilt for not giving him enough attention. But have learned that when he whats me he will " NUDGE" me out of a sleep to inform. or ask questions on what he can not find out on his own.
Learning for my son has always been independent. We are still de schooling. My son still asked to go back to PS. He has to be reminded of the HORROR.
Good luck to you all. Sorry this is so long. THANKS for reading. Have a good day!
Happy St. Patrick's Day!!
Marie Alexander
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