Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Olean teen gets detention for hanging peace posters ...
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In a message dated 3/10/2003 10:03:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
angelwings14513@... writes:
their child in public schools either.
An attorney once told me (and she sits on the school board) that a school is
the ONLY place in America where a child has no protection of rights under the
law.
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angelwings14513@... writes:
> Pass this on, please. Students have virtually noI've found that schools often try to act like PARENTS have no rights over
> rights in public schools. Time to change that.
>
their child in public schools either.
An attorney once told me (and she sits on the school board) that a school is
the ONLY place in America where a child has no protection of rights under the
law.
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In a message dated 3/10/2003 12:21:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dackroyd@... writes:
not even tried to suspend the student for trying to create a mob scene.
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dackroyd@... writes:
> Does the school have a rule that you cannot hang posters? Or justI'm sure the high schools in my County would have reacted the same way, if
> certain types of posters? The situation sounds bizarre.
>
not even tried to suspend the student for trying to create a mob scene.
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Sorcha
>>I've found that schools often try to act like PARENTS have no rightsover
their child in public schools either.
An attorney once told me (and she sits on the school board) that a
school is
the ONLY place in America where a child has no protection of rights
under the
law.<<
Yes, that's called "en loci parentis" or something (Latin for "in place
of the parents"). By sending kids to a public school, parents are
giving the school parental authority over those children. That's why
they can search a locker without a search warrant, etc. I learned that
in my high school law class.
Sorcha
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In a message dated 3/10/03 10:36:18 AM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< > Does the school have a rule that you cannot hang posters? Or just
can't be posted.
What entity could have the government say "People can tape whatever they want
to the walls here and you can't touch it" ?
There's a guy in Albuquerque who's always painting and repainting the low
cinderblock wall of his yard with political stuff. It's his wall, though.
City building code people could probably cite something or other, but since
he repaints it frequently, what could they say?
But *I* don't have the right to go and post something on his wall.
If I wanted to make up posters (even 8.5x11 flyers) about unschooling, where
could I tape them up? Any store or window, I'd need permission from the
owner. Could I tape them up at the university? They're supposed to have
approval of someone, and be stamped with the removal date. Could I tape them
at the state capitol building? City Hall? Federal courthouse? So it's not
even a matter of whether taxpayer money paid for the building.
Most parking lots in town, I'd be violating code or littering if I passed
them out or put the under windshield wipers.
I could pay for a page in the newspaper, if the newspaper is interested in
having it (or the money for it).
Sandra
<< > Does the school have a rule that you cannot hang posters? Or just
> certain types of posters? The situation sounds bizarre.I think almost every building, city, anything has rules about what can and
> >>
can't be posted.
What entity could have the government say "People can tape whatever they want
to the walls here and you can't touch it" ?
There's a guy in Albuquerque who's always painting and repainting the low
cinderblock wall of his yard with political stuff. It's his wall, though.
City building code people could probably cite something or other, but since
he repaints it frequently, what could they say?
But *I* don't have the right to go and post something on his wall.
If I wanted to make up posters (even 8.5x11 flyers) about unschooling, where
could I tape them up? Any store or window, I'd need permission from the
owner. Could I tape them up at the university? They're supposed to have
approval of someone, and be stamped with the removal date. Could I tape them
at the state capitol building? City Hall? Federal courthouse? So it's not
even a matter of whether taxpayer money paid for the building.
Most parking lots in town, I'd be violating code or littering if I passed
them out or put the under windshield wipers.
I could pay for a page in the newspaper, if the newspaper is interested in
having it (or the money for it).
Sandra
Dawn Ackroyd
So then would you agree that the boy who has requested people to help
him out by calling his school to complain about him being on detention
is actually in the wrong? He should not have been hanging posters on the
wall and perhaps is right now just during the consequence.
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From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Olean teen gets detention for hanging
peace posters ...
In a message dated 3/10/03 10:36:18 AM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< > Does the school have a rule that you cannot hang posters? Or just
and
can't be posted.
What entity could have the government say "People can tape whatever they
want
to the walls here and you can't touch it" ?
There's a guy in Albuquerque who's always painting and repainting the
low
cinderblock wall of his yard with political stuff. It's his wall,
though.
City building code people could probably cite something or other, but
since
he repaints it frequently, what could they say?
But *I* don't have the right to go and post something on his wall.
If I wanted to make up posters (even 8.5x11 flyers) about unschooling,
where
could I tape them up? Any store or window, I'd need permission from the
owner. Could I tape them up at the university? They're supposed to
have
approval of someone, and be stamped with the removal date. Could I tape
them
at the state capitol building? City Hall? Federal courthouse? So
it's not
even a matter of whether taxpayer money paid for the building.
Most parking lots in town, I'd be violating code or littering if I
passed
them out or put the under windshield wipers.
I could pay for a page in the newspaper, if the newspaper is interested
in
having it (or the money for it).
Sandra
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him out by calling his school to complain about him being on detention
is actually in the wrong? He should not have been hanging posters on the
wall and perhaps is right now just during the consequence.
-----Original Message-----
From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Olean teen gets detention for hanging
peace posters ...
In a message dated 3/10/03 10:36:18 AM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< > Does the school have a rule that you cannot hang posters? Or just
> certain types of posters? The situation sounds bizarre.I think almost every building, city, anything has rules about what can
> >>
and
can't be posted.
What entity could have the government say "People can tape whatever they
want
to the walls here and you can't touch it" ?
There's a guy in Albuquerque who's always painting and repainting the
low
cinderblock wall of his yard with political stuff. It's his wall,
though.
City building code people could probably cite something or other, but
since
he repaints it frequently, what could they say?
But *I* don't have the right to go and post something on his wall.
If I wanted to make up posters (even 8.5x11 flyers) about unschooling,
where
could I tape them up? Any store or window, I'd need permission from the
owner. Could I tape them up at the university? They're supposed to
have
approval of someone, and be stamped with the removal date. Could I tape
them
at the state capitol building? City Hall? Federal courthouse? So
it's not
even a matter of whether taxpayer money paid for the building.
Most parking lots in town, I'd be violating code or littering if I
passed
them out or put the under windshield wipers.
I could pay for a page in the newspaper, if the newspaper is interested
in
having it (or the money for it).
Sandra
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In a message dated 3/10/03 1:12:15 PM, dackroyd@... writes:
<< So then would you agree that the boy who has requested people to help
him out by calling his school to complain about him being on detention
is actually in the wrong? >>
Pretty much, yes.
He can poster his whole house. He can put picket signs on the lawns of any
friends' families that agree to have them. But legally, he doesn't have the
right to paper the building.
IF you think he has that right, what if what a student chose to put up was
sexist, racist, dishonest, harmful, inflammatory war-mongering? What if
what he chose to put up was scatological humor about camel jockeys? Where's
the line? What "rights" DO you want schools to have?
Sandra
<< So then would you agree that the boy who has requested people to help
him out by calling his school to complain about him being on detention
is actually in the wrong? >>
Pretty much, yes.
He can poster his whole house. He can put picket signs on the lawns of any
friends' families that agree to have them. But legally, he doesn't have the
right to paper the building.
IF you think he has that right, what if what a student chose to put up was
sexist, racist, dishonest, harmful, inflammatory war-mongering? What if
what he chose to put up was scatological humor about camel jockeys? Where's
the line? What "rights" DO you want schools to have?
Sandra
Dawn Ackroyd
I agree with you. He's in the wrong.
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From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Olean teen gets detention for hanging
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In a message dated 3/10/03 1:12:15 PM, dackroyd@... writes:
<< So then would you agree that the boy who has requested people to help
him out by calling his school to complain about him being on detention
is actually in the wrong? >>
Pretty much, yes.
He can poster his whole house. He can put picket signs on the lawns of
any
friends' families that agree to have them. But legally, he doesn't have
the
right to paper the building.
IF you think he has that right, what if what a student chose to put up
was
sexist, racist, dishonest, harmful, inflammatory war-mongering? What
if
what he chose to put up was scatological humor about camel jockeys?
Where's
the line? What "rights" DO you want schools to have?
Sandra
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From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Olean teen gets detention for hanging
peace posters ...
In a message dated 3/10/03 1:12:15 PM, dackroyd@... writes:
<< So then would you agree that the boy who has requested people to help
him out by calling his school to complain about him being on detention
is actually in the wrong? >>
Pretty much, yes.
He can poster his whole house. He can put picket signs on the lawns of
any
friends' families that agree to have them. But legally, he doesn't have
the
right to paper the building.
IF you think he has that right, what if what a student chose to put up
was
sexist, racist, dishonest, harmful, inflammatory war-mongering? What
if
what he chose to put up was scatological humor about camel jockeys?
Where's
the line? What "rights" DO you want schools to have?
Sandra
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Mary Bianco
>From: SandraDodd@...<<Pretty much, yes.
He can poster his whole house. He can put picket signs on the lawns of any
friends' families that agree to have them. But legally, he doesn't have the
right to paper the building.
IF you think he has that right, what if what a student chose to put up was
sexist, racist, dishonest, harmful, inflammatory war-mongering? What if
what he chose to put up was scatological humor about camel jockeys? Where's
the line? What "rights" DO you want schools to have?>>
I think that punishment wasn't really necessary to get their point across.
Now if the kid asked and the answer was no and he continued doing it, I can
understand. But it seems to me they could have just made him take them all
down. If he refused, then it's a different story again. Detention seems
stupid but then again most schools do to me anyway. I stay out of school
business. Might seem like I'm part of the problem but I'm just not
interested. My local Target was shocked when I wouldn't give them a school
name to donate proceeds to from my credit card there. (money doesn't come
from me)
Mary B
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