distractability and drugs
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In a message dated 3/5/03 6:52:50 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< There are drugs to keep you from being distracted. >>
Yikes. I am SO lucky there was no Ritalin push when I was in school. It would
have ruined one of the best parts of me.
I find that although this trait can be frustrating when trying to clean...it
is a bonus when working on projects or multi-tasking.
I can have several things going at once and it doesn't stress me, I love the
stimulation. I like puttering here and there and keeping my interest level
high.
Right now I have about five writing projects going, planning for our
homeschool "Funfest", and working on a family recipe book. That's just my
personal stuff, not to mention all the kids projects and distractions.
I LIKE my ability to putter and mess about. It makes life interesting.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<< There are drugs to keep you from being distracted. >>
Yikes. I am SO lucky there was no Ritalin push when I was in school. It would
have ruined one of the best parts of me.
I find that although this trait can be frustrating when trying to clean...it
is a bonus when working on projects or multi-tasking.
I can have several things going at once and it doesn't stress me, I love the
stimulation. I like puttering here and there and keeping my interest level
high.
Right now I have about five writing projects going, planning for our
homeschool "Funfest", and working on a family recipe book. That's just my
personal stuff, not to mention all the kids projects and distractions.
I LIKE my ability to putter and mess about. It makes life interesting.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
sablehs
--- starsuncloud@... wrote:
I'm Tracy otherwise known as MooneDreamer and am
homeschooling/unschooling in NC. I have 3 DD ages 9 1/2, 7 and 3.{Hi
to anyone i know from other lists} I am {like Ren} trying to
incorporate unschooling into our whole lives not just including it
in what I see as their learning experiance. I dropped the
discription of myself as being the "teacher" long ago. :)
I have been listening and can only agree with the idea of things
that frustrate me in the end things would have been better if I
hadn't gotten so worked up. I am trying but I am a work in
progress.:b
I told the kids {after being encouraged from the list discussion as
well as general complaints from the hubbie about getting so worked
up about their room and other sorts of things} that I am trying and
I MAY fail {because I will have to retrain my thinking/reaction
patterns} but I will keep on trying. Because it is the environment I
want for them. :)
Anyway, my mom was a lifer in the PS system and even after
retirement she still works as a sub. {as well as one of my sisters
has been a teacher for years now}. So growing up I saw the
"background" most don't see of the public schools. Teachers {before
they had even met students} looking at the folders that follow the
child and talking about how much trouble or how "good" a child is.
BTW I am not fond of any type of a label that follows children. A
good label only stereotypes a child just the same as a negative
label. And though that child may have more opportunities then a
child labeled "uncooperative" it still can do harm due to
expectations.
My husband's grandmother was a secretary in the public school
system till her retirement, way back when. To say the least, our
families weren't impressed, especially at first. Though now, the
grandmother's mind {I think} has changed after seeing that my oldest
taught herself to read very fluently without pressure. She now brags
on how she helps her when she visits and they go shopping or when
driving. <G> Others have less to say as we go. My mom doesn't
pressure so much anymore, she doesn't like to debate me. I am a bit
hardheaded to say the least if I am protecting my freedom to raise
our children our way. LOL
Anyway about the Ritalin, before I was a solid homeschooler {as a
newbee without much experience and before we got our first computer~
oh about 4 or 5 years I forget LOL} my mom would say how she thought
my now middle DD needed it. NOT!! I already knew that was one of the
things they were not going to put in to their system.
I have heard so many negative things from my mom about kids and such
I think I was just afraid they might be next. I know I can never
teach {or should i say that she won't be willing to learn} new
tricks {aka her misconceptions won't completely fade about how kids
"should" be taught} and have all but given up trying to "prove" our
kids will be alright to others {mainly family both mine and my
husband's} They all have the same questions and comments over and
over no matter they explanation I give. Basically it is so simple it
is beyond them I suspect. And I just have the idea we will always be
looked upon as the black sheep. {my husband and I have always been
even before we met} LOL ~ With the {{tisk tisk}} attitude for our
kids. But hey, I can live with that. I live with them everyday and
know I am doing what's best for them.
Anyway, no, I am not new to unschooling and yes,sometimes I am
hesitant to use the term to describe our family. Mainly when I don't
want to argue or defend who/what I am generally to someone who
incorporates it in their whole lives, then I have thus far. IMHO
just not worth it in the end. I like the idea and have been
transcending over more and more but I don't think one can truly
change overnight. We just are who we are. I can see it has made me
personally less judgemental overall. Or maybe it is just having more
experience as a homeschooler in general. Whatever it is, that has to
be a good thing. <g>
Ok stepping down off my soapbox now! Sorry for the ramble. LOL
Tracy
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> In a message dated 3/5/03 6:52:50 PM Central Standard Time,Hello all,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << There are drugs to keep you from being distracted. >>
>
> Yikes. I am SO lucky there was no Ritalin push when I was in
> school. It would
> have ruined one of the best parts of me.
I'm Tracy otherwise known as MooneDreamer and am
homeschooling/unschooling in NC. I have 3 DD ages 9 1/2, 7 and 3.{Hi
to anyone i know from other lists} I am {like Ren} trying to
incorporate unschooling into our whole lives not just including it
in what I see as their learning experiance. I dropped the
discription of myself as being the "teacher" long ago. :)
I have been listening and can only agree with the idea of things
that frustrate me in the end things would have been better if I
hadn't gotten so worked up. I am trying but I am a work in
progress.:b
I told the kids {after being encouraged from the list discussion as
well as general complaints from the hubbie about getting so worked
up about their room and other sorts of things} that I am trying and
I MAY fail {because I will have to retrain my thinking/reaction
patterns} but I will keep on trying. Because it is the environment I
want for them. :)
Anyway, my mom was a lifer in the PS system and even after
retirement she still works as a sub. {as well as one of my sisters
has been a teacher for years now}. So growing up I saw the
"background" most don't see of the public schools. Teachers {before
they had even met students} looking at the folders that follow the
child and talking about how much trouble or how "good" a child is.
BTW I am not fond of any type of a label that follows children. A
good label only stereotypes a child just the same as a negative
label. And though that child may have more opportunities then a
child labeled "uncooperative" it still can do harm due to
expectations.
My husband's grandmother was a secretary in the public school
system till her retirement, way back when. To say the least, our
families weren't impressed, especially at first. Though now, the
grandmother's mind {I think} has changed after seeing that my oldest
taught herself to read very fluently without pressure. She now brags
on how she helps her when she visits and they go shopping or when
driving. <G> Others have less to say as we go. My mom doesn't
pressure so much anymore, she doesn't like to debate me. I am a bit
hardheaded to say the least if I am protecting my freedom to raise
our children our way. LOL
Anyway about the Ritalin, before I was a solid homeschooler {as a
newbee without much experience and before we got our first computer~
oh about 4 or 5 years I forget LOL} my mom would say how she thought
my now middle DD needed it. NOT!! I already knew that was one of the
things they were not going to put in to their system.
I have heard so many negative things from my mom about kids and such
I think I was just afraid they might be next. I know I can never
teach {or should i say that she won't be willing to learn} new
tricks {aka her misconceptions won't completely fade about how kids
"should" be taught} and have all but given up trying to "prove" our
kids will be alright to others {mainly family both mine and my
husband's} They all have the same questions and comments over and
over no matter they explanation I give. Basically it is so simple it
is beyond them I suspect. And I just have the idea we will always be
looked upon as the black sheep. {my husband and I have always been
even before we met} LOL ~ With the {{tisk tisk}} attitude for our
kids. But hey, I can live with that. I live with them everyday and
know I am doing what's best for them.
Anyway, no, I am not new to unschooling and yes,sometimes I am
hesitant to use the term to describe our family. Mainly when I don't
want to argue or defend who/what I am generally to someone who
incorporates it in their whole lives, then I have thus far. IMHO
just not worth it in the end. I like the idea and have been
transcending over more and more but I don't think one can truly
change overnight. We just are who we are. I can see it has made me
personally less judgemental overall. Or maybe it is just having more
experience as a homeschooler in general. Whatever it is, that has to
be a good thing. <g>
Ok stepping down off my soapbox now! Sorry for the ramble. LOL
Tracy
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In a message dated 3/6/03 1:58:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, sablehs@...
writes:
Where abouts in NC are you. We live in Valdese, near Hickory, in Western NC.
My DH and I have 2 boys, 6 and 8. Welcome to the list.
Pam G. (one of many Pams here).
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writes:
> I'm Tracy otherwise known as MooneDreamer and amHi Tracy,
> homeschooling/unschooling in NC. I have 3 DD ages 9 1/2, 7 and 3
Where abouts in NC are you. We live in Valdese, near Hickory, in Western NC.
My DH and I have 2 boys, 6 and 8. Welcome to the list.
Pam G. (one of many Pams here).
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Dear Tracy,
Thank You. You wrote:
characterization of the self of the child. On day one, they administer the
pre-test, and the results will undoubtably show "ignorance". They then will
busy themselves with their program, their treatment, their nostrom, and then
after some suitable time they administer the post-test, which of course,
shows "improvement". And with these "results", they immediatlely justify and
secure the position and power of all the significant stakeholders: the
teachers, the counselors, the principals, the parents, the school board, the
community elders.
And it would be a wonderful system indeed were it not for the two
crushingly brutal choices left to the child. They can remain "ignorant" (and
many do, they will stand up, right in front of you, and say "we're the 'dumb'
class"), or they can become "improvers". This central view of the child as an
"improver", is at the heart of usual and prevailing education. The whole
system is built on this social construct, and it is the child who carries the
entire system when they throw away their own self and and become an
"improver".
They, of course, do not give up their own self willingly, but only after
acute and chronic invasion, assault, ridicule and shame.
Warmest Regards,
Bill Richardson
afulltable.com
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Thank You. You wrote:
> Teachers {before they had even met students} looking at the folders thatAt the very core of usual and prevailing education, is the
> follow the
>
characterization of the self of the child. On day one, they administer the
pre-test, and the results will undoubtably show "ignorance". They then will
busy themselves with their program, their treatment, their nostrom, and then
after some suitable time they administer the post-test, which of course,
shows "improvement". And with these "results", they immediatlely justify and
secure the position and power of all the significant stakeholders: the
teachers, the counselors, the principals, the parents, the school board, the
community elders.
And it would be a wonderful system indeed were it not for the two
crushingly brutal choices left to the child. They can remain "ignorant" (and
many do, they will stand up, right in front of you, and say "we're the 'dumb'
class"), or they can become "improvers". This central view of the child as an
"improver", is at the heart of usual and prevailing education. The whole
system is built on this social construct, and it is the child who carries the
entire system when they throw away their own self and and become an
"improver".
They, of course, do not give up their own self willingly, but only after
acute and chronic invasion, assault, ridicule and shame.
Warmest Regards,
Bill Richardson
afulltable.com
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In a message dated 3/6/03 8:22:28 AM, Sugmapl@... writes:
<< And it would be a wonderful system indeed were it not for the two
crushingly brutal choices left to the child. They can remain "ignorant" (and
many do, they will stand up, right in front of you, and say "we're the 'dumb'
class"), or they can become "improvers". >>
This is true of schools, but doesn't apply to unschooling!
Sandra
<< And it would be a wonderful system indeed were it not for the two
crushingly brutal choices left to the child. They can remain "ignorant" (and
many do, they will stand up, right in front of you, and say "we're the 'dumb'
class"), or they can become "improvers". >>
This is true of schools, but doesn't apply to unschooling!
Sandra
sablehs
--- genant2@... wrote:
Tracy
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> In a message dated 3/6/03 1:58:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,We are in the Triangle area {Raleigh/Durham}.
> sablehs@...
> writes:
>
> > I'm Tracy otherwise known as MooneDreamer and am
> > homeschooling/unschooling in NC. I have 3 DD ages 9 1/2, 7 and 3
>
> Hi Tracy,
> Where abouts in NC are you. We live in Valdese, near Hickory, in
> Western NC.
> My DH and I have 2 boys, 6 and 8. Welcome to the list.
> Pam G. (one of many Pams here).
Tracy
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>Welcome to the list.
> --- genant2@... wrote:
> > Pam G. (one of many Pams here).Oh and Thanks for the welcome. :)
Tracy
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In a message dated 3/6/03 2:03:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, sablehs@...
writes:
Pam G.
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writes:
> We are in the Triangle area {Raleigh/Durham}.Lots of unschoolers there.
> Tracy
>
>
Pam G.
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