John Holt question
sorcha_aisling <[email protected]
I grabbed How Children Learn and How Children Fail at the library
tonight. Which should I read first? I thought I'd look at the
copyright date and see which was published first, but it seems they
were both originally published in 1964. Maybe I'm being way too anal
here and it doesn't matter which I read first but they look like
companion books and I thought it would make sense to read them in
order in case one built on the other. I've read some John Holt over
the years, but I haven't read any of his very first books.
Thanks,
Sorcha
tonight. Which should I read first? I thought I'd look at the
copyright date and see which was published first, but it seems they
were both originally published in 1964. Maybe I'm being way too anal
here and it doesn't matter which I read first but they look like
companion books and I thought it would make sense to read them in
order in case one built on the other. I've read some John Holt over
the years, but I haven't read any of his very first books.
Thanks,
Sorcha
Have a Nice Day!
I liked "How children Fail" first.
Kristen
Kristen
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From: sorcha_aisling <sorcha-aisling@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:45 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] John Holt question
I grabbed How Children Learn and How Children Fail at the library
tonight. Which should I read first? I thought I'd look at the
copyright date and see which was published first, but it seems they
were both originally published in 1964. Maybe I'm being way too anal
here and it doesn't matter which I read first but they look like
companion books and I thought it would make sense to read them in
order in case one built on the other. I've read some John Holt over
the years, but I haven't read any of his very first books.
Thanks,
Sorcha
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Sorcha
Thanks. :-)
>>I liked "How children Fail" first.<<[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Barda A. Allen
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:45:35 -0000
From: "sorcha_aisling <sorcha-aisling@...>"
<sorcha-aisling@...>
Subject: John Holt question
I grabbed How Children Learn and How Children Fail at the library
tonight. Which should I read first? I thought I'd look at the
copyright date and see which was published first, but it seems they
were both originally published in 1964. Maybe I'm being way too anal
here and it doesn't matter which I read first but they look like
companion books and I thought it would make sense to read them in
order in case one built on the other. I've read some John Holt over
the years, but I haven't read any of his very first books.
Thanks,
Sorcha
I think that when I read them, my wonderful friend Dorothy had me read How
Children Fail first and then read How children Learn.
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 02:45:35 -0000
From: "sorcha_aisling <sorcha-aisling@...>"
<sorcha-aisling@...>
Subject: John Holt question
I grabbed How Children Learn and How Children Fail at the library
tonight. Which should I read first? I thought I'd look at the
copyright date and see which was published first, but it seems they
were both originally published in 1964. Maybe I'm being way too anal
here and it doesn't matter which I read first but they look like
companion books and I thought it would make sense to read them in
order in case one built on the other. I've read some John Holt over
the years, but I haven't read any of his very first books.
Thanks,
Sorcha
I think that when I read them, my wonderful friend Dorothy had me read How
Children Fail first and then read How children Learn.
Peace and Love from a Spiritual Unschooler...
Barda
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on 2/27/03 9:45 PM, sorcha_aisling <sorcha-aisling@...> at
sorcha-aisling@... wrote:
and the later ones show his realization that it wouldn't work because
children didn't have the free choice to be there.
1964 - How Children Fail, by John Holt (Pitman Publishing)
1967 - How Children Learn, by John Holt (Dell)
1969 - The Underachieving School, by John Holt (Dell)
1970 - What Do I Do Monday?, by John Holt (Dell)
1974 - Escape from Childhood, by John Holt (Dell)
1976 - Instead of Education, by John Holt (E.P. Dutton)
1981 - Teach Your Own, by John Holt (Delacorte Press)
1989 - Learning All the Time, by John Holt (Addison-Wesley)
1990 - A Life Worth Living: The Selected Letters of John Holt, edited
by Susannah Sheffer (Ohio State Univ. Press)
1997 - Growing Without Schooling: A Record of a Grassroots Movement
(Holt/GWS)
sorcha-aisling@... wrote:
> I grabbed How Children Learn and How Children Fail at the libraryHere's the list in published order. The first ones are about school reform
> tonight. Which should I read first?
and the later ones show his realization that it wouldn't work because
children didn't have the free choice to be there.
1964 - How Children Fail, by John Holt (Pitman Publishing)
1967 - How Children Learn, by John Holt (Dell)
1969 - The Underachieving School, by John Holt (Dell)
1970 - What Do I Do Monday?, by John Holt (Dell)
1974 - Escape from Childhood, by John Holt (Dell)
1976 - Instead of Education, by John Holt (E.P. Dutton)
1981 - Teach Your Own, by John Holt (Delacorte Press)
1989 - Learning All the Time, by John Holt (Addison-Wesley)
1990 - A Life Worth Living: The Selected Letters of John Holt, edited
by Susannah Sheffer (Ohio State Univ. Press)
1997 - Growing Without Schooling: A Record of a Grassroots Movement
(Holt/GWS)
Vicki A. Dennis
My personal preference is How Children Fail. It has so many real life examples demonstrating WHY certain methods seldom work.
It is also from a viewpoint of JH changing his own assumptions because of his experiences. Provides good reasons to examine one's own ideas and move toward thinking in a different manner.
In my opinion, How Children Learn, was a little more "theoretical".
Escape from Childhood and Instead of Education are a little more "out there" for a "beginner", although when I re-read them years later they made MUCH more sense. I always compared the change in my reactions to be similar to the change from my early ideas that I "might" breastfeed for as "long" as six months to deciding that weaning at six months was very, very, early.
vicki
It is also from a viewpoint of JH changing his own assumptions because of his experiences. Provides good reasons to examine one's own ideas and move toward thinking in a different manner.
In my opinion, How Children Learn, was a little more "theoretical".
Escape from Childhood and Instead of Education are a little more "out there" for a "beginner", although when I re-read them years later they made MUCH more sense. I always compared the change in my reactions to be similar to the change from my early ideas that I "might" breastfeed for as "long" as six months to deciding that weaning at six months was very, very, early.
vicki
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> tonight. Which should I read first?
Have a Nice Day!
I just got done reading "Instead of Education" again. I REALLY enjoyed it.
Kristen
Kristen
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From: Vicki A. Dennis
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Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] John Holt question
My personal preference is How Children Fail. It has so many real life examples demonstrating WHY certain methods seldom work.
It is also from a viewpoint of JH changing his own assumptions because of his experiences. Provides good reasons to examine one's own ideas and move toward thinking in a different manner.
In my opinion, How Children Learn, was a little more "theoretical".
Escape from Childhood and Instead of Education are a little more "out there" for a "beginner", although when I re-read them years later they made MUCH more sense. I always compared the change in my reactions to be similar to the change from my early ideas that I "might" breastfeed for as "long" as six months to deciding that weaning at six months was very, very, early.
vicki
> I grabbed How Children Learn and How Children Fail at the library
> tonight. Which should I read first?
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Vicki A. Dennis
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Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:07 PM
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My personal preference is How Children Fail. It has so many real life examples demonstrating WHY certain methods seldom work.
It is also from a viewpoint of JH changing his own assumptions because of his experiences. Provides good reasons to examine one's own ideas and move toward thinking in a different manner.
In my opinion, How Children Learn, was a little more "theoretical".
Escape from Childhood and Instead of Education are a little more "out there" for a "beginner", although when I re-read them years later they made MUCH more sense. I always compared the change in my reactions to be similar to the change from my early ideas that I "might" breastfeed for as "long" as six months to deciding that weaning at six months was very, very, early.
vicki
> I grabbed How Children Learn and How Children Fail at the library
> tonight. Which should I read first?
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Sorcha
Thanks for the list; I've printed it for my binder. I read some John
Holt years ago but since I've never broken the habit of taking copious
notes when I read, my memory for what I've read is dim and since I've
lost my notes I'm not even sure which book(s) I've read. I only
remember his detailed description of children learning to talk and how
ridiculous it would be if it were broken down the way reading is, and
taught one "skill" at a time.
Sorcha
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Holt years ago but since I've never broken the habit of taking copious
notes when I read, my memory for what I've read is dim and since I've
lost my notes I'm not even sure which book(s) I've read. I only
remember his detailed description of children learning to talk and how
ridiculous it would be if it were broken down the way reading is, and
taught one "skill" at a time.
Sorcha
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