RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] PJs
Stephanie Elms
> Rain rarely wears pajamas and I've never much cared; she also (untilI had to laugh at this. I remember a conversation with my mom when Jason was
> maybe a year ago) wore the same beloved clothes for years, even though
> they had holes and stains. For me, and for our life, that wasn't an
> issue.
2 about the fact that she was worried because I did not make Jason change into
pjs. How would he learn that he was supposed to wear pjs. She also felt that it
was an important ritual to help him get ready for bed. I just never could
figure out how getting into a power struggle over clothes was good for him.
Now at 6 he wears pjs some nights and not others. I seriously doubt that it will
be an issue in the future... :o)
Stephanie
mary krzyzanowski
My kids often sleep in their clothes (sweats). Makes for less laundry. My
2yods will wear the same shirt for days. We jokingly say "that's the shirt
he'll be wearing to his grandpa's wedding".
Mary-NY
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2yods will wear the same shirt for days. We jokingly say "that's the shirt
he'll be wearing to his grandpa's wedding".
Mary-NY
>From: "Stephanie Elms" <stephanie.elms@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] PJs
>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:17:08 -0500
>
> > Rain rarely wears pajamas and I've never much cared; she also (until
> > maybe a year ago) wore the same beloved clothes for years, even though
> > they had holes and stains. For me, and for our life, that wasn't an
> > issue.
>
>I had to laugh at this. I remember a conversation with my mom when Jason
>was
>2 about the fact that she was worried because I did not make Jason change
>into
>pjs. How would he learn that he was supposed to wear pjs. She also felt
>that it
>was an important ritual to help him get ready for bed. I just never could
>figure out how getting into a power struggle over clothes was good for him.
>
>Now at 6 he wears pjs some nights and not others. I seriously doubt that it
>will
>be an issue in the future... :o)
>
>Stephanie
>
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In a message dated 2/15/2003 9:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
stephanie.elms@... writes:
that he was supposed to wear pjs? Shyrley---your mom must not have insisted
that YOU wear any either! (STILL missing Shyrley's birthday suit!)
What a crack up!
~Kelly
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stephanie.elms@... writes:
> 2 about the fact that she was worried because I did not make Jason changeThat's about the funniest thing I've heard in a while. How would he learn
> into
> pjs. How would he learn that he was supposed to wear pjs.
that he was supposed to wear pjs? Shyrley---your mom must not have insisted
that YOU wear any either! (STILL missing Shyrley's birthday suit!)
What a crack up!
~Kelly
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In a message dated 2/15/03 7:14:24 AM, stephanie.elms@...
writes:
<< I did not make Jason change into
pjs. How would he learn that he was supposed to wear pjs. >>
Keith's parents, the very conservative folks, wear full pajamas every night,
even when they're camping in their camper trailer.
My dad slept in his underwear and my mom would wear long flannel gowns, and
wake up and put a robe over and leave that on a long time. <g>
Keith sleeps naked unless there's a kid sleeping with him, and then he wears
underwear (afraid to get us in trouble, he said, and it makes sense). I
sleep in t-shirt and underwear.
Kirby slept in sweats until he got to where he liked just a t-shirt and boxer
shorts better. For a few years he was shy for anyone to see him in boxers.
Now he just parades around for hours, even if other people come over, in
boxers and t-shirt.
Marty likes long flannel pajama pants, with pockets. He wears jockey shorts,
but sleeps in those flannel pants, with or without a t-shirt, depending on
the season. Then he wears the pants until he's going to go somewhere.
Holly is a fashion queen of some sort, and owns pajamas and gowns, but often
sleeps in an oversized t-shirt, someone else's old favorite which she happily
claims for a nightshirt.
Keith's mom used to make the boys flannel pajamas when they were toddlers.
Nice ones that pulled over. The boys liked them okay, but Holly LOVED the
hand-me-downs. Her grandmother didn't like Holly liking those, so she would
make her girls' pajamas, with lace (itchy) and buttons (irritating) which
Holly never liked.
So we have failed, in the eyes of my in-laws, to pajama-train our children.
I figure they wear more pajama-like stuff (two of them, anyway) than their
parents do.
Sandra
writes:
<< I did not make Jason change into
pjs. How would he learn that he was supposed to wear pjs. >>
Keith's parents, the very conservative folks, wear full pajamas every night,
even when they're camping in their camper trailer.
My dad slept in his underwear and my mom would wear long flannel gowns, and
wake up and put a robe over and leave that on a long time. <g>
Keith sleeps naked unless there's a kid sleeping with him, and then he wears
underwear (afraid to get us in trouble, he said, and it makes sense). I
sleep in t-shirt and underwear.
Kirby slept in sweats until he got to where he liked just a t-shirt and boxer
shorts better. For a few years he was shy for anyone to see him in boxers.
Now he just parades around for hours, even if other people come over, in
boxers and t-shirt.
Marty likes long flannel pajama pants, with pockets. He wears jockey shorts,
but sleeps in those flannel pants, with or without a t-shirt, depending on
the season. Then he wears the pants until he's going to go somewhere.
Holly is a fashion queen of some sort, and owns pajamas and gowns, but often
sleeps in an oversized t-shirt, someone else's old favorite which she happily
claims for a nightshirt.
Keith's mom used to make the boys flannel pajamas when they were toddlers.
Nice ones that pulled over. The boys liked them okay, but Holly LOVED the
hand-me-downs. Her grandmother didn't like Holly liking those, so she would
make her girls' pajamas, with lace (itchy) and buttons (irritating) which
Holly never liked.
So we have failed, in the eyes of my in-laws, to pajama-train our children.
I figure they wear more pajama-like stuff (two of them, anyway) than their
parents do.
Sandra
Stephanie Elms
> > 2 about the fact that she was worried because I did notYeah, that is what I thought too (it being pretty funny...). I think that in
> make Jason change
> > into
> > pjs. How would he learn that he was supposed to wear pjs.
>
> That's about the funniest thing I've heard in a while. How
> would he learn
> that he was supposed to wear pjs? Shyrley---your mom must not
> have insisted
> that YOU wear any either! (STILL missing Shyrley's birthday suit!)
her mind it had something to do with teaching discipline, how would he
learn to do things that he has to do yadda yadda yadda. My mom is really big
on "nipping problems in the bud" where I tend to assume that he is a good kid
and try not to worry about things too much. So far it has worked...when Jason
was 9 months old, my mom told me that I needed to teach him how to wait when
I was doing things (like letting him cry while I did the dishes instead of putting
the dishes off till later). It has been nice to see that as he got older he has
gotten better at waiting and I did not need to cry for him to learn that...
Stephanie E.
Angela
Well, our kids are pajama trained and they trained themselves!! :0) They
put them on and unless we leave the house, they stay in them for days.
:0)Once in awhile someone will show up after supper and say to the kids "Oh,
look, you are all ready for bed" thinking they are good little kids for
getting ready so prompty. We just laugh knowing they just haven't gotten
dressed yet.
Angela in Maine-unschooling@...
http://userpages.prexar.com/rickshaw/
"What you are shouts so loudly in my ears I cannot hear what you say."
Emerson
So we have failed, in the eyes of my in-laws, to pajama-train our children.
I figure they wear more pajama-like stuff (two of them, anyway) than their
parents do.
Sandra
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put them on and unless we leave the house, they stay in them for days.
:0)Once in awhile someone will show up after supper and say to the kids "Oh,
look, you are all ready for bed" thinking they are good little kids for
getting ready so prompty. We just laugh knowing they just haven't gotten
dressed yet.
Angela in Maine-unschooling@...
http://userpages.prexar.com/rickshaw/
"What you are shouts so loudly in my ears I cannot hear what you say."
Emerson
So we have failed, in the eyes of my in-laws, to pajama-train our children.
I figure they wear more pajama-like stuff (two of them, anyway) than their
parents do.
Sandra
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In a message dated 2/15/03 10:46:42 AM, stephanie.elms@...
writes:
<< So far it has worked...when Jason
was 9 months old, my mom told me that I needed to teach him how to wait when
I was doing things (like letting him cry while I did the dishes instead of
putting
the dishes off till later). It has been nice to see that as he got older he
has
gotten better at waiting and I did not need to cry for him to learn that... >>
Since he learned it with or without the "teaching," it was best for both of
you that the negative aspects of the teaching were bypassed. Every moment he
would have spent crying was spent doing something better!
So if it works for "learning to wait,"
and for learning to read,
I'm betting a big chunk of my life that it will work for all kinds of other
things too!
Sandra
writes:
<< So far it has worked...when Jason
was 9 months old, my mom told me that I needed to teach him how to wait when
I was doing things (like letting him cry while I did the dishes instead of
putting
the dishes off till later). It has been nice to see that as he got older he
has
gotten better at waiting and I did not need to cry for him to learn that... >>
Since he learned it with or without the "teaching," it was best for both of
you that the negative aspects of the teaching were bypassed. Every moment he
would have spent crying was spent doing something better!
So if it works for "learning to wait,"
and for learning to read,
I'm betting a big chunk of my life that it will work for all kinds of other
things too!
Sandra
Pam Hartley
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 3042
Date: Sat, Feb 15, 2003, 9:17 AM
So we have failed, in the eyes of my in-laws, to pajama-train our children.
I figure they wear more pajama-like stuff (two of them, anyway) than their
parents do.
==========
As babies and toddlers and forward Brit and Mikey went to bed in whatever
they were wearing at the time, as long as it looked comfortable (if not,
something comfortable, from a onesie on up to t-shirts as they got older,
was put on instead).
Then they came to me, I think about 18 months or so ago (maybe a little
longer) and said, "Can we buy some pajamas?" <g>
So we bought some, and I alerted the relatives and they got more for their
birthdays or Christmas, and for quite awhile (like, months) after that they
would carefully change out of their clothes and into their pajamas nearly
every night after a bath or when it started getting late. You'd have
mistaken them for English butlers, they were so proper. <g>
Now they wear them sometimes as the whim strikes them, and sometimes go to
bed in whatever they happen to be wearing when they get tired.
Pam
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 3042
Date: Sat, Feb 15, 2003, 9:17 AM
So we have failed, in the eyes of my in-laws, to pajama-train our children.
I figure they wear more pajama-like stuff (two of them, anyway) than their
parents do.
==========
As babies and toddlers and forward Brit and Mikey went to bed in whatever
they were wearing at the time, as long as it looked comfortable (if not,
something comfortable, from a onesie on up to t-shirts as they got older,
was put on instead).
Then they came to me, I think about 18 months or so ago (maybe a little
longer) and said, "Can we buy some pajamas?" <g>
So we bought some, and I alerted the relatives and they got more for their
birthdays or Christmas, and for quite awhile (like, months) after that they
would carefully change out of their clothes and into their pajamas nearly
every night after a bath or when it started getting late. You'd have
mistaken them for English butlers, they were so proper. <g>
Now they wear them sometimes as the whim strikes them, and sometimes go to
bed in whatever they happen to be wearing when they get tired.
Pam
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zenmomma *
> > 2 about the fact that she was worried because I did not make JasonLOL! I KNOW I used to put Conor in pj's when he was little. I've noticed
>change
> > into
> > pjs. How would he learn that he was supposed to wear pjs.
>
>That's about the funniest thing I've heard in a while. How would he learn
>that he was supposed to wear pjs? Shyrley---your mom must not have insisted
>that YOU wear any either! (STILL missing Shyrley's birthday suit!)
>
>What a crack up!
lately that he sleeps in nothing but his boxers. Guess I didn't quiz him
enough on pj importance in everyday living. ;-)
Life is good.
~Mary
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Pam Hartley
> << Then they came to me, I think about 18 months or so ago (maybe a littleI think it was their cousin's lovely nightgowns that did it. Which is
> longer) and said, "Can we buy some pajamas?" <g>
> >>
>
> Okay, now *I* want to know where they got that idea.
> Was it watching TV?
certainly at least as bad as seeing it on TV: peer pressure you know!
> AND... here you raised your children the way you thought was right, only toTheir father would be thrilled. <g> Brit asked for a slingshot the other
> have them see some fictional TV thing, and they want to be like THOSE people
> instead of like you?
>
> Pajamas.
>
> Next they'll want UZIs.
day, I have to get Wally to track one down for her (she learned about
slingshots on The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time on our Playstation.
Now we see the true evil of video games. Except that I think slingshots are
pretty cool myself, maybe I'll get one, too.)
> Yesterday Holly was asking me what pharmacists do. I told her, and told herGeorge Carlin: "And you KNOW the pharmacist is on something. Every time I
> that not long ago they were required to study Latin and doctors and
> pharmacists communicated by secret and universal "code," but now they pretty
> much only dispense pre-made medicines from factories and advise on side
> effect. And that comes off the computer. So anyone want to defend the
> current educational requirements for dispensing pharmacists??
take in a prescription, it's, 'Oh, crap. Come back in like an hour, man, I
can't even READ right now!'"
Pam
P.S. Hmm. My handy-auto-spell-check does not claim "Ocarina" isn't a word! I
shall have to go and see what the dictionary says...
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In a message dated 2/15/2003 2:47:46 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
at night after tubby, if they've had one.
Today when I left for weaving, Nathan (4.5) was wearing his christmas striped
Hanna's, a blue tutu and hair scrunchie and a pink feather boa.
I love my jammies, too.
Elizabeth
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[email protected] writes:
> Well, our kids are pajama trained and they trained themselves!! :0) TheyMine would stay in their pjs forever too. I usually insist on a clean pair
> put them on and unless we leave the house, they stay in them for days.
>
at night after tubby, if they've had one.
Today when I left for weaving, Nathan (4.5) was wearing his christmas striped
Hanna's, a blue tutu and hair scrunchie and a pink feather boa.
I love my jammies, too.
Elizabeth
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In a message dated 2/15/03 2:15:11 PM, pamhartley@... writes:
<< Brit asked for a slingshot the other
day, I have to get Wally to track one down for her (she learned about
slingshots on The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time on our Playstation. >>
When Kirby was very little, one or two, he said if we went to Disneyland he
wanted to get a SIDar. I couldn't get any clearer on this thing he really
wanted. He was acting it out with his hands and I thought it was something
to eat, maybe, and was guessing like crazy. He said, "YOU KNOW. Like
Pinocchio." A puppet? A hat?
So I'm thinking and thinking. Nothing's coming to me.
Then one day the movie was on and he led me over to it and pointed.
CIGAR.
In the part where the boys have gone bad, they have cigars, and Kirby wanted
one too. <bwg>
Finally we DID go to Disneyland, and they don't even sell cigars. Another
marketting opportunity lost... So we bought a little bottle of water for $2
to drown our sorrows.
Sandra
<< Brit asked for a slingshot the other
day, I have to get Wally to track one down for her (she learned about
slingshots on The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time on our Playstation. >>
When Kirby was very little, one or two, he said if we went to Disneyland he
wanted to get a SIDar. I couldn't get any clearer on this thing he really
wanted. He was acting it out with his hands and I thought it was something
to eat, maybe, and was guessing like crazy. He said, "YOU KNOW. Like
Pinocchio." A puppet? A hat?
So I'm thinking and thinking. Nothing's coming to me.
Then one day the movie was on and he led me over to it and pointed.
CIGAR.
In the part where the boys have gone bad, they have cigars, and Kirby wanted
one too. <bwg>
Finally we DID go to Disneyland, and they don't even sell cigars. Another
marketting opportunity lost... So we bought a little bottle of water for $2
to drown our sorrows.
Sandra
marji
At 12:28 3/15/03 -0500, Shyrley wrote:
Marji, who sleeps in the raw ANYWAY! :-D
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>My mother always made us wear PJ's. In case there was a fire and we wouldI think I'd be giving the firefighters a fright! :-o
>have ti run outside!!
>I guess I'd be giving the firemen a thrill :-)
>
>Shyrley
Marji, who sleeps in the raw ANYWAY! :-D
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Shyrley
kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
I guess I'd be giving the firemen a thrill :-)
Shyrley
> In a message dated 2/15/2003 9:14:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,My mother always made us wear PJ's. In case there was a fire and we would have ti run outside!!
> stephanie.elms@... writes:
>
> > 2 about the fact that she was worried because I did not make Jason change
> > into
> > pjs. How would he learn that he was supposed to wear pjs.
>
> That's about the funniest thing I've heard in a while. How would he learn
> that he was supposed to wear pjs? Shyrley---your mom must not have insisted
> that YOU wear any either! (STILL missing Shyrley's birthday suit!)
>
> What a crack up!
>
> ~Kelly
>
I guess I'd be giving the firemen a thrill :-)
Shyrley