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But before I go, since someone asked I will say something about why I would consider myself unschooled as an adult, and the pitfalls of unschooling my sister and I have encountered. Remember, too, that I still support unschooling, maybe not such radical unschooling as many of you support, but a more moderate approach to unschooling.

I attended school on days when I felt like it, and stayed home when I felt like it, except when the school would send home notices or call my parents and tell them that I would fail my grade and be left back. At those times my mother would encourage me (but not insist) to go, even if I would rather stay home; she didn't know there were other options in the 60's. Grades were unimportant to them. I watched as much tv as I wanted, in fact, I was one of the only kids I knew who had unlimited access to television, including a television in my room -- and I watched a lot of tv! I went to bed when I wanted, I ate what I wanted, etc... My parents trusted my judgments, and let me make my own decisions. I was unconditionally loved, and I was supported in my decisions, to the best of may parent's abilities.

As adults, my sister and I have real problems with organization, persistence in difficult or unpleasant but necessary tasks - oh this clearly requires more time to explain, and I do not have the time - but the results are disorganized homes; difficulty finishing projects begun; unclaimed medical reimbursements due to loss of paperwork, or lapse of time; procrastination; this list goes on... There were incredible benefits, too: we felt treasured and respected, we are both quite creative and able to "think outside the box", our stress levels were nil; for the most part, it was a very happy childhood for both of us.

What I would like to strive for with my own children are the good aspects of the life we led, while gently guiding them away from the stumbling blocks. Oh this is all falling on so many deaf ears, so I don't know why I bothered, but these past couple of days posting to the list have been interesting, insightful, thought-provoking, but all too time-consuming. Best of luck to all of you on the paths you have chosen. I wish for all of you and your children the beauty that life has to offer, and lives filled with peace, purpose, and satisfaction. -- Lynda




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zenmomma *

>>I attended school on days when I felt like it, and stayed home when I felt
>>like it, except when the school would send home notices or call my parents
>>and tell them that I would fail my grade and be left back. At those times
>>my mother would encourage me (but not insist) to go, even if I would
>>rather stay home; she didn't know there were other options in the 60's.
>>Grades were unimportant to them. I watched as much tv as I wanted, in
>>fact, I was one of the only kids I knew who had unlimited access to
>>television, including a television in my room -- and I watched a lot of
>>tv! I went to bed when I wanted, I ate what I wanted, etc... My parents
>>trusted my judgments, and let me make my own decisions. I was
>>unconditionally loved, and I was supported in my decisions, to the best of
>>may parent's abilities.>>

Were your parents around interacting with you and your sister each day? Did
they think they were leaving your education to the experts or were they
guiding you, strewing your path and engaging your mind? On the days you
stayed home, what did they do with you?

Unschooling, even the most radical kind, does not mean leaving children
alone 24/7. It means staying connected, presenting new ideas, getting
excited with them over new discoveries, answering their questions and asking
more back. It's not neglect.

Life is good.
~Mary

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zenmomma *

>>It's not neglect.>>

Woops. I wasn't implying that your parents were neglectful. I want to make
that clear. :o) Just fishing around for more info and making a general
point.

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~Mary


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Do you mind if I forward this to the Pa list? I'd like to get a discussion going about unschooling again as things have gotten off topic of late.

Kristen
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>>I attended school on days when I felt like it, and stayed home when I felt
>>like it, except when the school would send home notices or call my parents
>>and tell them that I would fail my grade and be left back. At those times
>>my mother would encourage me (but not insist) to go, even if I would
>>rather stay home; she didn't know there were other options in the 60's.
>>Grades were unimportant to them. I watched as much tv as I wanted, in
>>fact, I was one of the only kids I knew who had unlimited access to
>>television, including a television in my room -- and I watched a lot of
>>tv! I went to bed when I wanted, I ate what I wanted, etc... My parents
>>trusted my judgments, and let me make my own decisions. I was
>>unconditionally loved, and I was supported in my decisions, to the best of
>>may parent's abilities.>>

Were your parents around interacting with you and your sister each day? Did
they think they were leaving your education to the experts or were they
guiding you, strewing your path and engaging your mind? On the days you
stayed home, what did they do with you?

Unschooling, even the most radical kind, does not mean leaving children
alone 24/7. It means staying connected, presenting new ideas, getting
excited with them over new discoveries, answering their questions and asking
more back. It's not neglect.

Life is good.
~Mary

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Lynda Elie <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], "zenmomma *"
<zenmomma@h...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>I attended school on days when I felt like it, and stayed home
when I felt
> >>like it, except when the school would send home notices or call
my parents
> >>and tell them that I would fail my grade and be left back. At
those times
> >>my mother would encourage me (but not insist) to go, even if I
would
> >>rather stay home; she didn't know there were other options in the
60's.
> >>Grades were unimportant to them. I watched as much tv as I
wanted, in
> >>fact, I was one of the only kids I knew who had unlimited access
to
> >>television, including a television in my room -- and I watched a
lot of
> >>tv! I went to bed when I wanted, I ate what I wanted, etc... My
parents
> >>trusted my judgments, and let me make my own decisions. I was
> >>unconditionally loved, and I was supported in my decisions, to
the best of
> >>may parent's abilities.>>
>
> Were your parents around interacting with you and your sister each
day? Did
> they think they were leaving your education to the experts or were
they
> guiding you, strewing your path and engaging your mind? On the days
you
> stayed home, what did they do with you?
>
> Unschooling, even the most radical kind, does not mean leaving
children
> alone 24/7. It means staying connected, presenting new ideas,
getting
> excited with them over new discoveries, answering their questions
and asking
> more back. It's not neglect.
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>
>Did it sound like I was neglected? Not at all. My parents spent
endless hours with us - more than any other parents I knew. And my
mother, in particular, spent endless hours of focused attention
talking with us, listening to us, supporting us, and filling our
world with opportunities. I only hope I can do the same for my
children. Love you Mom! -- Lynda


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zenmomma *

>>Mary,
>
>Do you mind if I forward this to the Pa list? I'd like to get a discussion
>going about unschooling again as things have gotten off topic of late.>>

I'm not sure what you mean. What Pa list? Off topic here on this list or the
Pa list?

Life is good.
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Oh sorry.

The Pa unschoolers list is where I meant (and also where we are a bit off topic lately). I was hoping to spark some discussion.

Kristen
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>>Mary,
>
>Do you mind if I forward this to the Pa list? I'd like to get a discussion
>going about unschooling again as things have gotten off topic of late.>>

I'm not sure what you mean. What Pa list? Off topic here on this list or the
Pa list?

Life is good.
~Mary

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zenmomma *

> >
> >Did it sound like I was neglected? Not at all. My parents spent
>endless hours with us - more than any other parents I knew. And my
>mother, in particular, spent endless hours of focused attention
>talking with us, listening to us, supporting us, and filling our
>world with opportunities. I only hope I can do the same for my
>children. Love you Mom! -- Lynda

Sorry Lynda for my poorly worded response. I sent another post already about
my misplaced use of the word neglect. Your parents sound great. :o)

Life is good.
~Mary


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--- In [email protected], Have a Nice Day!
<litlrooh@c...> wrote:

> The Pa unschoolers list is where I meant (and also where we are a
bit off topic lately). I was hoping to spark some discussion.
>
> Kristen

Oh now...Kristen, there are plenty of "sparks" happening on the PA
list. <b,h,g> Sorry...couldn't resist.

I agree, though...there hasn't been much "unschooling" discussion
happening.

See ya there!

Debbie

Have a Nice Day!

LOL.

UGH!

Kristen
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Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 6:19 PM
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--- In [email protected], Have a Nice Day!
<litlrooh@c...> wrote:

> The Pa unschoolers list is where I meant (and also where we are a
bit off topic lately). I was hoping to spark some discussion.
>
> Kristen

Oh now...Kristen, there are plenty of "sparks" happening on the PA
list. <b,h,g> Sorry...couldn't resist.

I agree, though...there hasn't been much "unschooling" discussion
happening.

See ya there!

Debbie



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zenmomma *

>>The Pa unschoolers list is where I meant (and also where we are a bit off
>>topic lately). I was hoping to spark some discussion.>>

Sure. forward away then. :o)

Life is good.
~Mary
>
>Kristen
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>
>
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>
>
> >>Mary,
> >
> >Do you mind if I forward this to the Pa list? I'd like to get a
>discussion
> >going about unschooling again as things have gotten off topic of
>late.>>
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. What Pa list? Off topic here on this list or
>the
> Pa list?
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
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>>The Pa unschoolers list is where I meant (and also where we are a bit off
>>topic lately). I was hoping to spark some discussion.>>

Sure. forward away then. :o)

Life is good.
~Mary
>
>Kristen
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
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> >>Mary,
> >
> >Do you mind if I forward this to the Pa list? I'd like to get a
>discussion
> >going about unschooling again as things have gotten off topic of
>late.>>
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. What Pa list? Off topic here on this list or
>the
> Pa list?
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
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Manon (Hotmail)

I am disorganized and a lot like you and I went to school and had restrictions put on a lot of things at home. Maybe that is just who you are regardless. But at least you felt loved and respected.

Manon
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--- In [email protected], "zenmomma *"
<zenmomma@h...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>I attended school on days when I felt like it, and stayed home
when I felt
> >>like it, except when the school would send home notices or call
my parents
> >>and tell them that I would fail my grade and be left back. At
those times
> >>my mother would encourage me (but not insist) to go, even if I
would
> >>rather stay home; she didn't know there were other options in the
60's.
> >>Grades were unimportant to them. I watched as much tv as I
wanted, in
> >>fact, I was one of the only kids I knew who had unlimited access
to
> >>television, including a television in my room -- and I watched a
lot of
> >>tv! I went to bed when I wanted, I ate what I wanted, etc... My
parents
> >>trusted my judgments, and let me make my own decisions. I was
> >>unconditionally loved, and I was supported in my decisions, to
the best of
> >>may parent's abilities.>>
>
> Were your parents around interacting with you and your sister each
day? Did
> they think they were leaving your education to the experts or were
they
> guiding you, strewing your path and engaging your mind? On the days
you
> stayed home, what did they do with you?
>
> Unschooling, even the most radical kind, does not mean leaving
children
> alone 24/7. It means staying connected, presenting new ideas,
getting
> excited with them over new discoveries, answering their questions
and asking
> more back. It's not neglect.
>
> Life is good.
> ~Mary
>
>Did it sound like I was neglected? Not at all. My parents spent
endless hours with us - more than any other parents I knew. And my
mother, in particular, spent endless hours of focused attention
talking with us, listening to us, supporting us, and filling our
world with opportunities. I only hope I can do the same for my
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