fw:That's enough/
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In a message dated 2/13/2003 11:22:42 PM Central Standard Time,
pamhartley@... writes:
Linda
pamhartley@... writes:
> A friend of mine once told me that she would be forever grateful to SandraChose what words I could use, and what I could or couldn't do with my kids.
> because one time when this friend was being mercilessly attacked in a forum
> we used to frequent, Sandra (who I don't think knew my friend all that well
> at that time, but who I've always always found to have a very good sense of
> what is what) calmly said, "Stop being hateful to (my friend)."
>
> So, I'll be a karmic designated hitter here and say, for my friend who
> would
> if she were here:
>
> Stop being hateful to Sandra.
>
> LInda says:
> You may have to Say this, but there are more than a few of us on this
> list including myself, who have had about enough of the tactics of some
> if its members. Sandra has quite the following here, I am not surprised
> how many jump into to defend her.
> And in fact, all of you followers are getting very good at her games.
> The one that I enjoy, is taking someones post completely out of its
> text, and bashing them as a parent.
>
> Another, is the "I don't understand what you are saying game?"
>
> Or the biggie, game of YOU USED A WORD WE DON'T APPROVE OF.
> Since when does someone dictate what words used in order
> to convey ones thoughts Because Sandra sets the standards?
>
> I would think twice if I was following someone who set my standards.
Linda
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>
Fetteroll
on 2/14/03 10:14 AM, encadia@... at encadia@... wrote:
umpty-gajillionth time) in the last month and I'm lacking my usual patience
for it.
The list is what it is and it isn't going to change because it does what it
does very well. Though some people find support here, it's not intended to
be a support list. It is a discussion list. We tear apart ideas to examine
their foundations.
If someone wants to trust and respect their children, then this is a great
place to examine the entrenched ideas that society has filled us with.
If someone doesn't want to examine the ideas they hold, doesn't want to
examine the practices they have, then they're going to find this list a very
uncomfortable place to be.
Joyce
Unschooling-dotcom moderator
>> You may have to Say this, but there are more than a few of us on thisThe list and the message board both dealt with this same complaint (for the
>> list including myself, who have had about enough of the tactics of some
>> if its members.
umpty-gajillionth time) in the last month and I'm lacking my usual patience
for it.
The list is what it is and it isn't going to change because it does what it
does very well. Though some people find support here, it's not intended to
be a support list. It is a discussion list. We tear apart ideas to examine
their foundations.
If someone wants to trust and respect their children, then this is a great
place to examine the entrenched ideas that society has filled us with.
If someone doesn't want to examine the ideas they hold, doesn't want to
examine the practices they have, then they're going to find this list a very
uncomfortable place to be.
Joyce
Unschooling-dotcom moderator
Tia Leschke
> >Sounds like there are plenty of you unhappy members. I guess you have
> > LInda says:
> > You may have to Say this, but there are more than a few of us on this
> > list including myself, who have had about enough of the tactics of some
> > if its members. Sandra has quite the following here, I am not surprised
> > how many jump into to defend her.
> > And in fact, all of you followers are getting very good at her games.
enough numbers to start your own list, where you can give and get advice
exactly the way you prefer. As Joyce said, the list isn't going to change
what it is to suit you.
Tia
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[Unschooling-dotcom] FW: oh! thats the answer...silly me
[Unschooling-dotcom] fw:That's enough/
The "fw:" indicates that these were responses to e-mails forwarded to you
specifically.
<<Yep, it must be nice in Doddville!!>>
Well, usually it really is. We've worked consciously to make it that way,
and have learned a lot of good things over the time Keith and I have had
kids, and had other unschooling and homeschooling families over. And I've
spent a lot of energy over ten+ years helping other people get to that point,
and a lot of people have gotten there, partly from online discussions
involving me and lots of other moms, from reading the books that keep being
recommended here, and from changing their lives for the sake of their kids,
from listening to their kids and BEING with their kids.
It's more than just "being with their kids." It's stopping and feeling their
*being* and synching that being with their children's *being* so that they
aren't just "being in the same house," they are living connected lives.
The issue of your comment about my education and your expectations I'll
address separately.
But I want to mention "projection." It's a concept worth knowing.
Teresa apparently called for backup, forwarded you the e-mails she wanted you
to respond to, and you responded hard and harshly in her favor, insulting
people who had defended me.
What you have accused others of was exactly what you were doing.
That's documentable at this point.
So while you were making a public statement that I knew zip about special
needs and should shush up, while you were helping disrupt this list and
belitting people, I was working on getting some special needs articles online
where people could get to them easily.
You can help other people unschool, or you can be neutral, or you can hinder
them getting help.
I personally wish you had made better choices in that area yesterday.
Those articles are here, in case those e-mails weren't forwarded to you:
http://sandradodd.com/special/anne
http://sandradodd.com/special/mary
Sandra
[Unschooling-dotcom] fw:That's enough/
The "fw:" indicates that these were responses to e-mails forwarded to you
specifically.
<<Yep, it must be nice in Doddville!!>>
Well, usually it really is. We've worked consciously to make it that way,
and have learned a lot of good things over the time Keith and I have had
kids, and had other unschooling and homeschooling families over. And I've
spent a lot of energy over ten+ years helping other people get to that point,
and a lot of people have gotten there, partly from online discussions
involving me and lots of other moms, from reading the books that keep being
recommended here, and from changing their lives for the sake of their kids,
from listening to their kids and BEING with their kids.
It's more than just "being with their kids." It's stopping and feeling their
*being* and synching that being with their children's *being* so that they
aren't just "being in the same house," they are living connected lives.
The issue of your comment about my education and your expectations I'll
address separately.
But I want to mention "projection." It's a concept worth knowing.
Teresa apparently called for backup, forwarded you the e-mails she wanted you
to respond to, and you responded hard and harshly in her favor, insulting
people who had defended me.
What you have accused others of was exactly what you were doing.
That's documentable at this point.
So while you were making a public statement that I knew zip about special
needs and should shush up, while you were helping disrupt this list and
belitting people, I was working on getting some special needs articles online
where people could get to them easily.
You can help other people unschool, or you can be neutral, or you can hinder
them getting help.
I personally wish you had made better choices in that area yesterday.
Those articles are here, in case those e-mails weren't forwarded to you:
http://sandradodd.com/special/anne
http://sandradodd.com/special/mary
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/14/03 2:47:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
documentation of that because it did not happen, period. It's very rare
anyone defends me ( or anyone else who goes against Sandra) because of this
kind of total crap. People can read with thier own eyes, I dont have to
point things out to them.
Teresa
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Teresa apparently called for backup, forwarded you the e-mails she wantedTotal Bullshit. I forwarded nothing to anyone. You won't find
> you
> to respond to, and you responded hard and harshly in her favor, insulting
> people who had defended me.
>
documentation of that because it did not happen, period. It's very rare
anyone defends me ( or anyone else who goes against Sandra) because of this
kind of total crap. People can read with thier own eyes, I dont have to
point things out to them.
Teresa
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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In a message dated 2/14/03 11:31:54 AM, leschke@... writes:
<< Sounds like there are plenty of you unhappy members. >>
I counted two.
But surely there are dozens of others e-mailing them supportively.
(Now that was sarcasm, I admit it freely. Joyce will probably slap my
cyber-hands.)
Someone can probably direct them to the groups that split off a year or so
ago, if they're still operating.
But honestly, there are other unschooling information sources, and some
PLENTY wimpy to allow anyone to claim unschooling.
Sandra
<< Sounds like there are plenty of you unhappy members. >>
I counted two.
But surely there are dozens of others e-mailing them supportively.
(Now that was sarcasm, I admit it freely. Joyce will probably slap my
cyber-hands.)
Someone can probably direct them to the groups that split off a year or so
ago, if they're still operating.
But honestly, there are other unschooling information sources, and some
PLENTY wimpy to allow anyone to claim unschooling.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/14/03 1:31:35 PM, grlynbl@... writes:
<< > Teresa apparently called for backup, forwarded you the e-mails she
wanted
documentation of that because it did not happen, period. >>
The assumption that you, Teresa, did the forwarding might have been incorrect.
The fact that the responses were to forwarded messages was shown by the
subject lines.
Sandra
<< > Teresa apparently called for backup, forwarded you the e-mails she
wanted
> you<<Total Bullshit. I forwarded nothing to anyone. You won't find
> to respond to, and you responded hard and harshly in her favor, insulting
> people who had defended me.
>
documentation of that because it did not happen, period. >>
The assumption that you, Teresa, did the forwarding might have been incorrect.
The fact that the responses were to forwarded messages was shown by the
subject lines.
Sandra
Pam Sorooshian
Teresa,
Didn't you say it was your kids who are explosive and have anger
control problems?
This is just an email list - you can ignore what you don't like. Try
taking some deep breaths and remembering that nobody here has any
authority over you. If you really hate what they say, maybe you can
print out their posts and flush them down the toilet - that might make
you feel a little calmer.
-pam
Didn't you say it was your kids who are explosive and have anger
control problems?
This is just an email list - you can ignore what you don't like. Try
taking some deep breaths and remembering that nobody here has any
authority over you. If you really hate what they say, maybe you can
print out their posts and flush them down the toilet - that might make
you feel a little calmer.
-pam
On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 12:30 PM, grlynbl@... wrote:
> Total Bullshit. I forwarded nothing to anyone. You won't find
> documentation of that because it did not happen, period. It's very
> rare
> anyone defends me ( or anyone else who goes against Sandra) because
> of this
> kind of total crap. People can read with thier own eyes, I dont have
> to
> point things out to them.
Pam Sorooshian
The National Home Education Network
~The World is Our Classroom~
www.NHEN.org
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In a message dated 2/14/03 4:00:26 PM, pamsoroosh@... writes:
<< If you really hate what they say, maybe you can
print out their posts and flush them down the toilet - that might make
you feel a little calmer. >>
But if it plugs up your toilet don't come back here and pull a Donald Duck
about how Pam made you have to call a plumber.
Sandra
<< If you really hate what they say, maybe you can
print out their posts and flush them down the toilet - that might make
you feel a little calmer. >>
But if it plugs up your toilet don't come back here and pull a Donald Duck
about how Pam made you have to call a plumber.
Sandra