Re: What's in a name
Pam Hartley
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knew, too.
My first guess is arrogant and egotistical (i.e, that they've met or read of
unschooling families and want to be associated with the calm and kindness
and respect that seems inherent to them). It could be dead wrong.
My second guess is that they think of unschooling as simply un-schooling (a
confusion perhaps not unreasonable) so when they say, "We unschool
everything except math" they simply mean they just "don't do school" for
everything except math, no more no less.
Unschooling is and always has been an annoying term, and if John Holt were
alive today I'd tell him so. <g> Unfortunately, it's part of the language of
homeschoolers now, so what to do?
From time to time various unschoolers have toyed with finding a new way to
describe who we are and what we do, instead of using "unschooling" which
inadequately describes us as what we DON'T. I like some of the terms, but
none of them have really grabbed me to the point of wanting to adopt them. I
wish one would.
Pam
>From: [email protected]This is and has been for awhile the million dollar question. <g> I wish I
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 3018
>Date: Mon, Feb 10, 2003, 9:11 AM
>
> If they don't want to
> "unschool" as it is truly know, and find this list too far out there and not
> for them, why do such people think of it as a bad thing to call what they do
> eclectic or relaxed or unit study or school at home and find a board that
> supports that if that is what they truly want to do? Why do some want to
> have the label "unschooler?"
knew, too.
My first guess is arrogant and egotistical (i.e, that they've met or read of
unschooling families and want to be associated with the calm and kindness
and respect that seems inherent to them). It could be dead wrong.
My second guess is that they think of unschooling as simply un-schooling (a
confusion perhaps not unreasonable) so when they say, "We unschool
everything except math" they simply mean they just "don't do school" for
everything except math, no more no less.
Unschooling is and always has been an annoying term, and if John Holt were
alive today I'd tell him so. <g> Unfortunately, it's part of the language of
homeschoolers now, so what to do?
From time to time various unschoolers have toyed with finding a new way to
describe who we are and what we do, instead of using "unschooling" which
inadequately describes us as what we DON'T. I like some of the terms, but
none of them have really grabbed me to the point of wanting to adopt them. I
wish one would.
Pam
[email protected]
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:54:00 -0800 Pam Hartley
<pamhartley@...> writes:
do school"
a curriculum, or having scheduled lessons. Unschooling, in my limited
book knowledge of it, was simply not schooling. I've come to learn that
it is more of an all encompassing way of life. Unlike any kind of
*schooling*, which usually ends at a specific time, *unschooling* never
ends.
In my opinion, the word *schooling* should be ditched altogether. It
carries too much baggage. How about:
life-learners
world-learners
child-led learning
liven'learners
CLAP'ers (Children Learning Alongside Parents)
LOBy (Learning Outside Box)
LIL learners (Lessons In Life)
Okay, I've gone over the edge!lol
Wende
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<pamhartley@...> writes:
> My second guess is that they think of unschooling as simply"We >unschool everything except math" they simply mean they just "don't
> un-schooling (a confusion perhaps not unreasonable) so when they say,
do school"
> for everything except math, no more no less.This is me, when I came here. I thought it was just a matter of not using
a curriculum, or having scheduled lessons. Unschooling, in my limited
book knowledge of it, was simply not schooling. I've come to learn that
it is more of an all encompassing way of life. Unlike any kind of
*schooling*, which usually ends at a specific time, *unschooling* never
ends.
> I like some of the terms, but none of them have really grabbed me tothe point >of wanting to adopt them. I wish one would.
In my opinion, the word *schooling* should be ditched altogether. It
carries too much baggage. How about:
life-learners
world-learners
child-led learning
liven'learners
CLAP'ers (Children Learning Alongside Parents)
LOBy (Learning Outside Box)
LIL learners (Lessons In Life)
Okay, I've gone over the edge!lol
Wende
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In a message dated 2/10/03 2:05:55 PM, love-it-here@... writes:
<< CLAP'ers (Children Learning Alongside Parents) >>
Nobody wants the clap, especially not alongside parents.
<< CLAP'ers (Children Learning Alongside Parents) >>
Nobody wants the clap, especially not alongside parents.
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How about ALERT, it's good to be ALERT:
autodidactic learners
educated realistically
triumphantly
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educated realistically
triumphantly
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:13:41 EST SandraDodd@... writes:
>________________________________________________________________
> In a message dated 2/10/03 2:05:55 PM, love-it-here@...
> writes:
>
> << CLAP'ers (Children Learning Alongside Parents) >>
>
> Nobody wants the clap, especially not alongside parents.
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Debbie
>LOL! I was wondering who would be first to comment on CLAP.
> In a message dated 2/10/03 2:05:55 PM, love-it-here@j... writes:
>
> << CLAP'ers (Children Learning Alongside Parents) >>
>
> Nobody wants the clap, especially not alongside parents.
Debbie
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:13:41 EST SandraDodd@... writes:
I was thinking more along the lines of happy children clapping. Oh well,
when you think about it though, don't others avoid unschoolers like the
clap! Okay, I'll stop now before I say any more incredibly stupid things.
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> Nobody wants the clap, especially not alongside parents.LOL! It was already sent by the time I realized what I said. When typing
I was thinking more along the lines of happy children clapping. Oh well,
when you think about it though, don't others avoid unschoolers like the
clap! Okay, I'll stop now before I say any more incredibly stupid things.
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Pam Sorooshian
I like "interest-driven learning."
-pam
-pam
On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 10:54 AM, Pam Hartley wrote:
>
> From time to time various unschoolers have toyed with finding a new
> way to
> describe who we are and what we do, instead of using "unschooling"
> which
> inadequately describes us as what we DON'T. I like some of the terms,
> but
> none of them have really grabbed me to the point of wanting to adopt
> them. I
> wish one would.
Pam Sorooshian
The National Home Education Network
~The World is Our Classroom~
www.NHEN.org
Tia Leschke
>Darn! You beat me to it.
> In a message dated 2/10/03 2:05:55 PM, love-it-here@... writes:
>
> << CLAP'ers (Children Learning Alongside Parents) >>
>
> Nobody wants the clap, especially not alongside parents.
Tia
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In a message dated 2/10/03 11:38:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
education/learning/schooling part of the issue and non unschoolers think it
is all about curriculum choice. It doesn't address the trust issue. And
trusting your child in things other than "schooly" things. (is that a word)
LOL
Pam G.
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
> I like "interest-driven learningThe only thing I don't like about some of the names is that they focus on the
education/learning/schooling part of the issue and non unschoolers think it
is all about curriculum choice. It doesn't address the trust issue. And
trusting your child in things other than "schooly" things. (is that a word)
LOL
Pam G.
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In a message dated 2/11/03 8:06:09 AM, genant2@... writes:
<< The only thing I don't like about some of the names is that they focus on
the
education/learning/schooling part of the issue and non unschoolers think it
is all about curriculum choice. It doesn't address the trust issue. And
trusting your child in things other than "schooly" things. (is that a word)
we need to go.
But I wouldn't want people to think we're liberating them from childhood.
We're celebrating childhood! We're just not making it a slum for invisible
people whose opinions won't count until they're 18 and have about given up on
having any.
(Not a good recommendation, just more data.)
Sandra
<< The only thing I don't like about some of the names is that they focus on
the
education/learning/schooling part of the issue and non unschoolers think it
is all about curriculum choice. It doesn't address the trust issue. And
trusting your child in things other than "schooly" things. (is that a word)
>>Maybe thinking of them as young humans instead of children is the direction
we need to go.
But I wouldn't want people to think we're liberating them from childhood.
We're celebrating childhood! We're just not making it a slum for invisible
people whose opinions won't count until they're 18 and have about given up on
having any.
(Not a good recommendation, just more data.)
Sandra
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In a message dated 2/11/03 1:36:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
the celebrating childhood part. Non unschoolers also see what I do as
somehow forcing my boys to "grow up" to fast. Like I am forcing them to make
their own choices. They don't see understand I value and trust the choices
they make. And that I feel that my boys, being children, have a different
perspective on things and have valuable contributions to make to my life. It
isn't just me "filling them up." It is more of a 2 way street.
Just some random thoughts. Pretty random. LOL did they make any sense.
Pam G.
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Maybe thinking of them as young humans instead of children is the directionI agree. So many people see children as just children. I totally agree with
> we need to go.
>
> But I wouldn't want people to think we're liberating them from childhood.
> We're celebrating childhood! We're just not making it a slum for invisible
>
> people whose opinions won't count until they're 18 and have about given up
> on
> having any.
>
> (Not a good recommendation, just more data.)
>
> Sandra
>
>
the celebrating childhood part. Non unschoolers also see what I do as
somehow forcing my boys to "grow up" to fast. Like I am forcing them to make
their own choices. They don't see understand I value and trust the choices
they make. And that I feel that my boys, being children, have a different
perspective on things and have valuable contributions to make to my life. It
isn't just me "filling them up." It is more of a 2 way street.
Just some random thoughts. Pretty random. LOL did they make any sense.
Pam G.
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