Deborah Lewis

http://www.local6.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-193452020030124-130121.htm
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***Doctors carves letters into womens uterus.***

When my dad was going in for cancer treatment his radiologist got in
trouble and was eventually fired because he tattooed (that temporary
tattooing for radiation treatment) a smiley face on a woman's breast.
He had been in trouble at the cancer center before for harassing nurses.

Maybe it happens more often than we'd like to think.

On that same page, (of the link to the Dr. story ) on the left, under
weird news there's a story about boys who killed their mother.
Here's a snip
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--Bautista's neighbors at the Mission Grove Gardens apartment complex,
where the family rented a two-bedroom unit for about $1,000 a month, said
the mother was heard late at night screaming at her younger boy to do his
chores.
Neighbors had noticed the home had recently become quieter.
"It was weird that the screaming just stopped," Derek Fernandez, 26, told
The Times. ---
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Deb L

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In a message dated 1/28/03 11:40:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:

> http://www.local6.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-193452020030124-130121.html
>

Sorry, I sent a "blank email" by mistake.. This is quoted from the article

The lawsuit says the tape clearly shows the doctor use a cauterizing
instrument to carve the letters into her uterus before removing it.


I saw this on the news too.. Heres my take.. They took it out!.. ITS
GONE.. out of her body.. KAPUT, NO MORE.. Why does she care if he marked
it???? She didnt feel it.. its not "still a part of her" I woulnt give a
rats ass if he carved a smiley face on any part of my body that was being
removed.. I think its ridiculous

Teresa





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Shyrley

grlynbl@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/28/03 11:40:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@... writes:
>
> > http://www.local6.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-193452020030124-130121.html
> >
>
> Sorry, I sent a "blank email" by mistake.. This is quoted from the article
>
> The lawsuit says the tape clearly shows the doctor use a cauterizing
> instrument to carve the letters into her uterus before removing it.
>
> I saw this on the news too.. Heres my take.. They took it out!.. ITS
> GONE.. out of her body.. KAPUT, NO MORE.. Why does she care if he marked
> it???? She didnt feel it.. its not "still a part of her" I woulnt give a
> rats ass if he carved a smiley face on any part of my body that was being
> removed.. I think its ridiculous
>
> Teresa
>

Its the whole doctors thinking they have a right to do those things. There was a recent scandal in UK hostpitals where Doctors were keeping bits of dead children and neglecting to tell the parents.
Doctors have been caught fondling women while they are unconscoious on the opertaing table.

It's about a lack of respect towards the patient.

Shyrley

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In a message dated 1/28/03 1:33:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:

> Its the whole doctors thinking they have a right to do those things. There
> was a recent scandal in UK hostpitals where Doctors were keeping bits of
> dead children and neglecting to tell the parents.
> Doctors have been caught fondling women while they are unconscoious on the
> opertaing table.
>
> It's about a lack of respect towards the patient.
>
> Shyrley
>

Yeah, THOSE things would bother me.. VERY MUCH.. and yes, Drs do owe the
utmost respect to their patients. Its just a personal thing for ME. I
wouldnt care .. Its an organ .. an organ that is useless to me or anyone else
at that point ( the point of hysterectomy, I mean). My understanding was
the the Dr's mark the organs for identification at the lab. Whether its
initials or some other mark wouldnt matter to me. Most like, when it gets to
lab, its gonna be chopped up anyway. But, like I said.. thats just me..

Teresa

Teresa


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Mary Bianco

>From: grlynbl@...

<<I saw this on the news too.. Heres my take.. They took it out!.. ITS
GONE.. out of her body.. KAPUT, NO MORE.. Why does she care if he marked
it???? She didnt feel it.. its not "still a part of her" I woulnt give a
rats ass if he carved a smiley face on any part of my body that was being
removed.. I think its ridiculous>>


Okay, I'll admit it, I was waiting to hear someone else's take on this. I
too didn't see the big deal. No one ws hurt, no one can see it as it's gone
from her. I don't understand. Now the Dr. a few years ago who actually
carved his initials in some lady's belly after a c-section, well that's
something to sue for.

Mary B



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In a message dated 1/28/2003 12:12:10 PM Central Standard Time,
grlynbl@... writes:


> I saw this on the news too.. Heres my take.. They took it out!.. ITS
> GONE.. out of her body.. KAPUT, NO MORE.. Why does she care if he marked
> it???? She didnt feel it.. its not "still a part of her" I woulnt give a
>
> rats ass if he carved a smiley face on any part of my body that was being
> removed.. I think its ridiculous
>

Katie Couric (not one I usually quote) asked the doctor on Today something
like this - can you understand why a woman would object to your using her
uterus as a booster for your alma matter?

Elizabeth


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In a message dated 1/28/03 3:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, ejcrewe@...
writes:

> can you understand why a woman would object to your using her
> uterus as a booster for your alma matter?
>
> Elizabeth
>

No, I can't. She aint wearing it on the outside of her body.. Its just
another ridiculous reason to sue someone... drive up malpractice insurance
for Drs.. drive up health care costs for patients and drive up insurance
premiums for consumers..

T


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Deborah Lewis

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:07:39 +0000 "Mary Bianco" <mummyone24@...>
writes:

*** I
too didn't see the big deal.***

Surgery is scary. Yes, most people live through hysterectomies and
recover fully but when you are the one on the table, or when it's someone
you love, it's not funny or easy or a joke.
If the woman had said, " carve the initials of my kids in there" that
would be one thing. That the doctor decided someone else's surgery was
a big joke, that's something else.

There's something wrong with a doctor who wouldn't be more sensitive to a
patient on the operating table, going through a difficult, life changing
surgery.

Just one woman's take.

Deb L

Rachel Ann

There is something very wrong with a doctor taking time out of performing a
necessary surgery to have a bit of fun, especially when acting upon a part
of the body not yet removed. Anethesia is dangerous, and to prolong the
surgery by even a few minutes is wrong. I don't know the medical
consequences if he had slipped in the preformance of this little act...but
it certainly isn't respectful of the woman, nor does it show much common
sense.

If afterward he had marked it, even then it shows disrespect, but this was
while the uterus was inside her.... The fact that no one was hurt physically
doesn't alter the fact that it prolonged the surgery, even by a few minutes,
unnecessarily.

Loss of companionship? That is a little weird....



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Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:46:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Gross enough to share

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:07:39 +0000 "Mary Bianco" <mummyone24@...>
writes:

*** I
too didn't see the big deal.***

Surgery is scary. Yes, most people live through hysterectomies and
recover fully but when you are the one on the table, or when it's someone
you love, it's not funny or easy or a joke.
If the woman had said, " carve the initials of my kids in there" that
would be one thing. That the doctor decided someone else's surgery was
a big joke, that's something else.

There's something wrong with a doctor who wouldn't be more sensitive to a
patient on the operating table, going through a difficult, life changing
surgery.

Just one woman's take.

Deb L

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In a message dated 1/28/03 1:40:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, grlynbl@...
writes:

> My understanding was
> the the Dr's mark the organs for identification at the lab. Whether its
> initials or some other mark wouldnt matter to me.

Wherever I have worked the tissue is not marked. The container has the
identification of the patient and the doctor. It is stamped on a sticker and
stuck to the container so the tissue can be match to the patient
identification when the results are put into the computer. The tissue itself
is not marked.
Pam G.


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Mary Bianco

Sorry, still don't see the big deal. I'm sure the surgery was going well and
if it was any life or death situation, I don't think this certain Dr. would
have done that. He made a bad decision but I don't see it as him being
insensitive.

Many Dr.'s are under a great amount of pressure and it can weigh heavily on
them emotionally as well. What some Dr.'s do to not get caught up in the day
to day sickness and dying of hospitals, is to make light of it. The only
difference is that most patients don't know about it. If they or you did,
you would be mortified at times. He should have kept his little joke to
himself, that was his mistake.

I still don't see it as the major deal the patient and her husband are
making out of it.

Mary B




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marji

At 18:55 1/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/28/03 1:40:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, grlynbl@...
>writes:
>
> > My understanding was
> > the the Dr's mark the organs for identification at the lab. Whether its
> > initials or some other mark wouldnt matter to me.
>
>Wherever I have worked the tissue is not marked. The container has the
>identification of the patient and the doctor. It is stamped on a sticker and
>stuck to the container so the tissue can be match to the patient
>identification when the results are put into the computer. The tissue itself
>is not marked.
>Pam G.

But, sometimes a specimen is tagged with suture for orientation (i.e., two
long sutures to show the top, two short sutures for the bottom, and one
long suture for the lateral side). I have NEVER, ever heard of damaging or
otherwise marking or inscribing the tissue in any way for orientation or
identification.

Marji


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Rachel Ann

After listening to the program on Court t.v. I would have to change my mind
..The doctor marked it as a precaution against mixing up right from left
(for later medical purposes)
I don't know what difference the lettering would make.... Rather a silly
lawsuit under the circumstances


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From: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:59:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Gross enough to share

At 18:55 1/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/28/03 1:40:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, grlynbl@aol
com
>writes:
>
> > My understanding was
> > the the Dr's mark the organs for identification at the lab. Whether its
> > initials or some other mark wouldnt matter to me.
>
>Wherever I have worked the tissue is not marked. The container has the
>identification of the patient and the doctor. It is stamped on a sticker
and
>stuck to the container so the tissue can be match to the patient
>identification when the results are put into the computer. The tissue
itself
>is not marked.
>Pam G.

But, sometimes a specimen is tagged with suture for orientation (i.e., two
long sutures to show the top, two short sutures for the bottom, and one
long suture for the lateral side). I have NEVER, ever heard of damaging or
otherwise marking or inscribing the tissue in any way for orientation or
identification.

Marji


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In a message dated 1/28/03 6:56:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, genant2@...
writes:

> Wherever I have worked the tissue is not marked. The container has the
> identification of the patient and the doctor. It is stamped on a sticker
> and
> stuck to the container so the tissue can be match to the patient
> identification when the results are put into the computer. The tissue
> itself
> is not marked.
> Pam G.
>

Yeah, I thought about that too.. cuz I thought about they "mark" blood,
urine, etc. That explanation was from the Dr. who did the brandings. I
guess it doesnt hold up under scrutiny.

Teresa


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In a message dated 1/28/03 7:55:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hindar@... writes:

> Rather a silly
> lawsuit under the circumstances
>
>

Yep, that was my contention all along. Gosh, save the law suits for
something worthwhile

Teresa


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kayb85 <[email protected]>

But it's an unnecessary procedure. Carving involves a sharp
instrument. What if the instrument slipped and cut into her uterus?
Chances are it wouldn't happen, but it COULD, and no doctor should
take any unnecessary chances on his patients.
Sheila


> No, I can't. She aint wearing it on the outside of her body.. Its
just
> another ridiculous reason to sue someone... drive up malpractice
insurance
> for Drs.. drive up health care costs for patients and drive up
insurance
> premiums for consumers..
>
> T
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

kayb85 <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], Rachel Ann <hindar@o...>
wrote:
>
> After listening to the program on Court t.v. I would have to
change my mind
> ..The doctor marked it as a precaution against mixing up right from
left
> (for later medical purposes)
> I don't know what difference the lettering would make.... Rather a
silly
> lawsuit under the circumstances

That does change things a bit.
Sheila

Stephanie Elms

Oh my gosh! Do you mean that this was recent? I remember a story a few years
ago about a dr who carved *his* initials into a woman's abdomen after a csec.
I can't believe that there are more drs like that out there. Geesh!

Stephanie E.
>

Heidi <[email protected]>

Nah, this is wrong. It's like graffiti on a person's BODY. Like the
woman's physical being were nothing more than a...slate, for the Dr's
juvenile prank. It's nauseating. Shows a grave disrespect for the
human body.

ugh

Heidi

--- In [email protected], grlynbl@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/28/03 11:40:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@v... writes:
>
> > http://www.local6.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-193452020030124-
130121.html
> >
>
> Sorry, I sent a "blank email" by mistake.. This is quoted from the
article
>
> The lawsuit says the tape clearly shows the doctor use a
cauterizing
> instrument to carve the letters into her uterus before removing it.
>
>
> I saw this on the news too.. Heres my take.. They took it out!..
ITS
> GONE.. out of her body.. KAPUT, NO MORE.. Why does she care if he
marked
> it???? She didnt feel it.. its not "still a part of her" I
woulnt give a
> rats ass if he carved a smiley face on any part of my body that was
being
> removed.. I think its ridiculous
>
> Teresa
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Heidi <[email protected]>

I think if the woman felt violated, she might not be responsive to
her husband's overtures. I mean, how sick. I'd have to rebuild trust,
most likely.

Heidi

--- In [email protected], Tia Leschke <leschke@s...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > http://www.local6.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-193452020030124-
130121.html
> >
> > Doctors carves letters into womens uterus.
>
> The husband suffered a "loss of companionship" because of it? Give
me a
> break! Stupid and disgusting thing for the doctor to do, but I
fail to see
> how it harmed the husband.
> Tia

Heidi <[email protected]>

Then mark it AFTER it is removed. And, the suture idea is much more
dignified. Carving initials...dunno about a lawsuit per se, but that
Dr. should be under some kind of discipline. License revoked or
suspended.

ugh
Heidi


--- In [email protected], Rachel Ann <hindar@o...>
wrote:
>
> After listening to the program on Court t.v. I would have to
change my mind
> ..The doctor marked it as a precaution against mixing up right from
left
> (for later medical purposes)
> I don't know what difference the lettering would make.... Rather a
silly
> lawsuit under the circumstances
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:59:29 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Gross enough to share
>
> At 18:55 1/28/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 1/28/03 1:40:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
grlynbl@aol
> com
> >writes:
> >
> > > My understanding was
> > > the the Dr's mark the organs for identification at the lab.
Whether its
> > > initials or some other mark wouldnt matter to me.
> >
> >Wherever I have worked the tissue is not marked. The container has
the
> >identification of the patient and the doctor. It is stamped on a
sticker
> and
> >stuck to the container so the tissue can be match to the patient
> >identification when the results are put into the computer. The
tissue
> itself
> >is not marked.
> >Pam G.
>
> But, sometimes a specimen is tagged with suture for orientation
(i.e., two
> long sutures to show the top, two short sutures for the bottom, and
one
> long suture for the lateral side). I have NEVER, ever heard of
damaging or
> otherwise marking or inscribing the tissue in any way for
orientation or
> identification.
>
> Marji
>
>
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In a message dated 1/28/03 7:55:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hindar@... writes:

> The doctor marked it as a precaution against mixing up right from left
> (for later medical purposes)
>

I would have to disagree with his statement. I have never seen that done.
Usually just sutures like someone else mentioned. Usually just one at the
top front is all that is needed. I even mentioned this to my husband and he
was outraged as a physician, said he had never heard of someone doing such a
thing.
Pam G.


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Jerilyn Winstead

Deborah, I could not find the article about the boys who murdered their mother--can you tell me any more on how to find it? There was no link to the left of the page marked "Wierd Science".

Thanks
Jerilyn in CO
Moms & Dads working from home
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http://www.local6.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-193452020030124-130121.htm
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***Doctors carves letters into womens uterus.***

When my dad was going in for cancer treatment his radiologist got in
trouble and was eventually fired because he tattooed (that temporary
tattooing for radiation treatment) a smiley face on a woman's breast.
He had been in trouble at the cancer center before for harassing nurses.

Maybe it happens more often than we'd like to think.

On that same page, (of the link to the Dr. story ) on the left, under
weird news there's a story about boys who killed their mother.
Here's a snip
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--Bautista's neighbors at the Mission Grove Gardens apartment complex,
where the family rented a two-bedroom unit for about $1,000 a month, said
the mother was heard late at night screaming at her younger boy to do his
chores.
Neighbors had noticed the home had recently become quieter.
"It was weird that the screaming just stopped," Derek Fernandez, 26, told
The Times. ---
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Deb L


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Deborah Lewis

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/5045690.htm

***Deborah, I could not find the article about the boys who murdered
their mother--can you tell me any more on how to find it? There was no
link to the left of the page marked "Weird Science".***

Jerilyn,
The link above is not the same story I read at the other site. I
couldn't access that first story on the old link anymore.
I found this story, about the same event, at the link above. I don't
know how long that one will work.<g>

Deb L

***On that same page, (of the link to the Dr. story ) on the left, under
weird news there's a story about boys who killed their mother.
Here's a snip
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--Bautista's neighbors at the Mission Grove Gardens apartment complex,
where the family rented a two-bedroom unit for about $1,000 a month,
said
the mother was heard late at night screaming at her younger boy to do
his
chores.
Neighbors had noticed the home had recently become quieter.
"It was weird that the screaming just stopped," Derek Fernandez, 26,
told
The Times. ---***