On Classical Education...
Heidi <[email protected]>
Someone, I think Kelli, said she LOVED the ideas behind WTM, and
wants to go for it, herself, but that it isn't for her kids. May I
say, one of my favorite authors, Douglas Wilson, who runs a classical
college, and a day school with classic emphasis for younger students,
who is a strong believer in Classical Education...it was from his
writings that I got this: "Classical isn't for everyone." (my
paraphrase)
wow. Profound. LOL Just as, back in "the day" when education MEANT
training in Latin and Greek, as well as Logic and Rhetoric...back
in "the day" not everyone had that education. Some did. Those who
were suited for such an education, excelled in it.
I read about these mothers whose children balk at their lessons,
whose "doing school" means abandoning life (which I've been through
recently with K12), and I want to say "What makes you think your
child is SUITED to such a course?"
Mind you, I'm going to introduce Latin and Greek to my kids...because
I bought a book about the roots of English, and I'm going to read it
for myself (being a wordophile, and very interested in etymology) and
leave it available for my kids, and maybe even sit with them on the
couch and explore it together. If a spark ignites, well isn't that
COOL? We can be etymologists together! L
But first, Robby wanted to study the planets, so we visited the
library and have been reading about them. He's already filled his
head with facts about the solar system, and was quizzing a kid at
church today. Katie wanted to make smiley face cupcakes, so we did.
Did you know, that writing frosting/gel you can find in the baking
section of the grocery store, when you lay plastic wrap on it, it
lifts right off the frosting? L We had a lot of yellow cupcakes, some
WITH black smileys, and some WITHOUT. But it was fun and Katie did it
all herself.
Looking forward with great anticipation to TOMORROW.
peace, Heidi
wants to go for it, herself, but that it isn't for her kids. May I
say, one of my favorite authors, Douglas Wilson, who runs a classical
college, and a day school with classic emphasis for younger students,
who is a strong believer in Classical Education...it was from his
writings that I got this: "Classical isn't for everyone." (my
paraphrase)
wow. Profound. LOL Just as, back in "the day" when education MEANT
training in Latin and Greek, as well as Logic and Rhetoric...back
in "the day" not everyone had that education. Some did. Those who
were suited for such an education, excelled in it.
I read about these mothers whose children balk at their lessons,
whose "doing school" means abandoning life (which I've been through
recently with K12), and I want to say "What makes you think your
child is SUITED to such a course?"
Mind you, I'm going to introduce Latin and Greek to my kids...because
I bought a book about the roots of English, and I'm going to read it
for myself (being a wordophile, and very interested in etymology) and
leave it available for my kids, and maybe even sit with them on the
couch and explore it together. If a spark ignites, well isn't that
COOL? We can be etymologists together! L
But first, Robby wanted to study the planets, so we visited the
library and have been reading about them. He's already filled his
head with facts about the solar system, and was quizzing a kid at
church today. Katie wanted to make smiley face cupcakes, so we did.
Did you know, that writing frosting/gel you can find in the baking
section of the grocery store, when you lay plastic wrap on it, it
lifts right off the frosting? L We had a lot of yellow cupcakes, some
WITH black smileys, and some WITHOUT. But it was fun and Katie did it
all herself.
Looking forward with great anticipation to TOMORROW.
peace, Heidi
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In a message dated 1/26/03 7:44:00 PM, bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
<< But first, Robby wanted to study the planets, so we visited the
library and have been reading about them. >>
Why one first and the other later?
The names of the planets would tie right in. And then check out the names of
the weeks and the months, and compare other modern languages you might know
or be able to find out and see what THEIRs mean!
Sandra
<< But first, Robby wanted to study the planets, so we visited the
library and have been reading about them. >>
Why one first and the other later?
The names of the planets would tie right in. And then check out the names of
the weeks and the months, and compare other modern languages you might know
or be able to find out and see what THEIRs mean!
Sandra
Kelli Traaseth
**Someone, I think Kelli, said she LOVED the ideas behind WTM,**
It was Kelly (with a y) who mentioned it. I have the book but havn't read it, skimmed it, but that's about itl.
Didn't fit into my unschooling brain. :-D
Kelli
"Heidi <bunsofaluminum60@...>" <bunsofaluminum60@...> wrote:Someone, I think Kelli, said she LOVED the ideas behind WTM, and
wants to go for it, herself, but that it isn't for her kids. May I
say, one of my favorite authors, Douglas Wilson, who runs a classical
college, and a day school with classic emphasis for younger students,
who is a strong believer in Classical Education...it was from his
writings that I got this: "Classical isn't for everyone." (my
paraphrase)
wow. Profound. LOL Just as, back in "the day" when education MEANT
training in Latin and Greek, as well as Logic and Rhetoric...back
in "the day" not everyone had that education. Some did. Those who
were suited for such an education, excelled in it.
I read about these mothers whose children balk at their lessons,
whose "doing school" means abandoning life (which I've been through
recently with K12), and I want to say "What makes you think your
child is SUITED to such a course?"
Mind you, I'm going to introduce Latin and Greek to my kids...because
I bought a book about the roots of English, and I'm going to read it
for myself (being a wordophile, and very interested in etymology) and
leave it available for my kids, and maybe even sit with them on the
couch and explore it together. If a spark ignites, well isn't that
COOL? We can be etymologists together! L
But first, Robby wanted to study the planets, so we visited the
library and have been reading about them. He's already filled his
head with facts about the solar system, and was quizzing a kid at
church today. Katie wanted to make smiley face cupcakes, so we did.
Did you know, that writing frosting/gel you can find in the baking
section of the grocery store, when you lay plastic wrap on it, it
lifts right off the frosting? L We had a lot of yellow cupcakes, some
WITH black smileys, and some WITHOUT. But it was fun and Katie did it
all herself.
Looking forward with great anticipation to TOMORROW.
peace, Heidi
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It was Kelly (with a y) who mentioned it. I have the book but havn't read it, skimmed it, but that's about itl.
Didn't fit into my unschooling brain. :-D
Kelli
"Heidi <bunsofaluminum60@...>" <bunsofaluminum60@...> wrote:Someone, I think Kelli, said she LOVED the ideas behind WTM, and
wants to go for it, herself, but that it isn't for her kids. May I
say, one of my favorite authors, Douglas Wilson, who runs a classical
college, and a day school with classic emphasis for younger students,
who is a strong believer in Classical Education...it was from his
writings that I got this: "Classical isn't for everyone." (my
paraphrase)
wow. Profound. LOL Just as, back in "the day" when education MEANT
training in Latin and Greek, as well as Logic and Rhetoric...back
in "the day" not everyone had that education. Some did. Those who
were suited for such an education, excelled in it.
I read about these mothers whose children balk at their lessons,
whose "doing school" means abandoning life (which I've been through
recently with K12), and I want to say "What makes you think your
child is SUITED to such a course?"
Mind you, I'm going to introduce Latin and Greek to my kids...because
I bought a book about the roots of English, and I'm going to read it
for myself (being a wordophile, and very interested in etymology) and
leave it available for my kids, and maybe even sit with them on the
couch and explore it together. If a spark ignites, well isn't that
COOL? We can be etymologists together! L
But first, Robby wanted to study the planets, so we visited the
library and have been reading about them. He's already filled his
head with facts about the solar system, and was quizzing a kid at
church today. Katie wanted to make smiley face cupcakes, so we did.
Did you know, that writing frosting/gel you can find in the baking
section of the grocery store, when you lay plastic wrap on it, it
lifts right off the frosting? L We had a lot of yellow cupcakes, some
WITH black smileys, and some WITHOUT. But it was fun and Katie did it
all herself.
Looking forward with great anticipation to TOMORROW.
peace, Heidi
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/26/2003 10:14:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:
~Kelly, like Ren, the original! <G>
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kellitraas@... writes:
> **Someone, I think Kelli, said she LOVED the ideas behind WTM,**And there are now THREE of us here! Must be an unschooly name!
>
> It was Kelly (with a y) who mentioned it. I have the book but havn't read
> it, skimmed it, but that's about itl.
>
> Didn't fit into my unschooling brain. :-D
>
> Kelli
>
~Kelly, like Ren, the original! <G>
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Kelli Traaseth
There are 3? and here I thought the first Kelly just changed her address or had a second one ! Ooops,
Kelli, the one and only with an i, :-P
kbcdlovejo@... wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2003 10:14:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:
~Kelly, like Ren, the original! <G>
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Kelli, the one and only with an i, :-P
kbcdlovejo@... wrote:In a message dated 1/26/2003 10:14:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:
> **Someone, I think Kelli, said she LOVED the ideas behind WTM,**And there are now THREE of us here! Must be an unschooly name!
>
> It was Kelly (with a y) who mentioned it. I have the book but havn't read
> it, skimmed it, but that's about itl.
>
> Didn't fit into my unschooling brain. :-D
>
> Kelli
>
~Kelly, like Ren, the original! <G>
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Heidi <[email protected]>
Yeah, I figured we would get into the meanings of the names. My word
book hasn't arrived yet, though, so we started planets on Friday, and
we'll go with the root words when it gets here. Should be today. :D
I'm excited.
Heidi
book hasn't arrived yet, though, so we started planets on Friday, and
we'll go with the root words when it gets here. Should be today. :D
I'm excited.
Heidi
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/26/03 7:44:00 PM, bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
>
> << But first, Robby wanted to study the planets, so we visited the
> library and have been reading about them. >>
>
> Why one first and the other later?
>
> The names of the planets would tie right in. And then check out
the names of
> the weeks and the months, and compare other modern languages you
might know
> or be able to find out and see what THEIRs mean!
>
> Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/27/03 5:40:11 AM, bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
<< Yeah, I figured we would get into the meanings of the names. My word
book hasn't arrived yet, though, so we started planets on Friday, and
we'll go with the root words when it gets here. Should be today. :D
I'm excited.
You might have a dictionary with etymologies. If not, you might want to look
for one. I think the paperback American Heritage still does. Webster's
might.
Look at the end of some worlds and see if there are notes about previous
forms of the word and what language it's from.
But here are stome starter ideas:
http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/days.html
http://4thmoon.com/planets/daynames.htm
Sandra
<< Yeah, I figured we would get into the meanings of the names. My word
book hasn't arrived yet, though, so we started planets on Friday, and
we'll go with the root words when it gets here. Should be today. :D
I'm excited.
>>Well if your book doesn't come, you have the internet!
You might have a dictionary with etymologies. If not, you might want to look
for one. I think the paperback American Heritage still does. Webster's
might.
Look at the end of some worlds and see if there are notes about previous
forms of the word and what language it's from.
But here are stome starter ideas:
http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/days.html
http://4thmoon.com/planets/daynames.htm
Sandra
Heidi <[email protected]>
I gotta tell you something cool that happened last night! Katie, in
K12 History, had been studying Ancient Rome, and with it came
a "busywork page" about the names of the Greek Pantheon and the Roman
Pantheon. When Robby was leafing through some of the planet books,
all of a sudden he jumped up and got out Katie's three ring binder,
and turned to the busywork sheets about the pantheons...and started
comparing the planets' names to the Greek Gods' names. "If we were
Greek, the second planet would be Aphrodite." LOL [a-fro-DIGHT]
As for our dictionary, yeah...Webster's 1828, the first American
Dictionary of the English Language. And every word in it has detailed
background. I LOVE that dictionary. ABbie used to hate it, when
researching a topic by defining key words, was part of what she HAD
to do. Nowadays, she uses it when she wants to get a strong
definition for some subject. And that's a great idea, actually. Haul
out the resources we already have around the place, and look up some
planet names...after the kids get in from bike riding. But we also
have a birthday cake to bake.
Heidi
K12 History, had been studying Ancient Rome, and with it came
a "busywork page" about the names of the Greek Pantheon and the Roman
Pantheon. When Robby was leafing through some of the planet books,
all of a sudden he jumped up and got out Katie's three ring binder,
and turned to the busywork sheets about the pantheons...and started
comparing the planets' names to the Greek Gods' names. "If we were
Greek, the second planet would be Aphrodite." LOL [a-fro-DIGHT]
As for our dictionary, yeah...Webster's 1828, the first American
Dictionary of the English Language. And every word in it has detailed
background. I LOVE that dictionary. ABbie used to hate it, when
researching a topic by defining key words, was part of what she HAD
to do. Nowadays, she uses it when she wants to get a strong
definition for some subject. And that's a great idea, actually. Haul
out the resources we already have around the place, and look up some
planet names...after the kids get in from bike riding. But we also
have a birthday cake to bake.
Heidi
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/27/03 5:40:11 AM, bunsofaluminum60@h... writes:
>
> << Yeah, I figured we would get into the meanings of the names. My
word
> book hasn't arrived yet, though, so we started planets on Friday,
and
> we'll go with the root words when it gets here. Should be today. :D
> I'm excited.
> >>
>
> Well if your book doesn't come, you have the internet!
>
> You might have a dictionary with etymologies. If not, you might
want to look
> for one. I think the paperback American Heritage still does.
Webster's
> might.
>
> Look at the end of some worlds and see if there are notes about
previous
> forms of the word and what language it's from.
>
> But here are stome starter ideas:
> http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/days.html
> http://4thmoon.com/planets/daynames.htm
>
> Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/27/03 1:01:48 PM, bunsofaluminum60@... writes:
<< And that's a great idea, actually. Haul
out the resources we already have around the place, and look up some
planet names...after the kids get in from bike riding. But we also
have a birthday cake to bake. >>
I hope you don't make them look anything up, because I would feel terrible
about that.
Here's something I haven't shared for a while here, so maybe it's just time
anyway.
http://SandraDodd.com/aradicalthought
What you can do with your dictionary and encyclopedia...
A RADICAL THOUGHT
Never tell a child "Go look it up." Parents, teachers, friends and
countrymen, how would you like it?
When a child wants to know why flowers have a scent, they want someone to say
"To attract bees" not "GO LOOK IT UP."
"Go look it up" tends to mean "I don't know" or "I know but I'm not going to
tell you." What's the advantage of that?
Either a child will opt NOT to look it up (and the trust in the parent will
erode a little) or he will, under duress, perform this task which might be
difficult for him, or might take so long that he doesn't care anymore (and
the trust in the parent will erode a little).
I'm NOT saying to discourage kids from looking things up. I never said not to
show kids how to look things up. I mean don't treat it like something parents
won't do, parents don't have to do, but that kids do, or that kids have to
do, because they are powerless kids.
Encyclopedias should be alluring, not forbidding. Dictionaries should be a
playland, not a dark, scary place you dart into for one thing and slam shut
behind you. If you believe they ARE fun, you should look things up in front
of your children, often, and with enthusiasm. That will teach them how to use
reference materials, and will make them want to do so, because they will see
it as something useful and enjoyable that adults do. If you believe
dictionaries and encyclopedias ARE dark, scary and forbidding, why on EARTH
would you send your children there?
by Sandra Dodd
<< And that's a great idea, actually. Haul
out the resources we already have around the place, and look up some
planet names...after the kids get in from bike riding. But we also
have a birthday cake to bake. >>
I hope you don't make them look anything up, because I would feel terrible
about that.
Here's something I haven't shared for a while here, so maybe it's just time
anyway.
http://SandraDodd.com/aradicalthought
What you can do with your dictionary and encyclopedia...
A RADICAL THOUGHT
Never tell a child "Go look it up." Parents, teachers, friends and
countrymen, how would you like it?
When a child wants to know why flowers have a scent, they want someone to say
"To attract bees" not "GO LOOK IT UP."
"Go look it up" tends to mean "I don't know" or "I know but I'm not going to
tell you." What's the advantage of that?
Either a child will opt NOT to look it up (and the trust in the parent will
erode a little) or he will, under duress, perform this task which might be
difficult for him, or might take so long that he doesn't care anymore (and
the trust in the parent will erode a little).
I'm NOT saying to discourage kids from looking things up. I never said not to
show kids how to look things up. I mean don't treat it like something parents
won't do, parents don't have to do, but that kids do, or that kids have to
do, because they are powerless kids.
Encyclopedias should be alluring, not forbidding. Dictionaries should be a
playland, not a dark, scary place you dart into for one thing and slam shut
behind you. If you believe they ARE fun, you should look things up in front
of your children, often, and with enthusiasm. That will teach them how to use
reference materials, and will make them want to do so, because they will see
it as something useful and enjoyable that adults do. If you believe
dictionaries and encyclopedias ARE dark, scary and forbidding, why on EARTH
would you send your children there?
by Sandra Dodd