[email protected]

In a message dated 1/20/03 9:40:22 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< My kids love Harry Potter, watch Pokemon every night at 9 on Cartoon
Network, and are busily learning Elvish these days as a result of our
current obsession with LOTR. I don't give a flying fig whether JK Rowling
is a Christian or a Pagan, or an Atheist. She's a damn fine author and her
books have my 11 year old reading like there's no tomorrow. And yes, I've
had all of the hellfire and brimstone warnings about my children's certain
descent into witchcraft and all things horrible because of HP. >>

Sounds like you'll fit in just fine judging by this post!! grins

I think the annoyed attitude about Christians is more about the condemning
fearful ones that want you as far away from their children as possible
because you allow those things.
This list is actually very inclusive (unless you try to promote spanking or
school, lol) and represents many different belief systems.

Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com

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In a message dated 1/20/03 9:40:22 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< Anytime
an entire group of people *think* the same thing, there is no thinking at
all, imo. I have come to the belief that a vast majority of people like
to be indoctrinated. It releases them of all responsibility and reason. >>

Oh yes!! I SO agree with you on this Wende.

Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com

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In a message dated 1/22/03 5:21:13 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< I'll admit it, we spanked. But with the thoughts and insights of the
wonderful women on this list our home has been spank free. And I'll tell you,
it's wonderful, to see joy, happiness, and love in my childrens eyes instead
of fear, it's one of the best feelings in the world. (And to tell the truth,
I hadn't even noticed the fear, until it was gone and I am sad that I was the
one to put it there, but it is gone now and hopefully I will never have to
see it again.)
Rebecca >>

This is so good to read Rebecca..I am always a bit envious of someone that
can quit the spanking thing "cold turkey" since it was such a struggle for me.

Thank you for speaking up.

Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com

Julie Bogart <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected],
starsuncloud@c... wrote:

>
> This is so good to read Rebecca..I am always a bit envious of
someone that
> can quit the spanking thing "cold turkey" since it was such a
struggle for me.
>
> Thank you for speaking up.
>
> Ren


Ren, I just had to share. I was given a wooden spoon as a baby
shower gift for my second child. I almost fell over! They even
scheduled a talk on "how to use it biblically" during the shower.
Can you imagine!? I was horrified!

Unfortunately, we did spank off and on (mostly off) for the first
several years of parenting. It has never worked for us. But we
were repeatedly convinced that we must use it.

Now, we don't and it's great to feel fine about it.

Julie

myfunny4 <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], "Julie Bogart
<julie@b...>" <julie@b...> wrote:
>I was given a wooden spoon as a baby
> shower gift for my second child. I almost fell over! They even
> scheduled a talk on "how to use it biblically" during the shower.
> Can you imagine!? I was horrified!

I need to say this...

People don't spank because they're conservative Christian; they spank
because they haven't learned to manage their anger and frustration in
a healthy manner. This is true of liberals, conservative, Muslims,
Jews, Buddhists, atheists, pagans and Christians.

There is no reason to spank a child; it will not make him obey you,
but it will make him fear you. It will not make her respect you, but
she will resent you.

There is NO situation or circumstance that supports spanking.

I'm Christian...Catholic (although some Christians have called me a
paganistic idol worshipper <g>) by choice and belief, and I have
never spanked my kids (dd-17, dd-13, ds-10, ds-6). If the day ever
came when I felt I needed to spank my child, I would know that I had
failed as a Christian and a parent.

That sounds harsh, but I was spanked as a child; I know how it feels,
and the cycle will not repeat itself with me.

Had to get that out.

Debbie

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In a message dated 1/22/03 11:28:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
julie@... writes:

> Ren, I just had to share. I was given a wooden spoon as a baby
> shower gift for my second child. I almost fell over! They even
> scheduled a talk on "how to use it biblically" during the shower.
> Can you imagine!? I was horrified!
>
>
Gross.
I was hit with a wooden spoon as a child. Maybe that has something to do with
the fact that all my wooden spoons keep getting lost? I love my stainless
steel spoon I bought myself. It feels better in my hand. No bad memories I
guess.

*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/23/03 8:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Debbies4@... writes:

> People don't spank because they're conservative Christian; they spank
> because they haven't learned to manage their anger and frustration in
> a healthy manner

Oh Yeah, I forgot to mention that my mother (who also had wooden spoons) was
NOT Christian but Jewish.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/22/2003 11:28:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
julie@... writes:
> Ren, I just had to share. I was given a wooden spoon as a baby
> shower gift for my second child. I almost fell over! They even
> scheduled a talk on "how to use it biblically" during the shower.
> Can you imagine!? I was horrified!
>

My sister-in-law has a "pankin' 'poon". Her kids were terrified of it.
They're now older, so I guess the 'pankin' 'poon as taken a back seat. Now
it's groundings and washing their mouths out with soap. My kids can't believe
it!

~Kelly


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/23/03 10:19:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

> Now
> it's groundings and washing their mouths out with soap

Zack's step mom used to make him eat hot sauce when he said a "bad word"
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/23/03 10:23:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Earthmomma67@... writes:

> Zack's step mom used to make him eat hot sauce when he said a "bad word"
>

My mom used a yard stick and if we said a "bad" word we got a slap across the
mouth. My dh, Jackson, was locked in the basement. Dark, dingy, damp
basement. Dirt floor. I have seen it and it is worse than any spanking I
ever got. Can't imagine not knowing when someone would let you out. Scary
just thinking about it.
Pam G.


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/23/2003 8:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Debbies4@... writes:

> People don't spank because they're conservative Christian;

Many DO. They'll even show you how to DO it properly!

> I'm Christian...Catholic (although some Christians have called me a
> paganistic idol worshipper <g>) by choice and belief, and I have
> never spanked my kids (dd-17, dd-13, ds-10, ds-6). If the day ever
> came when I felt I needed to spank my child, I would know that I had
> failed as a Christian and a parent.

Catholic schools have for years been a hotbed of corporal punishment. I have
several Catholic friends who refuse to spank because of their tormented
childhoods. I know just as many who feel that it "worked" on them , so it'll
work on their kids. Same for conservative Christians. Oddly, I know of NO
pagans, Wiccans, Buddhists, or atheist/heathens, like myself, who spank. Go
figure!

~Kelly


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myfunny4 <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/23/2003 8:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Debbies4@c... writes:
>
> > People don't spank because they're conservative Christian;
>
> Many DO. They'll even show you how to DO it properly!
>

Many do. But it's not because they're conservative Christians; it's
because they have difficulty managing anger, or because they were
spanked, or because they believe it's okay to spank. These reasons
occur in all religions, and social and economic levels. Conservative
Christians are not inherently "spankers".

> Catholic schools have for years been a hotbed of corporal
punishment.

Not for about 20 years. I was never punished in Catholic school; I
was spanked at home. My parents loved me, but it was the way they
were raised, and my mom did have a problem handling anger.

> Oddly, I know of NO
> pagans, Wiccans, Buddhists, or atheist/heathens, like myself, who
spank. Go
> figure!
>

I do.

Debbie

Jodi

> >
> > > People don't spank because they're conservative Christian;
> >
> > Many DO. They'll even show you how to DO it properly!
> >
>

They showed us at our Church. It was awful, we had a ten week parenting
study last fall. They told us how to spank with the kitchen spatula. I was
just sitting there thinking, I can't believe I'm hearing this. It's a
Fundamentalist Church and we are ready to escape from all that.(I really
like the links sent through previously about the people who escaped
fundamentalism) Thank goodness I found this list and some other good ones.
We've been changing just about everything over the last few months, all for
the better :-).

Jodi M. in NH

DanickeHouse

<<I was given a wooden spoon as a baby shower gift for my second child. I
almost fell over!>>

Oh my goodness! Now that is a unique (and scary) shower gift! And I
thought the copy of "Dr. Spock" I received at my shower was a bad gift....

<<They even scheduled a talk on "how to use it biblically" during the
shower. Can you imagine!? I was horrified!>>

It is awful, but true to form I've found. Spankers seem to have a great
need to try to recruit as many parents as possible. I guess they feel the
more of them there are the less abusive they seem?

Liz
saremca@...
Age doesn't always bring wisdom, sometimes age comes alone.

DanickeHouse

<<My sister-in-law has a "pankin' 'poon". Her kids were terrified of it.>>

Wooden spoons seem to be a popular weapon of choice among those who spank.
My mom used one too. I hate them.

Liz
saremca@...
Age doesn't always bring wisdom, sometimes age comes alone.