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<<also, (totally diff. subj.) can anyone speak to the neccessity of having a
child hold a writing utensil "the correct way" and why it is important (or
not?) and whether it matters in what direction letters and numbers are
formed (bottom up instead of the customary top down on say, a "L")? i am
really feeling unqualified on the decision of whether to correct my dd in
these ways.


Hello all! I use to be on this list quite a long time ago, so I doubt if anyone would remember me. I just thought I jump right in and answer this question. :)

I hold my writing utensil with the pads of my fingers and a number of adults have tried to correct me. I would hold the pencil "the correct way" until out of their site and then go back to holding it my way. I still occassionally get comments from people when I am writing but it doesn't bother me. I suppose if it did I could learn how to hold it correctly. I guess in my long winded sort of way I am trying to tell you that I don't think it's neccessary to correct your child on how to hold her pencil. If the attention bothers her later than I'm sure she will teach herself. :) The same also goes for forming the letters. If it becomes difficult for her to write cursive then I'm sure she will make the adjustments. I'm not saying that you can't show her, but if you try to force it on her she will most likely resist. :)

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>Topics in today's digest:
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> 1. Re: fractions
> From: "Lisa Bugg" <LisaBugg@...>
> 2. Re: apology/Influences
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
> 3. fractions
> From: Campbell & Wyman <brynlee@...>
> 4. Re: Influences
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
> 5. Re: Respecting children's choices
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
> 6. Re: apology/Influences
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> 7. Re: archeology
> From: Jastypes@...
> 8. Re: Respecting children's choices/paths of
> From: "Debra Bures" <buresfam@...>
> 9. Re: Respecting children's choices
> From: Monkeycoop@...
> 10. Re: archeology
> From: "Debra Bures" <buresfam@...>
> 11. Re: apology
> From: "Corinna" <irocket@...>
> 12. Re: Respecting children's choices/paths of
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
> 13. Re: Re: apology
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
> 14. Re: Influences
> From: Linda Wyatt <hilinda@...>
> 15. Re: Respecting children's choices
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
> 16. Re: Influences
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
> 17. Re: Influences
> From: Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall <tn-k4of5@...>
> 18. spelling bees also writing correction
> From: MORELFAM@...
> 19. RE: Influences /it's not really about pokemon
> From: Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall <tn-k4of5@...>
> 20. Re: spelling bees also writing correction
> From: Monkeycoop@...
> 21. Re: apology/Influences
> From: Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall <tn-k4of5@...>
> 22. Re: Re: apology
> From: "Corinna" <irocket@...>
>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:20:20 -0600
> From: "Lisa Bugg" <LisaBugg@...>
>Subject: Re: fractions
>
>
>> I am looking for a good site for making fraction equivalencies
>easier to
>> understand. I have used baking (and doubling recipes) and
>manipulatives
>but
>> I was wondering if there was anything else really wonderful out
>there.
>> This would be for my daughter who is in late elementary level
>...grade
>5/6.
>>
>
>How about sewing or making something. Using a measuring tape? The
>clock is
>also useful, especially for comparing quarter of an hour to a quarter
>of a
>dollar. Order two pizza's and cut them up until you have little
>bitty
>pieces. <g>
>
>If she were younger I would suggest Bath Math. Save all kinds of
>containers, all sizes and play with them in the bathtub. How many
>quarts
>fill up the gallon, how many gallons fill a teaspoon. You can add
>food
>coloring to some of the jugs and mix colors that way too. But she's
>probably to old for this idea. <g>
>
>Also, remember sometimes understanding comes in spurts. What seems
>like a
>struggle this week may be a breeze in a two months.
>
>LisaKK
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 07:56:36 +0000
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
>Subject: Re: apology/Influences
>
>Corinna wrote:
>I dislike flame wars and to tell the truth, have never been in one
>before now. It just seemed more wrong to say nothing than to say
>something in defense of my religion. It saddens me to see such scorn
>of
>a truly beautiful faith.
>what flame war?
>and
>who/ what was said that was against your religion?
>
>did i miss something?
>
>-susan
>austin,tx
>
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 07:35:35 -0800
> From: Campbell & Wyman <brynlee@...>
>Subject: fractions
>
>Thank you Lisa...
>some great ideas. The pizza is one I really like.
>But especially for reminding me of the 'ages and stages' of learning.
>Point
>well made. I am definitely getting better at this...perhaps I am more
>relaxed with the fact that when they rub their eyes and groan it is
>a
>clear sign that the material is either not of interest (right now)or
>that
>they are just not ready ( maybe later). :)
>
>
>Brooke in BC
>who will spend the afternoon cross-country skiing with a group of
>hsers
>...homelearning is SUCH fun!
>
>From Lisa:
>
>How about sewing or making something. Using a measuring tape? The
>clock is
>also useful, especially for comparing quarter of an hour to a quarter
>of a
>dollar. Order two pizza's and cut them up until you have little
>bitty
>pieces. <g>
>
>
>Also, remember sometimes understanding comes in spurts. What seems
>like a
>struggle this week may be a breeze in a two months.
>
>LisaKK
>
>
>brynlee@...
>
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>Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 10:11:53 +0000
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
>Subject: Re: Influences
>
>Karol Gale wrote:
>the gentleman who wrote the article did do his research
>there is a difference between research .and a well thought out
>opinion.
>research would entail a more well rounded approach not merely one
>angle.
>
>And that often times it is the truth that gets under our skin!!
>actual i enjoy truth because is very expansive. it's fear and
>ethnocentric based judgment that bother me because it leaves no room
>for
>people who are different.
>
>So....now I will be waiting for input from the rest of you on this
>subject!!! *grin*
>i thought i would pass on some exerts from and article "an
>unschooler's
>lament: what's so hard to understand" by mary griffith (the author of
>two
>handbooks for homeschooling and unschooling). the article was
>published in
>the mag paths of learning.
>
>'i discovered three elements common to unschooling families:
>
>an environment conducive to exploration and experimentation. to put
>the
>matter bluntly, we unschoolers have lots of stuff around to play
>with.
>the nature of that stuff varies with the interests and needs of each
>family; from books overflowing their shelves, to pots and pans to
>stack and
>bang, to backyard garden to cultivate, to a screaming fast computer,
>our
>homes have lots of easily accessible materials around for children to
>investigate. if we want our kids to learn by following their own
>interests, we need to offer them plenty to catch those interests.
>
>adults as models and facilitators. unschooling parents, like most
>other
>parents, learn rapidly that "do as i say, not as i do" does not work
>very
>well with children. unschooling kids need people around them who
>provide
>models of learning by the way they live and in activities they pursue.
> if
>we parents are not obviously curious about and interested in the
>world
>around us, if we ourselves never ask questions and search for answers,
>if
>we never just try things and see what happens, it's unlikely that our
>kids
>will do so, either.
>
>trust that children will learn. for most people, this is the big
>obstacle
>to understanding unschooling and allowing it to work. perhaps the
>conventional school education that created our own model of learning
>creates an impression that learning is supposed to be difficult or
>boring,
>or that learning cannot and will not occur unless someone is
>explicitly
>teaching, providing information in little age-appro[riate packets,
>giving
>quizzes on wednesdays and tests on fridays. eventually, once we've
>bitten
>our tongues and sat on our hands and held our breaths long enough to
>let
>our kids learn to trust their own abilities, we discover that we can
>trust
>their abilities as well. in fact, we discover that it's almost
>impossible
>to stop our kids from learning, that kids, already intensely curious,
>are
>eager to indulge their curiosity.'
>
>she goes on to say:
>
>'of course, even better than applying manufacturing models of more
>recent
>vintage than the industrial revolution to education and learning would
>be
>to drop the dehumanizing industrial models entirely and start treating
>both
>children and adult learners as full, active participants in the
>educational
>process. in other words, instead of looking at improving
>instructional
>delivery systems or accountability procedures, shouldn't we talk
>seriously
>with our kids about their particular educational paths, learning from
>them
>how they learn best and what they find helpful or obstructive to
>their
>learning processes? aren't our kids entitled to direct a process
>that
>prepares them for their own future?'
>
>she concludes by saying:
>
>'however, let me be clear: "because it works" isn't a sound enough
>reason
>for me to advocate unschooling in particular and, more generally,
>treating
>our children as full partners in our lives. our children are fellow
>human
>beings - they are our colleagues in the making of the world, in the
>creation of our joint future. treating them as fully human, with
>respect
>and decency, recognizing them as people just like us, is what we owe
>them
>and what we owe ourselves. it's simply the right thing to do.'
>
>though this is purely philosophical i hope it will be of some use to
>you.
>for me having a strong grasp of the underlining concept helps me work
>with
>all the many of variables we face each day.
>
>-susan
>austin,tx
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 10:51:11 +0000
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
>Subject: Re: Respecting children's choices
>
>this is a great story. it shows a great level of empathy.
>
>I think if i concentrate on the values i believe are important, like
>honesty,
>tolerance, kindness, respect, she can go through as many 'fads' as she
>wants and
>come out with things that really matter.
>fads and peer pressure do cause problems but nothing they will not
>encounter
>when they're adults. i think it's very important for kids to develop
>the
>strength and courage to think for themselves rather than be completely
>sheltered
>(though they do need a certain degree so they don't become
>overwhelmed) and as
>adults be confronted with situations that are vastly different than
>what they
>are use to.
>
> i was just reading the editorial in a new mag paths of learning which
>is about
>how compassion/altruism is developed. richard prystowsky, the author,
>states
>that:
>
>'one of the most important of these points [how altruistic attitudes
>and
>behavior are developed] is that... parental influence was a
>monumentally
>influential factor in rescuers' (of victims of the holocaust)
>attitudes and
>behavior towards those whom they helped (or tried to help).'
>also:
>'...the perceptions of altruistic rescuers: compared to the
>perceptions of
>nonrescuers, "significantly more frequently, [rescuers] perceived
>themselves as
>like other people, sharing a fundamental humanity".
>
>finially, he suggests that we:
>'...ask ourselves how we might develop an ever-stronger ethic of
>caring so that,
>more often than not, we can teach with compassion and model this
>teaching for
>our children, our students, our communities and the world at large.
>...
>primarily, we want to choose a path of teaching, living and learning
>that helps
>us to create the kind of world in which violence would be unknown and
>rescuer
>behavior, thus, unnecessary.'
>
>just some interesting ideas.
>
>-susan
>austin,tx
>
>
>JENNIFE30@... wrote:
>
>>
>> My daughter is 8 and when she first became interested, i mean
>obsessed :-), i
>> became a little concerned. I don't want to dictate what she can and
>can't be
>> interrested in though; i want her to learn to make her own choices
>and not
>> rely on someone else to tell her what to do, so i just let it go. I
>found
>> that she isn't into it because it's cool to be, she really loves
>the
>> characters and the shows.
>> I have also found some positive aspects to the craze. One thing,
>it's
>> something that just about every kid knows something about, and
>it's an easy
>> ice breaker. She starts conversations with kids all the time with
>pokemon.
>> I notice they may start with pokemon, but they end up talking about
>or
>> playing other things after a while. And at the few burger king
>trading
>> nights we've been to, it all begins with pokemon, but after a while
>the kids
>> end up in the play area making up new games and just playing.
>> One of the best 'pokemon experiences' i had was when i was with my
>daughter
>> at the swap meet, and she told the vendor that he was selling a
>certain card
>> for much less than it was worth. He looked it up, and sure enough,
>she was
>> right. He was very impressed and thanked her for telling him.
>Afterwards,
>> she said she really wanted the card, and had enough money to buy it
>at the
>> low price, but she knew that that was the wrong thing to do. I told
>her i
>> was proud of her. I think if i concentrate on the values i believe
>are
>> important, like honesty, tolerance, kindness, respect, she can go
>through as
>> many 'fads' as she wants and come out with things that really
>matter.
>>
>
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>_________
>______________________________________________________________________
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>
>Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:16:28 -0800
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
>Subject: Re: apology/Influences
>
>Well, I guess we all missed that one. I am on other lists that are a
>real
>mix of folks and we have discussions all the time about religion
>without
>any problem. But, it doesn't start off assuming everyone is a
>certain
>religion.
>
>Now, I went back and read my original post and I guess, not being face
>to
>face, the first part came off too strong. I was passing on a warning
>that
>a lawyer posted on a another list (actually, his was a threat) that it
>is
>not legal to post complete articles without posting that you have the
>author's permission, that you can "snip" and then link but not post
>the
>whole thing.
>
>As to the comments on the article, that had to do with the person
>writing
>the article and had nothing to do with religion, just his manipulation
>of
>Biblical verse to suit his personal opinions. that can hardly be
>called a
>flame war of an attack on religion, not by any stretch of the
>imagination!
>
>Lynda
>
>----------
>> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] apology/Influences
>> Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:56 PM
>>
>Corinna wrote:
>I dislike flame wars and to tell the truth, have never been in one
>before now. It just seemed more wrong to say nothing than to say
>something in defense of my religion. It saddens me to see such scorn
>of
>a truly beautiful faith.
>what flame war?
>and
>who/ what was said that was against your religion?
>
>did i miss something?
>
>-susan
>austin,tx
>
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>Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:07:31 EST
> From: Jastypes@...
>Subject: Re: archeology
>
>In a message dated 1/6/2000 3:22:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>megates@... writes:
>
><< Jill, I like this idea. Can I use it in my Homeschool Co-op
>newsletter?
> If so, do you prefer I use your name or not? (It goes to about 30
> families in WA state.) >>
>
>Oh, please, feel free to use it. I can't remember where I got the
>idea from,
>but it wasn't originally mine, so I can't take the credit for it.
>
>Love ya,
>Jill
>
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:34:28 -0500
> From: "Debra Bures" <buresfam@...>
>Subject: Re: Respecting children's choices/paths of
>
>Susan
> Tell me more about this magazine, paths of learning, please
> Debra
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thad Martin
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 5:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Respecting children's choices
>
>
> this is a great story. it shows a great level of empathy.
> I think if i concentrate on the values i believe are important, like
>honesty, tolerance, kindness, respect, she can go through as many
>'fads' as she wants and come out with things that really matter.
> fads and peer pressure do cause problems but nothing they will not
>encounter when they're adults. i think it's very important for kids
>to develop the strength and courage to think for themselves rather
>than be completely sheltered (though they do need a certain degree so
>they don't become overwhelmed) and as adults be confronted with
>situations that are vastly different than what they are use to.
>
> i was just reading the editorial in a new mag paths of learning
>which is about how compassion/altruism is developed. richard
>prystowsky, the author, states that:
>
> 'one of the most important of these points [how altruistic attitudes
>and behavior are developed] is that... parental influence was a
>monumentally influential factor in rescuers' (of victims of the
>holocaust) attitudes and behavior towards those whom they helped (or
>tried to help).'
> also:
> '...the perceptions of altruistic rescuers: compared to the
>perceptions of nonrescuers, "significantly more frequently, [rescuers]
>perceived themselves as like other people, sharing a fundamental
>humanity".
>
> finially, he suggests that we:
> '...ask ourselves how we might develop an ever-stronger ethic of
>caring so that, more often than not, we can teach with compassion and
>model this teaching for our children, our students, our communities
>and the world at large. ... primarily, we want to choose a path of
>teaching, living and learning that helps us to create the kind of
>world in which violence would be unknown and rescuer behavior, thus,
>unnecessary.'
>
> just some interesting ideas.
>
> -susan
> austin,tx
>
>
> JENNIFE30@... wrote:
>
>
> My daughter is 8 and when she first became interested, i mean
>obsessed :-), i
> became a little concerned. I don't want to dictate what she can
>and can't be
> interrested in though; i want her to learn to make her own choices
>and not
> rely on someone else to tell her what to do, so i just let it go.
>I found
> that she isn't into it because it's cool to be, she really loves
>the
> characters and the shows.
> I have also found some positive aspects to the craze. One thing,
>it's
> something that just about every kid knows something about, and
>it's an easy
> ice breaker. She starts conversations with kids all the time with
>pokemon.
> I notice they may start with pokemon, but they end up talking
>about or
> playing other things after a while. And at the few burger king
>trading
> nights we've been to, it all begins with pokemon, but after a
>while the kids
> end up in the play area making up new games and just playing.
> One of the best 'pokemon experiences' i had was when i was with my
>daughter
> at the swap meet, and she told the vendor that he was selling a
>certain card
> for much less than it was worth. He looked it up, and sure
>enough, she was
> right. He was very impressed and thanked her for telling him.
>Afterwards,
> she said she really wanted the card, and had enough money to buy
>it at the
> low price, but she knew that that was the wrong thing to do. I
>told her i
> was proud of her. I think if i concentrate on the values i
>believe are
> important, like honesty, tolerance, kindness, respect, she can go
>through as
> many 'fads' as she wants and come out with things that really
>matter.
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:37:54 EST
> From: Monkeycoop@...
>Subject: Re: Respecting children's choices
>
>In a message dated 1/7/2000 10:47:26 AM Central Standard Time,
>tmartin@... writes:
>
><< i was just reading the editorial in a new mag paths of learning
>which is
>about
> how compassion/altruism is developed. >>
>Hello,
>I've only been a lurker until this point, but I wanted to tell you
>(Susan)
>how much I enjoyed this post. Can you tell us more about the magazine
>to
>which you were referring? Did you mean it's a new magazine, or did
>you mean
>you have a new issue? Thanks
>
>pax et bonum,
>KIM
>
>
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>______________________________________________________________________
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>
>Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:42:07 -0500
> From: "Debra Bures" <buresfam@...>
>Subject: Re: archeology
>
><<Oh, please, feel free to use it. I can't remember where I got the
>idea
>from,
>but it wasn't originally mine, so I can't take the credit for it. >>
> We did this experiment, too. I think it was from Robert Krampf's
>Experiment
>of the Week
> We also did stuff on observations--we have soem acreage and woods.
>My dh
>and i walked into the woods and put stuff all over that didn't
>belong(potholder, clothes pin, toy, hair tie, etc) then we went into
>the
>wood with a bunch of kids and they tried to find the stuff that
>wouldn't be
>there naturally.
>We also made sound maps--you sit quietly outside with a paper and
>pencil.
>Indicate on the paper some land mark ie: a tree, the house and/or the
>road.
>Listening carefully, map out the sound that you hear and where they
>are. My
>kids heard birds, cars, trucks, the dogs' tags rattling, the wind, an
>airplane among other things
> Debra
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Jastypes@...>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 2:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] archeology
>
>
>> In a message dated 1/6/2000 3:22:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> megates@... writes:
>>
>> << Jill, I like this idea. Can I use it in my Homeschool Co-op
>newsletter?
>> If so, do you prefer I use your name or not? (It goes to about 30
>> families in WA state.) >>
>>
>> Oh, please, feel free to use it. I can't remember where I got the
>idea
>from,
>> but it wasn't originally mine, so I can't take the credit for it.
>>
>> Love ya,
>> Jill
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>Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:49:14 -0800
> From: "Corinna" <irocket@...>
>Subject: Re: apology
>
>Okay, good, I'm glad that wasn't considered a flame war. It's as mean
>and nasty as I ever get, so now you've all seen the worst of me.
>
>Susan, I don't know if you missed anything or not. It's all archived
>at onelist if you want to go see.
>
>God bless us all anyway.
>
>```````````````````````````````````
>Virtually yours,
>Corinna
>irocket@...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thad Martin
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] apology/Influences
>
>
> Corinna wrote:
> I dislike flame wars and to tell the truth, have never been in one
>before now. It just seemed more wrong to say nothing than to say
>something in defense of my religion. It saddens me to see such scorn
>of a truly beautiful faith.
> what flame war?
> and
> who/ what was said that was against your religion?
> did i miss something?
>
> -susan
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>Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:15:12 +0000
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
>Subject: Re: Respecting children's choices/paths of
>
>hi,
>
>they have a web site and their first issue is free (the issue this
>article is in is the second issue). i enjoy the mag very much. i
>find
>it intelligent and thought provoking as well as some what diverse -
>not
>just homeschooling but includes many different alternatives to
>mainstream thought on education. they include writes of students
>which
>is a very nice addition.
>
>-susan
>
>Debra Bures wrote:
>
>> Susan Tell me more about this magazine, paths of learning, please
>> Debra
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>Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:23:02 +0000
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: apology
>
>i was hoping since you were so bothered by the direction and tone of
>the
>dialogue that you could be a bit specific about what exaclyt was done
>to
>offend you. i for one am not here to step on peoples toes but can't
>really address such ambiguous claims. just trying to be a
>considerate
>'neighbor'. if the best i can do is hear you than consider it done.
>
>-susan
>austin,tx
>
>Corinna wrote:
>
>> Susan, I don't know if you missed anything or not. It's all
>archived
>> at onelist if you want to go see.
>
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>Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:22:55 -0500
> From: Linda Wyatt <hilinda@...>
>Subject: Re: Influences
>
>
>> I have never really understood why adults try to trick kids into
>learning
>> stuff "without them realizing it." To my way of thinking, learning
>isn't
>> some awful tasting medicine to be disguised and forced down, but
>something
>> wonderful to be celebrated and enjoyed! I don't try to hide
>learning
>
>Hear, hear! I thought that needed repeating.
>
>Same goes for the concept of "taking a break" from learning. Um...
>why?
>
>
>Linda
>
>--
>Linda Wyatt
>hilinda@...
>http://www.lightlink.com/hilinda
>Learning everywhere, all the time.
>Algebra before breakfast
>"A lie, you see, no matter how often or how vociferously repeated, may
>be
>mistaken for the truth, but it does not become the truth." - Adam
>Crown
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>Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:38:18 +0000
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
>Subject: Re: Respecting children's choices
>
>hi,
>
>their new site is http://www.pathsoflearning.com/ and it has a link to
>their
>old site.
>
>the excerpt is from the new (2nd) issue of a new mag. they are
>offering their
>1st issue free and it's certainly worth it -in my opinion. though
>personally
>i don't use, and will probably never, use many of the ideas presented
>the
>knowledge of the different approaches and philosophies used by
>different people
>is invaluable to me. i love diversity. i believe the more you know
>the
>better equipped you are at choosing and modifying what works for you
>and your
>family individually. this mag gives me a lot of info to bolster my
>own
>philosophical beliefs because it's view is educational not just
>homeschooling
>so articles are written by people from many different alternative
>perspectives.
>
>just my opinion,
>susan
>austin, tx
>
>Monkeycoop@... wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>> I've only been a lurker until this point, but I wanted to tell you
>(Susan)
>> how much I enjoyed this post. Can you tell us more about the
>magazine to
>> which you were referring? Did you mean it's a new magazine, or did
>you mean
>> you have a new issue? Thanks
>>
>> pax et bonum,
>> KIM
>>
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>Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:40:53 +0000
> From: Thad Martin <tmartin@...>
>Subject: Re: Influences
>
>"A lie, you see, no matter how often or how vociferously repeated, may
>be
>mistaken for the truth, but it does not become the truth." - Adam
>Crown
>
>so does this quote
>-susan
>austin,tx
>
>Linda Wyatt wrote:
>
>> > I have never really understood why adults try to trick kids into
>learning
>> > stuff "without them realizing it." To my way of thinking,
>learning isn't
>> > some awful tasting medicine to be disguised and forced down, but
>something
>> > wonderful to be celebrated and enjoyed! I don't try to hide
>learning
>>
>> Hear, hear! I thought that needed repeating.
>>
>> Same goes for the concept of "taking a break" from learning. Um...
>why?
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> --
>> Linda Wyatt
>> hilinda@...
>> http://www.lightlink.com/hilinda
>> Learning everywhere, all the time.
>> Algebra before breakfast
>> "A lie, you see, no matter how often or how vociferously repeated,
>may be
>> mistaken for the truth, but it does not become the truth." - Adam
>Crown
>
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>Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 20:22:29 -0700
> From: Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall <tn-k4of5@...>
>Subject: Re: Influences
>
>><< As Christian parents/grandparents
>
>>#1: We are not Christians.
>>
>>#2: I don't feel this sort of propaganda is appropriate to this
>list.
>>
>>#3: I do not feel that seeing "Satan" in Pokemon lends the Christian
>point
>>of view very much credibility.
>>
>>
>>Nance
>
>I was beginning to wonder myself what the heck was going on here. We
>are
>not Christian either, and also do not feel that this type of Zionist
>rhetoric has a place here. It's bad enough to get people knocking on
>your
>door trying to shove their religious beliefs and interpretations down
>your
>throat. Do we have to have it here, on one of my most beloved lists
>as
>well???
>
>Nanci K.
>
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>Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:25:29 EST
> From: MORELFAM@...
>Subject: spelling bees also writing correction
>
>hi again unschoolers! i de-listed for the holiday season and have
>just read
>a day or two of digests before this post to re-join! i see that there
>is
>another no-caps erin here! hi! i will be erin m., i guess! hope
>alot of
>familiar voices are still here, as well as some valuable new ones!
>
>i have just a couple of threads on my mind to start me back...
>first, is anyone participating in their local competition of the
>scripps-howard spelling bee later this month? i am wondering how the
>
>different areas are handling homeschoolers who participate, as i
>volunteered
>to coordinate our local support group bee, not knowing that our
>"region" had
>not much experience with homeschoolers participating (a single
>participant
>here and there) and so we have been doing a lot of problem solving and
>
>creative co-operating with the county, etc.
>
>also, (totally diff. subj.) can anyone speak to the neccessity of
>having a
>child hold a writing utensil "the correct way" and why it is important
>(or
>not?) and whether it matters in what direction letters and numbers
>are
>formed (bottom up instead of the customary top down on say, a "L")?
>i am
>really feeling unqualified on the decision of whether to correct my dd
>in
>these ways.
>
>thanks for any input!!
>erin m.
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>Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 22:16:01 -0700
> From: Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall <tn-k4of5@...>
>Subject: RE: Influences /it's not really about pokemon
>
>At 11:21 AM 01/06/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>> Thank you Susan! I couldn't agree more. Wonderful email. Brynn
>
>
>I have to second that. I wanted to add a couple of comments also.
>
>Corinna Wrote "How does it look when we, as homeschoolers, can't even
>get
>along amongst ourselves? United we stand, divided we fall."
>
>and Susan:
>"the iroquios have a saying 'unity through diversity' so why can't
>our
>diversity be accessible? what's wrong with just commenting on a topic
>without it being taken as a personal attack? to me this is real
>strength."
>
>How does it look to whom? Frankly it's insulting to be told to sit
>down
>and be quiet because we are rocking the boat, or some such notion.
>Who
>cares what we "Look Like"? I thought we were among friends. Or is
>there a
>discretionary committee of judgemental, superficial 'old women'
>peeping
>through the curtains at us who are going to gossip to the neighbors?
>The initial address of the letter in question "As Christian
>Parents/Grandparents.." does, as someone else already mentioned,
>completely
>lump everyone together on this list as Christian. I take exception to
>that,
>not being Christian, as do a number of other list members. As others
>have
>mentioned, this is an INCLUSIVE list. There are plenty of lists out
>there
>that are slanted towards particular religious views, and in particular
>a
>large number of Christian Homeschooling lists. I would like to see
>this
>list remain open and welcoming to those of all faiths.
>
>Nanci K.
>
>
>
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>Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:25:42 EST
> From: Monkeycoop@...
>Subject: Re: spelling bees also writing correction
>
>In a message dated 1/7/2000 10:25:53 PM Central Standard Time,
>MORELFAM@... writes:
>
><< can anyone speak to the neccessity of having a
> child hold a writing utensil "the correct way" and why it is
>important (or
> not?) and whether it matters in what direction letters and numbers
>are
> formed (bottom up instead of the customary top down on say, a "L")
>>>
>Hi erin,
>I'm not an expert, but I would guess that the direction of the letters
>would
>become more important when the child begins to write in cursive. I
>think the
>letters would join together better if they were written in the
>"standard"
>direction. As far as the pencil "grip", I wouldn't worry too much
>about it.
>I have always held my pencil incorrectly (resting on my ring finger
>instead
>of my middle finger), and have suffered no consequences other than
>mildly
>sloppy handwriting. I would concern myself more with how tightly the
>child
>is holding the pencil. I discovered that one of my sons holds his
>pencil in
>a death grip - his little knuckles were turning white. When he
>remembers to
>loosen up a bit his writing is more legible and he enjoys writing more
>
>because he doesn't get fatigued. Again, I'm only qualified to offer
>my
>opinion - YMMV.
>
>pax et bonum,
>KIM
>
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>Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 22:54:26 -0700
> From: Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall <tn-k4of5@...>
>Subject: Re: apology/Influences
>
>> Corinna wrote:
>> It saddens me to see such scorn of a truly beautiful faith.
>>what flame war?
>>and
>>who/ what was said that was against your religion? did i miss
>something?
>>-susan
>>austin,tx
>
>
>Ditto, and Ditto????
>
>I don't even see any smoke!
>
>Nanci K.
>
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>Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 00:54:52 -0800
> From: "Corinna" <irocket@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: apology
>
>I'm sorry, I will not name names or point fingers. It's as plain as a
>the sun to me, but if you can't pick it out, that's a good thing, keep
>your innocence. This subject is a dead horse. I'm done.
>
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>Virtually yours,
>Corinna
>irocket@...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Thad Martin
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 7:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: apology
>
>
> i was hoping since you were so bothered by the direction and tone of
>the dialogue that you could be a bit specific about what exaclyt was
>done to offend you. i for one am not here to step on peoples toes
>but can't really address such ambiguous claims. just trying to be a
>considerate 'neighbor'. if the best i can do is hear you than
>consider it done.
> -susan
> austin,tx
>
> Corinna wrote:
>
> Susan, I don't know if you missed anything or not. It's all
>archived at onelist if you want to go see.
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