Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] RE: Tattoos
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:21:07 -0500 "Debra Hartrum-Disciples Now"
<deb@...> writes:
previously she had been discussing it with her Mom, almost as an "I dare
you to say no" thing. Mom laid down the law, and told her if she got one
that she was out of the house. More out of rebellion than anything
else,on her 18th birthday my niece went and got a tatoo, and pierced her
nose, and pierced her bellybutton, and found an apartment. Well now, at
21, she is back at home with Mom, asking her mom why she can't get past
the first interview for any job she has applied at, sad about the scar
she has on her nose where her piercing got all infected. She actually
told her Mom that if she would have just said it would be fine if you get
a tattoo, that she probably wouldn't have had it done. Maybe if you just
told your sons that it was fine, and took the younger ones to see how it
was done and how painful it is, maybe the glamor and desire would be
gone. Maybe you or your husband could put on a really good fake tattoo
for a while, to show them how silly it could look when they get older. Go
out in public places with your sons, bearing a big old tribal tat across
your forehead. Maybe they'll get the idea.
I was told that I couldn't get my ears pierced until I was 14. So on my
14th birthday I went to the mall and had my ears pierced....5 times. At
least the holes weren't permanent.
I am definetely not looking forward to teenagers!!!
Wende
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<deb@...> writes:
> This probably seems trivial but my 19 year old had a tattoo put onds2
> his arm as a form of "self expression" on his 18th birthday and now my
> who turned 18 today wants to do the same thing. I imagine my 14 and 11My niece did the same thing when she turned 18. For about two years
> year olds will follow suit as well now.
previously she had been discussing it with her Mom, almost as an "I dare
you to say no" thing. Mom laid down the law, and told her if she got one
that she was out of the house. More out of rebellion than anything
else,on her 18th birthday my niece went and got a tatoo, and pierced her
nose, and pierced her bellybutton, and found an apartment. Well now, at
21, she is back at home with Mom, asking her mom why she can't get past
the first interview for any job she has applied at, sad about the scar
she has on her nose where her piercing got all infected. She actually
told her Mom that if she would have just said it would be fine if you get
a tattoo, that she probably wouldn't have had it done. Maybe if you just
told your sons that it was fine, and took the younger ones to see how it
was done and how painful it is, maybe the glamor and desire would be
gone. Maybe you or your husband could put on a really good fake tattoo
for a while, to show them how silly it could look when they get older. Go
out in public places with your sons, bearing a big old tribal tat across
your forehead. Maybe they'll get the idea.
I was told that I couldn't get my ears pierced until I was 14. So on my
14th birthday I went to the mall and had my ears pierced....5 times. At
least the holes weren't permanent.
I am definetely not looking forward to teenagers!!!
Wende
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Stephanie Elms
I remember when my brother got his ear pierced. I helped him keep it a secret from
my dad. My dad was not happy but survived finding out. Now 15 + years later, my dad
has 2 tattoos (as does his wife). My dad is a very straight laced, retired air
force colonel (reserves), republican who also has a cpa. His wife is a vp of
personnel of a hospital.
My brother has added a tattoo, a nipple ring and a tongue ring. He also has gone through
various hair styles and colors. He is a great guy...never into drugs or drinking. Loves
playing bass in a band, teaches violin to kids (who love him because he is so cool).
He has a great head on his shoulders. For awhile he was volunteering at the Red Cross
driving senior citizens around phoenix. The little old ladies loved him, he has that
kind of personality. He also put thought into his self-expression...he did not want
anything that too extreme or that he would regret having when he got older. They are
very discretely placed.
My hubby got a tattoo 2 years ago...a really cool celtic band around his ankle. I have
been trying to get up enough nerve to get a small one. I get faint really easily.
My brother nearly fainted himself when he heard that I might get one LOL! I guess
I don't seem the type... ;o)
Stephanie E.
my dad. My dad was not happy but survived finding out. Now 15 + years later, my dad
has 2 tattoos (as does his wife). My dad is a very straight laced, retired air
force colonel (reserves), republican who also has a cpa. His wife is a vp of
personnel of a hospital.
My brother has added a tattoo, a nipple ring and a tongue ring. He also has gone through
various hair styles and colors. He is a great guy...never into drugs or drinking. Loves
playing bass in a band, teaches violin to kids (who love him because he is so cool).
He has a great head on his shoulders. For awhile he was volunteering at the Red Cross
driving senior citizens around phoenix. The little old ladies loved him, he has that
kind of personality. He also put thought into his self-expression...he did not want
anything that too extreme or that he would regret having when he got older. They are
very discretely placed.
My hubby got a tattoo 2 years ago...a really cool celtic band around his ankle. I have
been trying to get up enough nerve to get a small one. I get faint really easily.
My brother nearly fainted himself when he heard that I might get one LOL! I guess
I don't seem the type... ;o)
Stephanie E.
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In a message dated 1/17/03 5:08:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
love-it-here@... writes:
rather than tattoos and piercings.
I have my nose pierced (never got infected because I made sre to use a
reputable pircer and followed their instructions for cleaning. And it didn't
really hurt.
DH & I also have tattoos. Neither of us look "silly" now that we are older.
Body art is an extremely personal thing and not an easy decision for anyone.
I hope my children can feel that they can come to me and discuss such a big
(permanent) decision with me. I try to let them know that. My older two ahve
already asked for piercings, dredlocks, and multicolored hair. (They are 9 &
15) Neither have any of those yet, probably because I said sure. I'll take
you. Let's find out how much it costs, how it's done, pros & cons and they
can decide. I think Emily would look rather cute in dreds!
I'm not sure that the job interviews are not going well because of her
tattoos and piercings. Unless she is wearing clothing that shows her belly
button ring (clothing would be the problem not the piercing). I suggest you
suggest to her that she ask the interviewer when turned down for a job, what
she could do next time that would improve her interviewing skills. Many
people don't interview well. I wouldn't blame it on body art that shouldn't
even be exposed during a job interview.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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love-it-here@... writes:
> Maybe if you justIf my parents had done that I would think that THEY were pretty ridiculous
> told your sons that it was fine, and took the younger ones to see how it
> was done and how painful it is, maybe the glamor and desire would be
> gone. Maybe you or your husband could put on a really good fake tattoo
> for a while, to show them how silly it could look when they get older. Go
> out in public places with your sons, bearing a big old tribal tat across
> your forehead.
rather than tattoos and piercings.
I have my nose pierced (never got infected because I made sre to use a
reputable pircer and followed their instructions for cleaning. And it didn't
really hurt.
DH & I also have tattoos. Neither of us look "silly" now that we are older.
Body art is an extremely personal thing and not an easy decision for anyone.
I hope my children can feel that they can come to me and discuss such a big
(permanent) decision with me. I try to let them know that. My older two ahve
already asked for piercings, dredlocks, and multicolored hair. (They are 9 &
15) Neither have any of those yet, probably because I said sure. I'll take
you. Let's find out how much it costs, how it's done, pros & cons and they
can decide. I think Emily would look rather cute in dreds!
I'm not sure that the job interviews are not going well because of her
tattoos and piercings. Unless she is wearing clothing that shows her belly
button ring (clothing would be the problem not the piercing). I suggest you
suggest to her that she ask the interviewer when turned down for a job, what
she could do next time that would improve her interviewing skills. Many
people don't interview well. I wouldn't blame it on body art that shouldn't
even be exposed during a job interview.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:19:00 EST Earthmomma67@... writes:
ridiculous then?
have said to me regarding their own tats that they got when they are
young and regret now. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the artwork that
goes into tattoos. Dh knows of a tat artist who gets many calls from
people regarding having them removed. Most, but not all, of these people
got the tattoos impetuously, on a dare, while drunk, as part of
initiation, spur of the moment kinds of things, not really thinking about
having them forever. A lot of people also want them removed or changed
because they were names of people who are no longer in their lives.
probably because I >said sure. I'll take you. Let's find out how much
it costs, how it's done, pros & >cons and they can decide. I think
Emily would look rather cute in dreds!
The things you mentioned here aren't permanent. They are a temporary look
for whatever reason. My 3dd likes to wear her rainbow clown wig out in
public, all the time. It makes people smile.
interviewing skills.
dealer that sells high end cars. He told me outright that her appearance
was the reason. Their business was to sell cars. He didn't feel as if his
clientele would buy a car from someone with a pierced nose or visible
tattoo. When he asked her if she would be willing to remove the nose ring
and conceal the tat, she said no. For her it was a statement. For him it
was business. Discrimination? probably. Reality? most definitely. First
impressions mean a lot.
Wende
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>Why? What if they went out and got real ones? Would you think they looked
> If my parents had done that I would think that THEY were pretty
> ridiculous rather than tattoos and piercings.
ridiculous then?
> DH & I also have tattoos. Neither of us look "silly" now that we arefor
> older. Body art is an extremely personal thing and not an easy decision
> anyone.I said "how silly it *could* look". This was based on what many people
have said to me regarding their own tats that they got when they are
young and regret now. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the artwork that
goes into tattoos. Dh knows of a tat artist who gets many calls from
people regarding having them removed. Most, but not all, of these people
got the tattoos impetuously, on a dare, while drunk, as part of
initiation, spur of the moment kinds of things, not really thinking about
having them forever. A lot of people also want them removed or changed
because they were names of people who are no longer in their lives.
>My older two have already asked for piercings, dredlocks, andmulticolored >hair. (They are 9 & 15) Neither have any of those yet,
probably because I >said sure. I'll take you. Let's find out how much
it costs, how it's done, pros & >cons and they can decide. I think
Emily would look rather cute in dreds!
The things you mentioned here aren't permanent. They are a temporary look
for whatever reason. My 3dd likes to wear her rainbow clown wig out in
public, all the time. It makes people smile.
> I'm not sure that the job interviews are not going well because ofher
> her tattoos and piercings. Unless she is wearing clothing that shows
> belly button ring (clothing would be the problem not the piercing). Idown for >a job, what she could do next time that would improve her
> suggest you suggest to her that she ask the interviewer when turned
interviewing skills.
> Many people don't interview well. I wouldn't blame it on body art thatI knew the interviewer at one of the jobs she applied at. It is a car
> shouldn't even be exposed during a job interview.
dealer that sells high end cars. He told me outright that her appearance
was the reason. Their business was to sell cars. He didn't feel as if his
clientele would buy a car from someone with a pierced nose or visible
tattoo. When he asked her if she would be willing to remove the nose ring
and conceal the tat, she said no. For her it was a statement. For him it
was business. Discrimination? probably. Reality? most definitely. First
impressions mean a lot.
Wende
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Debra Hartrum-Disciples Now
I really appreciate all the replies about the tattoo strain I started. You
have been very helpful in allowing me to look into your window. My son who
turned 18 yesterday said he is getting his tattoo tonight (some sort of Led
Zeppelin thing) I told him I may get a ballerina on the small of my back but
then I thought what was the point if no one could see it.
What I would really appreciate from anyone who could help is a
recommendation of something to read regarding the nature of control and the
desire to be accepted by a mainstream standard.
Even better, does anyone know where I can go to live in peace with the land
and raise chickens, cows, horses, and goats?
Blessings.
Deb Hartrum
Managing Editor
Disciples Now Ministries
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From: love-it-here@... [mailto:love-it-here@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] RE: Tattoos
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:19:00 EST Earthmomma67@... writes:
ridiculous then?
have said to me regarding their own tats that they got when they are
young and regret now. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the artwork that
goes into tattoos. Dh knows of a tat artist who gets many calls from
people regarding having them removed. Most, but not all, of these people
got the tattoos impetuously, on a dare, while drunk, as part of
initiation, spur of the moment kinds of things, not really thinking about
having them forever. A lot of people also want them removed or changed
because they were names of people who are no longer in their lives.
probably because I >said sure. I'll take you. Let's find out how much
it costs, how it's done, pros & >cons and they can decide. I think
Emily would look rather cute in dreds!
The things you mentioned here aren't permanent. They are a temporary look
for whatever reason. My 3dd likes to wear her rainbow clown wig out in
public, all the time. It makes people smile.
interviewing skills.
dealer that sells high end cars. He told me outright that her appearance
was the reason. Their business was to sell cars. He didn't feel as if his
clientele would buy a car from someone with a pierced nose or visible
tattoo. When he asked her if she would be willing to remove the nose ring
and conceal the tat, she said no. For her it was a statement. For him it
was business. Discrimination? probably. Reality? most definitely. First
impressions mean a lot.
Wende
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have been very helpful in allowing me to look into your window. My son who
turned 18 yesterday said he is getting his tattoo tonight (some sort of Led
Zeppelin thing) I told him I may get a ballerina on the small of my back but
then I thought what was the point if no one could see it.
What I would really appreciate from anyone who could help is a
recommendation of something to read regarding the nature of control and the
desire to be accepted by a mainstream standard.
Even better, does anyone know where I can go to live in peace with the land
and raise chickens, cows, horses, and goats?
Blessings.
Deb Hartrum
Managing Editor
Disciples Now Ministries
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From: love-it-here@... [mailto:love-it-here@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:32 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] RE: Tattoos
On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:19:00 EST Earthmomma67@... writes:
>Why? What if they went out and got real ones? Would you think they looked
> If my parents had done that I would think that THEY were pretty
> ridiculous rather than tattoos and piercings.
ridiculous then?
> DH & I also have tattoos. Neither of us look "silly" now that we arefor
> older. Body art is an extremely personal thing and not an easy decision
> anyone.I said "how silly it *could* look". This was based on what many people
have said to me regarding their own tats that they got when they are
young and regret now. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the artwork that
goes into tattoos. Dh knows of a tat artist who gets many calls from
people regarding having them removed. Most, but not all, of these people
got the tattoos impetuously, on a dare, while drunk, as part of
initiation, spur of the moment kinds of things, not really thinking about
having them forever. A lot of people also want them removed or changed
because they were names of people who are no longer in their lives.
>My older two have already asked for piercings, dredlocks, andmulticolored >hair. (They are 9 & 15) Neither have any of those yet,
probably because I >said sure. I'll take you. Let's find out how much
it costs, how it's done, pros & >cons and they can decide. I think
Emily would look rather cute in dreds!
The things you mentioned here aren't permanent. They are a temporary look
for whatever reason. My 3dd likes to wear her rainbow clown wig out in
public, all the time. It makes people smile.
> I'm not sure that the job interviews are not going well because ofher
> her tattoos and piercings. Unless she is wearing clothing that shows
> belly button ring (clothing would be the problem not the piercing). Idown for >a job, what she could do next time that would improve her
> suggest you suggest to her that she ask the interviewer when turned
interviewing skills.
> Many people don't interview well. I wouldn't blame it on body art thatI knew the interviewer at one of the jobs she applied at. It is a car
> shouldn't even be exposed during a job interview.
dealer that sells high end cars. He told me outright that her appearance
was the reason. Their business was to sell cars. He didn't feel as if his
clientele would buy a car from someone with a pierced nose or visible
tattoo. When he asked her if she would be willing to remove the nose ring
and conceal the tat, she said no. For her it was a statement. For him it
was business. Discrimination? probably. Reality? most definitely. First
impressions mean a lot.
Wende
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Peggy
Wende wrote:
There's a reason those guys, and any job really, has the suit and
tie dress code expectation. People who pay major amounts of money
for a product want some assurance that the place is "respectable".
One of the ways they visually assure people of their care for their
concerns is the dress code.
A good talk about dress code use could save her some time not
applying for jobs that she probably doesn't want anyway.
Peggy
> I knew the interviewer at one of the jobs she applied at. It is a carSounds like she needs some more information about car dealers. ;)
> dealer that sells high end cars. He told me outright that her appearance
> was the reason. Their business was to sell cars. He didn't feel as if his
> clientele would buy a car from someone with a pierced nose or visible
> tattoo. When he asked her if she would be willing to remove the nose ring
> and conceal the tat, she said no. For her it was a statement. For him it
> was business. Discrimination? probably. Reality? most definitely. First
> impressions mean a lot.
There's a reason those guys, and any job really, has the suit and
tie dress code expectation. People who pay major amounts of money
for a product want some assurance that the place is "respectable".
One of the ways they visually assure people of their care for their
concerns is the dress code.
A good talk about dress code use could save her some time not
applying for jobs that she probably doesn't want anyway.
Peggy
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:42:15 -0700 Peggy <durrell@...> writes:
should be hired on her merits instead of looks. I explained to her that
car dealers in particular already have a high turnover rate, and most
likely won't give someone in doubt a chance. I think the fact that she
refused to consider removing the nose ring or covering the tattoo made
her appear to upper management as not being a "team player".
there.<grin>
After applying for about 6 other jobs in various fields, she finally
landed a job working night shift at Dunkin Donuts. I guess she can meet
cute guys there too.
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> Sounds like she needs some more information about car dealers. ;)I forewarned her before she applied, but she was convinced that she
should be hired on her merits instead of looks. I explained to her that
car dealers in particular already have a high turnover rate, and most
likely won't give someone in doubt a chance. I think the fact that she
refused to consider removing the nose ring or covering the tattoo made
her appear to upper management as not being a "team player".
> A good talk about dress code use could save her some time notShe wanted to work there because there were a lot of cute guys
> applying for jobs that she probably doesn't want anyway.
there.<grin>
After applying for about 6 other jobs in various fields, she finally
landed a job working night shift at Dunkin Donuts. I guess she can meet
cute guys there too.
Wende
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> I don't imagine the level of character is any worse there. ;)HMMM, work at a car dealer did we?
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when i was a kid i always told my dad one day i would have a tattoo
and he would say not as long as your living in my house. so i waited, until i
was 25 and then i went and got myself a beautiful and also tribal turtle on
my leg. i am now 30 and i really do not think i look silly at all. i also
have had my belly button pierced and am planning another tattoo soon.
i think tattoo and a way to express yourself and although i do thing this
is nothing that should be entered into with little thought, i would not go to
any type of scare tatics to change my daughter's mind.
tina
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and he would say not as long as your living in my house. so i waited, until i
was 25 and then i went and got myself a beautiful and also tribal turtle on
my leg. i am now 30 and i really do not think i look silly at all. i also
have had my belly button pierced and am planning another tattoo soon.
i think tattoo and a way to express yourself and although i do thing this
is nothing that should be entered into with little thought, i would not go to
any type of scare tatics to change my daughter's mind.
tina
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