Testing
A. Yates
I posted a bit ago about papermaking. I didn't see the post come
through, and I'm not getting any others.
Hmmmmmm.
Ann
through, and I'm not getting any others.
Hmmmmmm.
Ann
The O'Donnells
At 03:47 PM 12/27/99 -0500, you wrote:
that was passed on to me from another list. Enjoy!
Laraine
and place in a bucket of hot water for at least an hour or leave overnight.
(tp can be used to lessen the mess and make a quick job......newspaper get
the
ink all over the kids hands and clothes if they are young)
2. Using a plastic detergent scoop lift out your presoaked paper and puree it
in your blender to reduce it even smaller into what we call pulp. Only do
small amounts at a time and add additional water to the blender if needed
otherwise you burn the blender up (I know from experience!) Takes less than a
minute or so in the blender. Stir in your seeds as liberally as you want or
wait and stick them in by hand when you screen your pulp.
3. We took 4 inch square pieces of old window screening and placed them in
our
left hand. With our right hand we poured the pulp onto the screen. Hold the
screen over a bucket when doing the pouring because all the excess water runs
through the screen and leaves the pulp.
4. lay the screen with the pulp on an old newspaper and lay a 5 inch piece of
felt over the pulp and roll with your rolling pin.. This takes out the excess
water. You can gently pick up the screen and flip the felt over in your hand.
Peel the screen off the paper and lay it and the felt down to dry. Once dry
you can peel it from the felt to plant later or send to a friend, etc.
5. You know you can experiment without adding seeds and add pieces of nature
to your pulp and see what it does to your paper. Try dry grasses, leaves,
petals, threads, colored paper, sandetc. Have Fun!
>From: "A. Yates" <hooperck@...>Ann, your messages are coming through fine. Here is a recipe for the paper
>
>I posted a bit ago about papermaking. I didn't see the post come
>through, and I'm not getting any others.
>Hmmmmmm.
>Ann
that was passed on to me from another list. Enjoy!
Laraine
>1. tear your old newspaper, toilet paper, printing paper, into small strips
and place in a bucket of hot water for at least an hour or leave overnight.
(tp can be used to lessen the mess and make a quick job......newspaper get
the
ink all over the kids hands and clothes if they are young)
2. Using a plastic detergent scoop lift out your presoaked paper and puree it
in your blender to reduce it even smaller into what we call pulp. Only do
small amounts at a time and add additional water to the blender if needed
otherwise you burn the blender up (I know from experience!) Takes less than a
minute or so in the blender. Stir in your seeds as liberally as you want or
wait and stick them in by hand when you screen your pulp.
3. We took 4 inch square pieces of old window screening and placed them in
our
left hand. With our right hand we poured the pulp onto the screen. Hold the
screen over a bucket when doing the pouring because all the excess water runs
through the screen and leaves the pulp.
4. lay the screen with the pulp on an old newspaper and lay a 5 inch piece of
felt over the pulp and roll with your rolling pin.. This takes out the excess
water. You can gently pick up the screen and flip the felt over in your hand.
Peel the screen off the paper and lay it and the felt down to dry. Once dry
you can peel it from the felt to plant later or send to a friend, etc.
5. You know you can experiment without adding seeds and add pieces of nature
to your pulp and see what it does to your paper. Try dry grasses, leaves,
petals, threads, colored paper, sandetc. Have Fun!
Helen Hegener
Posted to the WHEN (Washington Home Education Network) list this morning:
<http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/business/20EXAM.html?pagewanted=1>http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/business/20EXAM.html?pagewanted=1
In recent years, the four testing companies that dominate the market
have experienced serious breakdowns in quality control. Problems at
NCS, for example, extend beyond Minnesota. In the last three years,
the company produced a flawed answer key that incorrectly lowered
multiple-choice scores for 12,000 Arizona students, erred in adding
up scores of essay tests for students in Michigan and was forced with
another company to rescore 204,000 essay tests in Washington because
the state found the scores too generous. NCS also missed important
deadlines for delivering test results in Florida and California.
"I wanted to just throw them out and hire a new company," said
Christine Jax, Minnesota's top education official. "But then my
testing director warned me that there isn't a blemish-free testing
company out there. That really shocked me."
One error by another big company resulted in nearly 9,000 students in
New York City being mistakenly assigned to summer school in 1999. In
Kentucky, a mistake in 1997 by a smaller company, Measured Progress
of Dover, N.H., denied $2 million in achievement awards to deserving
schools. In California, test booklets have been delivered to schools
too late for the scheduled test, were left out in the rain or arrived
with missing pages.
Even so, testing companies turn the scoring of these writing samples
over to thousands of temporary workers earning as little as $9 an
hour. "Lots of people don't even read the whole test - the time
pressure and scoring pressure are just too great," said Artur
Golczewski, a doctoral candidate, who said he has scored tests for
NCS for two years, most recently in April.
<http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/business/20EXAM.html?pagewanted=1>http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/business/20EXAM.html?pagewanted=1
In recent years, the four testing companies that dominate the market
have experienced serious breakdowns in quality control. Problems at
NCS, for example, extend beyond Minnesota. In the last three years,
the company produced a flawed answer key that incorrectly lowered
multiple-choice scores for 12,000 Arizona students, erred in adding
up scores of essay tests for students in Michigan and was forced with
another company to rescore 204,000 essay tests in Washington because
the state found the scores too generous. NCS also missed important
deadlines for delivering test results in Florida and California.
"I wanted to just throw them out and hire a new company," said
Christine Jax, Minnesota's top education official. "But then my
testing director warned me that there isn't a blemish-free testing
company out there. That really shocked me."
One error by another big company resulted in nearly 9,000 students in
New York City being mistakenly assigned to summer school in 1999. In
Kentucky, a mistake in 1997 by a smaller company, Measured Progress
of Dover, N.H., denied $2 million in achievement awards to deserving
schools. In California, test booklets have been delivered to schools
too late for the scheduled test, were left out in the rain or arrived
with missing pages.
Even so, testing companies turn the scoring of these writing samples
over to thousands of temporary workers earning as little as $9 an
hour. "Lots of people don't even read the whole test - the time
pressure and scoring pressure are just too great," said Artur
Golczewski, a doctoral candidate, who said he has scored tests for
NCS for two years, most recently in April.
groundhoggirl
Please ignore this message. Test.
Mimi
Mimi
groundhoggirl
This is a test
Tia Leschke
>This is a testNo tests allowed! This is an unschooling list. <g>
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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It is the answers which separate us, the questions which unite us. - Janice
Levy
Lynda
Unschooler don't do tests <g> Could this be a trial run instead <g>
Lynda
Lynda
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In a message dated 12/04/2001 7:45:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Kathryn
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[email protected] writes:
> >This is a testPerhaps we should call it an experiment?
>
> No tests allowed! This is an unschooling list. <g>
> Tia
>
>
Kathryn
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Julie Stauffer
<<Maybe the person doesn't want to wait until they are 34 just to avoid the
SATs)
Then don't. (I don't think that was really the point anyway).
Go take them. Big deal. They aren't particularly difficult because all you
need to know is how to take tests. I never studied in school, never
prepared for a test in my life and I got over 1300 on the SAT. Dh was
studying to be an EMT. I was able to pass all the practice tests. My only
medical training is working on the psych ward at some hospitals.
If you don't feel comfortable taking them, don't. Take some community
college classes and then see about transferring. Or take them and then
start out at an "open enrollment" college (they often ask for test results
but don't really use them against you, these colleges are often utilized by
athletes who aren't quite good enough for full scholarships at large
universities).
Do apprenticeship types of things. Most people love to have bright,
interested passionate kids working for and with them.
Julie
SATs)
Then don't. (I don't think that was really the point anyway).
Go take them. Big deal. They aren't particularly difficult because all you
need to know is how to take tests. I never studied in school, never
prepared for a test in my life and I got over 1300 on the SAT. Dh was
studying to be an EMT. I was able to pass all the practice tests. My only
medical training is working on the psych ward at some hospitals.
If you don't feel comfortable taking them, don't. Take some community
college classes and then see about transferring. Or take them and then
start out at an "open enrollment" college (they often ask for test results
but don't really use them against you, these colleges are often utilized by
athletes who aren't quite good enough for full scholarships at large
universities).
Do apprenticeship types of things. Most people love to have bright,
interested passionate kids working for and with them.
Julie
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/29/2003 1:04:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jnjstau@... writes:
(although you DO have to pay for each one you take)!
Options, options!
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jnjstau@... writes:
> If you don't feel comfortable taking them, don't. Take some communityOR take them again and again and again.. You just submit the highest score
> college classes and then see about transferring. Or take them and then
> start out at an "open enrollment" college (they often ask for test results
> but don't really use them against you, these colleges are often utilized by
> athletes who aren't quite good enough for full scholarships at large
> universities).
>
(although you DO have to pay for each one you take)!
Options, options!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
kim21fed
I am new to Homeschooling this year. Trying to Unschool. Our state
requires testing, and so my two boys will be tested in
August/September. I want to unschool, but I spend my days in a panic
because what if they dont learn what is on these tests!? I have
bought test practise books, downloaded samples of our state
assesment tests. I have tried to teach accordingly. But this is not
what I call fun for any of us. They have to meet at a high
percentile on these tests. Ide like to know what others have done.
This seems to be a unfair requirement, after reading many books on
what area children should be at for their grade level, my children
fall behind. Because of the public schools. If I teach them
according to the books, they will be ahead,which is good, but they
miss what the public schools are doing in this area. Then they will
be tested by these people. How do we unschool, and make sure we are
following the states guildlines for what they should be learning?
Or, am I missing the boat somewhere!!??
requires testing, and so my two boys will be tested in
August/September. I want to unschool, but I spend my days in a panic
because what if they dont learn what is on these tests!? I have
bought test practise books, downloaded samples of our state
assesment tests. I have tried to teach accordingly. But this is not
what I call fun for any of us. They have to meet at a high
percentile on these tests. Ide like to know what others have done.
This seems to be a unfair requirement, after reading many books on
what area children should be at for their grade level, my children
fall behind. Because of the public schools. If I teach them
according to the books, they will be ahead,which is good, but they
miss what the public schools are doing in this area. Then they will
be tested by these people. How do we unschool, and make sure we are
following the states guildlines for what they should be learning?
Or, am I missing the boat somewhere!!??
Pam Sorooshian
What state?
-pam
-pam
On Mar 7, 2005, at 1:24 PM, kim21fed wrote:
> I am new to Homeschooling this year. Trying to Unschool. Our state
> requires testing, and so my two boys will be tested in
> August/September. I want to unschool, but I spend my days in a panic
> because what if they dont learn what is on these tests!?
Fetteroll
on 3/7/05 4:24 PM, kim21fed at kim21fed@... wrote:
Joyce
> I am new to Homeschooling this year. Trying to Unschool. Our stateWhat state are you in?
> requires testing, and so my two boys will be tested in
> August/September.
Joyce
soggyboysmom
1 - check the laws of the state - is there an alternate form of
evaluation allowed? Many states push testing but a narrative or
portfolio is acceptable as well - and many times, if narratives or
something are acceptable, there are unschooling friendly reviewers
around.
2 - again with the laws - what does it say about administering the
test? Must it be administered at school, using a state test? Or can
you test at home yourself? Or, is there a homeschool support
organization you can test through rather than the school district?
3 - more legal - who sees the results? Is there a minimum score?
what is the outcome if you (a) don't test? (b) go below a minimum
score? (if there is one) In many places, the minimum score is so low
as to be ridiculous - random selection can get those scores. And, if
no one but you receives the scores, you can toss the results,
unopened, into a drawer "just in case" someone ever gets around to
asking about it BUT the results won't impact your family (since you
never look at them).
Knowing the laws thoroughly is crucial. If you can test at home
using a test of your choice and then no one sees the scores, it can
be a pretty painless exercise in hoop jumping.
evaluation allowed? Many states push testing but a narrative or
portfolio is acceptable as well - and many times, if narratives or
something are acceptable, there are unschooling friendly reviewers
around.
2 - again with the laws - what does it say about administering the
test? Must it be administered at school, using a state test? Or can
you test at home yourself? Or, is there a homeschool support
organization you can test through rather than the school district?
3 - more legal - who sees the results? Is there a minimum score?
what is the outcome if you (a) don't test? (b) go below a minimum
score? (if there is one) In many places, the minimum score is so low
as to be ridiculous - random selection can get those scores. And, if
no one but you receives the scores, you can toss the results,
unopened, into a drawer "just in case" someone ever gets around to
asking about it BUT the results won't impact your family (since you
never look at them).
Knowing the laws thoroughly is crucial. If you can test at home
using a test of your choice and then no one sees the scores, it can
be a pretty painless exercise in hoop jumping.
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/7/2005 11:38:54 PM Mountain Standard Time,
kim21fed@... writes:
They have to meet at a high
percentile on these tests.
You have to tell us what state you're in.
And then people will tell you to read the laws for yourself and not trust
anyone else's summary, and then they will say to contact the unschoolers in your
area.
They have to meet a high percentile or what?
According to whom?
-=- How do we unschool, and make sure we are
following the states guildlines for what they should be learning?
-=-
It depends.
Sandra
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kim21fed@... writes:
They have to meet at a high
percentile on these tests.
You have to tell us what state you're in.
And then people will tell you to read the laws for yourself and not trust
anyone else's summary, and then they will say to contact the unschoolers in your
area.
They have to meet a high percentile or what?
According to whom?
-=- How do we unschool, and make sure we are
following the states guildlines for what they should be learning?
-=-
It depends.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
diana jenner
kim21fed wrote:
hence her first standardized test -- it may be her first test since her
newborn PKU test <bg>. What I always remember is (1) the answer is *on*
the test - it's really "find the answer" instead of "come up with your
own," and (2) the results of the test show how well your child takes
tests, NOT how well your child knows English, Math, Science, whatever.
We're winging it! I've told her that I've got to pick up the test in
April, that she'll get this cool answer sheet to bubble in her answer,
and this is just one hoop we jump through for the awesome opportunity to
be home together [we're fortunate it's the ONLY hoop in SD--tests
2,4,8,11th grades]. She's actually excited to do something so "schooly"
-- we may just play One Room Schoolhouse for that whole day <bg>
Just as a major complaint in school buildings is the concept of
"teaching to the test," I'd say this is a real danger for a parent to
do, as the kids have NO escape from Mom's test anxiety. Empower your
kids to ease their dependence on external gauges of success; do whatever
it takes to raise them without your fears. The school system does, in
some sense, dictate how I raise my kids, but not in the way *they*
anticipate. I've taken all the fun memories and worked to have similar
joyful experiences for my children; I've taken the dark, scary ones and
worked to avoid them at all costs, refusing to pass them along to my
children. Lucky for me & my kids, I've been a great test taker in my
life and I've convinced them they've inherited the skill <vbg>
:) diana
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tell me, what else should I have done?
Doesn't everything die at last, and too soon?
Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?
--Wild Geese, Mary Oliver
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>I am new to Homeschooling this year. Trying to Unschool. Our stateThis year the school district has Hannah, 8, listed as a 2nd grader,
>requires testing, and so my two boys will be tested in
>August/September. I want to unschool, but I spend my days in a panic
>because what if they dont learn what is on these tests!? I have
>bought test practise books, downloaded samples of our state
>assesment tests. I have tried to teach accordingly. But this is not
>what I call fun for any of us. They have to meet at a high
>percentile on these tests. Ide like to know what others have done.
>This seems to be a unfair requirement, after reading many books on
>what area children should be at for their grade level, my children
>fall behind. Because of the public schools. If I teach them
>according to the books, they will be ahead,which is good, but they
>miss what the public schools are doing in this area. Then they will
>be tested by these people. How do we unschool, and make sure we are
>following the states guildlines for what they should be learning?
>Or, am I missing the boat somewhere!!??
>
hence her first standardized test -- it may be her first test since her
newborn PKU test <bg>. What I always remember is (1) the answer is *on*
the test - it's really "find the answer" instead of "come up with your
own," and (2) the results of the test show how well your child takes
tests, NOT how well your child knows English, Math, Science, whatever.
We're winging it! I've told her that I've got to pick up the test in
April, that she'll get this cool answer sheet to bubble in her answer,
and this is just one hoop we jump through for the awesome opportunity to
be home together [we're fortunate it's the ONLY hoop in SD--tests
2,4,8,11th grades]. She's actually excited to do something so "schooly"
-- we may just play One Room Schoolhouse for that whole day <bg>
Just as a major complaint in school buildings is the concept of
"teaching to the test," I'd say this is a real danger for a parent to
do, as the kids have NO escape from Mom's test anxiety. Empower your
kids to ease their dependence on external gauges of success; do whatever
it takes to raise them without your fears. The school system does, in
some sense, dictate how I raise my kids, but not in the way *they*
anticipate. I've taken all the fun memories and worked to have similar
joyful experiences for my children; I've taken the dark, scary ones and
worked to avoid them at all costs, refusing to pass them along to my
children. Lucky for me & my kids, I've been a great test taker in my
life and I've convinced them they've inherited the skill <vbg>
:) diana
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tell me, what else should I have done?
Doesn't everything die at last, and too soon?
Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?
--Wild Geese, Mary Oliver
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Kelly Lenhart
--- In [email protected], diana jenner
<hahamommy@s...> wrote:
have to do is take them, and you don't even have to take the one for
the grade your child is "in."
Kelly
<hahamommy@s...> wrote:
> kim21fed wrote:Why do you say they have to score high on the tests? In PA all you
>
> >I am new to Homeschooling this year. Trying to Unschool. Our state
> >requires testing, and so my two boys will be tested in
> >August/September. I want to unschool, but I spend my days in a panic
> >because what if they dont learn what is on these tests!? I have
> >bought test practise books, downloaded samples of our state
> >assesment tests. I have tried to teach accordingly. But this is not
> >what I call fun for any of us. They have to meet at a high
> >percentile on these tests.
have to do is take them, and you don't even have to take the one for
the grade your child is "in."
Kelly
Jason & Stephanie
><<<<Why do you say they have to score high on the tests? In PA all you
have to do is take them, and you don't even have to take the one for
the grade your child is "in."
Kelly>>>>>>>>
********As an unschooler, my kids will never be in grades. What part of the state are you in? I'm about 60 miles North of Pittsburg and longing to meet real life unschoolers.
Stephanie in PA
Kieran (9) Brennan(6) Cassandra(5) Jared(2)
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Fetteroll
on 3/8/05 7:42 PM, Jason & Stephanie at thesixofus@... wrote:
The story is that the government at some point decided to make spellings of
towns uniform so there weren't -vils and -vills and -villes and so on. The
government wanted all -burghs and -bergs to be -burgs. Pittsburgh fought the
government for the right to keep the h because it was historical :-)
Joyce
> 60 miles North of PittsburgNo, no Pittsburg*H* ;-)
The story is that the government at some point decided to make spellings of
towns uniform so there weren't -vils and -vills and -villes and so on. The
government wanted all -burghs and -bergs to be -burgs. Pittsburgh fought the
government for the right to keep the h because it was historical :-)
Joyce
Jason & Stephanie
> 60 miles North of PittsburgNo, no Pittsburg*H* ;-)
*****LOL Joyce, I noticed that after I sent it and my spell check didn't even catch it. Thanks for the history, I do know there is an *h* but my fingers weren't cooperating <g>
Stephanie in PA
Kieran (9) Brennan(6) Cassandra(5) Jared(2)
True learning- learning that is permanent and useful, that leads to intelligent action
and further learning- can arise only out of the experience, interests and concerns of the learner.
~John Holt
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mary
From: "Fetteroll" <fetteroll@...>
<< The story is that the government at some point decided to make spellings
of
towns uniform so there weren't -vils and -vills and -villes and so on. The
government wanted all -burghs and -bergs to be -burgs. Pittsburgh fought the
government for the right to keep the h because it was historical :-)??
Now that is very interesting to me. I never knew that and I am originally
from outside Pittsburgh. Good old Beaver Falls to be exact!!!
Thanks Joyce!
Mary B
<< The story is that the government at some point decided to make spellings
of
towns uniform so there weren't -vils and -vills and -villes and so on. The
government wanted all -burghs and -bergs to be -burgs. Pittsburgh fought the
government for the right to keep the h because it was historical :-)??
Now that is very interesting to me. I never knew that and I am originally
from outside Pittsburgh. Good old Beaver Falls to be exact!!!
Thanks Joyce!
Mary B
kim21fed
--- In [email protected], Pam Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:
at or above th 15th percentile. I was under the impression it was
much higher. Im sure they will be perfectly fine! Thankyou all for
your help!
Kris
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:
> What state?state
> -pam
>
> On Mar 7, 2005, at 1:24 PM, kim21fed wrote:
>
> > I am new to Homeschooling this year. Trying to Unschool. Our
> > requires testing, and so my two boys will be tested inpanic
> > August/September. I want to unschool, but I spend my days in a
> > because what if they dont learn what is on these tests!?We are in Oregon. And I rechecked my facts. The children must score
at or above th 15th percentile. I was under the impression it was
much higher. Im sure they will be perfectly fine! Thankyou all for
your help!
Kris