Sandra: NCP thoughts
Julie Bogart <[email protected]>
I can't find your post now, but can you share what you thoughts ar
eon NCP and why you have some real problems with it?
Thanks! :)
Julie B
eon NCP and why you have some real problems with it?
Thanks! :)
Julie B
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/9/03 4:05:42 PM, julie@... writes:
<< I can't find your post now, but can you share what you thoughts ar
eon NCP and why you have some real problems with it? >>
I think the people who push it are irritating, and they refuse to tell actual
stories about their families. The philosophy is tied up heavily in
libertarianism. I think the main proponent is English and wants to own guns
(seems, I haven't hunted down background details because I don't care), and
we used to get an occasional visit from one of them who would come to
unschooling lists but then witheringly tell us we were disrespectful of our
children because we were telling stories about them.
Sandra
<< I can't find your post now, but can you share what you thoughts ar
eon NCP and why you have some real problems with it? >>
I think the people who push it are irritating, and they refuse to tell actual
stories about their families. The philosophy is tied up heavily in
libertarianism. I think the main proponent is English and wants to own guns
(seems, I haven't hunted down background details because I don't care), and
we used to get an occasional visit from one of them who would come to
unschooling lists but then witheringly tell us we were disrespectful of our
children because we were telling stories about them.
Sandra
Peggy
Sandra wrote:
can see that in such a medium as the internet our children *will*
perhaps be reading our words about them someday, as perhaps will
their future companions and employers.
What bothered me about it was that many of the solutions seemed to
turn into the same kind of male dominated opinions/solutions that I
would get from the mainstream press. A baby who rejects the breast
at nine months is voluntarily giving up nursing, they didn't seem to
want to understand or explore the whole mother/child nursing dynamic
and include that dynamic in the solution -- that sort of thing. I
also don't believe that one should let a child hurt a small animal
in the home while exploring the child's "preferences". Sorry, just
can't get past that one.
In many ways the whole TCS theory gives me the same sort of feeling
that I get from people who believe that science has all the answers.
Science is only as good as the data and the analysis and the mind
bias of the person with the theory. All three of these can be
flawed. There is no absolute truth because we don't have all the
data: the universe is still a mystery.
I'm glad that some people are thinking about these things in
different ways and trying to find solutions that don't automatically
put the child to blame.
Peggy
>I think the people who push it are irritating,This is known as respecting their children's privacy. Don't know. I
>and they refuse to tell actual
>stories about their families.
can see that in such a medium as the internet our children *will*
perhaps be reading our words about them someday, as perhaps will
their future companions and employers.
>The philosophy isAs is her right. ;)
>tied up heavily in
>libertarianism. I think the main proponent is
>English and wants to own guns
What bothered me about it was that many of the solutions seemed to
turn into the same kind of male dominated opinions/solutions that I
would get from the mainstream press. A baby who rejects the breast
at nine months is voluntarily giving up nursing, they didn't seem to
want to understand or explore the whole mother/child nursing dynamic
and include that dynamic in the solution -- that sort of thing. I
also don't believe that one should let a child hurt a small animal
in the home while exploring the child's "preferences". Sorry, just
can't get past that one.
In many ways the whole TCS theory gives me the same sort of feeling
that I get from people who believe that science has all the answers.
Science is only as good as the data and the analysis and the mind
bias of the person with the theory. All three of these can be
flawed. There is no absolute truth because we don't have all the
data: the universe is still a mystery.
I'm glad that some people are thinking about these things in
different ways and trying to find solutions that don't automatically
put the child to blame.
Peggy
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/9/03 5:43:45 PM, peggy@... writes:
<< I think the main proponent is
Her right to want to.
She can move to the U.S. and own lots of them!
<<I'm glad that some people are thinking about these things in
different ways and trying to find solutions that don't automatically
put the child to blame.>>
Me too.
I think they're coming from a different tradition. Unschooling is coming
from John Holt's being from a time when teachers were moving toward anecdotal
writings, and so he was telling stories of real students, and from La Leche
League, which CERTAINLY depends on mothers sharing real experiences about
real children.
We can't show anyone how unschooling works without telling them stories from
our lives.
<<I
can see that in such a medium as the internet our children *will*
perhaps be reading our words about them someday, as perhaps will
their future companions and employers.>>
My kids read my stuff all the want to now. I'm not hiding anything from them.
There is some AMAZING stuff being put out by kids themselves, on some journal
sites. Enough to keep them from getting jobs. I don't know if employers
could find it without knowing their nicknames or whatever, but it's out
there. One teen I didn't trust much already has posted enough stuff that if
he EVER were to hurt one of my kids I could take that to a judge or social
worker and probably get at least a restraining order, if not a lockup.
I don't feel the things I'm telling about my children would do anything but
make people have more confidence in them than they already do.
Sandra
<< I think the main proponent is
>English and wants to own guns<<As is her right. ;) >>
Her right to want to.
She can move to the U.S. and own lots of them!
<<I'm glad that some people are thinking about these things in
different ways and trying to find solutions that don't automatically
put the child to blame.>>
Me too.
I think they're coming from a different tradition. Unschooling is coming
from John Holt's being from a time when teachers were moving toward anecdotal
writings, and so he was telling stories of real students, and from La Leche
League, which CERTAINLY depends on mothers sharing real experiences about
real children.
We can't show anyone how unschooling works without telling them stories from
our lives.
<<I
can see that in such a medium as the internet our children *will*
perhaps be reading our words about them someday, as perhaps will
their future companions and employers.>>
My kids read my stuff all the want to now. I'm not hiding anything from them.
There is some AMAZING stuff being put out by kids themselves, on some journal
sites. Enough to keep them from getting jobs. I don't know if employers
could find it without knowing their nicknames or whatever, but it's out
there. One teen I didn't trust much already has posted enough stuff that if
he EVER were to hurt one of my kids I could take that to a judge or social
worker and probably get at least a restraining order, if not a lockup.
I don't feel the things I'm telling about my children would do anything but
make people have more confidence in them than they already do.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/9/2003 6:43:43 PM Central Standard Time,
peggy@... writes:
someone about NCP and went to the website. The first thing we see is a
picture of this person pointing a gun at us! Our intial reaction definitely
included a feeling of coersion!
Tuck
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peggy@... writes:
> I think the main proponent isOkay, so I heard Sarah Lawrence speak at a conference, and I was telling
> >English and wants to own guns
>
>
> As is her right. ;)
>
someone about NCP and went to the website. The first thing we see is a
picture of this person pointing a gun at us! Our intial reaction definitely
included a feeling of coersion!
Tuck
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