Re: GTA
elaine greenwood-hyde
We have GTA 1 on our PC it hasn't been played for months and months. My 5 yr
old used to like playing it she didn't do the missions (she couldn't read
them) she used to like driving the cars and running people over. I think she
liked the splats. The splats are more or less the same as you get on Frogger
but we don't have frogger it's just how I remember it.
Thing is I hate GTA it makes me cringe if I accidentaly run someone over
onit,but she doesn't see them as 'real people because they're not. It's
obvious they're not people.
She plays roller coaster Tycoon and she plays that, not by building rides
but by coralling the people and keeping them hanging in the air. It's the
way she plays. She wouldn't run anyone over or coral people in real life
because she is playing an imaginative game not real life.
Traditional fairy stories used to be much more gory than they are now. They
continue to get more and more 'prettied' up. In the original Snow White's
wicked Stepmother was made to dance in white hot iron shoes. Also in
Cinderella the ugly sisters had their eyes plucked out by Ravens in the end.
For every murder now there were 10 in the medieval period. I really don't
believe in the 'good old days' when children were innocent blah blah. My
grandad was expected to go out to work full time at age 14. Most kids looked
after their siblings and worked even when at school. How many boy soldiers
lost their lives in the civil war (USA)?
There was no time when everything was rosy, it was much worse and anything
nasty was swept under the carpet. In Victorian England the child prostitutes
were blamed for prostitution and the tempting of young men.
I have no idea why the big deal about GTA, its a GAME! If games made you
violent then we'd all be out hacking each other to peices for cripes sake.
Any child who genuinely gets obsessed with real violence would get obsessed
with other types of stuff if the games weren't available, maybe WW2 natzis
or commandos or cowboys or exercet missiles or saddam hussien or criminals
in the news or spys or assassins of US presidents or Tom and Jerry or
ANYTHING. Games don't cause mental illness or violent behaviour PEOPLE do.
If you don't talk to your child, if they are too afraid to talk to you, if
they feel you won't listen, if they know you'll shout at them and punish
them if they do talk to you, if they feel you will take something away from
them if they talk to you, then you will never know if there's anything
seriously wrong with your child until the day when it's obvious that there
is and it's too late and you are left bewildered and looking around for
something to blame like Games or TV. It's all too sad.
Elaine
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old used to like playing it she didn't do the missions (she couldn't read
them) she used to like driving the cars and running people over. I think she
liked the splats. The splats are more or less the same as you get on Frogger
but we don't have frogger it's just how I remember it.
Thing is I hate GTA it makes me cringe if I accidentaly run someone over
onit,but she doesn't see them as 'real people because they're not. It's
obvious they're not people.
She plays roller coaster Tycoon and she plays that, not by building rides
but by coralling the people and keeping them hanging in the air. It's the
way she plays. She wouldn't run anyone over or coral people in real life
because she is playing an imaginative game not real life.
Traditional fairy stories used to be much more gory than they are now. They
continue to get more and more 'prettied' up. In the original Snow White's
wicked Stepmother was made to dance in white hot iron shoes. Also in
Cinderella the ugly sisters had their eyes plucked out by Ravens in the end.
For every murder now there were 10 in the medieval period. I really don't
believe in the 'good old days' when children were innocent blah blah. My
grandad was expected to go out to work full time at age 14. Most kids looked
after their siblings and worked even when at school. How many boy soldiers
lost their lives in the civil war (USA)?
There was no time when everything was rosy, it was much worse and anything
nasty was swept under the carpet. In Victorian England the child prostitutes
were blamed for prostitution and the tempting of young men.
I have no idea why the big deal about GTA, its a GAME! If games made you
violent then we'd all be out hacking each other to peices for cripes sake.
Any child who genuinely gets obsessed with real violence would get obsessed
with other types of stuff if the games weren't available, maybe WW2 natzis
or commandos or cowboys or exercet missiles or saddam hussien or criminals
in the news or spys or assassins of US presidents or Tom and Jerry or
ANYTHING. Games don't cause mental illness or violent behaviour PEOPLE do.
If you don't talk to your child, if they are too afraid to talk to you, if
they feel you won't listen, if they know you'll shout at them and punish
them if they do talk to you, if they feel you will take something away from
them if they talk to you, then you will never know if there's anything
seriously wrong with your child until the day when it's obvious that there
is and it's too late and you are left bewildered and looking around for
something to blame like Games or TV. It's all too sad.
Elaine
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In a message dated 1/8/03 3:30:18 AM, elainegh8@... writes:
<< Games don't cause mental illness or violent behaviour PEOPLE do. >>
I don't think people do either, on the mental illness. Though it's certainly
possible to make it way worse if it's there. And some people are
genetically more violent, and that too is something nurture can affect, and
philosophy and self esteem can affect.
But YES about "the old days" being violent and cruel.
And YES about games and fairy tales having purposes which don't include
people wanting to cause other people to dance in hot iron shoes or be eaten
by wolves or run over by real cars.
<<If you don't talk to your child, if they are too afraid to talk to you, if
they feel you won't listen, if they know you'll shout at them and punish
them if they do talk to you, if they feel you will take something away from
them if they talk to you, then you will never know if there's anything
seriously wrong with your child until the day when it's obvious that there
is and it's too late and you are left bewildered and looking around for
something to blame like Games or TV. It's all too sad.>>
The child of a family we know was quoted back to me by his mother as having
said "Sandra really listens to kids."
I have hardly even had a conversation with the kid at all, because he's very
quiet here.
Holly had a cassette tape she had made of a "radio talk show" a bunch of kids
had made for fun. She was interviewing people and interviewing stuffed
animals, and one of the kids was FUNNY, that was my favorite voice, and I
said "Who's that?" and she said "Vincent."
I was surprised. I had never heard him sound so confident an animated.
So among kids he has a voice. With adults, it has been shushed. And he
thought it worthy of comment that I listen to kids.
That means at home he is not being listened to. I talked to his mom that,
and we've talked much since about his dad. Very sad, that children are
treated VERY much like "just children" by him.
I can't imagine one of my kids saying to another adult, or OF another adult,
"You really listen to me" or "...to kids," because the comments they make
here express amazement about the times they've interacted with adults who did
NOT listen to kids as real people. It surprises them. I'm glad. Their
"default setting" on listening is yes, you listen to people and you don't
disregard someone for being young.
So when people come to homeschooling discussions and say "I'll make the
decisions for my children until they're old enough to think," I wonder when
they think (and WHY they think) that child will start thinking at some point,
if he's been discouraged from thinking EVER.
But there are whole strata of homeschooling in which thinking is not for kids
to do. (And the parents seem not to do a whole lot of it either, so maybe
there's a genetic component there also.)
Hooray for unschoolers. I love unschoolers.
Sandra
<< Games don't cause mental illness or violent behaviour PEOPLE do. >>
I don't think people do either, on the mental illness. Though it's certainly
possible to make it way worse if it's there. And some people are
genetically more violent, and that too is something nurture can affect, and
philosophy and self esteem can affect.
But YES about "the old days" being violent and cruel.
And YES about games and fairy tales having purposes which don't include
people wanting to cause other people to dance in hot iron shoes or be eaten
by wolves or run over by real cars.
<<If you don't talk to your child, if they are too afraid to talk to you, if
they feel you won't listen, if they know you'll shout at them and punish
them if they do talk to you, if they feel you will take something away from
them if they talk to you, then you will never know if there's anything
seriously wrong with your child until the day when it's obvious that there
is and it's too late and you are left bewildered and looking around for
something to blame like Games or TV. It's all too sad.>>
The child of a family we know was quoted back to me by his mother as having
said "Sandra really listens to kids."
I have hardly even had a conversation with the kid at all, because he's very
quiet here.
Holly had a cassette tape she had made of a "radio talk show" a bunch of kids
had made for fun. She was interviewing people and interviewing stuffed
animals, and one of the kids was FUNNY, that was my favorite voice, and I
said "Who's that?" and she said "Vincent."
I was surprised. I had never heard him sound so confident an animated.
So among kids he has a voice. With adults, it has been shushed. And he
thought it worthy of comment that I listen to kids.
That means at home he is not being listened to. I talked to his mom that,
and we've talked much since about his dad. Very sad, that children are
treated VERY much like "just children" by him.
I can't imagine one of my kids saying to another adult, or OF another adult,
"You really listen to me" or "...to kids," because the comments they make
here express amazement about the times they've interacted with adults who did
NOT listen to kids as real people. It surprises them. I'm glad. Their
"default setting" on listening is yes, you listen to people and you don't
disregard someone for being young.
So when people come to homeschooling discussions and say "I'll make the
decisions for my children until they're old enough to think," I wonder when
they think (and WHY they think) that child will start thinking at some point,
if he's been discouraged from thinking EVER.
But there are whole strata of homeschooling in which thinking is not for kids
to do. (And the parents seem not to do a whole lot of it either, so maybe
there's a genetic component there also.)
Hooray for unschoolers. I love unschoolers.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/8/03 1:17:37 PM !!!First Boot!!!, SandraDodd@...
writes:
way I was raised...." Children should be seen but not heard".
From personal experience I can tell you that that attitude creates children
who have no self-worth, no self-esteem and no sense of who they are and what
they think/believe. I was an adult before I realized it was ok to have an
opinion. Now I have lots of them :)
Beth
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writes:
> That means at home he is not being listened to. I talked to his mom that,Ugh! Going back to the "good old days" conversation - this sounds like the
> and we've talked much since about his dad. Very sad, that children are
> treated VERY much like "just children" by him.
>
way I was raised...." Children should be seen but not heard".
From personal experience I can tell you that that attitude creates children
who have no self-worth, no self-esteem and no sense of who they are and what
they think/believe. I was an adult before I realized it was ok to have an
opinion. Now I have lots of them :)
Beth
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Kelli Traaseth
**With adults, it has been shushed. And he
thought it worthy of comment that I listen to kids.
That means at home he is not being listened to. **
I'm finding it interesting that there are very few children who will respond to me when I speak to them, its as though they don't know what to say. All I'm usually saying is hello, I will try and start a conversation and they just stare at me blankly.
This blank stare is so sad, I see it in so many kids faces.
I think alot of times they can't believe that an adult is really talking to them and cares what they have to say.
I really don't feel like there are very many people around me who value or respect their children. sad
Kelli
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/8/03 3:30:18 AM, elainegh8@... writes:
<< Games don't cause mental illness or violent behaviour PEOPLE do. >>
I don't think people do either, on the mental illness. Though it's certainly
possible to make it way worse if it's there. And some people are
genetically more violent, and that too is something nurture can affect, and
philosophy and self esteem can affect.
But YES about "the old days" being violent and cruel.
And YES about games and fairy tales having purposes which don't include
people wanting to cause other people to dance in hot iron shoes or be eaten
by wolves or run over by real cars.
<<If you don't talk to your child, if they are too afraid to talk to you, if
they feel you won't listen, if they know you'll shout at them and punish
them if they do talk to you, if they feel you will take something away from
them if they talk to you, then you will never know if there's anything
seriously wrong with your child until the day when it's obvious that there
is and it's too late and you are left bewildered and looking around for
something to blame like Games or TV. It's all too sad.>>
The child of a family we know was quoted back to me by his mother as having
said "Sandra really listens to kids."
I have hardly even had a conversation with the kid at all, because he's very
quiet here.
Holly had a cassette tape she had made of a "radio talk show" a bunch of kids
had made for fun. She was interviewing people and interviewing stuffed
animals, and one of the kids was FUNNY, that was my favorite voice, and I
said "Who's that?" and she said "Vincent."
I was surprised. I had never heard him sound so confident an animated.
So among kids he has a voice. With adults, it has been shushed. And he
thought it worthy of comment that I listen to kids.
That means at home he is not being listened to. I talked to his mom that,
and we've talked much since about his dad. Very sad, that children are
treated VERY much like "just children" by him.
I can't imagine one of my kids saying to another adult, or OF another adult,
"You really listen to me" or "...to kids," because the comments they make
here express amazement about the times they've interacted with adults who did
NOT listen to kids as real people. It surprises them. I'm glad. Their
"default setting" on listening is yes, you listen to people and you don't
disregard someone for being young.
So when people come to homeschooling discussions and say "I'll make the
decisions for my children until they're old enough to think," I wonder when
they think (and WHY they think) that child will start thinking at some point,
if he's been discouraged from thinking EVER.
But there are whole strata of homeschooling in which thinking is not for kids
to do. (And the parents seem not to do a whole lot of it either, so maybe
there's a genetic component there also.)
Hooray for unschoolers. I love unschoolers.
Sandra
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thought it worthy of comment that I listen to kids.
That means at home he is not being listened to. **
I'm finding it interesting that there are very few children who will respond to me when I speak to them, its as though they don't know what to say. All I'm usually saying is hello, I will try and start a conversation and they just stare at me blankly.
This blank stare is so sad, I see it in so many kids faces.
I think alot of times they can't believe that an adult is really talking to them and cares what they have to say.
I really don't feel like there are very many people around me who value or respect their children. sad
Kelli
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/8/03 3:30:18 AM, elainegh8@... writes:
<< Games don't cause mental illness or violent behaviour PEOPLE do. >>
I don't think people do either, on the mental illness. Though it's certainly
possible to make it way worse if it's there. And some people are
genetically more violent, and that too is something nurture can affect, and
philosophy and self esteem can affect.
But YES about "the old days" being violent and cruel.
And YES about games and fairy tales having purposes which don't include
people wanting to cause other people to dance in hot iron shoes or be eaten
by wolves or run over by real cars.
<<If you don't talk to your child, if they are too afraid to talk to you, if
they feel you won't listen, if they know you'll shout at them and punish
them if they do talk to you, if they feel you will take something away from
them if they talk to you, then you will never know if there's anything
seriously wrong with your child until the day when it's obvious that there
is and it's too late and you are left bewildered and looking around for
something to blame like Games or TV. It's all too sad.>>
The child of a family we know was quoted back to me by his mother as having
said "Sandra really listens to kids."
I have hardly even had a conversation with the kid at all, because he's very
quiet here.
Holly had a cassette tape she had made of a "radio talk show" a bunch of kids
had made for fun. She was interviewing people and interviewing stuffed
animals, and one of the kids was FUNNY, that was my favorite voice, and I
said "Who's that?" and she said "Vincent."
I was surprised. I had never heard him sound so confident an animated.
So among kids he has a voice. With adults, it has been shushed. And he
thought it worthy of comment that I listen to kids.
That means at home he is not being listened to. I talked to his mom that,
and we've talked much since about his dad. Very sad, that children are
treated VERY much like "just children" by him.
I can't imagine one of my kids saying to another adult, or OF another adult,
"You really listen to me" or "...to kids," because the comments they make
here express amazement about the times they've interacted with adults who did
NOT listen to kids as real people. It surprises them. I'm glad. Their
"default setting" on listening is yes, you listen to people and you don't
disregard someone for being young.
So when people come to homeschooling discussions and say "I'll make the
decisions for my children until they're old enough to think," I wonder when
they think (and WHY they think) that child will start thinking at some point,
if he's been discouraged from thinking EVER.
But there are whole strata of homeschooling in which thinking is not for kids
to do. (And the parents seem not to do a whole lot of it either, so maybe
there's a genetic component there also.)
Hooray for unschoolers. I love unschoolers.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/8/2003 5:30:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
elainegh8@... writes:
Well said! Needed repeating.
~Kelly
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elainegh8@... writes:
> If you don't talk to your child, if they are too afraid to talk to you, ifBingo!
> they feel you won't listen, if they know you'll shout at them and punish
> them if they do talk to you, if they feel you will take something away from
>
> them if they talk to you, then you will never know if there's anything
> seriously wrong with your child until the day when it's obvious that there
> is and it's too late and you are left bewildered and looking around for
> something to blame like Games or TV. It's all too sad.
Well said! Needed repeating.
~Kelly
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In a message dated 1/8/2003 8:17:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
the same thing! <G> He wants to spend more time with you this fall.
My parents have a friend who is a guidance counseler at a high school. He
likes to talk with her too. She knows how to talk with kids.
~Kelly
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> The child of a family we know was quoted back to me by his mother as havingI thought you were talking about Cameron until you said "here". He told me
> said "Sandra really listens to kids."
>
> I have hardly even had a conversation with the kid at all, because he's
> very
> quiet here.
>
the same thing! <G> He wants to spend more time with you this fall.
My parents have a friend who is a guidance counseler at a high school. He
likes to talk with her too. She knows how to talk with kids.
~Kelly
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In a message dated 1/8/03 7:40:46 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:
<< I thought you were talking about Cameron until you said "here". He told me
the same thing! <G> He wants to spend more time with you this fall. >>
I really like Cameron!
He was kind.
That's an odd best-thing to say about someone you meet, but the aspect of him
that I saw that I guess surprised or impressed me was kindness.
There seemed to be other flashier things, but I just say little flashes of
them.
Sandra
<< I thought you were talking about Cameron until you said "here". He told me
the same thing! <G> He wants to spend more time with you this fall. >>
I really like Cameron!
He was kind.
That's an odd best-thing to say about someone you meet, but the aspect of him
that I saw that I guess surprised or impressed me was kindness.
There seemed to be other flashier things, but I just say little flashes of
them.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/8/2003 7:17:31 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
my son and discount his feelings and make him seem he's "less" because he's
young and not listen to him. And he gets so MAD! He only lets me do it
once, and he points it out immediately, strongly and with tears and ranting.
And he's always exactly right.
So the fact that he can go from zero to 60 like that must mean that he's used
to being listened to, and how disrespectful it is NOT to be listened to
because of your age. And how much his siblings must have repressed that
response because they were treated like that from an early age. Even though
I stopped treating them that way in the preteen years, they have scars.
Parenting is hard.
Tuck
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> I can't imagine one of my kids saying to another adult, or OF another adult,Gosh, sometimes I slip into the old patterns I was raised with and interrupt
>
> "You really listen to me" or "...to kids," because the comments they make
> here express amazement about the times they've interacted with adults who
> did
> NOT listen to kids as real people. It surprises them. I'm glad. Their
> "default setting" on listening is yes, you listen to people and you don't
> disregard someone for being young.
>
my son and discount his feelings and make him seem he's "less" because he's
young and not listen to him. And he gets so MAD! He only lets me do it
once, and he points it out immediately, strongly and with tears and ranting.
And he's always exactly right.
So the fact that he can go from zero to 60 like that must mean that he's used
to being listened to, and how disrespectful it is NOT to be listened to
because of your age. And how much his siblings must have repressed that
response because they were treated like that from an early age. Even though
I stopped treating them that way in the preteen years, they have scars.
Parenting is hard.
Tuck
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In a message dated 1/8/2003 10:29:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
I'll tell him.
~K
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> He was kind.I can't imagine a NICER thing to say about someone!
>
> That's an odd best-thing to say about someone you meet, but the aspect of
> him
> that I saw that I guess surprised or impressed me was kindness.
I'll tell him.
~K
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In a message dated 1/8/03 9:11:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:
which is VERY often, they usually smile and engage in conversation. Yeah,
there may be some shy ones, but they dont just stare blankly, they might grin
and hide behind Mommy. Maybe its a "regional" difference or something. Most
folks and thier kids around here are pretty friendly and willing to talk if
someone offers to strike up a conversation. ( which, I usually do.. hehe)
Teresa
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kellitraas@... writes:
> I'm finding it interesting that there are very few children who will respondI gotta say.. I've not seen very much of that.. When I speak to children,
> to me when I speak to them, its as though they don't know what to say.
> All I'm usually saying is hello, I will try and start a conversation and
> they just stare at me blankly.
>
> This blank stare is so sad, I see it in so many kids faces.
>
> I think alot of times they can't believe that an adult is really talking to
> them and cares what they have to say.
>
>
which is VERY often, they usually smile and engage in conversation. Yeah,
there may be some shy ones, but they dont just stare blankly, they might grin
and hide behind Mommy. Maybe its a "regional" difference or something. Most
folks and thier kids around here are pretty friendly and willing to talk if
someone offers to strike up a conversation. ( which, I usually do.. hehe)
Teresa
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Kelli Traaseth
maybe its different kinds of people or different circles
I know I'm not fitting in very well in the place where we live right now, neighborhood, I think maybe the kids are ordered around too much, alot of these people are wrapped up in appearances and such.
Can't have their kids looking unkept or anything ya know... pretty snobby.
I do have closer friends whose kids will talk, but only a couple,
I have been told by some adults that they enjoy our kids alot because they see a spark in their eyes, I don't quite know why there aren't more around. Have all their spirits been sqwashed?(sp) broken?
Kelli
grlynbl@... wrote:In a message dated 1/8/03 9:11:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:
which is VERY often, they usually smile and engage in conversation. Yeah,
there may be some shy ones, but they dont just stare blankly, they might grin
and hide behind Mommy. Maybe its a "regional" difference or something. Most
folks and thier kids around here are pretty friendly and willing to talk if
someone offers to strike up a conversation. ( which, I usually do.. hehe)
Teresa
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I know I'm not fitting in very well in the place where we live right now, neighborhood, I think maybe the kids are ordered around too much, alot of these people are wrapped up in appearances and such.
Can't have their kids looking unkept or anything ya know... pretty snobby.
I do have closer friends whose kids will talk, but only a couple,
I have been told by some adults that they enjoy our kids alot because they see a spark in their eyes, I don't quite know why there aren't more around. Have all their spirits been sqwashed?(sp) broken?
Kelli
grlynbl@... wrote:In a message dated 1/8/03 9:11:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:
> I'm finding it interesting that there are very few children who will respondI gotta say.. I've not seen very much of that.. When I speak to children,
> to me when I speak to them, its as though they don't know what to say.
> All I'm usually saying is hello, I will try and start a conversation and
> they just stare at me blankly.
>
> This blank stare is so sad, I see it in so many kids faces.
>
> I think alot of times they can't believe that an adult is really talking to
> them and cares what they have to say.
>
>
which is VERY often, they usually smile and engage in conversation. Yeah,
there may be some shy ones, but they dont just stare blankly, they might grin
and hide behind Mommy. Maybe its a "regional" difference or something. Most
folks and thier kids around here are pretty friendly and willing to talk if
someone offers to strike up a conversation. ( which, I usually do.. hehe)
Teresa
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In a message dated 1/8/03 4:20:50 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Guess what, any 7 year old who has teen siblings is going to have a more
"sophisticated" vocabulary than others. (So what!) They need to learn what
is and isn't appropriate yes, but they *will* learn it in time. Why does
every mistake a child makes have to imply some horrible home environment, bad
parents, or some kind of immoral character defect! >>
Yes, for sure.
Today, on the way home from our homeschool "resource day", Trevor was
describing how they were acting out with the chess pieces.
He and a 15 y.o. were making up stories about the chess pieces and acting
them out...they had Lesbian queens, Kings having affairs with other pieces
etc....
It was all centered around sexuality.
As he's describing the scene I'm sitting there amazed that he'd share all of
it with me. Most kids would bend over backwards to hide stuff like that from
their parents.
But I remember acting out sex with Barbies and other exploratory
drama....it's fascinating, and normal.
So although it still surprises me, just what these children will share in a
trusting, free environment, I am so thankful they do include me in their
machinations and don't fear I will get upset by sexual or other intimate talk.
Ren
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[email protected] writes:
<< Guess what, any 7 year old who has teen siblings is going to have a more
"sophisticated" vocabulary than others. (So what!) They need to learn what
is and isn't appropriate yes, but they *will* learn it in time. Why does
every mistake a child makes have to imply some horrible home environment, bad
parents, or some kind of immoral character defect! >>
Yes, for sure.
Today, on the way home from our homeschool "resource day", Trevor was
describing how they were acting out with the chess pieces.
He and a 15 y.o. were making up stories about the chess pieces and acting
them out...they had Lesbian queens, Kings having affairs with other pieces
etc....
It was all centered around sexuality.
As he's describing the scene I'm sitting there amazed that he'd share all of
it with me. Most kids would bend over backwards to hide stuff like that from
their parents.
But I remember acting out sex with Barbies and other exploratory
drama....it's fascinating, and normal.
So although it still surprises me, just what these children will share in a
trusting, free environment, I am so thankful they do include me in their
machinations and don't fear I will get upset by sexual or other intimate talk.
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
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In a message dated 1/8/03 8:58:07 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< My daughter and I have had a great time playing Godzilla: Destroy All
Monsters. We stomp on buildings and throw them around. We beat the pixels
out of other monsters. >>
OH!! I positively LOVE that game. I had no interest in learning to play video
games until I saw that one. Being a big, freaky monster and destroying cities
looked so fun, and it IS.
The funniest thing, is that Jared can beat absolutely anyone, which irritates
the heck out of Trevor who is usually video game king around here.
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
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[email protected] writes:
<< My daughter and I have had a great time playing Godzilla: Destroy All
Monsters. We stomp on buildings and throw them around. We beat the pixels
out of other monsters. >>
OH!! I positively LOVE that game. I had no interest in learning to play video
games until I saw that one. Being a big, freaky monster and destroying cities
looked so fun, and it IS.
The funniest thing, is that Jared can beat absolutely anyone, which irritates
the heck out of Trevor who is usually video game king around here.
Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
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In a message dated 1/8/03 4:21:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
Teresa
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> But I remember acting out sex with Barbies and other exploratoryMy boys do that with thier stuffed animals..
> drama....it's fascinating, and normal.
>
Teresa
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elaine greenwood-hyde
Subject: Re: Re: GTA
<< Games don't cause mental illness or violent behaviour PEOPLE do. >>
Hi Sandra
yeah I know it's more complicated than that. I just ran off at
the mouth a bit as I was getting really annoyed. I think all the 'Ned' posts
and this just proved too much. Plus I am very very tired atm. Thanks,
Elaine
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<< Games don't cause mental illness or violent behaviour PEOPLE do. >>
Hi Sandra
yeah I know it's more complicated than that. I just ran off at
the mouth a bit as I was getting really annoyed. I think all the 'Ned' posts
and this just proved too much. Plus I am very very tired atm. Thanks,
Elaine
>I don't think people do either, on the mental illness. >Though it's_________________________________________________________________
>certainly possible to make it way worse if it's there. And some >people
>are genetically more violent, and that too is something >nurture can
>affect, and philosophy and self esteem can affect.
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>I found this interesting. To me this just screams they've been taught
>
>>I'm finding it interesting that there are very few children who will respond
>>to me when I speak to them, its as though they don't know what to say.
>>All I'm usually saying is hello, I will try and start a conversation and
>>they just stare at me blankly.
>>
not to talk to strangers. I could be wrong, but I feel that young kids
in your area are probably taught this very heavily.
:-) Diane
Kelli Traaseth
No, unfortunately these are children who know me and play with my children. They aren't used to adults really interested in them or wanting to seriously hear an answer from them. If I wait and we have enough time to have a conversation they will eventually come out, but its like they have to process it, "oh, this adult actually is going to listen to what I have to say". None of these children are homeschooled.
Kelli
Bill and Diane <cen46624@...> wrote:>
not to talk to strangers. I could be wrong, but I feel that young kids
in your area are probably taught this very heavily.
:-) Diane
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Kelli
Bill and Diane <cen46624@...> wrote:>
>I found this interesting. To me this just screams they've been taught
>>I'm finding it interesting that there are very few children who will respond
>>to me when I speak to them, its as though they don't know what to say.
>>All I'm usually saying is hello, I will try and start a conversation and
>>they just stare at me blankly.
>>
not to talk to strangers. I could be wrong, but I feel that young kids
in your area are probably taught this very heavily.
:-) Diane
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In a message dated 1/10/03 11:24:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:
the kids will begin to trust adults.( at least one, you). Have you ever
asked thier parents why think thier kids are so "shy" around adults? May be
a good way to open a doorway into discussing some issues that the parents
have never considered.. Who knows. maybe the parents are concerned about it
too.. Or, maybe they dont even see and realize it.. Or, heck, maybe they
encourage and perpetuate it.. You'll just keep guessing til you ask them..
Teresa
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kellitraas@... writes:
> No, unfortunately these are children who know me and play with my children.That is really sad. Maybe the more you are around these families, the more
> They aren't used to adults really interested in them or wanting to
> seriously hear an answer from them. If I wait and we have enough time
> to have a conversation they will eventually come out, but its like they
> have to process it, "oh, this adult actually is going to listen to what I
> have to say". None of these children are homeschooled.
>
> Kelli
>
the kids will begin to trust adults.( at least one, you). Have you ever
asked thier parents why think thier kids are so "shy" around adults? May be
a good way to open a doorway into discussing some issues that the parents
have never considered.. Who knows. maybe the parents are concerned about it
too.. Or, maybe they dont even see and realize it.. Or, heck, maybe they
encourage and perpetuate it.. You'll just keep guessing til you ask them..
Teresa
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/9/03 9:08:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, cen46624@...
writes:
she couldn't talk to strangers. I've asked her why she doesn't answer people
when they ask her a question, and she says "I don't know". Maybe it's just
her age.
Patti
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writes:
> I'm finding it interesting that there are very few children who will respondMy daughter does this. I have no idea why. She's 4 and I've never told her
> >>to me when I speak to them, its as though they don't know what to say.
>
> >>All I'm usually saying is hello, I will try and start a conversation and
> >>they just stare at me blankly.
> >>
>
she couldn't talk to strangers. I've asked her why she doesn't answer people
when they ask her a question, and she says "I don't know". Maybe it's just
her age.
Patti
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/13/03 11:15:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
HappyMato2@... writes:
ignore my gut sometimes. My son did that once and I asked him why and he
said he didn't feel like talking to that guy and I told him he didn't have
to.
Pam G.
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HappyMato2@... writes:
> . She's 4 and I've never told herCould be just a gut reaction for her. I know as an adult I have learned to
> she couldn't talk to strangers. I've asked her why she doesn't answer
> people
> when they ask her a question, and she says "I don't know". Maybe it's just
>
> her age.
>
>
ignore my gut sometimes. My son did that once and I asked him why and he
said he didn't feel like talking to that guy and I told him he didn't have
to.
Pam G.
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Have a Nice Day!
Why?
You seem to have all the answers already. It won't matter what reason anyone gives, you're already convinced its for the violence.
Seems like a waste of everyone's time to me.
Kristen
You seem to have all the answers already. It won't matter what reason anyone gives, you're already convinced its for the violence.
Seems like a waste of everyone's time to me.
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonor Gomes
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 6:21 AM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] GTA
I honestly would like people to explain to me why do
they like to play GTA.
Leo
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In a message dated 4/17/04 5:01:44 AM, mais1mae@... writes:
<< I honestly would like people to explain to me why do
they like to play GTA. >>
My kids don't own it, but have played it.
There's a good article about it linked here (Still linked, I hope):
http://sandradodd.com/video/page
Sandra
<< I honestly would like people to explain to me why do
they like to play GTA. >>
My kids don't own it, but have played it.
There's a good article about it linked here (Still linked, I hope):
http://sandradodd.com/video/page
Sandra
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on 4/17/04 12:22 PM, SandraDodd@... at SandraDodd@... wrote:
http://sandradodd.com/games/page
Joyce
> There's a good article about it linked here (Still linked, I hope):Actually it's:
>
> http://sandradodd.com/video/page
http://sandradodd.com/games/page
Joyce