Betsy

My dream came true <g> and someone gave me a Borders gift certificate
for Christmas. Who's reading something interesting that you would
recommend. Or what have you read recently that I *shouldn't* buy?

Betsy

PS I also love children's books, so don't limit your suggestions to
grown-up titles.

Samantha Stopple

--- Betsy <ecsamhill@...> wrote:
>
>
> My dream came true <g> and someone gave me a Borders
> gift certificate
> for Christmas. Who's reading something interesting
> that you would
> recommend. Or what have you read recently that I
> *shouldn't* buy?

Nonviolent Communication (NVC): A Language of
Compassion by Marshall Rosenberg

NVC is a great communication tool for unschooling moms
with reluctant parteners and for more peaceful
parenting. Check out more about it at cnvc.org

Samantha

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In a message dated 1/6/03 10:35:47 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< Nonviolent Communication (NVC): A Language of
Compassion by Marshall Rosenberg >>

I had that on my list of books to buy and had sent the website to my
sis...she went right out and bought it. She says it's totally incredible.
I need to go get that one!!

Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
"Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com

Samantha Stopple

--- starsuncloud@... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/6/03 10:35:47 PM Central
> Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << Nonviolent Communication (NVC): A Language of
> Compassion by Marshall Rosenberg >>
> I had that on my list of books to buy and had sent
> the website to my
> sis...she went right out and bought it. She says
> it's totally incredible.
> I need to go get that one!!

Yes you do! I can't say enough awesome things about
it.

There is also a yahoo group for parents striving to
use NVC with their kids:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nvc-parenting/

Samantha


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Tia Leschke

> My dream came true <g> and someone gave me a Borders gift certificate
> for Christmas. Who's reading something interesting that you would
> recommend. Or what have you read recently that I *shouldn't* buy?
>
> Betsy
>
> PS I also love children's books, so don't limit your suggestions to
> grown-up titles.

My son, the one who's allergic to books, got me a gift certificate at my
fave bookstore. I bought one with that and another with some Christmas
money. I asked him whether he wanted to give me the book on writing of kids
or the one on learning to write poetry. He chose the poetry.

He's been surprisingly pleasant to get along with lately. I still don't
feel that close, but I don't feel so far away either. So is it just moving
from a hard to an easy period in his growth, or is it that I've been trying
to pay attention to what he *is* doing rather than what I *wish* he was
doing? Or a bit of both?
Tia

Tia Leschke

>
> Nonviolent Communication (NVC): A Language of
> Compassion by Marshall Rosenberg

Cool. My daughter and I gave each other that book. She had asked for it
but knew I was reading it from the library. How I laughed when I saw the
exact same size package for me.
Tia

Samantha Stopple

> PS I also love children's books, so don't limit
>your suggestions to grown-up titles.

Oops I didn't see this the first time around.

I really like the poems by Jack Prelusky, my kids do
too. He kind of like Shel Silverstien but not quite as
dark.

If you like nature type stuff kind of poetry like get
anything by Byrd Baylor. Most of her stuff is
illustrated by Peter Parnell whose artwork I love.
Parnell also has some good books out too. One I have
is _The Rock_

a link to a list of baylor's books
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/002-6643231-5924036

Some of my favorites are:

_The other way to listen_
_Everyone needs a rock_
_The table where rich people sit_

Samantha

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on 1/6/03 10:34 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:

> Who's reading something interesting that you would
> recommend.

The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Klay by Michael Chabon.

Fabulous!!

Paula

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The Handmaid's Tale By Margaret Atwood.
Loved IT!

*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.


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[email protected]

Betsy -

I'm half way through the Cairo trilogy by Naguib Mahfouz and highly recommend
it. The first book is Palace Walk, the second is Palace of Desire and I'm
not sure of the third. It is so beautifully written and translated, I can't
describe it. I'm completely transported to another culture, another world
and am getting comfortable there.

Got mine from the library though.

Elizabeth


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Betsy

**
My son, the one who's allergic to books, got me a gift certificate at my
fave bookstore. **

Wow! I know I'm not supposed to fixate on one particular outcome for my
child, but I'd like to fixate on having him grow up to be one who
sweetly buys bookstore certificates despite his own distate. (OK, I'm
exaggerating my priorities a little.)

I suppose I should probably model selflessness and overcome my loathing
and buy him that garter snake that he wants. Oh, my!

**He's been surprisingly pleasant to get along with lately. I still don't
feel that close, but I don't feel so far away either. So is it just moving
from a hard to an easy period in his growth, or is it that I've been trying
to pay attention to what he *is* doing rather than what I *wish* he was
doing? Or a bit of both?**

Oh, man, I don't know. Is there one particular annoying behavior that
stopped. Or several pleasant behaviors that started?

Betsy

Tia Leschke

>
> Wow! I know I'm not supposed to fixate on one particular outcome for my
> child, but I'd like to fixate on having him grow up to be one who
> sweetly buys bookstore certificates despite his own distate. (OK, I'm
> exaggerating my priorities a little.)
>
> I suppose I should probably model selflessness and overcome my loathing
> and buy him that garter snake that he wants. Oh, my!

I'm glad mine doesn't want one of those. I've worked hard to overcome my
fear of snakes (but only after moving to where there are no poisonous ones)
but I still think I'd have a hard time with one in the house.
>
> **He's been surprisingly pleasant to get along with lately. I still don't
> feel that close, but I don't feel so far away either. So is it just
moving
> from a hard to an easy period in his growth, or is it that I've been
trying
> to pay attention to what he *is* doing rather than what I *wish* he was
> doing? Or a bit of both?**
>
> Oh, man, I don't know. Is there one particular annoying behavior that
> stopped. Or several pleasant behaviors that started?

I think it's got something to do with fewer scowls when I attempt a joke.
<g> But really, he's just doing little nice things every so often and fewer
of the things that bug me.
Tia

Jeff & Kate Kerr

***I'm half way through the Cairo trilogy by Naguib Mahfouz and highly
recommend
it. The first book is Palace Walk, the second is Palace of Desire and
I'm
not sure of the third. It is so beautifully written and translated, I
can't
describe it. I'm completely transported to another culture, another
world
and am getting comfortable there.

Got mine from the library though.

Elizabeth***


Oh Elizabeth, I'm so glad to hear that some one else loves these books!
They're wonderful you're right, they are among my favorite books ever.

When I was in college one of my professors saw me reading Palace of
Desire and stopped to talk about it. He asked if didn't I think it was
a bit open ended? I gently explained to him that it was a trilogy and
he laughed - I still haven't read the third one either, it's hard to
find in my small town (I try to shop locally).

I like just about anything by Doris Lessing (never read the sci-fi stuff
though).

Kate
who appears from lurkdom now and then

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Kate -

Yesterday one of my cherubs removed my book mark from Palace of Desire. At
first I was a little pissed, but then I was pleased because I got to re-read
some passages to figure out where I was.

In their defense, the book mark is a strip of paint colors from the hardware
store, varying shades of red from when I painted the kitchen. They wanted a
closer look.

Elizabeth


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Deborah Lewis

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:51:31 EST ejcrewe@... writes:

> In their defense, the book mark is a strip of paint colors from the
> hardware
> store, ...

I use those! Just the right size, nice colors and FREE! I'm reading
Shogun to Dylan.

Deb L

Shyrley

I'm reading the Asterix comic books, Calvin and Hobbes and 'And the Skylark sings with me'

Not all at the same time though ;-)

Shyrley

Betsy

**
I'm reading the Asterix comic books, Calvin and Hobbes and 'And the
Skylark sings with me'

Not all at the same time though ;-)**


It's a strange and compelling combination, though, Shyrley. It makes me
picture David Albert as he would look as a cartoon character, holding a
stuffed tiger and wandering around ancient Gaul. <g> (I've never met
him, "Hello!", but I did *see* him at the Sacramento conference.)

And, to be just a bit more serious, do you think people would "get"
unschooling any better if we showed it in a comic book format? (The
Adventures of Amazingchild!) We've got to try something different, and
preferably illustrated, because it often comes through so poorly in words.

Maybe all those young unschooled filmmakers will immortalize unschooling
in that medium.

I suppose the problem is not the media we use, but the pictures and
ideas that are already firmly rooted in the brains of our audience.

Betsy

Rachel Ann

Maybe we can just tell them what my daughter said to me when I told her I
was worried that I was depriving her of knowledge by not teaching her math..
paraphrasing here..

"You can't force a person to learn. I'll learn it when I'm ready without
all the anger and tears, just like I learned to read. Now I love reading...


It really is hard to argue with that...

be well,
Rachel Ann, mom of one smart 9 year old....who may not know her *tables* but
sure can debate sensibly!!!



And, to be just a bit more serious, do you think people would "get"
unschooling any better if we showed it in a comic book format? (The
Adventures of Amazingchild!) We've got to try something different, and
preferably illustrated, because it often comes through so poorly in words.

Maybe all those young unschooled filmmakers will immortalize unschooling
in that medium.

I suppose the problem is not the media we use, but the pictures and
ideas that are already firmly rooted in the brains of our audience.

Betsy

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In a message dated 1/8/03 11:25:35 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:

<< I'm reading the Asterix comic books, Calvin and Hobbes and 'And the
Skylark sings with me' >>

Just this morning as my husband was getting ready for work, I was admiring
the one single piece of wall-art on our bedroom wall. It's a mirror with a
nice print (decal, I guess, but maybe baked on) of Asterix and Obelix with
his menhir. I've had it for over 20 years. Got it in England. Keith and I
first read Asterix comics together and we still have all of them, and got a
couple of newer ones lately.

I'm reading _In the Arena,_ the autobiography of Charlton Heston, and a very
good book on the making of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. And various places
in there I find bits of trivia about what's coming in the third movie, when
they're talking about sets and special effects and miniatures.

Sandra

Jeff & Kate Kerr

The kids and I are reading Holes (I saw a poster for a movie called
Holes the other day - I'm hoping it's from the book).

We're also reading Captain Underpants and the Invasion of the Incredibly
Naughty Cafeteria Ladies from Outer Space (and the subsequent assault of
the equally evil lunchroom zombie nerds).

We love Captain Underpants.

Kate
who has a stack of new books by her bed almost as tall as her bed!

Q

I may not be posting a lot over the next few days because whenever I am
unable to put down "The Fiery Cross" by Diana Gabaldon. It's the fifth book
in a series and it's just got everything...time travel, romance, men in
kilts...what more could one want?

Her first book is called Outlander, for anyone not aquainted with the
series.

As for my kid. right now he is obsessed with "My First Truck Book". He's
memorized the whole thing and "reads" it to me. Every day I have to listen
to three or four repetitions of
"snow plough, road sweeper, cement mixer...." oh joy.

Hikaru

Fetteroll

on 1/8/03 2:10 PM, Betsy at ecsamhill@... wrote:

> Maybe all those young unschooled filmmakers will immortalize unschooling
> in that medium.

It's already been done once. It's called Kiki's Delivery Service ;-)

(Actually there are a bunch of unschooling movies listed on the message
boards at Unschooling.com They just don't know they're unschooling!)

Joyce

[email protected]

In a message dated 1/9/2003 4:42:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fetteroll@... writes:
> > Maybe all those young unschooled filmmakers will immortalize unschooling
> > in that medium.
>
> It's already been done once. It's called Kiki's Delivery Service ;-)

And Peter Kowalke has just released his Documentary? of unchooled teens.
About $20. Order through his website.

~Kelly


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[email protected]

I've read all the outlander books, the last one (FC) over a year ago when it
first came out. WHEN is she going to finish the next one!!!!!!??????

*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.


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the_clevengers <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], Betsy <ecsamhill@e...>
wrote:
> My dream came true <g> and someone gave me a Borders gift
certificate
> for Christmas. Who's reading something interesting that you would
> recommend. Or what have you read recently that I *shouldn't* buy?

Just finished Wally Lamb's "I Know This Much is True", which is long,
but pulled me right along. It's first-person by a brother who is
dealing with a schizophrenic twin, and his past.

Am now reading "Fall On Your Knees" by Ann-Marie MacDonald which is
quite good as well. It's a bit outside my usual genre - a family saga
set in Nova Scotia - but the writing is so good I am really enjoying
it.

If you haven't already read "The Poisonwood Bible" by Barbara
Kingsolver, that's on my all-time top 3 list, and I want to re-read
it soon.

Blue Skies,
-Robin-

Tia Leschke

> I've read all the outlander books, the last one (FC) over a year ago when
it
> first came out. WHEN is she going to finish the next one!!!!!!??????

She's got a mystery she's working on. She says she'll finish the next
Outlander book when it's done.
Tia

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In a message dated 1/10/03 12:29:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, leschke@...
writes:

> She's got a mystery she's working on. She says she'll finish the next
> Outlander book when it's done.
> Tia
>
>
>
Well,
I don't care about some dumb mystery. I want to know what's going to happen
to Claire and Jaime!
Hmph!

*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.


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Tia Leschke

> Well,
> I don't care about some dumb mystery. I want to know what's going to
happen
> to Claire and Jaime!
> Hmph!

I'm with you!
Tia