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In a message dated 1/6/03 3:14:30 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< My dad ran on ahead to alert the rangers to get a rescue operation going.
He wanted to help more, but they said he'd done enough climbing that day.
Later we heard that the man died in the helicopter on the way to the
hospital. >>

That is SO sad. I am always very in tune to the news when I hear of
mountain/rock climbing accidents since we love it so very much.
It rates just below mowing your lawn on a list of dangerous activities though.
We were shocked by the latest Mt. Hood story (same mountain Mark fell off)
about the climbers falling and then the rescue helicopter crashing. The
footage was surreal.
Those climbers fell very near to where Mark did, the helicopter crashed right
where part of his fall was. Freaky.
But it's an awesome activity...I miss the mountains.

Ren
"The world's much smaller than you think. Made up of two kinds of
people--simple and complicated.....The simple ones are contented. The
complicated ones aren't."
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Tia Leschke

>
> That is SO sad. I am always very in tune to the news when I hear of
> mountain/rock climbing accidents since we love it so very much.
> It rates just below mowing your lawn on a list of dangerous activities
though.
> We were shocked by the latest Mt. Hood story (same mountain Mark fell off)
> about the climbers falling and then the rescue helicopter crashing. The
> footage was surreal.
> Those climbers fell very near to where Mark did, the helicopter crashed
right
> where part of his fall was. Freaky.
> But it's an awesome activity...I miss the mountains.

I never really got into it. I couldn't get past the exposure. I always
loved finding ways to climb up a short cliff when we were camping, but I
never liked being where a fall was potentially fatal. My grandfather
climbed a lot in the alps before they left Germany in the 20's and then he
and my dad climbed in the Sierra. My dad mis-judged a talus slope when he
was in his early 20's I think, on Banner or Ritter, I forget which. He
almost made it to the edge, jumping from boulder to boulder, but ended up
with his head between two boulders. All that happened was he lost the outer
part of his ear.
Tia

Paula Sjogerman

on 1/6/03 3:14 PM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:

> why I felt it was more
> disruptive than thought filled, I've been in lots of noisy frustrating
> debates where people are clearly not understanding each other. To me that
> wasn't the case here. The quality was different. Ned appeared to neither
> respond to the opposing ideas nor to the objections to his ideas. He
> attacked people personally and basically just repeated what he'd said before
> as though others just weren't listening to him. The thinking it prompted at
> the beginning was great. But it devolved into repeating those thoughts over
> and over and over and was noise filling up people's mail boxes.

Well, although I have five digests to go through, I just thought that - as
just a regular joe poster - I would back Joyce up on her view above. This is
exactly what it seemed like to me.

Paula