Tia Leschke

>
> Helen ( hey again.)
> Nice to meet you.. Obviously, Ive come to this list while you were gone.
How
> long were you gone? I wonder if this list changed a lot while you were
> gone. The above copied post IS typical around here. I think its a
warning
> for folks to be ready to defend themselves if they step out of line too
soon.

Uh . . . Helen is the list owner, publisher of Home Education News, and
unschooling mother and grandmother. <g>
Tia

Helen Hegener

At 8:55 PM -0800 1/3/03, Tia Leschke wrote:
>Uh . . . Helen is the list owner, publisher of Home Education News, and
>unschooling mother and grandmother. <g>

Golly, Tia, you make me sound positively ancient!

What's that? I *am* ancient? You mean I can give up trying to pick
out all those gray hairs now? <g>

Helen
(whose dh thinks the gray hairs are sexy) <BWEG>

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In a message dated 1/3/03 11:58:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, leschke@...
writes:

> Uh . . . Helen is the list owner, publisher of Home Education News, and
> unschooling mother and grandmother. <g>
> Tia
>

Well, thats nice to know :-) .. How else would I know that if I didnt ask?

Teresa


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Betsy

** Helen is the list owner, publisher of Home Education News, and
> unschooling mother and grandmother. <g>
> Tia
>

Well, thats nice to know :-) .. How else would I know that if I didnt ask?

Teresa**


Good point!

(And I want to generalize here, without picking on Tia. Please excuse me.)

Overall, our culture (in the US) has what feels to me like a nasty,
schoolmarmish, red-pencil-wielding tone about not knowing the "right"
stuff at the "right time". There are certain "important" things that
we're all supposed to learn the day before the test. Learning anything
after the test doesn't count as learning. Those red marks pointing out
ignorance don't go away.

There's lip-service in our culture to "learning", but what we reward is
"already knowing". (I think in school it's often those that already
know the subject being presented that are going to get the best grades
in the class. It's very hard for a teacher to detect who in a class has
actually learned the most.)

Let's all do what we can to quash this "you should know that already"
attitude and encourage questioning and learning at any age and on any
day. (I think everyone can agree to that.)

Betsy

Tia Leschke

And you have to pass the test to be invited.
> Is it rude to "crash" a party or a conversation?? Does one have to sit
back
> and wait to be invited to join in? That is a statement open for debate.
> Many members here have often said "if you post something publically, then
you
> should expect folks to respond" OK.. agreed 100%.. but does that mean,
only
> folks who have been here a certain amount of time? OH yes, Im sorry, it
> does.. Because folks who have not been here long enough may cause
detriment
> to the fortitude of the UNSCHOOLING PHILOSOPHY as interpreted by some on
> this group.

This is a rather strange interpretation of the reality of this list. In the
recent past, a number of new people have come on and posted. Those people
have not been jumped on or criticized. Every so often someone comes on and
posts something that could steer new unschoolers in a less productive
direction. Those posts (not the people, their posts) have been commented
on. The suggestion to wait a couple of weeks before posting is just that, a
suggestion.
>
> The last thing I want is to be coddled. Some folks have tactful,
actually
> HELPFUL ways of offering advice and insight. It's not sugar coated or
> intended to pacify, its offered in genuine good will towards folks who
> need/want/request input from others.

Those are the people whose posts you should read if you're going to stay.
If you don't like the way Sandra posts, don't read her posts.
Tia

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<< Is it rude to "crash" a party or a conversation?? >>

I think that qualifies as a stupid question.
"Crashing" a party is the definition of rudeness.
But this isn't a party.

Causing a conversation to turn away from unschooling to other issues isn't
"crashing" it, but if after those who were trying to discuss unschooling say
one thing or another isn't unschooling, then carping on the original thing
isn't helpful.

<< Every so often someone comes on and
posts something that could steer new unschoolers in a less productive
direction. Those posts (not the people, their posts) have been commented
on. >>

Exactly.

Sadnra

Helen Hegener

At 8:47 AM -0800 1/4/03, Betsy wrote:
>Let's all do what we can to quash this "you should know that already"
>attitude and encourage questioning and learning at any age and on any
>day. (I think everyone can agree to that.)

Sounds like the best idea I've read on this list lately.

Helen, who worries about this list sometimes