Unschooling in NY
Shyrley
I've just been redaing state laws for HS in NY.
Not a pleasant experience...
Detailed curriculum, they tell you what to teach in what grades, quarterly reports plus annual testing.
Does anyone unschool in NY and how do they do it?
We might have to move to Minnesota instead, or Colorado Springs.
Shyrley
Not a pleasant experience...
Detailed curriculum, they tell you what to teach in what grades, quarterly reports plus annual testing.
Does anyone unschool in NY and how do they do it?
We might have to move to Minnesota instead, or Colorado Springs.
Shyrley
Tia Leschke
> We might have to move to Minnesota instead, or Colorado Springs.From what I've heard, you wouldn't like Colorado Springs. That's where the
Focus on the Family headquarters is.
Tia
Shyrley
Tia Leschke wrote:
I'm sure they'd welcome a pagan unschooler who's foreign with open arms ;-)
Seriously though, DH wants to spend another year in the US. I've sort of agreed as long as its not Virginia. Our choices, based on current job offers are Syracuse, NY, Colorado Springs, CO and
Minneapolis, MN.
My main goals are cooler summers, less humidity and snow in the winter.
It would be nice if the state was friendly to unschoolers but its not essential as I don't intend to announce myself when I arrive and it took 18 months for someone here to snitch to the school board
about me. We'll be gone within the year back to the UK.
Shyrley
> > We might have to move to Minnesota instead, or Colorado Springs.ooooooooooo, a challenge!
>
> >From what I've heard, you wouldn't like Colorado Springs. That's where the
> Focus on the Family headquarters is.
> Tia
>
I'm sure they'd welcome a pagan unschooler who's foreign with open arms ;-)
Seriously though, DH wants to spend another year in the US. I've sort of agreed as long as its not Virginia. Our choices, based on current job offers are Syracuse, NY, Colorado Springs, CO and
Minneapolis, MN.
My main goals are cooler summers, less humidity and snow in the winter.
It would be nice if the state was friendly to unschoolers but its not essential as I don't intend to announce myself when I arrive and it took 18 months for someone here to snitch to the school board
about me. We'll be gone within the year back to the UK.
Shyrley
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/23/2002 11:20:48 AM Central Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:
What happened then? And why would someone do such a thing?
Tuck
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shyrley.williams@... writes:
> it took 18 months for someone here to snitch to the school boardSomebody snitched???
> about me.
What happened then? And why would someone do such a thing?
Tuck
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Michigan's laws are very lenient. You can come here.
Patti
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Patti
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marji
At 12:23 12/23/02 -0500, you wrote:
wouldn't be so bad. You could stay underground (I definitely WON'T
snitch). That testing requirement is every other year and can start in
either fourth grade or fifth grade. I'm not sure how old your young'uns
are, but if you're only going to be in New York for one year, I wouldn't
sweat it. All those requirements can be annoying, but everything depends
on the school district around here. I just happen to have (whispering,
here) a rather apathetic school district who couldn't care less about
me. Some of them, though, seem to have something to prove and they try to
get in your face, or so I understand. I was going to stay underground, but
for some reason that I can't remember now I chickened out and sent in the
required letter of intent and individualized home instruction plan ("I plan
to wear my pajamas until 1 p.m. Mondays, Wednesdays and alternating
Thursdays..."). But, I had help on all the other paperwork stuff, and I'm
just skating along. The school district (whispering here again) never
contacts me or acknowledges my paperwork. Great!
I'm thinking of fleeing the country anyway because of all the madness, so
maybe we'll never have to deal with the testing requirement and the
smallpox vaccination requirement and all the other weird horrors that seem
to be coming down the pike... I'm rambling. Sorry.
Anyway, Shyrley, you probably can't go too wrong no matter where you end up
if you only have to be there for a year. If I lived closer to Syracuse,
I'd tell you all sorts of stuff so you'd pick NY, but it's several hours'
drive from here, only a little closer to me than you are right now.
Take care,
Marji
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>ooooooooooo, a challenge!Since you're not going to be here for the long haul, Shyrley, New York
>I'm sure they'd welcome a pagan unschooler who's foreign with open arms ;-)
>
>Seriously though, DH wants to spend another year in the US. I've sort of
>agreed as long as its not Virginia. Our choices, based on current job
>offers are Syracuse, NY, Colorado Springs, CO and
>Minneapolis, MN.
>My main goals are cooler summers, less humidity and snow in the winter.
>It would be nice if the state was friendly to unschoolers but its not
>essential as I don't intend to announce myself when I arrive and it took
>18 months for someone here to snitch to the school board
>about me. We'll be gone within the year back to the UK.
>
>Shyrley
wouldn't be so bad. You could stay underground (I definitely WON'T
snitch). That testing requirement is every other year and can start in
either fourth grade or fifth grade. I'm not sure how old your young'uns
are, but if you're only going to be in New York for one year, I wouldn't
sweat it. All those requirements can be annoying, but everything depends
on the school district around here. I just happen to have (whispering,
here) a rather apathetic school district who couldn't care less about
me. Some of them, though, seem to have something to prove and they try to
get in your face, or so I understand. I was going to stay underground, but
for some reason that I can't remember now I chickened out and sent in the
required letter of intent and individualized home instruction plan ("I plan
to wear my pajamas until 1 p.m. Mondays, Wednesdays and alternating
Thursdays..."). But, I had help on all the other paperwork stuff, and I'm
just skating along. The school district (whispering here again) never
contacts me or acknowledges my paperwork. Great!
I'm thinking of fleeing the country anyway because of all the madness, so
maybe we'll never have to deal with the testing requirement and the
smallpox vaccination requirement and all the other weird horrors that seem
to be coming down the pike... I'm rambling. Sorry.
Anyway, Shyrley, you probably can't go too wrong no matter where you end up
if you only have to be there for a year. If I lived closer to Syracuse,
I'd tell you all sorts of stuff so you'd pick NY, but it's several hours'
drive from here, only a little closer to me than you are right now.
Take care,
Marji
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Shyrley
tuckervill@... wrote:
refused to tell me who or how but I rather think it was a 'who' mainly cos my kids aren't registered anywhere - no doctors etc.
I think I must have annoyed someone on a homeschooling list becaise I'm pretty outspoken (loud n opinionated) so they turned me in. Ho hum.
It did mean I spent an hour translating the Notice of Intent to Homeschool form into Welsh. Virginia law doesn't say you have to file in English :-) and I'm feeling petty.
I just called the school board too and asked about grades. They said I can put my kids in whatever grade feels appropriate and test for that grade at the end of the year. This means we will do the Grade
1 tests :-)
Shyrley
> In a message dated 12/23/2002 11:20:48 AM Central Standard Time,I'm not entirely sure but we homeschooled underground for 18 months and then a couple of weeks ago the county wrote to me saying 'they had been informed' that I was homeschooling in the county. They
> shyrley.williams@... writes:
>
> > it took 18 months for someone here to snitch to the school board
> > about me.
>
> Somebody snitched???
>
> What happened then? And why would someone do such a thing?
>
> Tuck
>
refused to tell me who or how but I rather think it was a 'who' mainly cos my kids aren't registered anywhere - no doctors etc.
I think I must have annoyed someone on a homeschooling list becaise I'm pretty outspoken (loud n opinionated) so they turned me in. Ho hum.
It did mean I spent an hour translating the Notice of Intent to Homeschool form into Welsh. Virginia law doesn't say you have to file in English :-) and I'm feeling petty.
I just called the school board too and asked about grades. They said I can put my kids in whatever grade feels appropriate and test for that grade at the end of the year. This means we will do the Grade
1 tests :-)
Shyrley
Tia Leschke
> It did mean I spent an hour translating the Notice of Intent to Homeschoolform into Welsh. Virginia law doesn't say you have to file in English :-)
and I'm feeling petty.
> I just called the school board too and asked about grades. They said I canput my kids in whatever grade feels appropriate and test for that grade at
the end of the year. This means we will do the Grade
> 1 tests :-)Snort! That's Shyrley, always good for a laugh.
Tia
Liza Sabater
Shyrley,
Where do you live? Here in NYC we have NYCHEA a support group founded
by unschoolers 20+ years ago. It is not an unschooling group per se
because it is an inclusive support group but we have many people who
have been unschooling for a time.
You can also try reaching NYers at NY-Alert at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NY-alert/. It is a state-wide list.
<http://www.nyhen.org>NYHEN is a state off-shoot of NHEN.
There is really not a way out these regulations but a strategy. NY
state has the strictest compulsory laws after PA. Compliance is all
in the way you fill out the reports and how much importance you give
to the testing (you have to test the kids at some point or another).
Liza
At 11:07 AM -0500 12/23/02, Shyrley wrote:
Where do you live? Here in NYC we have NYCHEA a support group founded
by unschoolers 20+ years ago. It is not an unschooling group per se
because it is an inclusive support group but we have many people who
have been unschooling for a time.
You can also try reaching NYers at NY-Alert at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NY-alert/. It is a state-wide list.
<http://www.nyhen.org>NYHEN is a state off-shoot of NHEN.
There is really not a way out these regulations but a strategy. NY
state has the strictest compulsory laws after PA. Compliance is all
in the way you fill out the reports and how much importance you give
to the testing (you have to test the kids at some point or another).
Liza
At 11:07 AM -0500 12/23/02, Shyrley wrote:
>I've just been redaing state laws for HS in NY.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>Not a pleasant experience...
>Detailed curriculum, they tell you what to teach in what grades,
>quarterly reports plus annual testing.
>Does anyone unschool in NY and how do they do it?
>
>We might have to move to Minnesota instead, or Colorado Springs.
>
>Shyrley
>
>
>
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At 9:39 AM -0800 12/23/02, marji wrote:
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>I just happen to have (whispering,Where are you?
>here) a rather apathetic school district who couldn't care less about
>me.
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In a message dated 12/23/02 10:20:50 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:
<< We'll be gone within the year back to the UK. >>
This is your last year in the U.S. in any case then?
I thought Minnesota had annual testing requirements, but maybe that's Oregon.
Keith considered both places for a "real" move, and I whimpered (twice).
Sandra
<< We'll be gone within the year back to the UK. >>
This is your last year in the U.S. in any case then?
I thought Minnesota had annual testing requirements, but maybe that's Oregon.
Keith considered both places for a "real" move, and I whimpered (twice).
Sandra
Shyrley
SandraDodd@... wrote:
miss so many things.
I'd quite like Wisconsin too.
Shyrley
> In a message dated 12/23/02 10:20:50 AM, shyrley.williams@... writes:I'm hoping so. Not that I don't like the US, I do and I've made friends here but it ain't home and I'm more homesick than I ever thought I would be. This is our first xmas in a foreign country and I
>
> << We'll be gone within the year back to the UK. >>
>
> This is your last year in the U.S. in any case then?
miss so many things.
>Not sure but its easier than Virginia and hopefully colder in the winter and cooler in the summer. Even if it doesn have ticks :-(
>
> I thought Minnesota had annual testing requirements, but maybe that's Oregon.
> Keith considered both places for a "real" move, and I whimpered (twice).
I'd quite like Wisconsin too.
Shyrley
mary krzyzanowski
Hi Sryrley,
We unschool in NY. I have never run into any problems. We have been with 2
school districts and none has ever required a detailed curriculum. Our
current district only gave enough space on the form for me to write we will
be using materials in our home and outside resources. Our district tells the
subjects covered, but not what to teach in the subjects.
For our old school district, I used the World Book of Knowledge website to
list what the kids would "learn" about. The quarterly reports are easy: 0
days absent, 100% completed and grade of excellent. I put that in the
column for the first subject and then use ditto marks for all the rest.
There is no annual testing. You start in 4th or 5th grade and test every
other year.
We give the test at home, I sit with the child at the table and we go
through it together. I order it early so we have lots of time to work on
it. We use the California Achievement Test. The non-test years, I send a
few paragraphs about what the child has "learned", using the World Book of
Knowledge and the child's real interests.
A funny and true story: Homeschooling friends in our old district had
remodeled their kitchen, while cleaning up they found their quarterly
reports that should have been sent about a month ago. Mrs. B. called the
school to apologize. The school said," Oh, we thought you had sent them and
we had lost them!" Shows how much they care about the quarterlies.
HTH
Mary-NY
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We unschool in NY. I have never run into any problems. We have been with 2
school districts and none has ever required a detailed curriculum. Our
current district only gave enough space on the form for me to write we will
be using materials in our home and outside resources. Our district tells the
subjects covered, but not what to teach in the subjects.
For our old school district, I used the World Book of Knowledge website to
list what the kids would "learn" about. The quarterly reports are easy: 0
days absent, 100% completed and grade of excellent. I put that in the
column for the first subject and then use ditto marks for all the rest.
There is no annual testing. You start in 4th or 5th grade and test every
other year.
We give the test at home, I sit with the child at the table and we go
through it together. I order it early so we have lots of time to work on
it. We use the California Achievement Test. The non-test years, I send a
few paragraphs about what the child has "learned", using the World Book of
Knowledge and the child's real interests.
A funny and true story: Homeschooling friends in our old district had
remodeled their kitchen, while cleaning up they found their quarterly
reports that should have been sent about a month ago. Mrs. B. called the
school to apologize. The school said," Oh, we thought you had sent them and
we had lost them!" Shows how much they care about the quarterlies.
HTH
Mary-NY
>From: Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Unschooling in NY
>Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:07:45 -0500
>
>
>
>I've just been redaing state laws for HS in NY.
>Not a pleasant experience...
>Detailed curriculum, they tell you what to teach in what grades, quarterly
>reports plus annual testing.
>Does anyone unschool in NY and how do they do it?
>
>We might have to move to Minnesota instead, or Colorado Springs.
>
>Shyrley
>
>
>
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mary krzyzanowski
We live near Rochester (about 1 hour from Syracuse). I won't tell the
school board about you. We belong to a homeschool group (Rochester Area
Homeschooler Association- the majority are unschoolers).
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school board about you. We belong to a homeschool group (Rochester Area
Homeschooler Association- the majority are unschoolers).
Mary-NY
>From: Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Unschooling in NY
>Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:23:47 -0500
>
>
>
>Tia Leschke wrote:
>
> > > We might have to move to Minnesota instead, or Colorado Springs.
> >
> > >From what I've heard, you wouldn't like Colorado Springs. That's where
>the
> > Focus on the Family headquarters is.
> > Tia
> >
>
>ooooooooooo, a challenge!
>I'm sure they'd welcome a pagan unschooler who's foreign with open arms ;-)
>
>Seriously though, DH wants to spend another year in the US. I've sort of
>agreed as long as its not Virginia. Our choices, based on current job
>offers are Syracuse, NY, Colorado Springs, CO and
>Minneapolis, MN.
>My main goals are cooler summers, less humidity and snow in the winter.
>It would be nice if the state was friendly to unschoolers but its not
>essential as I don't intend to announce myself when I arrive and it took 18
>months for someone here to snitch to the school board
>about me. We'll be gone within the year back to the UK.
>
>Shyrley
>
>
>
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Anne Lown
Hi Mary,
What is the web address for the World Book of Knowledge.
I can't seem to find it when I do a search for it.
Thanks
Anne-UK
What is the web address for the World Book of Knowledge.
I can't seem to find it when I do a search for it.
Thanks
Anne-UK
----- Original Message -----
From: mary krzyzanowski
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Unschooling in NY
Hi Sryrley,
We unschool in NY. I have never run into any problems. We have been with 2
school districts and none has ever required a detailed curriculum. Our
current district only gave enough space on the form for me to write we will
be using materials in our home and outside resources. Our district tells the
subjects covered, but not what to teach in the subjects.
For our old school district, I used the World Book of Knowledge website to
list what the kids would "learn" about. The quarterly reports are easy: 0
days absent, 100% completed and grade of excellent. I put that in the
column for the first subject and then use ditto marks for all the rest.
There is no annual testing. You start in 4th or 5th grade and test every
other year.
We give the test at home, I sit with the child at the table and we go
through it together. I order it early so we have lots of time to work on
it. We use the California Achievement Test. The non-test years, I send a
few paragraphs about what the child has "learned", using the World Book of
Knowledge and the child's real interests.
A funny and true story: Homeschooling friends in our old district had
remodeled their kitchen, while cleaning up they found their quarterly
reports that should have been sent about a month ago. Mrs. B. called the
school to apologize. The school said," Oh, we thought you had sent them and
we had lost them!" Shows how much they care about the quarterlies.
HTH
Mary-NY
>From: Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Unschooling in NY
>Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:07:45 -0500
>
>
>
>I've just been redaing state laws for HS in NY.
>Not a pleasant experience...
>Detailed curriculum, they tell you what to teach in what grades, quarterly
>reports plus annual testing.
>Does anyone unschool in NY and how do they do it?
>
>We might have to move to Minnesota instead, or Colorado Springs.
>
>Shyrley
>
>
>
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In a message dated 12/24/02 4:20:51 PM, anne.lown1@... writes:
<< What is the web address for the World Book of Knowledge. >>
Maybe this site?
(Maybe not...)
http://www2.worldbook.com/parents/course_study_curr6.asp
<< What is the web address for the World Book of Knowledge. >>
Maybe this site?
(Maybe not...)
http://www2.worldbook.com/parents/course_study_curr6.asp
mary krzyzanowski
That's the right site.
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>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Unschooling in NY
>Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:00:10 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 12/24/02 4:20:51 PM, anne.lown1@... writes:
>
><< What is the web address for the World Book of Knowledge. >>
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>Maybe this site?
>(Maybe not...)
>
>http://www2.worldbook.com/parents/course_study_curr6.asp
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