Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Thumb sucking
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In a message dated 12/19/02 5:28:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mummyone24@... writes:
them right now. Ethan has a very bad protrusion ( buck teeth, which JP
calles "butt teeth.. just another grammatical error.. lol) They inherited
thier mouths from thier Dad, he had braces too. I am sure that the thumb
sucking is making it a lot worse..but, I figure the less of a deal I make
about it, the easier it will be for him to quit in his own... But, then I do
worry about the habit factor.. When should you start to intervene and help a
child break a habit? Same with the shirt chewing.. . Although, like I
said, he has improved with that since we started home schooling..
Teresa
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mummyone24@... writes:
> What IJP will def have to have braces.. But so will my other kids.. Anna is in
> worry about is my daughters teeth if she still sucks her thumb. The dentist
>
> tells me she needs to stop
them right now. Ethan has a very bad protrusion ( buck teeth, which JP
calles "butt teeth.. just another grammatical error.. lol) They inherited
thier mouths from thier Dad, he had braces too. I am sure that the thumb
sucking is making it a lot worse..but, I figure the less of a deal I make
about it, the easier it will be for him to quit in his own... But, then I do
worry about the habit factor.. When should you start to intervene and help a
child break a habit? Same with the shirt chewing.. . Although, like I
said, he has improved with that since we started home schooling..
Teresa
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In a message dated 12/19/02 4:24:34 PM, grlynbl@... writes:
<< I am sure that the thumb
sucking is making it a lot worse.. >>
I bet it's not.
There are lots of tales about teeth, and most seem total nonsense.
IF playing trumpet would make your teeth protrude, then people would be able
to pick trumpet players out of crowds. But it doesn't, and they don't. Yet
mothers will tell daughters they can't play brass instruments because their
teeth will protrude. (I guess they don't care if boys have protruding teeth.)
AND... if anything like playing an instrument or thumb-sucking COULD change
teeth, why on EARTH would there be braces for teeth? Surely orthodontists
could just give them something to put in their mouths to suck against or away
from or to hold here, or there, about as much time as one would suck a thumb
or play trumpet, and TaDAA!! It would be fixed.
There are traditional lies told for so long that people believe them because
their mothers were told by their grandmothers (or dentists, or neighbors)
like:
chocolate will stunt your growth
coffee is very bad for children
(chocolate and coffee are both expensive, and so sharing them with children
would be bad; plus once the tradition starts that ONLY adults can have them,
it makes kids have to wait, and adults wait for that privilege, and then
guard it jealously)
nursing babies will make your breasts sag when you're older
(some girls wear bras their whole lives thinking, mistakenly, that it will
keep their breasts from sagging in later years, because their moms told them
so--bras are not even an old article of clothing, so why would they think so?
Because before bras were invented, older women's breasts sagged. Huh!)
I hope you all know that nothing will cause hair to grow on the palms of your
boys' hands.
Sandra
<< I am sure that the thumb
sucking is making it a lot worse.. >>
I bet it's not.
There are lots of tales about teeth, and most seem total nonsense.
IF playing trumpet would make your teeth protrude, then people would be able
to pick trumpet players out of crowds. But it doesn't, and they don't. Yet
mothers will tell daughters they can't play brass instruments because their
teeth will protrude. (I guess they don't care if boys have protruding teeth.)
AND... if anything like playing an instrument or thumb-sucking COULD change
teeth, why on EARTH would there be braces for teeth? Surely orthodontists
could just give them something to put in their mouths to suck against or away
from or to hold here, or there, about as much time as one would suck a thumb
or play trumpet, and TaDAA!! It would be fixed.
There are traditional lies told for so long that people believe them because
their mothers were told by their grandmothers (or dentists, or neighbors)
like:
chocolate will stunt your growth
coffee is very bad for children
(chocolate and coffee are both expensive, and so sharing them with children
would be bad; plus once the tradition starts that ONLY adults can have them,
it makes kids have to wait, and adults wait for that privilege, and then
guard it jealously)
nursing babies will make your breasts sag when you're older
(some girls wear bras their whole lives thinking, mistakenly, that it will
keep their breasts from sagging in later years, because their moms told them
so--bras are not even an old article of clothing, so why would they think so?
Because before bras were invented, older women's breasts sagged. Huh!)
I hope you all know that nothing will cause hair to grow on the palms of your
boys' hands.
Sandra
kayb85 <[email protected]>
I had to quit playing the clarinet when I was in 6th grade because my
orthidontist said it was bad for my teeth. I had to switch to an
instrument that pushed teeth inward, so I picked trombone.
Sheila
orthidontist said it was bad for my teeth. I had to switch to an
instrument that pushed teeth inward, so I picked trombone.
Sheila
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/19/02 4:24:34 PM, grlynbl@a... writes:
>
> << I am sure that the thumb
> sucking is making it a lot worse.. >>
>
> I bet it's not.
>
> There are lots of tales about teeth, and most seem total
nonsense.
> IF playing trumpet would make your teeth protrude, then people
would be able
> to pick trumpet players out of crowds. But it doesn't, and they
don't. Yet
> mothers will tell daughters they can't play brass instruments
because their
> teeth will protrude. (I guess they don't care if boys have
protruding teeth.)
>
> AND... if anything like playing an instrument or thumb-sucking
COULD change
> teeth, why on EARTH would there be braces for teeth? Surely
orthodontists
> could just give them something to put in their mouths to suck
against or away
> from or to hold here, or there, about as much time as one would
suck a thumb
> or play trumpet, and TaDAA!! It would be fixed.
>
> There are traditional lies told for so long that people believe
them because
> their mothers were told by their grandmothers (or dentists, or
neighbors)
> like:
>
> chocolate will stunt your growth
> coffee is very bad for children
>
>
> (chocolate and coffee are both expensive, and so sharing them with
children
> would be bad; plus once the tradition starts that ONLY adults can
have them,
> it makes kids have to wait, and adults wait for that privilege, and
then
> guard it jealously)
>
> nursing babies will make your breasts sag when you're older
>
> (some girls wear bras their whole lives thinking, mistakenly, that
it will
> keep their breasts from sagging in later years, because their moms
told them
> so--bras are not even an old article of clothing, so why would they
think so?
> Because before bras were invented, older women's breasts sagged.
Huh!)
>
> I hope you all know that nothing will cause hair to grow on the
palms of your
> boys' hands.
>
> Sandra
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In a message dated 12/19/02 5:16:10 PM, sheran@... writes:
<< I had to quit playing the clarinet when I was in 6th grade because my
orthidontist said it was bad for my teeth. I had to switch to an
instrument that pushed teeth inward, so I picked trombone. >>
"Had to" is too strong to say about orthodontists' advice.
Trombone is of the same family damned for protrusion, you know...
<< I had to quit playing the clarinet when I was in 6th grade because my
orthidontist said it was bad for my teeth. I had to switch to an
instrument that pushed teeth inward, so I picked trombone. >>
"Had to" is too strong to say about orthodontists' advice.
Trombone is of the same family damned for protrusion, you know...
kayb85 <[email protected]>
I had to because my mom listened to the orthodontist's advice and I
didn't have a choice.
You mean people whose teeth are sticking out aren't "supposed to"
play the trombone either?
Sheila
didn't have a choice.
You mean people whose teeth are sticking out aren't "supposed to"
play the trombone either?
Sheila
> "Had to" is too strong to say about orthodontists' advice.
> Trombone is of the same family damned for protrusion, you know...
Tia Leschke
>I don't know why it would, though. It makes sense that playing clarinet
> << I had to quit playing the clarinet when I was in 6th grade because my
> orthidontist said it was bad for my teeth. I had to switch to an
> instrument that pushed teeth inward, so I picked trombone. >>
>
>
> "Had to" is too strong to say about orthodontists' advice.
> Trombone is of the same family damned for protrusion, you know...
would put outward pressure on the teeth, while playing a brass instrument
puts inward pressure on them. That's *if* it can really make a difference.
Tia
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In a message dated 12/19/02 6:54:48 PM, leschke@... writes:
<< It makes sense that playing clarinet
would put outward pressure on the teeth, while playing a brass instrument
puts inward pressure on them. That's *if* it can really make a difference. >>
But it doesn't make sense because none of the instruments put pressure on
teeth. Lips.
So all of it's goofy. Anyone biting a clarinet is playing it wrong anyway.
And again, HOW long have people played clarinets? 150 years? Brass
instruments somewhat longer, but no evidence of tooth deformation I've ever
seen. Just the concerns of mothers in the 1960's and thereabout.
Sandra
<< It makes sense that playing clarinet
would put outward pressure on the teeth, while playing a brass instrument
puts inward pressure on them. That's *if* it can really make a difference. >>
But it doesn't make sense because none of the instruments put pressure on
teeth. Lips.
So all of it's goofy. Anyone biting a clarinet is playing it wrong anyway.
And again, HOW long have people played clarinets? 150 years? Brass
instruments somewhat longer, but no evidence of tooth deformation I've ever
seen. Just the concerns of mothers in the 1960's and thereabout.
Sandra
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In a message dated 12/19/02 7:03:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
needs a tune-up, . you betcha it does.. And if you ask a chiropractic if you
need an adjustment, Of course you do. And, if you ask an orthodontist if
your kid needs braces. By all means, they need them... I guess for me,
whether or not his thumb sucking makes his teeth worse is a moot point.
Because, physically, my children have small mouths and not enough room for
thier teeth ( thanks to the genes of thier father.. lol) . You know I have
a BIG mouth ( EG) Anyway, whether he sucked his thumb or not, he will
most likely have to have braces. Ethan has the worse protusion of all of my
children and he never sucked his thumb and only had a pacifier til he was
about a year old. ( and he doesnt play the trumpet either.. lol)
Teresa
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> <<I am sure that the thumbSandra, you may be right. I do know that if you ask a mechanic if your car
> sucking is making it a lot worse.. >>
>
> I bet it's not.
>
needs a tune-up, . you betcha it does.. And if you ask a chiropractic if you
need an adjustment, Of course you do. And, if you ask an orthodontist if
your kid needs braces. By all means, they need them... I guess for me,
whether or not his thumb sucking makes his teeth worse is a moot point.
Because, physically, my children have small mouths and not enough room for
thier teeth ( thanks to the genes of thier father.. lol) . You know I have
a BIG mouth ( EG) Anyway, whether he sucked his thumb or not, he will
most likely have to have braces. Ethan has the worse protusion of all of my
children and he never sucked his thumb and only had a pacifier til he was
about a year old. ( and he doesnt play the trumpet either.. lol)
Teresa
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In a message dated 12/19/02 7:03:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
There are traditional lies told for so long that people believe them because
their mothers were told by their grandmothers (or dentists, or neighbors)
like:
chocolate will stunt your growth
coffee is very bad for children
I missed this line in your post.. JP has drank coffee since he was about
2.. BLACK, of all things!. I do agree about all the old wives tales.. Some
of them are downright ridiculous. One that we like to laugh at from around
here is that animals draw lightening.( attract, for the less countryfied
folks.) ..OMG dont stand near an animal during a thunder storm!!.. LOL...
Teresa
From the Country
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SandraDodd@... writes:
There are traditional lies told for so long that people believe them because
their mothers were told by their grandmothers (or dentists, or neighbors)
like:
chocolate will stunt your growth
coffee is very bad for children
I missed this line in your post.. JP has drank coffee since he was about
2.. BLACK, of all things!. I do agree about all the old wives tales.. Some
of them are downright ridiculous. One that we like to laugh at from around
here is that animals draw lightening.( attract, for the less countryfied
folks.) ..OMG dont stand near an animal during a thunder storm!!.. LOL...
Teresa
From the Country
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In a message dated 12/19/02 9:04:07 PM, grlynbl@... writes:
<< Ethan has the worse protusion of all of my
children and he never sucked his thumb and only had a pacifier til he was
about a year old. ( and he doesnt play the trumpet either.. lol) >>
Kirby had cavities. The dentist said it was because of nursing.
I told him I didn't think it was.
Marty didn't have cavities. His teeth look like Keith's family's teeth.
Holly had cavities. Her teeth look like my family's teeth. Poor thing for
getting genetics that way...
I had asked Kirby's dentist if he had read the Canadian study on cavities
being a bacterial contagion passed from mother to child from sharing food,
and he said never heard of it (in that *special* tone of voice that means "if
I haven't heard of it it doesn't exist").
I figure ten or twenty years from now that will be "common knowledge"
(whatever they decide or discover about it), but now it's official
non-information.
Nothing much to be done about guessing what will kill us. Wood smoke?
Electricity? Computer monitors? Tea with sugar? Auto emissions?
Rock'n'roll? They'll have to elbow each other out of the way and race to
kill me.
I'm pretty sure that worrying about death or about the ill effects of various
band instruments are quicker roads to stress and unhappiness than happily
drinking tea and watching the comment track of Good Will Hunting with an
electric heater warming up my feet. At least I hope so! <bwg>
Sandra
<< Ethan has the worse protusion of all of my
children and he never sucked his thumb and only had a pacifier til he was
about a year old. ( and he doesnt play the trumpet either.. lol) >>
Kirby had cavities. The dentist said it was because of nursing.
I told him I didn't think it was.
Marty didn't have cavities. His teeth look like Keith's family's teeth.
Holly had cavities. Her teeth look like my family's teeth. Poor thing for
getting genetics that way...
I had asked Kirby's dentist if he had read the Canadian study on cavities
being a bacterial contagion passed from mother to child from sharing food,
and he said never heard of it (in that *special* tone of voice that means "if
I haven't heard of it it doesn't exist").
I figure ten or twenty years from now that will be "common knowledge"
(whatever they decide or discover about it), but now it's official
non-information.
Nothing much to be done about guessing what will kill us. Wood smoke?
Electricity? Computer monitors? Tea with sugar? Auto emissions?
Rock'n'roll? They'll have to elbow each other out of the way and race to
kill me.
I'm pretty sure that worrying about death or about the ill effects of various
band instruments are quicker roads to stress and unhappiness than happily
drinking tea and watching the comment track of Good Will Hunting with an
electric heater warming up my feet. At least I hope so! <bwg>
Sandra
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In a message dated 12/19/02 9:07:11 PM, grlynbl@... writes:
<< One that we like to laugh at from around
here is that animals draw lightening.( attract, for the less countryfied
folks.) ..OMG dont stand near an animal during a thunder storm!!.. LOL... >>
I'll tell you one way my mother ensured that I grew up alive:
She said some people were deathly allergic to fish and milk together, so
whenever we had fish we NEVER had milk.
About a year into eating my favorite and habitual out'n'about meal in high
school I realized I WAS RISKING MY LIFE. It had not occurred to me ONCE
that Tastee Freez's fish sandwich and a milk shake constituted the
potentially deadly combination.
I lived!!
Sandra
<< One that we like to laugh at from around
here is that animals draw lightening.( attract, for the less countryfied
folks.) ..OMG dont stand near an animal during a thunder storm!!.. LOL... >>
I'll tell you one way my mother ensured that I grew up alive:
She said some people were deathly allergic to fish and milk together, so
whenever we had fish we NEVER had milk.
About a year into eating my favorite and habitual out'n'about meal in high
school I realized I WAS RISKING MY LIFE. It had not occurred to me ONCE
that Tastee Freez's fish sandwich and a milk shake constituted the
potentially deadly combination.
I lived!!
Sandra
Stephanie Elms
> I had to quit playing the clarinet when I was in 6th grade because myLOL! I played clarinet for 13 years and never had any problem with my teeth (I did have
> orthidontist said it was bad for my teeth. I had to switch to an
> instrument that pushed teeth inward, so I picked trombone.
> Sheila
braces on the bottom 4 teeth to straighten them but that had nothing to do with
my playing LOL!)
Stephanie E.
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>
>I bet it's not.
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>There are lots of tales about teeth, and most seem total nonsense.
>
Children have been sucking their thumbs for centuries.
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>anyway.
> But it doesn't make sense because none of the instruments put pressure on
> teeth. Lips.
> So all of it's goofy. Anyone biting a clarinet is playing it wrong
From what I remember about playing the clarinet, there's on the teeth by the
clarinet, from the way it's held. But it's been a long time.
Tia
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is making it a lot worse.. >>
Children have been sucking their thumbs for centuries.
I agree too. I have an overjet. My bite is exactly the same as my dad's and my grandfather's. Everytime I hear a dentist say something to me about thumbsucking, I have to explain all of that. What a bunch of hooey.
Oh, and the other one is "TMJ". I know TMJ exists. But they cite every reason under the sun to push orthodontics "to prevent TMJ". Well guess what, except for my overjet, my bite is totally normal. And I have TMJ.
And my daughter who sucked her thumb until age 9, has an overjet as well, but not nearly like mine. Not the same shape..her bottom teeth are unaffected. And STILL the dentist has not sent her to the orthodontist for a consult (she WANTS braces).
I figure, I've got some time between my son, and her. I'm getting MY teeth fixed now!!
Just rambling on..
Kristen
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>I agree. I've heard many times dentists blame cavities on breastfeeding!
>I bet it's not.
>
>There are lots of tales about teeth, and most seem total nonsense.
>
Children have been sucking their thumbs for centuries.
I agree too. I have an overjet. My bite is exactly the same as my dad's and my grandfather's. Everytime I hear a dentist say something to me about thumbsucking, I have to explain all of that. What a bunch of hooey.
Oh, and the other one is "TMJ". I know TMJ exists. But they cite every reason under the sun to push orthodontics "to prevent TMJ". Well guess what, except for my overjet, my bite is totally normal. And I have TMJ.
And my daughter who sucked her thumb until age 9, has an overjet as well, but not nearly like mine. Not the same shape..her bottom teeth are unaffected. And STILL the dentist has not sent her to the orthodontist for a consult (she WANTS braces).
I figure, I've got some time between my son, and her. I'm getting MY teeth fixed now!!
Just rambling on..
Kristen
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Mary Bianco
>From: SandraDodd@...Well I never hear the stuff about teeth and instrument playing. I'm just not
>There are lots of tales about teeth, and most seem total nonsense.>>
so sure that sucking doesn't make problems in some later on. I know of
people who have children that used pacifiers or thumbs or what have you and
have great teeth. Some kids never sucked a thing and need braces. I'm just
wondering if my kids could have problems anyway, why make it worse?
I do believe that constant sucking can change the shape of the mouth and
teeth just like tongue thrust can too. It stands to reason something with
that much force that often would do that. I'm talking out loud here. Like I
said, I'm still on the fence. Still wondering about this thumb sucking stuff
you paint on too. I was the one that brought it up but my daughter was the
one that told me to get her some. Then again, that's probably coming from me
too.
Fence post Mary B
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pookiesugarplumb <[email protected]
Just wanted to come out of the closet & say that I was a thumb
sucker!!!
I sucked my thumb until I was 16. I did so every night to put myself
to sleep. I also would suck my thumb while relaxing & watching tv
or reading a book. But I did so in the privacy of my own home for I
soon learnt that thumb sucking beyond a certain age was not socailly
acceptable. That I was considered & called "a baby" by "outsiders".
My family were accepting of my thumb sucking.
I guess the reason I sucked my thumb was for comfort. And I really
did feel relaxed when I was sucking. I was not breast fed so I often
wondered had I been would I not have sucked my thumb. But I don't
think so. Babies suck their thumb in the womb so I don't think it has
to do with being breast fed or not.
I also had to have braces when I was 16 which is what initiated my
stopping thumb sucking. From the day my braces went on I went cold
turkey. Sometimes without thinking my thumb would automatically go in
but once I had made my mind up not to suck I could go thumb free.
The problem with my protruding & criss crossed teeth was not because
of my thumb sucking at all. It was that my mouth was too small to
hold all my teeth. With having no room in my mouth my teeth protruded
for somewhere to go. (I also did not play a wind instrument of any
sort :) )
I still miss it though & I'm almost 40!. I miss that truly peaceful &
content feeling I had while I was thumb sucking. I guess I could
always comfort & soothe myself with it. Now I have to find other ways
or other people to do so .
Pookie
sucker!!!
I sucked my thumb until I was 16. I did so every night to put myself
to sleep. I also would suck my thumb while relaxing & watching tv
or reading a book. But I did so in the privacy of my own home for I
soon learnt that thumb sucking beyond a certain age was not socailly
acceptable. That I was considered & called "a baby" by "outsiders".
My family were accepting of my thumb sucking.
I guess the reason I sucked my thumb was for comfort. And I really
did feel relaxed when I was sucking. I was not breast fed so I often
wondered had I been would I not have sucked my thumb. But I don't
think so. Babies suck their thumb in the womb so I don't think it has
to do with being breast fed or not.
I also had to have braces when I was 16 which is what initiated my
stopping thumb sucking. From the day my braces went on I went cold
turkey. Sometimes without thinking my thumb would automatically go in
but once I had made my mind up not to suck I could go thumb free.
The problem with my protruding & criss crossed teeth was not because
of my thumb sucking at all. It was that my mouth was too small to
hold all my teeth. With having no room in my mouth my teeth protruded
for somewhere to go. (I also did not play a wind instrument of any
sort :) )
I still miss it though & I'm almost 40!. I miss that truly peaceful &
content feeling I had while I was thumb sucking. I guess I could
always comfort & soothe myself with it. Now I have to find other ways
or other people to do so .
Pookie
Fetteroll
on 12/19/02 11:04 PM, grlynbl@... at grlynbl@... wrote:
lightening all the time. And drawn a conclusion from it. It's just a wrong
conclusion. It's not being an animal that causes it, it's just being too
dumb not to be the bump in the middle of an open area that causes it. ;-)
Joyce
> One that we like to laugh at from aroundScientific method at work. They've made an observation: cows get struck by
> here is that animals draw lightening.( attract, for the less countryfied
> folks.) ..OMG dont stand near an animal during a thunder storm!!..
lightening all the time. And drawn a conclusion from it. It's just a wrong
conclusion. It's not being an animal that causes it, it's just being too
dumb not to be the bump in the middle of an open area that causes it. ;-)
Joyce
[email protected]
I said
I'm pretty sure that worrying about death or about the ill effects of various
band instruments are quicker roads to stress and unhappiness than happily
drinking tea and watching the comment track of Good Will Hunting with an
electric heater warming up my feet. At least I hope so! <bwg>
_________
Im not sure, but I think my comment about Ethan playing the trumpet was
misunderstood. I was making a joke, that Ethan has protruding teeth, and its
not because he plays the trumpet. Not that I dont allow him to play the
trumpet because it will make his teeth protrude. Maybe that last paragraph
was just a general statement, but I wanted to clarify that I am not "one of
those people" that it pertains to. This is one area where we do agree...a
lot of advice and warnings that folks ( esp "professionals") offer is not
really valid or based on any truths.
Teresa
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> <<Ethan has the worse protusion of all of mySandra said ( along with some other stuff that I already agreed with)
> children and he never sucked his thumb and only had a pacifier til he was
> about a year old. ( and he doesnt play the trumpet either.. lol)
I'm pretty sure that worrying about death or about the ill effects of various
band instruments are quicker roads to stress and unhappiness than happily
drinking tea and watching the comment track of Good Will Hunting with an
electric heater warming up my feet. At least I hope so! <bwg>
_________
Im not sure, but I think my comment about Ethan playing the trumpet was
misunderstood. I was making a joke, that Ethan has protruding teeth, and its
not because he plays the trumpet. Not that I dont allow him to play the
trumpet because it will make his teeth protrude. Maybe that last paragraph
was just a general statement, but I wanted to clarify that I am not "one of
those people" that it pertains to. This is one area where we do agree...a
lot of advice and warnings that folks ( esp "professionals") offer is not
really valid or based on any truths.
Teresa
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/20/02 6:08:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fetteroll@... writes:
into some sort of twisted perception of what is REALLY going on. I wonder
what started, " you have to wait an hour to swim after eating"
Teresa
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fetteroll@... writes:
> Scientific method at work. They've made an observation: cows get struck byEXACTLY.! Which is how most "wives tales" come to be. An observation turns
> lightening all the time. And drawn a conclusion from it. It's just a wrong
> conclusion. It's not being an animal that causes it, it's just being too
> dumb not to be the bump in the middle of an open area that causes it. ;-)
>
> Joyce
>
>
>
into some sort of twisted perception of what is REALLY going on. I wonder
what started, " you have to wait an hour to swim after eating"
Teresa
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 10:10:30 PM, leschke@... writes:
<< From what I remember about playing the clarinet, there's on the teeth by
the
clarinet, from the way it's held. But it's been a long time. >>
Well I didn't bite *MINE.*
I know some people hole it that way, but it's not necessary. I've seen
clarinets with teethmarks on the mouthpiece, and many more without.
But now I play recorder and those hardly get touched. After salivating to
play clarinet for years it was hard at first to remember "swallow!" I was
all Pavolviated, as soon as a mouthpiece was coming toward my mouth, I'd
juice up, and had to unlearn that. The drier the better with recorders, and
you tongue softly to the alveolar ridge (top of the mouth, behind the top
front teeth), and NOT onto the recorder. And you nearly just breathe,
instead of totally BLOWing.
I tried to play a clarinet a couple of years ago. Even went and got a soft
reed to make it easier, and couldn't do a thing. I remembered fingerings,
but couldn't "vocalize," as they say.
Recorder playing leaves your teeth just as crooked or as straight as they
ever would have been. I'm pretty sure trumpets and all else do the same.
Sandra
<< From what I remember about playing the clarinet, there's on the teeth by
the
clarinet, from the way it's held. But it's been a long time. >>
Well I didn't bite *MINE.*
I know some people hole it that way, but it's not necessary. I've seen
clarinets with teethmarks on the mouthpiece, and many more without.
But now I play recorder and those hardly get touched. After salivating to
play clarinet for years it was hard at first to remember "swallow!" I was
all Pavolviated, as soon as a mouthpiece was coming toward my mouth, I'd
juice up, and had to unlearn that. The drier the better with recorders, and
you tongue softly to the alveolar ridge (top of the mouth, behind the top
front teeth), and NOT onto the recorder. And you nearly just breathe,
instead of totally BLOWing.
I tried to play a clarinet a couple of years ago. Even went and got a soft
reed to make it easier, and couldn't do a thing. I remembered fingerings,
but couldn't "vocalize," as they say.
Recorder playing leaves your teeth just as crooked or as straight as they
ever would have been. I'm pretty sure trumpets and all else do the same.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/20/02 7:11:20 AM, grlynbl@... writes:
<< Which is how most "wives tales" come to be. An observation turns
into some sort of twisted perception of what is REALLY going on. I wonder
what started, " you have to wait an hour to swim after eating"
Adults like to eat slowly and sit around, and for years there was the
tradition of drinks or cigars after, and adults like to talk and "let their
meals settle." So the kids, who were done and wanted to swim before the
adults had even finished eating had to have a boogey man to keep them out of
the water, since the adults were unwilling to go and life-guard them. So
they told them "You might get a cramp and die."
Sandra
<< Which is how most "wives tales" come to be. An observation turns
into some sort of twisted perception of what is REALLY going on. I wonder
what started, " you have to wait an hour to swim after eating"
>>I have a good guess.
Adults like to eat slowly and sit around, and for years there was the
tradition of drinks or cigars after, and adults like to talk and "let their
meals settle." So the kids, who were done and wanted to swim before the
adults had even finished eating had to have a boogey man to keep them out of
the water, since the adults were unwilling to go and life-guard them. So
they told them "You might get a cramp and die."
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 11:34:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
but it showed that breastfeeding actually helped in the reduction of
cavities. In talking with my dentist about my teeth and my sons he believes
that genetics plays a large role. The way your teeth are formed is genetic.
I have two sons one has no cavities (8yo) one had 2-none since he was about 2
yo (5 1/2 yo) my oldest weaned from breastfeeding the day before he turned 5
and the other is still breastfeeding. That also ties in with the need to
suck, my youngest nurses to go to sleep. Seems to need that to fall asleep.
Pam G.
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Kirby had cavities. The dentist said it was because of nursing.There was reasearch done on this issue, sorry I can't remember the name etc,
> I told him I didn't think it was.
>
>
but it showed that breastfeeding actually helped in the reduction of
cavities. In talking with my dentist about my teeth and my sons he believes
that genetics plays a large role. The way your teeth are formed is genetic.
I have two sons one has no cavities (8yo) one had 2-none since he was about 2
yo (5 1/2 yo) my oldest weaned from breastfeeding the day before he turned 5
and the other is still breastfeeding. That also ties in with the need to
suck, my youngest nurses to go to sleep. Seems to need that to fall asleep.
Pam G.
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Rachel Ann
I don't know if I agree about the origins of the myth as children in the
past, by that I mean two or three generations ago, were much less supervised
than today. I have a feeling that in the past if you could swim you went
swimming and mom didn't hang around as much as mom's hang around now or even
when I was a child. Local swimming hole and all that....Mom and dad weren't
there.
I think the myth conflated two events; cramps that sometimes occurred while
swimming and cramps that could come from eating.
be well,
Rachel Ann
-------Original Message-------
From: [email protected]
Date: Friday, December 20, 2002 09:36:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Thumb sucking
In a message dated 12/20/02 7:11:20 AM, grlynbl@... writes:
<< Which is how most "wives tales" come to be. An observation turns
into some sort of twisted perception of what is REALLY going on. I wonder
what started, " you have to wait an hour to swim after eating"
Adults like to eat slowly and sit around, and for years there was the
tradition of drinks or cigars after, and adults like to talk and "let their
meals settle." So the kids, who were done and wanted to swim before the
adults had even finished eating had to have a boogey man to keep them out of
the water, since the adults were unwilling to go and life-guard them. So
they told them "You might get a cramp and die."
Sandra
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past, by that I mean two or three generations ago, were much less supervised
than today. I have a feeling that in the past if you could swim you went
swimming and mom didn't hang around as much as mom's hang around now or even
when I was a child. Local swimming hole and all that....Mom and dad weren't
there.
I think the myth conflated two events; cramps that sometimes occurred while
swimming and cramps that could come from eating.
be well,
Rachel Ann
-------Original Message-------
From: [email protected]
Date: Friday, December 20, 2002 09:36:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Thumb sucking
In a message dated 12/20/02 7:11:20 AM, grlynbl@... writes:
<< Which is how most "wives tales" come to be. An observation turns
into some sort of twisted perception of what is REALLY going on. I wonder
what started, " you have to wait an hour to swim after eating"
>>I have a good guess.
Adults like to eat slowly and sit around, and for years there was the
tradition of drinks or cigars after, and adults like to talk and "let their
meals settle." So the kids, who were done and wanted to swim before the
adults had even finished eating had to have a boogey man to keep them out of
the water, since the adults were unwilling to go and life-guard them. So
they told them "You might get a cramp and die."
Sandra
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In a message dated 12/20/02 12:16:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
litlrooh@... writes:
and many dentists just lump the two together. If formula feeding at night can
lead to cavities then breastfeeling must also. And with breastfeeding I have
found with many healthcare professional, if you don't understand it just
blame it. Mom has a fever "oh my, we must stop the breastfeeding". Instead
of learning more about it they tend to want to stop it and change to
something they can control and see like formula feeding.
Pam G.
NICU nurse, Lamaze instructor and Lactation consultant in a former life LOL.
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litlrooh@... writes:
> I've heard many times dentists blame cavities on breastfeeding!Also the sucking mechanism for breastfeeding is so different from the bottle
>
and many dentists just lump the two together. If formula feeding at night can
lead to cavities then breastfeeling must also. And with breastfeeding I have
found with many healthcare professional, if you don't understand it just
blame it. Mom has a fever "oh my, we must stop the breastfeeding". Instead
of learning more about it they tend to want to stop it and change to
something they can control and see like formula feeding.
Pam G.
NICU nurse, Lamaze instructor and Lactation consultant in a former life LOL.
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Shyrley
On 20 Dec 02, at 5:58, Mary Bianco wrote:
obsession with perfect straight teeth. Some kids have braces in
the UK (I did) but there isn't an obsession to the extent that I'm
discovering here.
I've even had the kids dentist suggest I come to him for cosmetic
dentistry! I had my teeth straightened but its not perfect and I don't
really care. Certainly not enough to spend thousands of dollars on
that perfect smile. He was shocked to the teeth (perfect straight n
white) that I didn't really care about what my teeth looked like as
long as they were healthy.
I also see people going without to save up for the orthodontic work
needed to be a perfect person.
Shyrley the bewildered
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> Well I never hear the stuff about teeth and instrument playing. I'mI'm beginning to think most of these stories come from this
> just not so sure that sucking doesn't make problems in some later on.
> I know of people who have children that used pacifiers or thumbs or
> what have you and have great teeth. Some kids never sucked a thing and
> need braces. I'm just wondering if my kids could have problems anyway,
> why make it worse?
>
obsession with perfect straight teeth. Some kids have braces in
the UK (I did) but there isn't an obsession to the extent that I'm
discovering here.
I've even had the kids dentist suggest I come to him for cosmetic
dentistry! I had my teeth straightened but its not perfect and I don't
really care. Certainly not enough to spend thousands of dollars on
that perfect smile. He was shocked to the teeth (perfect straight n
white) that I didn't really care about what my teeth looked like as
long as they were healthy.
I also see people going without to save up for the orthodontic work
needed to be a perfect person.
Shyrley the bewildered
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
Have a Nice Day!
Oh....well, my son had a large overbite. Othewise his teeth are straight.
The only reason I went to the orthodontist was that I wanted to correct his bite, an orthopedic problem that would require jaw surgery later if he decided he wanted it fixed.
My son wasn't too keen on orthodontics but tolerated it.
Then they wanted to move into "phase 2" with braces and such. (Phase 2 for him would mean closing the spaces in the back so that the teeth don't shift back into their original position).
Well Ant doesn't take good enough care of his teeth to slap braces on there. Braces will mark up your teeth if you don't take care of them. PLUS it makes it harder to floss.
My alternative? Put a retainer in there until Ant decides he is ready to pursue "phase2" on his own. By that time, he can use invisalign. No marks, and easy to care for the teeth.
That is what I"m doing. I get my aligners end of January. And the only reason *I'm* fixing my teeth is because the bottom ones are hitting the backs of the top ones and causing them to protrude even more than before.
I told the orthodontist from the beginning in both our cases that I don't care about cosmetics, I care about functionality
Kristen
The only reason I went to the orthodontist was that I wanted to correct his bite, an orthopedic problem that would require jaw surgery later if he decided he wanted it fixed.
My son wasn't too keen on orthodontics but tolerated it.
Then they wanted to move into "phase 2" with braces and such. (Phase 2 for him would mean closing the spaces in the back so that the teeth don't shift back into their original position).
Well Ant doesn't take good enough care of his teeth to slap braces on there. Braces will mark up your teeth if you don't take care of them. PLUS it makes it harder to floss.
My alternative? Put a retainer in there until Ant decides he is ready to pursue "phase2" on his own. By that time, he can use invisalign. No marks, and easy to care for the teeth.
That is what I"m doing. I get my aligners end of January. And the only reason *I'm* fixing my teeth is because the bottom ones are hitting the backs of the top ones and causing them to protrude even more than before.
I told the orthodontist from the beginning in both our cases that I don't care about cosmetics, I care about functionality
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: Shyrley
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Thumb sucking
On 20 Dec 02, at 5:58, Mary Bianco wrote:
> Well I never hear the stuff about teeth and instrument playing. I'm
> just not so sure that sucking doesn't make problems in some later on.
> I know of people who have children that used pacifiers or thumbs or
> what have you and have great teeth. Some kids never sucked a thing and
> need braces. I'm just wondering if my kids could have problems anyway,
> why make it worse?
>
I'm beginning to think most of these stories come from this
obsession with perfect straight teeth. Some kids have braces in
the UK (I did) but there isn't an obsession to the extent that I'm
discovering here.
I've even had the kids dentist suggest I come to him for cosmetic
dentistry! I had my teeth straightened but its not perfect and I don't
really care. Certainly not enough to spend thousands of dollars on
that perfect smile. He was shocked to the teeth (perfect straight n
white) that I didn't really care about what my teeth looked like as
long as they were healthy.
I also see people going without to save up for the orthodontic work
needed to be a perfect person.
Shyrley the bewildered
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
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Shyrley
Can anyone give me the addy of any web sites that offer those free
page builders?
My son wants to build a simple web site and I know there's places
you can do it online but can't remeber where they are.
Ta muchly
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
page builders?
My son wants to build a simple web site and I know there's places
you can do it online but can't remeber where they are.
Ta muchly
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/20/02 8:34:07 AM, hindar@... writes:
<< I think the myth conflated two events; cramps that sometimes occurred while
swimming and cramps that could come from eating. >>
That's a better theory. Or maybe the germ of the excuse the drinking,
smoking parents used.
Swimming itself is a recently new pastime. (Thinking over a thousand year
progression of culture.)
Sandra
<< I think the myth conflated two events; cramps that sometimes occurred while
swimming and cramps that could come from eating. >>
That's a better theory. Or maybe the germ of the excuse the drinking,
smoking parents used.
Swimming itself is a recently new pastime. (Thinking over a thousand year
progression of culture.)
Sandra
Liza Sabater
Well, Yahoo! has something like that with Geocities. Lycos has
Tripod. The question is, what is he using it for? If he wants to
create a blog, he may want to just head to http:www.blogger.com. The
difference between using a blogging services as opposed to one of
those evil free sites offered by Yahoo! or Lycos is that, well, they
are evil.
Tripod is notorious for their unending slamming of advertisements
with pop-up windows. Yahoo! does not give you too much space on a web
page with all those banner ads so you will need more than one page.
They also have those nasty pop-ups. Blogger, on the other hand, only
adds a link to their site. That is the height of their ad flurry.
Oh! I forgot, if you are a Mac user, you may want to check what they
have at http://www.apple.com They do have fabulous templates.
Hope this helps.
At 10:48 AM -0500 12/20/02, Shyrley wrote:
Tripod. The question is, what is he using it for? If he wants to
create a blog, he may want to just head to http:www.blogger.com. The
difference between using a blogging services as opposed to one of
those evil free sites offered by Yahoo! or Lycos is that, well, they
are evil.
Tripod is notorious for their unending slamming of advertisements
with pop-up windows. Yahoo! does not give you too much space on a web
page with all those banner ads so you will need more than one page.
They also have those nasty pop-ups. Blogger, on the other hand, only
adds a link to their site. That is the height of their ad flurry.
Oh! I forgot, if you are a Mac user, you may want to check what they
have at http://www.apple.com They do have fabulous templates.
Hope this helps.
At 10:48 AM -0500 12/20/02, Shyrley wrote:
>Can anyone give me the addy of any web sites that offer those free[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>page builders?
>My son wants to build a simple web site and I know there's places
>you can do it online but can't remeber where they are.
>
>Ta muchly
>
>Shyrley
>